Newbie 2095 | Game over

[Alianna]

DUCK SUPREMACY!!!

VOTE: Roden

[Alianna]

Oh cool the game started!!! I put an exclamation mark to mirror Alianna and make them subconsciously townread me.

There was no need, I'm already informed you're town.

[Alianna]

So who wants to be nightkilled first?

[Alianna]

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Ah. 11 was actually trying to imply I was mafia. I like being sus on purpose in RVS.
Note for everyone, it is generally not a good idea to out yourself as PR/VT or speculate about who the PRs/VTs are at this point in the game, reason being that you’re doing the mafia’s PR-hunting for them. We should be fine, just something to keep in mind.
FN also doesn’t target during the pregame, only N1 and onwards.

[Alianna]

Let's start this off.

VOTE: Whiskey

Why?

This is RVS (Random Voting Stage). Site meta is that we all vote randomly until somehow the game advances out of it. I have my doubts about how effective it is (at least the way that people tend to do it), but it is a thing here.

[Alianna]

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

This is my fourth game. I played in Newbies 2090 and 2092, in which I was VT both times. I also have one ongoing that I legally cannot discuss.
I don't have any other experience.

[Alianna]

@hutmeil

Mind getting an avatar?

[Alianna]

Town, Newbie 2090. I think these games heavily depend on how many PR die early.

I don’t disagree but I would add vanilla games do exist so it’s not impossible for Town to win without PRs.

It's not impossible, but mountainous games tend to be very scumsided. The theoretical town winrate for 10v2 is 33.2%. I don't know math but I'm pretty sure that number would drop to lottery odds in 7v2.

[Alianna]

What do you make of my claim in post 11?

[Alianna]

(@Greeting)

[Alianna]

Senseless voting at the beginning of D1 isn't sus.

[Alianna]

We can't have this, now, can we?

VOTE: furtiveglance[/post]

[Alianna]

^
Beautiful formatting right there.

[Alianna]

VOTE: furtiveglance

[Alianna]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

I have stuff to say about hutmeil but I'll wait until they respond.

[Alianna]

Also, irrelevant, but this is the slowest D1 I have ever endured. It's taken us around 3 days to get near the end of the third page. The other games I've been in reached this point in a matter of hours.

[Alianna]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

I don’t know when hutmeil plans on responding or if it matters, so I’m just going to say what I was going to say.
It could be sus that they assumed I was talking about a town role, but the two possibilities were that furtive and I were masons and that furtive is FN who somehow informed me pregame.
FN can only exist in column B and masons can only exist in A and C, so this might be an indication that they don’t know what column we’re in (therefore town).
Sure, they could have fabricated that, but I think if they were approaching it strategically they’d realize I could be claiming scum.

[Alianna]

What does “hx” stand for?

[Alianna]

Hx = history

Ah.
Yes, furtive has actually been in all of my games thus far.

[Alianna]

hutmeil, I think you're probably town, but this discussion is anti-town, so I'll clarify these and we'll leave it at that.

You do realize how anti-town this conversation is right now?

I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.

I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.

Has everyone sounded off already?

Role revealing is generally only a good idea if you're at E-1 with intent to hammer, there's a massclaim, or you have crucial information (like a cop guilty). Otherwise, it's anti-town to discuss roles.

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).

Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.

Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:

UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome

VOTE: Roden

If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.

On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.

Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though :wink:

Please enlighten me on how these roles work.

Masons - are confirmed as town to each other and share a PT.
FN - targets one player each night, the targeted player is informed that the FN is town.

If it still isn't clear, you can read the sample role PMs in 2.
And now I would like to cease the role discussion.

[Alianna]

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

Played ages ago but not here, but thru email threads.

[Alianna]

Oh, I misinterpreted then.
I second that question though.

[Alianna]

Also, @72, you've posted twice. Have you any thoughts on this game?

[Alianna]

I saw that, I mean what was their actual experience playing the game.

I saw that, I mean what was their actual experience playing the game.

