Newbie 2066: Gelato 2 -- End!

[GuyInFreezer]

Hoi ppl
What’s your favorite gelato flavor?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm a fan of raspberry. You?

Pistachio

[GuyInFreezer]

Pretty sure sang is joking/baiting scum.

Then where's your vote at

VOTE: Roden

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah but that doesn't answer why you're still voting that guy instead of the dude who you think is scum a page ago.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

I think I can solve this in 5 days.

[GuyInFreezer]

btw I have both T3 and rockhopper as town

[GuyInFreezer]

But it's like some 4D chess shit so I can't really explain atm

[GuyInFreezer]

I especially don't trust anyone who specifically town reads you so early into the game

The earliest I've hard townread someone ever as town was post 4 I believe.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also not really a V/LA but I won't be around much tomorrow. With that said this game is really slow tbh

[GuyInFreezer]

I hope you’re not townreading me just for townreading you lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Sry, you guys deserve better. I should have marked myself VLA over the weekend. Some weeks are better than others, but last week end was really busy. But I'm here now on the weekdays!

Btw I have no excuses.
One liners will be all y’all get from me unless I feel a big need to post longer which is basically almost never.
Why drag it out in paragraphs when I can say two lines to say what I need amirite

With that said now I have pretty strong 5 townreads. I can prob really solve this in 4 days.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, how in the world do you get five strong townreads in six pages?!?!?!? This feels like 100% coast material, like what Roden said.

I’m just that good

[GuyInFreezer]

Also yes I’m defo coasting after declaring that I’m solving the game in 5 days and announced that I only have 3 ppl to sort.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I wanted to announce it now I would’ve already.
I did announce two of them though.

[GuyInFreezer]

There is a reason I’m playing like how I am atm

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually you know what this game is easy enough

T3
Rockhopper
Jumble
Roden
Sang


G

A

P


Clasko
Vax
Johnny

Town to scum

Some reads are mostly reliant on aforementioned 4d chess thing.
Even If I’m wrong on that chess it wouldn’t change much though.

[GuyInFreezer]

It’s gonna be anticlimactic af when I end up voting Johnny 3 days later, who haven’t posted a single post lmao

[GuyInFreezer]

Clasko???

Posts may look decent but if you actually look at it the reads are really just following the flow of the game.

[GuyInFreezer]

I feel you're playing slightly safe and non-committal due to not explaining your reads

I play like this every game actually regardless of alignment because I'm lazy af

[GuyInFreezer]

Clasko???

Posts may look decent but if you actually look at it the reads are really just following the flow of the game.

Not really? His first reads list placed Sang in town which was going against general opinion at the time, I think. But at the same time I kind of understand it too - 130 and 200 were a bit of an echo. That being said, he added some of his own thoughts too, so that shouldn't count against him.

I don’t mean read wise.
Let me put it this way. He’s only pushing people he thinks he can push while remaining fence on pretty much all the reads. Like by post 130 for an example, it’s really easy to get a feel by then that Roden and sang will be hard to push. So he just sorts them as town. The rest however looks like a fair game so he goes “hmmm I’m not sure they could be scum they could be not” etc. Especially his read on Jumble. He had him as scummiest and yet his following post looks appeasy for ?????

[GuyInFreezer]

Overall his stances are weak and wishy washy and I feel like he is structuring his read based on how the game feels.
Now I’ve seen town do this too so Clasko town doing this is not completely out of the scope, but considering how strongly I’m townreading others I’m content to keep his place where he is.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I think I said yesterday that some reads are reliant on the 4D chess.
I no longer think I need to rely on that to townread them.

[GuyInFreezer]

Locktown (Outside of a cop guilty etc etc)
Jumble, Rockhopper, T3, sang, Roden

The rest
Clasko, Vax, Johnny

[GuyInFreezer]

Because I've seen enough.

[GuyInFreezer]

disconcerting how GIF doesnt have me as lock town.

disconcerting how you can totally perform better than this as town

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, if you're really this confident in your reads, aren't you worried about getting NK'd tonight?

My goal is to be nightkilled N1 regardless of whether I have PR or not. I wear N1 death as a badge of honor.

My issue is that you need to make a compelling case if youre actually spot on here. I don't really buy into your read on Clasko, and I could be convinced on your other two scum reads but I have no idea why you're scum reading them yet. If the scum is any of those three, I don't currently see any way we could get five votes on any them.

That kind of thing doesn’t work on me because I’m not “scum”hunting. If it wasn’t obvious yet, I look for the strongest townreads and move downwards. So no, I will never really have the “case” unless the scum is playing so godawful that I was compelled to point it out. So really all I say re: vax and Johnny is... Well, do you think they’re more town than any other players in this game?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I’m not really pressuring Johnny atm. There is no point when the dude is in vla and I could spend my time on better place. All I said was “I might end up voting that man” and that’s it.

[GuyInFreezer]

He's adding his own comments and the counter pressure on GIF seems appropriate.

