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Hi there. I'll make it quick, since I have to sleep soon:
I won't vote until at least page three, so I'd have enough basis for reads. I'd prefer a no lynch on D1, so as to avoid a mislynch; however, it would grant the mafia an advantage for killing us at night. So it's better to guess a lynch and probably lynch scum, than be killed off one by one by them.
On a side note, I live in a different time zone, so I apologize if I couldn't respond immediately.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Sorry, I'm a super newbie.In post 16, Cervantes wrote:@Zipper Isn't it obvious? Joining date by no means determines one's value.
I'm not going for an "easy" target, I'm going for the first target I recognized, which is by the way the same thing you did and this is the right thing to do.
@thiscantgowrong
Sheep me more. Also, buddying with Zipper will help you a lot...not.
@Trisania you don't help a lot by stating the obvious.
Anyway, so far no one has said anything highly suspicious, so I don't want to judge people too soon.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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My timezone is GMT +8, like in Asia. I assume you guys live around America?In post 18, Cervantes wrote:Still I'd prefer you picked a vote. You don't need solid reads yet, RVS contains the word "random" for a reason. You don't acquire more information by not voting.
You mentioned that "you live in a different time zone". Different from whom? Aren't we all living in various timezones?
VOTE: thiscantgowrong
Based on how others view him and on reviewing his posts, he does seem eager to sow chaos. I also didn't like his suggestion of actually not voting yet but merely posting the people we suspect, since it implies fear of having everyone stand by their suspicions. We can always unvote someone, so it's not necessary to not write the names in bold.
@Grimgrove:
I guess it can't be helped that you find me suspicious. I'm not that good at expressing my thoughts.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Haha, it may be hard to believe, but my reason is that I realized that this thread might start having more pages for me to read the next time I log on. I'm extremely lazy, so I didn't want to have to read through all those pages. Don't worry, I'll change my vote once I have evidence to the contrary. This is just my initial vote; this is still subject to change.In post 27, thiscantgowrong wrote:
Wait a minute...the person who didn't want to vote until the third page finds another person who initially didn't want to start voting also suspicious? And sow chaos? More like start discussion.In post 26, Trisania wrote: VOTE: thiscantgowrong
Based on how others view him and on reviewing his posts, he does seem eager to sow chaos. I also didn't like his suggestion of actually not voting yet but merely posting the people we suspect, since it implies fear of having everyone stand by their suspicions. We can always unvote someone, so it's not necessary to not write the names in bold.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Could you please elaborate? I don't think I understand what you meant. I'm not familiar with all the rules... but I'll look it up.In post 30, Grimgroove wrote:@Trisiana: Whenever you put someone at L-1 (where someone only needs one more vote on them before getting lynched, ALWAYS state it)An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Okay, noted.In post 32, Cervantes wrote:@Trisania try not to play the newbie card too often, it can have the opposite effect of desired.
Basically if you see that you're second to last person voting on somebody, always tell us about it so somebody doesn't accidentally hammer (hammering means placing the last vote that effects in lynching a person). You should take a look at the mafiascum wiki, it contains popular strategies, rules as well as vocabulary used in the game.
But trust me, it never crossed my mind to "play the newbie card". It's just that the rule wasn't familiar to me, since I haven't read everything in the wiki. But ok, I'll do just that the next time I play. Sorry for my ignorance. I guess even an innocent question is viewed with suspicion around here. Guess that's how the game works.
And thanks for the tip.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Difficulties in a way that the simple things I say are interpreted as something else. But I understand that it's part of the game.In post 37, Grimgroove wrote:
Why do you think my suspicions on you have to do with you not being good at expressing your thoughts? Post 15 looks perfectly fine in that regard, I have the feeling you expressed your thoughts they way you wanted them to be expressed.In post 26, Trisania wrote:I guess it can't be helped that you find me suspicious. I'm not that good at expressing my thoughts.