Hmmm not sure exactly what you're asking but I played via email as I've said and that was like more than a decade ago. I guess I have 10-15 games under my belt.

Not quite the answer that I was expecting, but it's interesting to know nonetheless.

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Originally, I thought this was just a joke, but then you made this post:

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).

Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.

Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:

UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome

VOTE: Roden

If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.

On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.

You double down on discussing PRs even though you've been told it's an anti-town thing to do. I could understand making this kind of mistake if you were just new, but you're claiming to have a pretty decent amount of experience under your belt. For comparison, it only takes five games to be considered SE (Semi-Experienced) on this site.

So considering your experience with the game, and your general tone that gives me the feeling that you know what you're doing, it makes me think that you openly discussing PRs is just feigned ignorance.

What this does not account for is the fact that the meta around discussing roles may have been different over a decade ago in email games.

[Alianna]

That...would make sense. Not sure how I thought otherwise.

[Alianna]

We've got 5 days. It's not like we're running out of time.
But I'll take my RVS vote off.

UNVOTE:

[Alianna]

Sure.
I really wouldn't want to eliminate anyone at that point in the game because if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and if I'm right, we don't have much for associatives.
But if I had to, probably Tidus. He's lurked a lot, and 110 was very low-effort and basically a restatement of what was already discussed.

[Alianna]

Apologies for the prods. Will reread later today.

@Alianna sure. I do. But before I do, who would you eliminate right now if you theoretically had the hammer right now as at post 117?

72, please share those thoughts now.
I hope my answer is relevant to whatever you're going to say. We can't really afford to wait to share thoughts in this gamestate.

[Alianna]

^
I hate the way I phrased that but you get the point.

[Alianna]

What do you find sus?

[Alianna]

Tone mostly. Bad vote on hutmeil.

They're not voting hutmeil.

[Alianna]

I don't know that an RVS vote is AI, but I don't mind having some pressure on Tidus.

[Alianna]

Wow. Can I pretend like that didn’t actually just happen.

<<


No offense Tidus. I’m ok with some pressure votes on you. I forgot your slot even exsisted until FG brought your name up.

Are you Mala's alt or something? What just happened?

[Alianna]

Yeah, I’m the alt. I was trying out a new account for an experiment.
That lasted not that long…

:|

Oof.

[Alianna]

Indeed. It explains a lot.

[Alianna]

I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

Why

whiskey delta

?

Why not whiskey delta?

I’m not going to base a read just off this, but this reminds me very much of something I said in a previous towngame.
Idk why I mention this now.

[Alianna]

Objection: I wasn't just talking about mechanics, I was using mechanics to townread hutmeil. Is that not analysis?

[Alianna]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

I don’t know when hutmeil plans on responding or if it matters, so I’m just going to say what I was going to say.
It could be sus that they assumed I was talking about a town role, but the two possibilities were that furtive and I were masons and that furtive is FN who somehow informed me pregame.
FN can only exist in column B and masons can only exist in A and C, so this might be an indication that they don’t know what column we’re in (therefore town).
Sure, they could have fabricated that, but I think if they were approaching it strategically they’d realize I could be claiming scum.

Do you mean this post?

Yeah. Should have quoted. furtive has mentioned they disagree with people's townreads on me for 79. It's fine if they don't want to TR me for it but they've wrongly (perhaps even suspiciously?) framed it as just mech spec with no analysis.

[Alianna]

I'll ISO everyone and make a readslist probably tonight.

[Alianna]

Yep, Roden sus.

[Alianna]

Only one more ISO to do and then I'll have a readslist.

[Alianna]

whiskey delta

I disagree with their furtive read, but otherwise I think they’ve made a lot of sense.
Also made active attempts to move the game forward.
I like what they’ve said about wanting others to weigh in. The focus here seems to be on solving the game rather than controlling the game.

Greeting

This.

Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Not the first time I’ve quoted furtive in a readslist.
Also liked 240 a lot.