I’d do the same thing if I was a scum in that situation too btw
This lulz one-liner who is deliberately not giving out content comes out all of the sudden to scumread me when literally no one was. I’d go after his ass 100%.

[GuyInFreezer]

If that was for your scum PT I have a very news for you my good sir

[GuyInFreezer]

very

BAD

news even

[GuyInFreezer]

In case people ask me why I’m not voting anyone yet I’m simply waiting on Johnny to post. I do want to D1 solve for flex points if possible.

[GuyInFreezer]

Since people aren’t having qualms about Roden/sang/T3 being town let’s see why Rock and Jumble is town.

If anyone isn’t convinced that Rock is town yet, just see how he was under pressure for pretty much 80% of the game so far and see how he gave 0 fuck and went on his way on trying to figure out the game. Like it’s really hard to do that as scum (because scum needs to live and they know how painful it is to be lynched D1) and unless someone tells me that Rockhopper is actually a god tier scum player I’m just gonna call him town for that alone.

Also

What kind of scum strongly townreads 5 newbies like that lol
GIF's town prolly.

This is like
99.99% town reaction.
And no it’s not because he called me town. That’s like an icing on a cake and I know better than to bias my reads based on what they’re calling me. He could’ve said Vax in there instead of my name and I would still have a same reaction. Yes it’s a naive view on things on his part. But naivety is a really strong town trait. Scum do not want to randomly call someone town for simple reasons because they want their mislynch options open. This is also why I’m not townreading Clasko. His overly fence sitting post I mentioned earlier falls into this category.

Now Jumble. Now he’s a funny case to read because he admitted that he doesn’t not respond well to pressure and is self-conscious. That means I need to rule this off from being alignment-indicative.
> Subtle/direct attempt at redirection of pressure from himself

With that said, assuming that I believe his story that he’s really new at the game, he has a solid on Radon and somewhat solid reads on Clasko and Vax (which I do not agree but let’s chalk that as him being new). Basically, he looks like he’s trying his best.

“Now wait a whole damn minute GIF ya mean to tell me ya townread him for simply trying???”

Well there are some elements of my gut reads and whatnot but if I tell you that I’m townreading him because gut I’m suuuure that’s gonna be some solid case amirite. But yeah back on the topic. He is trying, he is forming his reads regardless of how bad they actually are, and he is standing by those reads.

Conviction. Unlike Clasko. Actually trying. Unlike Vax.

If you need more than this, then consider this. Remember that he is self conscious. For a self conscious player he does like probing and prodding, no? If he’s new, self conscious, and scum, let me tell you that he basically won’t be playing like this. He will most likely play super passive and appeasing because he wouldn’t want to be caught in a conflict and getting negative attention.

So yeah. His play is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuuuuuuuck
Staying up at 3 PM making a post in mafiascum dot net
I did not miss this at all

[GuyInFreezer]

3 AM even

[GuyInFreezer]

Hello new players!

I

VOTE: clasko?

Am

VOTE: sang froid

Fresh meat!

Absolutely

I really need to hear more from GIF and Jumble too.

Sorry for bringing up this so early in the game, but I just don't respond well to pressure. I've been trying to fix this for a while now, and really the only way that's going to happen if I just keep posting. But my reading ability is basically non-existent! What am I supposed to do then?

What happens when you get pressure? Do you break, or just drop out?

Baffled

I really need to hear more from GIF and Jumble too.

I'll reiterate by adding Clasko and Vax to this list. Minimal posts from both but especially Vax. Vax has only posted three times, and two of them were just naked votes.

Man, are there really only four of us actively playing right now?

Sry, you guys deserve better. I should have marked myself VLA over the weekend. Some weeks are better than others, but last week end was really busy. But I'm here now on the weekdays!

Typically I'd just push something through, but this is a newbie game and I want to see what you guys got.

VOTE: guyinfreezer

hop on the train!

How

Does anyone else think gelato is gross?

Anyone

Actually. I just looked up what it was.... it sounds kinda good. I was confusing it with custard... which is gross.

Is

Oh yea, I see what I did there.

Town

Do you have a reads list sang?

Reading

Why are Guy and I next to each other?

Any

I'm not scum reading GIF, just voting him to see if anyone would follow.

Roden is showing some town tendencies with his thinking. I don't thing scum!T3 points out my town slip like that, so prob town.

Let me think a bit.

of

GIF has 3 more days to figure this out... like he said earlier!

This

VOTE: Clasko

Garbage

It’s gonna be anticlimactic af when I end up voting Johnny 3 days later, who haven’t posted a single post lmao

Uhhh I'd actually be down for this.

Of

Objections?

The

VOTE: Clasko

Why Clasko and what do you think of Roden's townread on him?

Shrug. What does rodens townread matter on him?

ISO.

VOTE: Clasko

Why Clasko and what do you think of Roden's townread on him?

Shrug. What does rodens townread matter on him?

I mean, Roden stated that their reads/thought processes matched, so I was wondering why you would townread one of them and vote the other.

Cause Roden can be town but wrong.