What are the difficulties you encounter when trying to express your thoughts in this game? Lie down on the sofa, close your eyes, think of the ocean, and tell me.
...your second paragraph sounds a lot like a Doctor. I don't know if you're already claiming that role or you were merely being friendly.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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No, because it would make him the target of the mafia since he's the town's asset. You're probably just trying to lure him out. But that's making you look suspicious.In post 48, Grimgroove wrote:In post 46, Trisania wrote:
Difficulties in a way that the simple things I say are interpreted as something else. But I understand that it's part of the game.In post 37, Grimgroove wrote:
Why do you think my suspicions on you have to do with you not being good at expressing your thoughts? Post 15 looks perfectly fine in that regard, I have the feeling you expressed your thoughts they way you wanted them to be expressed.In post 26, Trisania wrote:I guess it can't be helped that you find me suspicious. I'm not that good at expressing my thoughts.
What are the difficulties you encounter when trying to express your thoughts in this game? Lie down on the sofa, close your eyes, think of the ocean, and tell me.
...your second paragraph sounds a lot like a Doctor. I don't know if you're already claiming that role or you were merely being friendly.
Interesting focus. Do you think it would be a good idea for the doctor to already claim?An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Your reaction just now seems so innocent and indignant that I'm almost inclined to believe you're a townie.In post 54, thiscantgowrong wrote:
Hold up! I was NOT against a lynch on day one! Re-read my first post. I was against official voting that might lead to an accidental hammer. BIG DIFFERENCE!In post 36, Grimgroove wrote:@thiscantgowrong
You speak of humility, which was what made you place a vote and go with the wisdom of the board after all. Why didn't you show said humility after GuyInFreezer, the IC, specifically said in his first post that lynching on Day 1 is a must?An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^Actually, I doubt Grimsgroove is mafia, since he did that shrink act which sort of implied he is Doc. However, that would be unlikely because claiming that role this early is suicidal and just asking the mafia to kill him. He can't also be mafia claiming doctor, because it's also too early for them to be doing that, since it would only cast suspicion upon him. Therefore, he is likely to be just a VT.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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I just remembered:
...ouch. @thiscantgowrong,...Trisania's actions say "new scum" to me. She has enough posts to be active and not targeted for being too quiet, but she's also been a bit sudden at changing her mind on strategy with weak explanations for doing so.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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You're right, I HAVE been keeping up so far, because it was a weekend a couple of days ago, and I'm not that busy with work yet. I can't predict when I'll be unavailable. I had thought that people would be filling this thread with walls, but apparently, things are going slow. I hate having to catch up and read a lot of stuff.In post 76, thiscantgowrong wrote:Since you want citations Tri, back at post 15 you said:
Then at post 26 (on the top of the second page) you voted for me. Your explanation comes in post 28.In post 15, Trisania wrote:I won't vote until at least page three, so I'd have enough basis for reads.
You're right it is hard to believe especially given how well you've kept up so far.In post 28, Trisania wrote: Haha, it may be hard to believe, but my reason is that I realized that this thread might start having more pages for me to read the next time I log on. I'm extremely lazy, so I didn't want to have to read through all those pages.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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I have a gut feel he's town. However, since it's just a gut feel, I need proof of his innocence. If I can't see any, then my vote stays.In post 79, zipperflesh wrote:
What?In post 78, Trisania wrote:@thiscantgowrong:
Anyway, I'll unvote you eventually, I'm just waiting for that one thing that will tell me you're town.
Why would you say that as town?An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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@GiF:
Yeah, sorry I overlooked your first post. I've been reading the wiki since then, though.
Hmm. If I unintentionally fished for the Doc role, at least it was mitigated by the fact that I think Grim ISN'T the doctor.