Malakittens

Idk how to word my TR so I’m going to call it town vibes.

hutmeil

Still think they’re probably just newbtown. I’d also wager they’re never getting NKed.

furtiveglance

Mostly because I think their sus on Roden is justified and I don’t think there’s a good reason to SR them at the moment.

72offsuit

Has done nothing AI.
On an unrelated note, I think you need to fix your formatting. When you quote stuff, make sure your post doesn’t include every post you’ve ever quoted.
And please post more.

Tidus of the X

Could be lurky scum, could be lurky town. I can’t read a player off three posts of content. 110 and 228 are very low effort, 148 had a point, and the rest is fluff.
And also please post more.

Roden

Okay, here goes.
123 feels a little disingenuous. As Greeting pointed out, he scumread hutmeil for talking about PRs while not acknowledging that they were asked by whiskey delta to expand on 16 and answering would require them to do so.

Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.

I don't think that they're town, I just understand why they're getting town read. No matter Hutmeil's actual alignment, I think the reason they're getting town read is a poor reason, since it comes from self-preservation rather than any attempts to actually analyze the player.

This is interesting. Roden has projected a very scummy mindset onto the people townreading hutmeil. At that point, those people were Greeting, furtive, and I - we can’t all be scum. If hutmeil is scum like Roden thinks, then only one of us can be scum. I don’t think there’s any basis to claim that town are TRing hutmeil out of self-preservation. These posts look like they’re just trying to discredit townreads on a town player.
205 is when Roden voted furtive. Previously, he’s only expressed mild suspicion. There isn’t much wrong with the post itself but I don’t like that it only happened after I expressed some doubts about furtive. And then it’s like he almost forgot about hutmeil.
I don’t personally know Roden’s meta, but the fact that more than one person sees a difference from his normal towngame could be a red flag.
Overall, sus.

VOTE: Roden

This is E-1. Do not hammer without declaring intent and allowing time for a claim.

I feel like I have too many townreads so I’m probably going to re-evaluate some of those after today’s flip. Right now wouldn’t vote for anyone in the green though.

[Alianna]

Claim acknowledged, no counter.

Will respond to 256 later.

[Alianna]

UNVOTE:

Still waiting on Mala and 72 to CC or not.

[Alianna]

@FG

can you go into more detail on your 246?

How do you and Alianna read each other generally?

Same question to

@Alianna

as well.

Wait, what exactly did you mean by this question?

[Alianna]

@FG

can you go into more detail on your 246?

How do you and Alianna read each other generally?

Same question to

@Alianna

as well.

Wait, what exactly did you mean by this question?

I understand that most of your games so far have been together?

I'm asking how you would typically approach reading FG. You disagreed with my read so I was hoping for some insight from someone that has more time with him in game. What are his tells? Have you been able to figure out the difference in his play between alignments?

I've played with them in all three of my games thus far, but we were both town in all of those games. I couldn't tell you what scum!furtive looks like, I just haven't noticed anything that strikes me as a deviation from their towngame.

[Alianna]

PRs get caught early by making it obvious they don't want attention when they usually play the game in every other game.

It might be a good idea to not blindly scum read anyone who tries to have independent thought.

Thank you.

Yeah I don't really care tbh, I'm mentally checked out at this point.

It's been pretty clear that I'm town simply for the fact I'm actually scum hunting and not playing with self preservation in mind.

Consider it a lesson about how people play the game I guess.

Btw why are we considering anyone other than Furtive if he was one of your top scum reads? Or were you just distancing from your partner?

I'll be honest - you're not really in a position to sit here and condescend after getting E-1'd on D1 as the Cop. For the better part of a week you parked your vote on a player and ignored/handwaved/mischaracterized analysis around them that said you were most likely wrong with your approach. You

still

have yet to answer questions that have been asked irt your case/read on hutmeil. I typed out a paragraph with post numbers included pointing out exactly why I was bothered by you and your response was "you just don't like how I say things" lol like what, dude? I'll take my share of the blame if we really did out the Cop on D1 but let's not pretend it was unwarranted. You'd be hammered by now if not for your claim, so there's that. What made you think playing so far outside of your typical range (according to others) AS THE COP was a good idea? Only now when I squint really hard does it make sense that you were so quick to jump on the PR discussion and sus Greeting for agreeing that your play was off.