Like

I feel I may have angered you in some way

Naw, I dont really get angry. Also (I think) we try to keep the newbie queue filled with positive players. I may get really excite sometimes tho! I'll check out your 135.

Holy

You know what? Your approach to the game is pretty towny, you give clear precise reads. I like it!

Shit

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Lmao

Huh? Who are you responding to?

I

disconcerting how GIF doesnt have me as lock town.

Don’t

Kinda drunk lets kill GIF

Even

[GuyInFreezer]

read my town slip in 116

You know when T3 mentioned that in the first place I read over that post over and over thinking am I actually tripping for not recognizing an obvious townslip or something.
And then I realized I wasn't tripping and T3 is an oddball.
As of now you are being an absolute deadbeat in the game and the only defense you fall back on is that 116 is somehow a townslip (it's not. Rule of thumb about townslip is that it should be easy for everyone to see and recognize it on the spot.) and that "I should've known better."
If you're actually town you need to really step up your game. But every day I lean more and more towards you being not town in lieu of there are more people just solidifying themselves as obvtown.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually Vax
Explain to me how 116 was a townslip.

[GuyInFreezer]

(Also I was hoping to solve the game in 5 days but I didn't realize Johnny was in V/LA til today sooooo)

[GuyInFreezer]

"Typically I'd just push something through, but this is a newbie game and I want to see what you guys got."

This.

To clarify, I want the newbies to make some decisions and not just take over the game. Again, I should not have made the above statement as it comes off as a little elitist/rude/too obv town to the other mafia veterans.

Ok so it’s not a town

slip

. Thank you for your clarification.
And don’t you worry it does not come off as either for scum can easily make the above statement in willing to coast.

[GuyInFreezer]

(Also I was hoping to solve the game in 5 days but I didn't realize Johnny was in V/LA til today sooooo)

Excuses Excuses....

To be fair I’ve sorted everyone except for Johnny so far so I’ve done as much as I could.
The next potential scenario is that either Johnny comes off town af and I lock my reads as is, or Johnny is a little scumbutt and I try to discern who’s more town between you and Clasko.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like yeah

technically

I only need solid (and correct) 5 universal townreads to win the game so I could be lazy and call for lunch on all three. But I have too much time for that.

[GuyInFreezer]

At that point it's WIFOM. Regardless of that though, if there exists a scum motivation to make that post and with good reason, it's not a townslip. So I suggest you get off that crutch if you want to be townread.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway since we both know that you don't actually scumread me, tell me why you voted for Clasko for the second time. I know my reason, but I don't know yours.

[GuyInFreezer]

Btw I don’t want a lynch in any sort until I see Johnny

[GuyInFreezer]

who cares

Me cos I want to go for perfect solve D1 lmao

[GuyInFreezer]

pagetop

[GuyInFreezer]

Though, T3 does have a very distinct meta; my only other completed game also had T3 in it and he got caught through meta on page 1. GIF's statement that T3 is an oddball adds up with what I know. He makes bizarre plays as scum and distances himself hard from a scum buddy, and tends to sacrifice himself Day 1 too.

Please do not "meta" with sample size of only one game.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF occasionally has decent reads

My reads are pretty accurate most of the time actually.

vax's attempts to spin 116 as being a townslip or as being strongly +town hits me as wrong, as does the assertion that he's obvtown from a page ago

There are plenty of reasons to scumread Vax but this ain't it. Former is actually more of a townleaning move and randomly claming obvtown was a fad that existed (still exists? I dunno I took a long break and just came back) back then.

[GuyInFreezer]

What locked T3 as town for you?

Plays too weird to be scum + 4D chess.
Some reads are just this simple.

I don't think town would react that way

Oh some defo do. See, there is this fancy thing called "town bias." Sometimes town fails to mentally grasp the concept that some things are done as scum/not as town because the thought that they are town is so drilled in their head. It's like a confirmation bias, but a bias that comes because they're town thus they cannot be scum. I think the way he reacted is kinda showing this. Now I said "townlean" because yes scum can obviously do this so it's not a strong tell. Arguably it's kinda hard to explain this because it's tied to my perception of ppl's emotion when making a post and if ppl go "I disagree" I can't really do jack about that. tl;dr the act itself sucks but I don't think the way he did it is scummy.

[GuyInFreezer]

So yeah my T3 read is really for his posts in general.
I just don't think scum plays the way he does.

[GuyInFreezer]

nd his read on T3 is flimsy given his considered read on myself yet somehow has the audacity to lock him in

you mad bro

[GuyInFreezer]

And GIF was bound to explain his reads anyway (5 day solve or whatever)

tbh I wasn't gonna until I remembered that this is a newbie game and thus I should play more constructively

[GuyInFreezer]

Also idk why ppl are so fixated to scum partners Day 1. It is not helpful on Day 1 because it asserts unnecessary bias in the game state. It's not too late to look for a partner after we flip scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

My reads are pretty accurate most of the time actually.

When you bother to actually read the game and don’t just sheep, I guess

You must be an alt who played with me during my peak lazy time lol.
I don't remember when was the last time I sheeped ppl hard though.