@zipper:
Oh, wow. Okay, if I can't convince you, then no one will.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Did I say "absolute"? I only said I was waiting for proof, a "tell" to tell me you're town.In post 89, thiscantgowrong wrote:
If you're looking for absolute proof in a mafia game...you're really playing the wrong game. Short of a cop declaring me innocent (since there are no godfathers) which can't happen until night. Demanding that level of certainty in the first day is more than a bit problematic.In post 81, Trisania wrote: I have a gut feel he's town. However, since it's just a gut feel, I need proof of his innocence. If I can't see any, then my vote stays.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Sorry, it won't happen again.In post 100, Grimgroove wrote:
These kind of thoughts are best kept to yourself as they don't help town in any way. Role speculation on town is scum's job and there's no need to help them with it.In post 92, Trisania wrote:Hmm. If I unintentionally fished for the Doc role, at least it was mitigated by the fact that I think Grim ISN'T the doctor.
I am getting quite a strong townread from you though, because I think as scum you would actually be more careful with sharing these thoughts. Don't make it a habit though, it's very rare that anti-town behavior earns you a townread.
On gut feels:
Cervantes - leaning scum. I'll read his ISO to check.
Montosh - null? He was sort of leaning scum, but he blasted thiscantgowrong with a wall so now I'm not sure.
WBO - town. He seems nice. :/
zipper - null. I have yet to read his ISO.
You - town.
TNE - null. Same as zipper.
GiF - town. But damn, Istalkedread his 1339 game as scum, and he is good! So we should be cautious.
These are just gut feels, so don't burn me at the stake for this. I'll read all your ISOs when I get home, since it's annoying to read and post walls using my phone.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Still reading ISOs. Wait.In post 108, Grimgroove wrote:
Why do you vote thiscantgowrong, on whom you claim to have a gut townread (post 81, when you have other people who make a less favorable impression on you? (Cervantes most notably, but also the null-reads in your list).In post 104, Trisania wrote:
Sorry, it won't happen again.In post 100, Grimgroove wrote:
These kind of thoughts are best kept to yourself as they don't help town in any way. Role speculation on town is scum's job and there's no need to help them with it.In post 92, Trisania wrote:Hmm. If I unintentionally fished for the Doc role, at least it was mitigated by the fact that I think Grim ISN'T the doctor.
I am getting quite a strong townread from you though, because I think as scum you would actually be more careful with sharing these thoughts. Don't make it a habit though, it's very rare that anti-town behavior earns you a townread.
On gut feels:
Cervantes - leaning scum. I'll read his ISO to check.
Montosh - null? He was sort of leaning scum, but he blasted thiscantgowrong with a wall so now I'm not sure.
WBO - town. He seems nice. :/
zipper - null. I have yet to read his ISO.
You - town.
TNE - null. Same as zipper.
GiF - town. But damn, Istalkedread his 1339 game as scum, and he is good! So we should be cautious.
These are just gut feels, so don't burn me at the stake for this. I'll read all your ISOs when I get home, since it's annoying to read and post walls using my phone.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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*sigh* It's hard to get a read on GiF. His posts are mostly IC mode, and berating me for my stupidity. His non-IC posts are generalized statements and can either lean to highly-experienced town or scheming scum. I still haven't gotten over the 1339 game, he impressed me so much that I'd probably NK'd or mislynched if I were in that game with him.(He is so good it's scary)Reading: Null.
Montosh barely posted, so there's not much to read from him. However, he asked thiscantgowrong twice for an explanation in his defense, which seems to be pro-town. (And I wanna correct myself. He didn't blast thiscant with a wall. A semi-wall, maybe?) Anyway, since he's about to be replaced, it wouldn't matter much what I read. Let's just hope his replacement is more active. For now, my read is: Leaning town.
Zipperflesh changed votes twice without giving much explanation on doing so. He saw thiscantgowrong as an easy target early in the game, which is weird considering we just started (and on RVS, at that) and we're supposed to be in the dark about people's roles, unless he is scum. Also, he voted for me just because he doesn't like my answer to his question. He could've at least stated why he finds it unacceptable. So, for me he is Leaning scum.