Likewise, you say the bold & underlined about your own play but apparently cannot see that I have a similar "bull in China shop" approach. I haven't played in years and knocking the rust off will take time. You all are new to me and I have no idea how the site meta goes, but I'll learn and get better as we go. If you really are Town, then I suggest you step back and clear your head, do whatever you need to do, and look at everything with fresh eyes.

^

[Alianna]

Roden won’t be eliminated today.

At least give him a day to sort that out

What do you mean by this?
If we get a CC, I'm probably voting Roden.
If nobody does, then he's conftown. A Cop fakeclaim gets CCed by any PR that isn't a doctor, and at least one exists in all 9 blocks.

[Alianna]

PRs get caught early by making it obvious they don't want attention when they usually play the game in every other game.

It might be a good idea to not blindly scum read anyone who tries to have independent thought.

Thank you.

Yeah I don't really care tbh, I'm mentally checked out at this point.

It's been pretty clear that I'm town simply for the fact I'm actually scum hunting and not playing with self preservation in mind.

Consider it a lesson about how people play the game I guess.

Btw why are we considering anyone other than Furtive if he was one of your top scum reads? Or were you just distancing from your partner?

I'll be honest - you're not really in a position to sit here and condescend after getting E-1'd on D1 as the Cop. For the better part of a week you parked your vote on a player and ignored/handwaved/mischaracterized analysis around them that said you were most likely wrong with your approach. You

still

have yet to answer questions that have been asked irt your case/read on hutmeil. I typed out a paragraph with post numbers included pointing out exactly why I was bothered by you and your response was "you just don't like how I say things" lol like what, dude? I'll take my share of the blame if we really did out the Cop on D1 but let's not pretend it was unwarranted. You'd be hammered by now if not for your claim, so there's that. What made you think playing so far outside of your typical range (according to others) AS THE COP was a good idea? Only now when I squint really hard does it make sense that you were so quick to jump on the PR discussion and sus Greeting for agreeing that your play was off.

Likewise, you say the bold & underlined about your own play but apparently cannot see that I have a similar "bull in China shop" approach. I haven't played in years and knocking the rust off will take time. You all are new to me and I have no idea how the site meta goes, but I'll learn and get better as we go. If you really are Town, then I suggest you step back and clear your head, do whatever you need to do, and look at everything with fresh eyes.

It's not really my problem if you can't read people. Instead of putting it off on me that my play got me E-1'd, maybe look at how the game state and your own play encouraged the player list to scum read anyone who speaks up and actively tries to play, then complaining that people aren't making posts and aren't playing.

You actively discouraged people from posting and scum hunting

, and if Furtive flips town then you also played a major part in setting up the town PR and a fellow townie into being forced into a 1v1/chain mis-elim.

So if I'll be honest, either your reads are bad or you're scum. Which is it?

Can you give examples of where whiskey delta did this?

[Alianna]

I might be blind, but I don't see how any of those posts are doing that. A lot of it is them asking questions and wanting to hear other people's thoughts. They said twice that they wanted to see others weigh in.
The ones that aren't doing that are sharing reads, which I don't think discourages discussion.
Mind explaining what you're seeing in these posts?

P-edit: Yeah. It might be. It might also be helpful to point out what I see as flaws in said conftown's reads so that maybe we get on the same page.

[Alianna]

Though I understand if it didn't come off like that.

[Alianna]

Ok, let me start by asking how you think scum plays. Are they going to come out and say things that stick out and sound shady? Or are they going to be reserved and try to sound helpful/solvey?

It's not that simple.
One would expect they'd do the latter, but they could also go for the WIFOM and hope people think it's too scummy to be scum.
A scum player might also lack self-awareness about how shady they're being (I don't think that applies to you, but you asked about scum in general).
Either way, you're basically conftown, so it's not like I still think otherwise.