[GuyInFreezer]

yes, so why does it matter if Johnny turns up before we lim or nah

Attempt at perfect D1 solve. Like it's for personal reason. For gamestate reason Johnny matters none because as I said earlier we only need handful of correct universal townreads and we can eliminate the rest and still win.

[GuyInFreezer]

like you can keep canvassing for it if you want but if that's the only reason then I'm still gonna try to get the others to intent vax so we get a claim

Yeah that's literally the only reason.
Well there was actually also that I saw a glimmer of potential of Vax being town but it got stale.

how confident are you on Roden?

I know 293 is a bit rambling but it's a legit concern for me

As of now I'm as confident as I can be in Day 1.
Can you quote me the posts that you have problem with? I'm on my phone atm and finding things is annoying on mobile.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, if you're really this confident in your reads, aren't you worried about getting NK'd tonight?

Also I don't think scum ask this question period.

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m not liking that my non-townreads are keep going under the radar.

[GuyInFreezer]

And we’re running out of time so

Intent to hammer

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh
Now everything makes sense.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: clasko

I will also take Johnny.

Rest are town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Epiphany happened

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF's case against Vax made me feel better about my own read on Vax, but now he's just tossing that all out over...what? I literally don't know why Vax is suddenly town.

4D chess

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF and Rock, both of you make me want to drink.

I will explain it in due time if I don’t get nightkilled tonight or N2.
But as of now Vax is not the lunch today and if you are that against clasko I suggest Johnny.

[GuyInFreezer]

Elimination.
I’m too used to old words.

[GuyInFreezer]

I vote you for voting Vax... then you unvote vax.

Convenient timing.

Teeeeeechnically I never voted Vax.
Although I was gonna lolhammer tomorrow night.

[GuyInFreezer]

pagetop

[GuyInFreezer]

Why are you still TRing Vax? Also, I don't quite follow why you'd vote someone for pushing one of your townreads.

How's your full readlist looking like atm

[GuyInFreezer]

Imagine this. Your non-Roden townreads, two of them even, switched out of Vax very quickly for unexplained reason. Like a complete 180. You cannot grasp the reason why but they are both your townreads. Even if one of us is scum (why would scum me + Sang would switch out of Vax like that when in this scenario Vax is town and was going to be lynched sooner or later amirite) at least one of them found a reason so daunting that it was warranted a complete 180. Wouldn't that alone give you a reason to unvote Vax and go for someone else?

I will not vote to eliminate rockhopper today, but if it's this hard to try to get on Clasko wagon, I'm willing to accept Johnny wagon too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like yeah in lieu of recent events my list of reads changed somewhat.

T3
Vax
Sang
Roden
Jumble
Rock

==
a
big
flipping
gap
==

Johnny
Clasko

I'm willing to reconsider rock if I'm wrong on either Clasko of Johnny. But I don't think I am wrong.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like y'all may think 1 day and 20 hours is a plenty time for an elimination, but y'all need to realize that 3 ppl are effectively not playing the game and there are only 6 votes to achieve 5-votes-elimination.

[GuyInFreezer]

T3's lynchpool - Rockhopper, Clasko, Johnny
Roden's lynchpool - Rockhopper, Johnny
Jumble's lynchpool - Rockhopper, Johnny
GIF's lynchpool - Clasko, Johnny
Rock's lynchpool - Clasko, Roden, Johnny
Sang's lynchpool - Rockhopper, Johnny

At least this is what I'm seeing from posts made thus far.
I guess Clasko lynch ain't happening today with this so
VOTE: Johnny

[GuyInFreezer]

I didn't count Clasko, Vax, and Johnny because.... well they're not really playing the game atm.

[GuyInFreezer]

T3 I hate you so much

[GuyInFreezer]

Btw the reason for my 180 on Vax yesterday was because I thought T3 was softing a mason with Vax.
Sang saw the same thing which is why he told me my approach was +town.

[GuyInFreezer]

And furthermore, why don't you think it's weird that Sang got NK'd here over GIF? You don't think it's even a little bit convenient that they specifically died after their last post mentioned doubting your alignment? Or how they showed concern about my own alignment?

If I'm scum, why do I kill Sang here the moment they start doubting you again? Hell, I can't even imagine what you gain out of it either, because it just looks suspicious on both of our ends. You don't think there's a possibility we're both town and scum just wants us to focus on each other?

After singlehandedly flipping a lynch from Vax to a town tracker there was no way I was getting nightkilled tonight lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Last night but you get my jist

[GuyInFreezer]

So yeah atm my reads are back to Clasko/Vax.
But we’ll have more time and maybe more active from them.

[GuyInFreezer]

It made no sense why you not only felt confident on your reads but also that you assumed you would be NK'd at some point instead of voted out even if you were wrong.

Nah I don’t hesitate until maybe late game.

[GuyInFreezer]

Roden, where's your mind at? Since no one is talking.
And where's the GIF crumb?