I think Cervantes is town. He doesn't post walls, but gave decent explanations whenever he was asked to clarify his opinions. Also, he encouraged me to vote, which is town-ish since even a mislynch is better than a no lynch. (Unless he is mafia trying tomappear town). Reading: Town.
*sigh* thiscantgowrong is, as much as it pains me to admit, he is town. The reason is that he boldly goes after other players (i.e. me), even though almost half the players think he is scum. He refuted my posts and even questioned them, which appears townish. But what I'm looking for from him is the townie's frustration at being the potential mislynch. Because if a person is innocent, he/she wouldn't go down without a fight. But whatever, his rebuttal on my posts constitutes a town action. I think. UNVOTE: thiscantgowrong. Don't disappoint me, townie.
Grimgroove askeda lot ofquestions, hinting that he wants to gather as much info as possible for his scumhunt. He also unvoted thiscantbewrong when he was already at L-1 instead of quick hammering him. This action screams town, because scum would notwant to stall the voting process. He did not take advantage of the opportunity to lynch.
TNE doesn't have substantial posts to go by, so I absolutely read him. *sob*. Reading: Null.
WBO is probably town. He gave decent reads on anyone, and even referenced a completed game on how GiF plays. Even if GiF is town for me for now, WBO gave me an excellent reference on how to read players. No scum would link a game on how to act town. Their secret would be exposed! Reading: Town.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Thank goodness! I've been having a hard time always typing "thiscantgowrong". Ugh, from now on he'll be tcgw. Thanks, GiF!In post 122, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also it's interesting to note that TCGW and Trisania has a trait in common that makes me townread them: transparency.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^Honest mistake, sorry. I forgot to edit my reading on you because I was so sleepy. I could barely think of a decent thing to say on the last three players. You're town, because based on that infamous 1339 game, you're more blatant in claiming town as scum. In this game, you're being vague and neutral. So you're more likely town than scum.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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[rant]The fuck, dude?! Yes, I keep making mistakes here because I don't fucking know everything. And yes, I'm playing the bloody newbie card because I AM new, and I do not know the proper execution of the rules here. I have read the wiki, but that does not immediately educate me about everything here.Post50: Good lord, still talking about PR. Somebody needs to tell Trisania, we don’t do this. If this is a scum move trying to out the PR, it can’t get much more obvious than this.
Damn it, it's embarassing enough that I've been told off by an IC, so you guys don't need to rub it in. Fine, see me as scum, but heck, better that than be a Village Idiot, which I'm feeling better suits my idiocy so far.[/rant]An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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And the colors mean...?In post 141, Grimgroove wrote:Trisania
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...buddying?
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^It's Trisania, ugh. I'm not voting because I'm still trying to decipher the intent on all the posts. And according to the Wiki, townhunting is just as important as scumhunting, since knowing your allies would enable you to deduce who the scum are. So for the moment, my priority is finding out who the other townies are. I have to reassess my reads because I have null reads. I need to reread everything and at least identify who the possible 7 townies are, so that the remaining 2 would come out as scum. Am I making sense here?An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^Why are you even saying that? I already posted my inital reads after reading all your ISOs. It was posted on page 6. Did you even see that? Because what you're saying is that I haven't done anything at all. I even answered your question on what my gut feels on the others were.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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You want a page-by-page opinion from me, like what hayato did? Fine, just you wait when I get on my laptop. I have to eat dinner first, though. Thinking too much starves me.
I'm not voting YET. Could you be patient? I don't plan on voting without a decent reason to back it up. I hard work earlier, so I could only post short messages. I just got home and I have yet to eat. BE EFFING PATIENT. You're triggering my PMS freak-out mode. Ugh.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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@Zipper:
Wow, and you never considered that I blew up because it's annoying to be always reminded of your mistakes?
VOTE: zipperflesh
Because you annoy me and you're the only player leaning scum on my list. Also, you refuse to share you reason for wanting to sheep hayato, which is reminiscent of you changing your votes twice without proper reason.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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I hope you're not affected by the typhoon.In post 181, thenewearth wrote:I'll answer your questions later.
