Newbie 1673: University of Mafiascum Class 108 - D4- OVER!

[newbieinmafia]

/confirm

[newbieinmafia]

Hi guys,
It seems like we should be out of RVS so I won't be voting.
For now, I find EE over-analyzing or reaching. Kahlan didn't threaten to vote you because you are voting her. She merely defended herself. But I am not sure if EE's jumping to conclusion is scummy or not so I am not willing to put him at L-1. I find it too early since someone can accidentally (or scum) hammer to end the day early.
I find most others (Usted, Drixx and Kahlan; although I agree with EE that Kahlan uses her newbie card a lot) null except Dominator.
@Dominator Why join the wagon and park your vote if you are V/LA?

FoS: Dominator

I am not voting Dom because he's V/LA and I don't want to push someone who might not be there.

Also, to someone who asked how much experience we have, I don't have much but I have been reading a few games here and played a game here a few months ago but I replaced out due to not having enough time.

[newbieinmafia]

That's fine. I just don't like voting much until later in the day.

[newbieinmafia]

I just said that I'm scum reading you. On top of that, nowhere did I state that I have "...no intention in sharing those things...", so you are misrepresenting me on multiple levels.

Ding ding ding. We've got scum caught in the first 50 posts.

This is scummy as all hell.

Why is it scummy?

If you are talking about the second part, as far as I know, being overly confident about having caught scum early is not scummy.
If you have different reason, then I would like to hear it.

[newbieinmafia]

Although I disagree with 71, I like the post. I would also be suspicious of someone who's trying to drive you to L-1 early in the day. But this site seems to be the one where people drive others to L-1 to get reaction or claim so it's probably not a lack of confidence but more of over confidence.

Also I am fine with 75.

[newbieinmafia]

the way I read it he was first saying "you're scum for sure" and then following up with "I can't read you so let's push to L-1 so I can read you"

We are gonna have to agree to disagree on it because I find it more as him trying to get reaction to further confirm his reads.

[newbieinmafia]

Ok. What do you think of kahlan and that whole interaction?

I find Kahlan null. I find her a bit iffy(?) in the beginning but as I read more, I think she was just trying to get use to how things are around here.
Do you mean the interaction between you and her or her and Drixx?
You and her: I think you are being overzealous. Some of the things you accused her of doing, she never said it and I don't see her implying it. I have posted an example in my first post: 64
Her and Drixx: they don't seem like a scum team because she probably would have ask her questions in mafia PT.

[newbieinmafia]

You can shorten it however you want or even get a different nickname as long as I can tell you are talking to me or about me.

I also like workdawg's post. nothing pops out at me yet.

[newbieinmafia]

So, are you scum? Probably, but lynching you isn't going to give us any information as to who the other mafia is. That, or you're just a clueless townie with nothing to do.

Why not? If we look at the interactions again later, we might find something.

@EE - I am pretty sure that we are out of RVS by the time I first posted. I never said anyone's playstyle is wrong though and I am keeping an open mind about things that others may find differently. I only posted what I thought; either I agree or disagree, there is nothing wrong with that.

[newbieinmafia]

oops sorry, I saw you mention me and read the next sentences as if you talking to me as well.
Re-reading it again, you are right.

[newbieinmafia]

I really don't like how Drixx wagon developed in a small amount of time. 122 in particular, sounds opportunistic since Drixx's playstyle has not been very popular. Ness called out Drixx scummy in 68 but didn't follow up with a vote. Instead, voted for EE in 72. In the same post, he said Drixx is null town. So I don't understand how he goes from null town to scum.

I know I said I don't like voting much early but I really don't like 122. So,
VOTE: Ness

@EE - why do you wait until someone voted for Drixx?
I also don't like how EE jumps votes from one person to another quite easily. It seems like he's keeping his lynch option open so when someone questioned him after a flip, he can fall back on saying he thought the person was scum and already voted for them.

Re 139: I agree but I don't think they planned it out in detail on the first (real-time) day and feel like Drixx would tell her not to sheep as well. These assumptions are based off my experience and a gut read. So, I am not completely denying the possibility. It's just my initial read.

Spoiler: RQS

What's your avatar? Ik-soo from Akatsuki no Yona
What's your time zone? EST
How often do you expect to post? I hope to post once a day.
Which player in the game do you know best? maybe Drixx because I have been reading one of their game.
Yellow button, green button or red button? Yellow

[newbieinmafia]

@EE - I understand what you mean but I find it worrying that you find half the players scummy and that you said you read posts in "scummiest light" on day 1. atm, my guts say you are not scum though because scum probably won't want to stand out so much.