If only you read last page
But alas

[GuyInFreezer]

355 was made because if I say out loud that "YO I THINK T3 IS MASON WITH VAX PLS HOP OFF" Day 1, well... I'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that doing that is anti-town AF. So I didn't want to spell out my reasoning for 180 on Vax for that exact reason.
I said D2 and D3 specifically because D2 in case if one of the mason gets off'd, and D3 is you know, potential endgame.

And yes 322 was the assumed strong mason soft because who else would defend a townread by voting his

townread

to stop the lynch that desperately? Y'all can roll it however you wish but do note that sang, a

confirmed town

at this point, also saw the same thing I saw.

Rest of 422 is not worth responding to when I've been p much transparent on why I did such things. In fact, I went overly transparent on those on purpose because I knew if I wasn't being transparent there someone could've tried to twist it to make me look bad.

[GuyInFreezer]

Either VFP is not reading the game or feigning ignorance.

[GuyInFreezer]

I can literally answer those by only quoting my own posts.
But I will only do so if you selfvote.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don’t need you to “sort” me.
At least pretend that you’re reading the game and I’ll maybe oblige.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because last thing I want to see is later on you go “lol sorry I didn’t really read” when you eventually corner yourself.

[GuyInFreezer]

This back and forth is kinda pointless. It doesn't look like scum vs scum, but if you're both waiting for the other to slip up then I don't think we'll get anywhere.

I’m just annoyed at the game state in general.
Time’s ticking and half the ppl aren’t doing jack shit.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Vax

[GuyInFreezer]

I don’t need you to “sort” me.
At least pretend that you’re reading the game and I’ll maybe oblige.

So you have nothing to defend yourself with it.
Thanks for confirming.

Imagine doing everything in your power to avoid reading the game. As of now your goal is to just continue this pointless back-and-forth with me to contribute nothing towards the actual game.

[GuyInFreezer]

I still think rockhopper vote is stupid.
I will only join it if I get a promise that next two lynches will be Vax/VFP with 0 hesitation.

[GuyInFreezer]

btw the reason why the game is not moving forward is because literally nothing changed.
Clasko's replacement is determined to not read the game, Vax is welp, rockhopper is MIA, jumble is being replaced, and my reads literally did not change from pre-"mason soft." (Vax/Clasko)

[GuyInFreezer]

And we only have 4 days left.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like there is literally no new contents.

This is why I'm giving so much shit on VFP not reading the game. By not reading the game he can just coast by asking pointless questions that can be easily answered by reading the game and avoiding offering contents. It's literally only 19 pages and 3 pages are RVS. He has no excuses.

[GuyInFreezer]

I want to wait until MIA ppl posts before hammer because I think at this rate we could get some deadline extension with amount of replacements and inactivities. Plus, father's day, right?

[GuyInFreezer]

If rock flips scum, I will gladly accept to be a sacrifice tomorrow if people (ps. those who I townread) just can't see that I'm town. If rock is scum, I think between VFP and Vax I think it's Vax and accept that VFP is just bad town.
If rock flips town there is 0 reason why we should eliminate anyone outside of Vax/VFP ever outside of PR shenanigans.

[GuyInFreezer]

If Vax is town this game I am not going to count this game because that means clearly town threw.

[GuyInFreezer]

I would believe this coming from town more if your counter action wasn't "I'm not going to tell you anything waaahh!"
Nice AtE though.

Imagine using a buzzword randomly in a situation that is not applicable.

[GuyInFreezer]

That said I need to look into how the wagon switched over from Vaxkiller because it looks like that happened pretty fast.

Basically me and sang thought T3 was softing a mason with Vax so we 180'd out of that wagon.

[GuyInFreezer]

Im town GIF, the game counts.

I feel like T3 reads me pretty well, but I'm still not sure how to read him.

GIF, quite honestly i dont know how to read you either.

If this is the sort of shit you're gonna post after 11 days of not posting anything useful and expect to be townread then idk what to say.

[GuyInFreezer]

If this is the sort of shit you're gonna post after 11 days of not posting anything useful and expect to be townread then idk what to say.

How is this a Town mind set? If you're town, instead if just complaining that players aren't posting to your par, why don't you put some effort into getting more out of people?
All I've seen from you today is cry that people aren't playing and when anything is about you, you just play it off as not game worthy but yet have no intention to push it in any direction.

Even with me, you complain that no one is doing anything and if there's something that I should be seeing from you, I just don't see it. Yet you refuse to engage with me on this and just keep saying I haven't read, when it's clearly the fact I just don't see the road you are pushing towards.

Take your own criticism and do better if town.

Again, this is not a town mindset and it's just false play trying to look frustrated.

You do realize who my scumpool is, right?

[GuyInFreezer]

I have 0 intention to make my scumpools have easier time in the game.

[GuyInFreezer]

lol
If you actually read the game you'll see that I pretty much finished sorting people Day 1.
I've locktowned everyone else except your slot, Vax, and Johnny's mid-Day 1.
Johnny wasn't it and nothing changed so the only thing I have to do is literally eliminiate your slot and Vax.