I don't feel too cool today.
*cough* and prod dodge *cough*An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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Yup. We're safe from typhoons, though.
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Finally! Someone who understands what I'm feeling. I thought I'm the only one who feels that way. *sob*In post 187, WBOCampfire1104 wrote:I'm starting to understand how people feel when they get voted: REALLY PISSED. I'm trying not to be a jerk and always countervote, but zipperflesh, you are on my list, as I checked our ISO and it's mostly meaningless remarks or votes without major explanation. I'll still read all the ISOs. It's not my fault my iPod broke down.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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...I think TNE's "I-don't-care" attitude implies he's either:
1. Scum that still feels safe because even if you think he's scum, you haven't identified yet who his partner is, so lack of links thereof would somehow prove his innocence,
2. He's town, so he wouldn't bother to explain his innocence, or3. He's in a bad mood because of stuff happening iRL.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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...uhm... Town, for now. I'd feel bad if I vote for him again after I've unvoted him. I'll have to read into your walls to confirm that.In post 211, hayatoBL wrote:@Trisania
You have made theories on TNE’s alignment. Which one do you think TNE belongs to? Scum or town?An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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I don't think scum would say this.In post 228, thiscantgowrong wrote:
Just a note, don't feel bad about voting against me again after you unvoted. With new information people tend to change their minds, nothing wrong with that.In post 225, Trisania wrote:
...uhm... Town, for now. I'd feel bad if I vote for him again after I've unvoted him. I'll have to read into your walls to confirm that.In post 211, hayatoBL wrote:@Trisania
You have made theories on TNE’s alignment. Which one do you think TNE belongs to? Scum or town?An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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One more prod and he'll be replaced. I think. So it's also likely that he's just busy with real life for the game. But you're right; he could also be flying under the radar, since he could have also asked for a replacement if he really didn't have time for the game.
So I'll also VOTE: Cervantes
He was starting to lean scum for me, anyway.
Damn that zipperflesh, I really thought he was scum after that hammer.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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@hayato: My town read on him "yesterday" was more than real world days ago. It changed when he said this:
He hasn't posted anything since then, even short comments on the wall posts. True, he could have been really busy. But as I said, he could have requested for a replacement days ago if that was the case.In post 204, Cervantes wrote:Was away from home last few days. Catching up atm.
I will revise my vote once I see someone else more scum read-worthy.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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I already explained this in my response to hayato.In post 248, Grimgroove wrote:
No reaction to this?In post 243, Grimgroove wrote:Both votes on Cervantes today are very weird considering the motivations that precede them.
Last chance...
You're right. I also noticed that GIF's posts don't contain anything significant enough to help us figure out what he thinks about people. His posts are mostly IC-related.In post 249, Grimgroove wrote:Also, let me tell you right now: Nobody Special lurks.
I guess his quest as an IC is to make people familiar with the concept of a lurker. Not perfectly sure how that is helpful, but that's what you'll be getting. His promise of catching up "in the late afternoon" and then dissappearing for a couple of days is perfectly normal behavior in his case and a null-tell. Good luck figuring that one out but when you find yourself at a loss of clear scumreads it's Always a good idea to put your vote behind his name.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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@hayato: Why am I scummy for you?
@Grim: Even if TNE's lynch would have been "inevitable", someone could've unvoted for him eventually if zipperflesh hadn't hammered. When he did that, I couldn't help but think it was a scummy move. But then he was killed and flipped town, so there goes my scum read.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^a.) I didn't feel like voting because those were just initial reads and still subject to change. It was the first day, I think, so there was no need to rush the lynching.
b.) I don't think I was fence-sitting. TCGW for me was already town, and TNE didn't feel like scum to me. Zipperflesh was my scum vote. True, it was a counter-vote for his vote on me, but I stood by my decision regardless of the two more popular bandwagons. Why would I bother hammering someone I don't think is scum? His rudeness and I-don't-care attitude on his impending lynch convinced me of his innocence.