[newbieinmafia]

Yes~

[newbieinmafia]

also @Drixx, can you address Work's concern in 141 about why you choose to focus on scum motivation but not town motivation when you said the post wasn't alignment indicative. And what would be the town motivation?

[newbieinmafia]

@Kahlan - even though I said scum probably wouldn't want to stand out much, it's pretty weak reasoning, which is why I attribute it to gut feeling.
also, I think you are misunderstanding workdawg's post. and his sig is not alignment indicative~ he will have that sig whether he drew town or scum.

[newbieinmafia]

everyone can say they are townie but that doesn't mean anything.
I already explained my vote in 144.

[newbieinmafia]

No it's not because you voted for someone. It's the way you voted.

And it's not helping the town if you claim VT (vanilla townie) when you don't need to. It's only helping scum because you are giving them more information.

[newbieinmafia]

okay then, I will put my explanation in question form.
1. Why did you not vote Drixx when you call him out for being scummy?
2. What makes you go from Drixx being null town (you said it in 72) to scum?

[newbieinmafia]

Re 168: I am okay with your answers (the last quote is after the vote though) and I am inclined to believe your claim because I have seen it happen in the few games I read. But I still don't like that vote and strike me as opportunistic so I like my vote the way it is right now.

About soul, I also have nothing to say yet, sorry.

[newbieinmafia]

Now that soul mentioned it, I went back to ISO Usted. When I first read 132 and 138, I was thinking 'Huh?' but I didn't dwell on it, so now I am gonna go back to it.

@Usted - About 132, why would ness use RQS to divert attention away from Drixx train when he, himself, got on it (also when he did RQS, the focus was on EE)? and if ness/drixx are scum team, why would drixx call out ness for RQS when everyone else is just going along with it? And about 138, it doesn't make sense for ness to bus drixx when it's not obvious that drixx will get lynched.

I am not saying ness/drixx scum team is impossible but I am not seeing the connection.

[newbieinmafia]

185 was an interesting read.
But EE already said scum are usually in middle of the wagon so if Ness were to push wagons in the middle, wouldn't that make it obvious?

No way to defend myself right now because i have no idea how to.

since I don't have a lot of experience, I can't give you much advice but what I would do is rebut the case against you and then go on with scum hunt to help the town. whether others believe your defense/argument is up to them.

[newbieinmafia]

My vote was RVS.

It's not so random since you joined the wagon and put him at L-2. If EE wagon had somehow developed to an early lynch, yours would be the one without even interacting with EE as you would be in V/LA.

[newbieinmafia]

Interesting vote count, especially with the context of how it got that way.

What's interesting about it?

[newbieinmafia]

Even though I started it, I also found Ness wagon a bit weird.

Read-list: (this is where I am at right now- most of the stuff are what I have talked about before; would probably need to reread when I have time)

Ness

: newbtown or scum. Despite my vote, I am actually leaning toward newbtown, which is why I am also not that comfortable about Ness wagon. His claim and defense seems like something newbtown would do. His thought process seemed like how I played my first game.

EE

: I like his read list and he's been pretty consistent.

Work

: I like that he points out some of the things I find iffy but wasn't sure what it was. Also he explained about my ness vote better than I do.

Drixx

: I don't like that he is not sharing much of his thoughts, so I can't really read him.

Kahlan

: I actually don't know how to read her.

Usted

: I like his beginning posts (his reason for RVS for me is null though), but his vote on drixx is a bit strange, considering he hadn't interact with him. And I don't like his Drixx/Ness scum team explanation.

Soul

: His posts are interesting but there is something I couldn't put my finger on. It's possible that I just need to get use to newer people because I tend to do that.

Dominator

: Its explanation about RVS isn't satisfying but I am not ready for his lynch yet.

I haven't decided on who I want to lynch atm though.

[newbieinmafia]

@Zar - Workdawg is the one who said he's V/LA, not Dominator.

~. Thanks. I had assumed WD would be V/LA until Sat, but not through. I'm withdrawing his Prod. ~~~.Zar

[newbieinmafia]

UNVOTE:
Ness already claimed so unless we are sure about this lynch, putting him at L-1 for claim is useless.

[newbieinmafia]

Newbie - It worries me how much you fly under my radar. And I just realized you've been on Ness a lot longer than I thought. (Noted above.)

You can ask me questions/push me or whatever.