[Alianna]

I don't think it's a good idea to operate off of generalizations about what scum do or don't do.

[Alianna]

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Nobody has CCed.

[Alianna]

Unofficial votecount mostly for my reference.

Alianna (2): 72offsuit, whiskey delta
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X


Not Voting (5): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, Alianna

[Alianna]

I guess I'm the mislim now?
Idk what my reads are at this point. The cop claim changed everything.

[Alianna]

I guess I'm the mislim now?
Idk what my reads are at this point. The cop claim changed everything.

I feel that my claim just exposed scum who were banking on a mis-elim that couldn't go through.

Do you not want to vote Furtive?

I need to respond to 72's case and re-evaluate some stuff. It's a maybe.

[Alianna]

Scratch that, idk if a response is even worth it.

[Alianna]

And yes I initially planned to meme rhyme all game long.

I wish you'd done so lol.

[Alianna]

What do other people think regarding Alianna/hutmeil?

Still not scumreading hutmeil.

[Alianna]

I'll be honest, I have zero energy to come up with a scumcase right now. Probably wouldn't vote for hutmeil or whiskey today. I just want this day to end, preferably in an elimination.
And yes, I realize this post commits every scumtell in the book. Including self-awareness.

[Alianna]

Also, irrelevant, but this is the slowest D1 I have ever endured. It's taken us around 3 days to get near the end of the third page. The other games I've been in reached this point in a matter of hours.

Slight townlean from this post.
I think town is much more frustrated with inactivity than scum. Scum thrives on town apathy.
The frustration feels genuine to me.

79 is just mech talk and speculation, why does Alianna get a townread?

This is unfair. Townread ME even though I don't deserve it. D:<

Agree with furtive here. I don't follow a TR from p79.

Was considering 72 and re-skimmed their ISO, this caught my eye. I like the contradiction here. Townlean for this, I feel like scum would care more about being consistent.

[Alianna]

Alianna, current votes aside, who would be your preferred elimination?

I can't say I'd mind a vote on you, but I'm also a bit paranoid of misreading you again.

[Alianna]

You know, they do say third time's the charm!

Please don't, though.

[Alianna]

Alianna, do you think everyone on the Roden wagon is Town?

Roden - (whiskey) hutmeil, Greeting, FG, Alianna

No, because otherwise there must be 2 scum in Mala/72/Tidus, which I don’t think there is.

[Alianna]

Greeting fits that “active enough to not raise suspicion but still under the radar” description better imo.

They are either playing a super clean (albeit thus far incorrect) Town game or they are just scum and staying above the fray but still landing on wagons. Their interactions have been fairly minimal. The way they pop in, make a few reads, ask a few questions, drop a vote, and then are gone again is really unsettling to me.

Was just thinking that. I think they might be someone to consider tomorrow.

[Alianna]

I'm not super confident, but I'll VOTE: furtiveglance because I don't really townread them anymore and it's better than me or a no-lim.
furtive, if this is the second time I've been wrong on you, then I apologize.

[Alianna]

whiskey, I hope you log back on soon because the deadline's in an hour.

[Alianna]

Alright.

[Alianna]

As in, in this thread? I'm here. RIP.

[Alianna]

Perhaps Greeting? But really, I'd have to reread the thread.

[Alianna]

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

I will make sure to be very remorseful on your behalf if Malakittens dies.

[Alianna]

I suddenly have a bad feeling about this.

[Alianna]

Still probably better than a no-lim?

[Alianna]

Bruh........I was getting hammered anyway.

Yeah, I know.

[Alianna]

I suddenly have a bad feeling about this.

Just now?

Yeah. A moment too late.

[Alianna]

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't have the time or energy right now to analyze any of this, but a couple things to note. It's interesting that everyone was either on or off of both major wagons.
If we consider my wagon when it was at E-2...

Alianna - 72offsuit, whiskey delta,

furtiveglance

...then we see that Mala and Tidus were on none of those (Mala didn't vote D1 and Tidus stuck to his RVS vote) and whiskey was on all three.
Make of it what you will, I guess? I'll probably follow this up at some point but wanted to note this stuff now.