[GuyInFreezer]

This is not someone who is looking to progress the game after assisting in limming a PR.

If you locktowned everyone except 2 people what is there to progress?

[GuyInFreezer]

This just shows that there's no answer to my post about being hesitant on Vax

All right I'll answer this only to show you that you're not reading the game.
As I said earlier, by only quoting my posts.

GIF occasionally has decent reads

My reads are pretty accurate most of the time actually.

vax's attempts to spin 116 as being a townslip or as being strongly +town hits me as wrong, as does the assertion that he's obvtown from a page ago

There are plenty of reasons to scumread Vax but this ain't it. Former is actually more of a townleaning move and randomly claming obvtown was a fad that existed (still exists? I dunno I took a long break and just came back) back then.

What locked T3 as town for you?

Plays too weird to be scum + 4D chess.
Some reads are just this simple.

I don't think town would react that way

Oh some defo do. See, there is this fancy thing called "town bias." Sometimes town fails to mentally grasp the concept that some things are done as scum/not as town because the thought that they are town is so drilled in their head. It's like a confirmation bias, but a bias that comes because they're town thus they cannot be scum. I think the way he reacted is kinda showing this. Now I said "townlean" because yes scum can obviously do this so it's not a strong tell. Arguably it's kinda hard to explain this because it's tied to my perception of ppl's emotion when making a post and if ppl go "I disagree" I can't really do jack about that. tl;dr the act itself sucks but I don't think the way he did it is scummy.

like you can keep canvassing for it if you want but if that's the only reason then I'm still gonna try to get the others to intent vax so we get a claim

Yeah that's literally the only reason.
Well there was actually also that I saw a glimmer of potential of Vax being town but it got stale.

how confident are you on Roden?

I know 293 is a bit rambling but it's a legit concern for me

As of now I'm as confident as I can be in Day 1.
Can you quote me the posts that you have problem with? I'm on my phone atm and finding things is annoying on mobile.

[GuyInFreezer]

Townpoints to Vax for 116, I'll explain why later.

Was this ever explained?

Yeah. He claimed that it was a "townslip."

[GuyInFreezer]

That's what I said!
But I don't think scum makes such statement lightly.

[GuyInFreezer]

Even considering scum pocketing Vax is a weird target to pocket.

[GuyInFreezer]

This isn't a post where you have locked town anyone.
Why would there be a situation where I'm town if I'm lock scum by PoE alone?
You say I'm not reading but yet you can't even stick to your own posts?

Because if rock flips scum... then I'm wrong?
As I said, I still don't think rock is flipping scum.

This is only from T3 making it look like masons in your eyes.

You do realize that all my quotes happened before the 332, right?

[GuyInFreezer]

And if you're asking me why I didn't vote Vax to E-3... Well I didn't vote anyone the whole Day 1 until when we needed to eliminate before deadline except for my Roden vote super early on in attempt to push the game out of RVS.

[GuyInFreezer]

"BuT wHy DiD yOu VoTe JoHnNy To E-2"

Let me quote my own post again

Like y'all may think 1 day and 20 hours is a plenty time for an elimination, but y'all need to realize that 3 ppl are effectively not playing the game and there are only 6 votes to achieve 5-votes-elimination.

[GuyInFreezer]

But you can't be wrong?
Everyone is locktown and you have no intention to re think it over...
Surely you can see my view from here concerning this part?

Are you for real?
If a

flip

, a mod-confirmed information, contradicts my reads, it doesn't matter if I locked my reads. I need to fix it because it's wrong.
Like, if I have Vax and VFP as scum but rockflipper, who I locked as town, flips scum, then surely I'm wrong on one of Vax and VFP right?

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I did see that, yes.
Maybe I'm just dumb here but I don't see the reasoning though?
262 is where you are hesitating on Vax, but at this point it only reads as scum in your mind?

Btw I don’t want a lynch in any sort until I see Johnny

who cares

who cares

Me cos I want to go for perfect solve D1 lmao

Noting that I had 3 pools that time. Johnny still did not post even then. Also, it's not really hesitation. It's just me waiting.

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Okay, so why didn't you put your scum read to E3 is what I'm basically asking...

In case people ask me why I’m not voting anyone yet I’m simply waiting on Johnny to post. I do want to D1 solve for flex points if possible.

(Also I was hoping to solve the game in 5 days but I didn't realize Johnny was in V/LA til today sooooo)

Excuses Excuses....

To be fair I’ve sorted everyone except for Johnny so far so I’ve done as much as I could.
The next potential scenario is that either Johnny comes off town af and I lock my reads as is, or Johnny is a little scumbutt and I try to discern who’s more town between you and Clasko.

When I said I was waiting for Johnny to post I really was waiting for Johnny to post for flex points. Obviously it did not go well.

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but was okay to show intent to hammer with almost 2 days left?

I’m not liking that my non-townreads are keep going under the radar.

And we’re running out of time so

Intent to hammer

[GuyInFreezer]

Now I'm gonna be gone for a while because I really need to get this project done by tonight.