c.) I object. True, I have fluff posts, but they're not that many. I hate posting walls; I'm too lazy. And walls of posts don't necessarily mean you're town, anyway. Scum can also post walls to appear innocent and interested in scum-hunting.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^Regarding your previous game where you hinted at being PR:
I couldn't even tell you were already crumbing. And the so-called "soft claim" you did in this game is way too obvious to be your style of crumbing. So you're obviously not the doctor.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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UNVOTE: Cervantes
Because he is getting replaced, which obviously explains that his inactivity is due to real-life concerns, and not because of trying to stay under the radar as scum. I also want to see how his replacement plays and observe how he interacts with us before scum-reading him.
Which brings me to the next person that I'm suspecting: GIF/Nobody Special. No offense to NS, but your predecessor's post didn't contribute much to scum-hunting. His posts were mostly IC-related. Though I was at first shifting from Null to Town reads on him, I somehow ended up suspecting him instead, because the contents/weight of his posts haven't changed even until his last post as player. And when you came to replace him, you just lurked and didn't give much opinions on anyone except Grim, who for me is town.
So I'd like your reads on everyone, so I'd get an idea on your view on this game.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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@hayato:
a) What's wrong with not voting sooner? I wasn't in much of a hurry, and I just wanted to post my opinion on other people. Of course the reads are subject to change: the longer the day drags on, the more a person's posts indicate his/her alignment. I changed my initial vote on TCGW because he gave justifications on his innocence. He was able to defend himself despite having a lot of voters. This made him townier than ZF, who didn't post much except sheep a wagon and hammer TNE. If he had defended himself, I would have changed my vote. I don't fear making enemies; I wouldn't have given the OMGUS vote on ZF if I feared attention.
b) No, I wasn't inconsistent. You asked me what I think his alignment was, and I said he might be town, though I didn't stress on it. And it was reinforced by the fact that he was consistent on being rude and uncaring on his impending death.
c) It made me think Cervantes was merely lurking after he posted that.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^That's quite a shallow and scummy reason, the same way you find my reason for voting Cervantes as scummy.
If it helps you understand my PoV, this was how I analyzed Cervantes:
Was inactive = probably busy iRL
Showed up and posted that post = ok, prod dodge. He'll probably post some reads soon
Didn't post anything anymore = someone (Grim, I think) commented Cervantes was lurking
The comment made sense, and since lurking is more or less a scumtell, and since he hadn't made significant posts as if trying to go under the radar, I considered him scum.
And I unvoted him to give his replacement a chance to prove himself town.
I can't help but feel you're tunneling me, hayato.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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@hayato:
1. A person can still participate in discussions without voting first. It is better that way than voting early on and appear very inconsistent due to constantly changing votes. People will see you as scum that way regardless of your alignment. I did just that in an informal mafia game at another site, and I personally felt incompetent because I couldn't decide on a vote.
2. My initial assessment on TNE was leaning town anyway, so I see no reason for you to make a big deal out of it and see it as scummy.
I can't help but feel you're buddying Grim, the same way you're tunneling me.
@fferyllt:
On TCGW being town: It's more along the lines of: "I'll change my vote if I can later on see you're town."
As the day dragged on and he posted decent defense on his side, I thought maybe he IS town, but he hasn't displayed the usual frustration of a townie facing a lynch, so I have to wait for that before unvoting him.
On Dr. crumbing: It was an honest mistake. I got stupidly excited at first when I thought Grim was hinting at being the doctor. I didn't know it was rolefishing (and anti-town).
At my rant: English is not my native language.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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^I would have to say GIF/NS, because of GIF'S IC-related posts. (I agree with your observation on that, and I've previously expressed it as well)
Hayato is a scum read for me too, because he seems to be blatantly buddying Grim while tunneling me.An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she tells you isn't the one you think you hear.-
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