@Kahlan - While Ness played 5 games of mafia, I assumed that he meant he is not completely new to the concept of mafia but he may be new to forum mafia since he didn't specify where he played at so.

@EE - I am not liking Ness' latest posts for reasons you stated but I don't want to end the day early (we had about 9 days left). We also have a slot (Dom) whom we haven't heard much from and I am assuming he hadn't caught up yet either. We also have other slots to hear from so I don't feel that we need to rush.
I am not against Ness lynch but I am against early lynch.

[newbieinmafia]

Ness, please address all the questions or concerns that people asked of you. Even if you are lynched, they may help us in some way.

The latter I understand. however, I think I could see a Dom/Ness scum team and so I don't feel too bad about ending today now, particularly because I feel like a lot of last minute lynches happen and it ends up being town because we haven't had time to talk it through and things, so I want to avoid that as much as possible.

Early lynches I have seen also happen to be town, so...? also if it's a last minute lynch, we have had more time to talk because it's not ended early..? I am not understanding what you are trying to say here. And I am not thinking of putting it at last minute. I don't mind if we end it a few days early but not when we have more than a week left now.

[newbieinmafia]

@EE- I understand what you mean about last minute lynches. I don't like them either because it's hard to analyze wagon and I would also get on it just so we don't end up with no lynch. There's also problem with missing deadlines since many of us are on at different times.

[newbieinmafia]

small update to my read:
Kahlan seems town.

[newbieinmafia]

Why not?

There are a few I wouldn't mind lynching but I haven't narrowed it down.

[newbieinmafia]

Why not?

There are a few I wouldn't mind lynching but I haven't narrowed it down.

What I'm asking is why not me?

I wouldn't mind lynching you. I just said not yet because I assumed you haven't caught up and haven't said anything except a few words about EE.

[newbieinmafia]

Soulmarch and Kahlan just jumped up the scum list with blatant opportunism on display.

Why not workdawg and me, considering others have already expressed an interest in lynching dom before my post?

[newbieinmafia]

I am a bit confused. Were you talking about me or soul in 291?

[newbieinmafia]

@Workdawg
I'm still very busy but i'm trying. I never promised that i'd get my reads up, just sometime near the end of the day. If it came off as a promise i broke then i'm sorry.

I will get my reads in at some point. I'll leave it at that.

If you do it near the end of the day, we probably won't have enough time to discuss it.

[newbieinmafia]

Crap. He was calling soul scum. Ugh. My bad there, sorry. :/.

It's okay. I will address though that I am usually cautious in the beginning. I don't say everything I want to because I don't want to influence the conversation or perhaps cut them off too early.

[newbieinmafia]

@Zar, can you prod Usted and Dominator? Usted has not posted for more than 48 hours and Dominator almost 48 hours.

[newbieinmafia]

The game has gotten pretty stale for me and it's nearing the deadline so I will put Ness back to L-1.
I think it's the best thing I could do under the circumstances.

VOTE: Ness

Ness is now at L-1.

Please do not hammer before stating an intent to hammer and give others more time to discuss.

[newbieinmafia]

For what reasoning? How is that the best thing you could do when looking for reads?

This is scum here folks, your band wagoning me for litterally no reasoning/not giving any feedback as to why this is. You'll enjoy my flip guys, newbie is mafia after i'm lynched.

The reason I unvote was because I don't want to put you at L-1 early. My reason for scum reading you still stand despite me thinking you might be newbtown.

[newbieinmafia]

didn't*

[newbieinmafia]

I would go with whichever makes you comfortable. If you are not comfortable with the lynch, then there is no need to hammer. After the flip, it's better to analyze all the players, as in why are they on the wagon and why are they not on the wagon. As others have said, it's the intention and motivation behind each decisions that count.

It took me a few days to decide on putting Ness back to L-1 after considering various factors and what I generally think is the best I could do.

Welcome Huntress~

[newbieinmafia]

Newbie: Asks plenty of questions but i don't understand why they put me at L-1. They claim its 'the best they can do" But i don't understand how putting me at L-1 is any good. Null town, but i'm leaning a bit more towards Town.

I thought it's the best action because out of everyone else, I find your action to be scummiest. The way you have been putting off to give read list or didn't engage in the game doesn't help the town. Yes, you said you are busy but you could have also used that as an excuse. Also during that time, the games wasn't moving forward at all even though we are nearing deadline. So by narrowing down my lynch target and trying to have the game more active, I put you at L-1.