[GuyInFreezer]

But my argument is that your putting a scenario in that you do not think is possible.
Unless we have a different meaning on locktown, Rock can never be scum in your eyes... yet there's a scenario where Rock is scum?!
If I locktown someone, I'm not saying that they are flipping scum.

Oh that’s me suggesting the course of action if rock is eliminated today. Like it’s not related to my actual read on rock.
As I said two posts before that, I think rock votes are stupid.

I just find it really hard to believe that you will hesitate to vote to E3, but voting to E2 without a worry of a lim of an unclaimed, unposting slot in a newbie game. We both know the basics here in these games.

If I was sold so hard that T3 and Vax was a mason, enough to singlehandedly flip the Vax wagon to someone else, why would I believe that anyone else is flipping a PR?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ongoing from yesterday. Mainly that he claims to have solved the game but then didn't vote.

Ctrl + F "solve", Day 1

UNVOTE:

I think I can solve this in 5 days.

Sry, you guys deserve better. I should have marked myself VLA over the weekend. Some weeks are better than others, but last week end was really busy. But I'm here now on the weekdays!

Btw I have no excuses.
One liners will be all y’all get from me unless I feel a big need to post longer which is basically almost never.
Why drag it out in paragraphs when I can say two lines to say what I need amirite

With that said now I have pretty strong 5 townreads. I can prob really solve this in 4 days.

In case people ask me why I’m not voting anyone yet I’m simply waiting on Johnny to post. I do want to D1 solve for flex points if possible.

(Also I was hoping to solve the game in 5 days but I didn't realize Johnny was in V/LA til today sooooo)

who cares

Me cos I want to go for perfect solve D1 lmao

yes, so why does it matter if Johnny turns up before we lim or nah

Attempt at perfect D1 solve. Like it's for personal reason. For gamestate reason Johnny matters none because as I said earlier we only need handful of correct universal townreads and we can eliminate the rest and still win.

[GuyInFreezer]

When I actually claimed the game to be solved (albeit wrongfully)

VOTE: clasko

I will also take Johnny.

Rest are town.

[GuyInFreezer]

However, I still find it strange that you take a post as set masons over a possible trickery post/mis read of a crumb

Remember that it wasn't only just me who thought it was a mason soft. That post was that damning.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, can you tell me why you don't think Rock is scum? He seems to be your most shaky town read, but what makes you town lean him over Clasko/VFP and Vax?

Same reason as D1 really.

Also by "shaky" it's more like

Roden
T3
Jumble
Rock

==
Big
Flipping
Gap
==

VFP
Vax

[GuyInFreezer]

Since people aren’t having qualms about Roden/sang/T3 being town let’s see why Rock and Jumble is town.

If anyone isn’t convinced that Rock is town yet, just see how he was under pressure for pretty much 80% of the game so far and see how he gave 0 fuck and went on his way on trying to figure out the game. Like it’s really hard to do that as scum (because scum needs to live and they know how painful it is to be lynched D1) and unless someone tells me that Rockhopper is actually a god tier scum player I’m just gonna call him town for that alone.

Also

What kind of scum strongly townreads 5 newbies like that lol
GIF's town prolly.

This is like
99.99% town reaction.
And no it’s not because he called me town. That’s like an icing on a cake and I know better than to bias my reads based on what they’re calling me. He could’ve said Vax in there instead of my name and I would still have a same reaction. Yes it’s a naive view on things on his part. But naivety is a really strong town trait. Scum do not want to randomly call someone town for simple reasons because they want their mislynch options open. This is also why I’m not townreading Clasko. His overly fence sitting post I mentioned earlier falls into this category.

Now Jumble. Now he’s a funny case to read because he admitted that he doesn’t not respond well to pressure and is self-conscious. That means I need to rule this off from being alignment-indicative.
> Subtle/direct attempt at redirection of pressure from himself

With that said, assuming that I believe his story that he’s really new at the game, he has a solid on Radon and somewhat solid reads on Clasko and Vax (which I do not agree but let’s chalk that as him being new). Basically, he looks like he’s trying his best.

“Now wait a whole damn minute GIF ya mean to tell me ya townread him for simply trying???”

Well there are some elements of my gut reads and whatnot but if I tell you that I’m townreading him because gut I’m suuuure that’s gonna be some solid case amirite. But yeah back on the topic. He is trying, he is forming his reads regardless of how bad they actually are, and he is standing by those reads.

Conviction. Unlike Clasko. Actually trying. Unlike Vax.

If you need more than this, then consider this. Remember that he is self conscious. For a self conscious player he does like probing and prodding, no? If he’s new, self conscious, and scum, let me tell you that he basically won’t be playing like this. He will most likely play super passive and appeasing because he wouldn’t want to be caught in a conflict and getting negative attention.

So yeah. His play is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

but town reading someone who's town reading you is just a safe thing for scum to do

This is something you look for process not result.