[Alianna]

I can’t with you anymore.

See you post game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not going to base an entire scumread off this, but this feels really sketchy, as if they knew Roden was dying because no doc.

[Alianna]

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't have the time or energy right now to analyze any of this, but a couple things to note. It's interesting that everyone was either on or off of both major wagons.
If we consider my wagon when it was at E-2...

Alianna - 72offsuit, whiskey delta,

furtiveglance

...then we see that Mala and Tidus were on none of those (Mala didn't vote D1 and Tidus stuck to his RVS vote) and whiskey was on all three.
Make of it what you will, I guess? I'll probably follow this up at some point but wanted to note this stuff now.

Even passing, throw away thoughts are better than just the summaries of events.

I wish I could go back to that time before Roden claimed Cop, when I had you at the top of my Town list for what I thought might have been the best post of the game up to that point, but I'm not there anymore. I want so badly to have read you correctly there, and to have been seen accordingly, but I can't underestimate anyone and I'm very bothered by how you were closer to elimination that close to deadline and FG still happened.

I'm afraid you don't know the curse I live with. There seems to be a pattern in the way I get read on D1. In every game I've played except the one I replaced out of, I've been at least somewhat townread early D1 and then rather quickly brought to E-2 later on. But somehow, I manage to live. I find it amusing how like clockwork it is.
Should that affect your read on me? I don't know. But it is a pattern lol.

[Alianna]

(How do i quote only one part of a post)

Idk if there's a better way, but I click the quote button and then just delete out all the stuff I don't want to quote.

[Alianna]

IIRC, I didn't really scumread them. Roden was my only real scumread, but we all know how that went down. There was very little time to rethink, but the last thing I wanted was a no-lim (imagine if we did that, there was a doc, and we went into D2 with all 9 people?). The options were me (not happening), hutmeil (who I was townreading), and furtive (who I was nullreading).

[Alianna]

IIRC, I didn't really scumread them. Roden was my only real scumread, but we all know how that went down. There was very little time to rethink, but the last thing I wanted was a no-lim (imagine if we did that, there was a doc, and we went into D2 with all 9 people?). The options were me (not happening), hutmeil (who I was townreading), and furtive (who I was nullreading).

I can only take your reads at face value but I was pretty sure FG was Town when I hammered him. The fact you two have experience and he’s calling you scum sketches me out. When you get the chance to dig in (I know you’re VLA) I would love to see where you stand on things.

I have a really dumb reason to TR you but it relies on the theory that you couldn’t do something as scum. You’re new but you’ve got chops so idk and I am fully aware of how pocketable I am.

I’ll be able to dig into stuff more later this week.
What’s the dumb reason? Or can you share it now?

[Alianna]

I read page one. Alianna is probably scum, no?

Why do you think I'm scum after the first page?

[Alianna]

How do you feel that I got you so early?

A little annoyed that you think you got me so early. And that you aren't answering my question.

[Alianna]

While you're here Alianna - talk to me about where you're at because Town had a pretty fucking horrific Day One.

Agreed. D1 was a disaster.
I don't have much for reads at the moment as I've been on V/LA all D2.
I was townleaning your slot, hutmeil, and Mala at the end of D1 and still somewhat am.

[Alianna]

If you tell me you're scum reading Whiskey I'll help you eliminate him.

Why do you scumread whiskey?

[Alianna]

1) Can you elaborate why them seem Town to you? irt Tidus, consider that if he were scum that he would be in a PT with another player that could give him advice on how to play. To me he seems more like newbTown moving his way thru the dark.

I agree on Tidus.

[Alianna]

Unless we're dealing with, like, Tidus/hutmeil or something.

[Alianna]

Both of them look pretty newbtown to me and not like they're being coached.

[Alianna]

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

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Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I have a stance on this now. I think the distribution is most likely 1 on, 1 off. I know I'm town, furtive and Roden are dead, I townread hutmeil because they don't really seem partnered with anyone, so it would have to be whiskey/Greeting for both to be on. Which is...maybe? Idk.
And I'd be a little surprised if furtive's wagon was all town.

[Alianna]

I'm seeing about an 80% chance that it's whiskey or Greeting.

[Alianna]

I think we should remember to include Mala’s vote on FG.

It wasn’t counted, but it was made.

Right.

[Alianna]

Somehow I keep forgetting about that.

[Alianna]

I'm seeing about an 85% chance that there is scum in whiskey/Greeting/Mala.

EBWOP.

[Alianna]

I don't personally mind typing names out.

[Alianna]

If you want to abbreviate my name, most people prefer to do so by mispeling it.

[Alianna]

Sorry, that was a bit mean.

[Alianna]

@Mala and anyone else scumreading hutmeil

If you had to guess, who do you think hutmeil's partner is?

[Alianna]

I can’t with you anymore.

See you post game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not going to base an entire scumread off this, but this feels really sketchy, as if they knew Roden was dying because no doc.

Oof I dig that

:neutral:

How would you know there's no Doctor in the game,

Alianna

?

I mean, I don't technically. But if there is, neither of the two scenarios is likely.
Scenario A is that the doctor targeted someone other than Roden. Why would they ever do that?
Scenario B is that scum were certain enough of who the doctor was to shoot Roden anyway and hope they could RB the doctor.
I can't see into the scum PT, but Occam's Razor says we're just in C1.

[Alianna]

I mean, it seems as if the anti-town posting was a reaction test.

[Alianna]

Aliana - She's my TR. But nothing is set in stone of course. Just the way she responded to my "anti-town" post on D1. But as you pointed out, VCA on her somewhat deducts points from her Towniness.

Mala - As I've mentioned already, I've no current read on the slot (neutral). Basically, anyone who disliked my "antitown" post on D1 either got a TR or a neutral reading from me. Almost everyone did except for you (WD) and FG.

[Alianna]

Which was a really stupid reaction test IMO.

but hey w/e

I don't agree with that play either, but I don't think it's necessarily scum-indicative. I can certainly see newb(ish)town trying it.

[Alianna]

If you're still here, mind answering the question in 570?

[Alianna]

So what you're saying is that Mala and BBT are highly likely scum?

Coming back to this. What I am saying is that if I am right about you being Town, and Alianna is Town and right about hutmeil being Town, then that only leaves three players for the scum to be in. 72(BBT)/Greeting seems unlikely. If Greeting is the last Townie then that only leaves 72(BBT)/Mala left over.

What do you think?

What about a Mala/Greeting pair? Mala only mentioned Greeting once and that was to TR them with zero explanation. Greeting gave a bit more of a reason, but it was pretty much all meta and though they've expressed doubt, it doesn't seem like they're actually considering voting there. 600 could easily be distancing.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Malakittens

E-2

[Alianna]

To answer your question, BBT, I probably won't be voting whiskey, but I could be persuaded. I'd like to hear why

you

want to eliminate them so badly.

[Alianna]

What do you think of hutmeil's strong desire to yeet Tidus and 72 expressed in 259, 260, and 376?

[Alianna]

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I do think it's bold if hutmeil is partnered with either.

[Alianna]

i mean if a partner is useless then by all means hardbusyeet so i'm not going to rule them out as a partner because of a strong desire to kill

I was thinking more along the lines of potentially winning faster because you get to ELo a day earlier, but that's a fair point.

[Alianna]

Idk if one day would really matter to the scum. Haven't been one.

[Alianna]

I will note that this is E-1, since you haven't.
I have nothing to claim.

[Alianna]

I should probably defend myself, but in all honesty, I would love nothing more than to be yeeted into the stratosphere.

[Alianna]

I'm not liking whiskey's willingness to throw their vote wherever.

[Alianna]

GG and congrats to the mafia!

[Alianna]

And of course, thank you for modding @the worst!

[Alianna]

They do. I think the worst might have forgotten?

[Alianna]

I just sent them a message.