[GuyInFreezer]

Assuming that I understood your original comment correctly, I mean that "townreading someone who townreads them" is something that shouldn't be read for alignment as a result by itself. It's more important to look at the steps of how one is townreading other independent of vice versa.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Mod: requesting deadline extension due to replacements.

[GuyInFreezer]

can anyone give me a quick catch-up so we can get started

Read Vax’s ISO and join me.
It’s a quick read.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah in case anyone doubts T3

And we’re running out of time so

Intent to hammer

We're not limming Vax. VOTE: GIF

This does not come from scum ever.
Scum has 0 motivation to stop mis-elimination on town-Vax nor desperately attempt to save scum-Vax like this.

[GuyInFreezer]

Town!T3 is hammer-happy.

Hammer happy enough to hammer his townread?

[GuyInFreezer]

Busy today rl so I won’t really be on until tonight

[GuyInFreezer]

I really didn’t want to bother with outside games to read ppl but if the meta is that damning I guess I’ll need to give them a read soon.

[GuyInFreezer]

Imagine thinking about association with 0 scumflip

[GuyInFreezer]

But yeah HEM did not change my read on the slot.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was talking about your slot lol
I haven’t had time to dig thru T3 games yet

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah also @Umlaut I wouldn’t read too much about Johnny wagon. I singlehandedly orchestrated that.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Mod: Limited access til end of Friday cos finals

Acknowledged! ~f

[GuyInFreezer]

Has Vax played enough with VFP
Because if not I think Vax post just now is a scumclaim

[GuyInFreezer]

Speaking of wagon analysis, you know which wagon is sexiest to look at? Sang wagon. Dude is confirmed town, and was wagoned to E-2.

[GuyInFreezer]

sang froid (3):

Vaxkiller

, Rockhopper, NotAJumbleOfNumbers

O shit guess who’s in that wagon

[GuyInFreezer]

I get ppl’s suspicion on Roden tbh.
But for me Roden is one of those ppl who makes me go “wait what if,” reread, and reaffirm that the slot is town multiple times.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hypersensitivity to being scumread is not a scumtell, but rather personality.
I’ve seen so many town who were like that.

[GuyInFreezer]

Has Vax played enough with VFP
Because if not I think Vax post just now is a scumclaim

Yea we have played a bunch of games recently and this is not the town VFP I know.

Has Vax played enough with VFP
Because if not I think Vax post just now is a scumclaim

So as finished games go, I found 1 game. I was cult in a Grand Idea Game.
I think there's 1 other completed game but I couldn't see it so maybe not?

No it is just the 1 completed game as I replaced out day 1 for the other game.

Electoral college mafia.

So grand total of 2 games
HMMMMMMMM

[GuyInFreezer]

Claim.

[GuyInFreezer]

THIS IS SO TOWN

In which universe?
Or do you know something that we don’t?

[GuyInFreezer]

I think I’ve seen enough for today.

VOTE: Vax

[GuyInFreezer]

shh

[GuyInFreezer]

I don’t trust your definition of “township”

[GuyInFreezer]

Townslip even

[GuyInFreezer]

I fucking hate this game
I knew I never get easy games

[GuyInFreezer]

idk it was cut off way too short for any meaningful reaction.
It’s a low risk test that either shows town or null anyway.

[GuyInFreezer]

When people react to a fake hammer I just.never understand.
It takes seconds to know of its real or not.

This is for either alignment... just baffles me

It’s about timing.
I don’t need to fool the whole group anyway.
I only need to fool the target.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like it’s “cool if it works cool if it don’t”

[GuyInFreezer]

idk it was cut off way too short for any meaningful reaction.
It’s a low risk test that either shows town or null anyway.

Sorry I meant null or scum

[GuyInFreezer]

I feel like if Roden was scum I would’ve died N1 instead.

[GuyInFreezer]

He thought I was a PR right
Yeah

[GuyInFreezer]

Clasko replaced out so his opinions wouldn’t have mattered.

[GuyInFreezer]

Who was scumreading Jumble again D1

[GuyInFreezer]

Eh I’ll worry about this after finals

[GuyInFreezer]

Hmm.

If T3 is scum Vax is conftown.

[GuyInFreezer]

If T3 is scum his thing towards Vax is not covering buddy
It’s WKing town for towncred.

[GuyInFreezer]

I think VFP kill leads to Vax scum
VOTE: Vax

[GuyInFreezer]

Vax is a lim today regardless of his alignment.
Even though he’s prob just scum here.

[GuyInFreezer]

I wish i knew if newbie game norm these days is with daychat or not.
Because if so I’m p sure T3 coached Vax to claim VT.

[GuyInFreezer]

I partially want Vax to be scum because if it isn’t that means my D1 was 0/2 LOL

[GuyInFreezer]

And then I’m gonna be memed forever for this game.
Heck I’m p sure ppl are already memeing in dead thread if Vax is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why would HEM scum replace into this game and immediately bus his partner when T3 was nowhere close to be eliminated

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I think VFP kill choice is made because either the last scum was comfortable putting me on nigh confirmed town status and bring me to ElLo(?) or has zero clue how the game is going on.