[newbieinmafia]

How would i use IRL stuff as an excuse? Literally thats stooping pretty dang low.

You're saying my actions are scummy, but you also say i'm scum for inactivity/excuses?

I said you are not helping town.

[newbieinmafia]

you can also state an intent to hammer so others can put in their last thoughts before hammering, no?

[newbieinmafia]

We don't have a great deal of time left, and I don't think we have time for me to try and push Usted, so I'm going to give intent to hammer.

I can get behind Usted wagon. I get a scummy vibe from his latest posts but didn't mention it because I didn't think we will have enough time to push Usted.

@Ness - If I am wrong, sorry Ness.

[newbieinmafia]

What are you finding scummy about Usted? All I've got are a couple of possible associative tells but that's not enough to vote on without a scum flip.

It's not a very strong case because it's based on my assumption about Ness' alignment. So I think Ness' flip might support the case or make me rethink it a bit. But Usted would have been my second choice for day 1 lynch.

[newbieinmafia]

That's why we need to lynch Ness first.

I was thinking Drixx might have a stronger case but you are right.

Vote NESS

I think it needs to have : for the vote to count (?)

[newbieinmafia]

I think Usted needs serious looking into tomorrow regardless of what Ness flips,

but especially if he flips scum

. Two intents and no movement isn't great

I was actually thinking the other way around.

[newbieinmafia]

Based on the NK choice, it seemed too obvious for Usted to be mafia so I don't know (not sure I want to get into WIFOM this early). I am gonna have to reread.
I was hoping Drixx would be alive for at least one more day.

[newbieinmafia]

I think Drixx was killed because scum thought that he might be PR. He doesn't look very town (similar to one of his game, where not a lot of players were reading him town) so scum probably thought that he was trying to lay low, as not to draw the NK.

Re 406: I would have done it with poison.

My case against Usted is more or less similar to Work's. What caught my attention was 309. Considering he had explained Ness/Drixx scum team, why didn't he vote for Ness but instead voted for Khalan? One of his explanation goes way back to the beginning where people are questioning RVS and the other is something Drixx pointed out that could also pertain to soul. Usted then goes on to say that Khalan's inconsistency is scummy but didn't refer back to any of her posts to support it. If you think she's scummy, then you should be trying to make others to vote with you, especially since it's only a few days away from the deadline. So, that vote feels like you are just voting for her because you didn't want to join the Ness wagon since people will be analyzing it once Ness flips town.

@Zar - I will be V/LA until Monday.

[newbieinmafia]

Re 410: Ness was at L-2 when you voted for Khalan. I had no problem with you posting an intent to hammer and waited for Ness and others to give their last thoughts. What I had problem with is that you didn't put Ness at L-1 but instead voted for Khalan without making a case for it.

[newbieinmafia]

Granted, I don't expect people to make a case every time they vote for someone. But it was nearing the deadline and if you think Khalan is scum, you would have at least support your points with evidence.

[newbieinmafia]

I was already voting for Ness. I unvoted because I didn't want others to hammer early. I just put back my vote because the game is getting stale and it's nearing the deadline. I voted at Friday night so we will have the weekends to discuss more and give more pressure to Ness.

Ness is the one I talked about the most though.

[newbieinmafia]

Also I am asking for some of the inconsistency that Khalan posted that you think are scummy. Without giving examples or referring back to her posts, I don't know which one you want me to focus on.

[newbieinmafia]

Honestly, I am not sure what to make of the recent events but I agree with most of what Work's saying.

I like Work and Khalan for town. Considering Usted soft claimed PR, I will put him as town too. Through this (PoE), I have soul, Hunt and EE as possible scums. I liked EE in the beginning but he had become pretty much null to me. So I think soul and Hunt have higher chance of being scum.

For soul, I like his posts but I will agree with Usted that they contain a lot of flavor and I also don't like his change of tone toward Drixx when Drixx started to push him a bit.
For Huntress, she hasn't shared much and looking back at her ISO, it feels like she's just coasting through. I don't see a lot of scum hunting from her.

[newbieinmafia]

My scumhunting has mostly been by reading so far this game. I've probably read most of it about three times now but not really found any decent scum tells; just a lot of stuff that I keep second-guessing myself over. My read on Workdawg is mainly gut based on his Day one play.

What about his day one play that makes you gut read him scum?

How do you feel about newbie?

How do you feel about newbie?

Well I'd say that claiming now is pretty decent. They either spend the next 2-4 nights trying to kill me with JK(if we have one) protecting me (Or it would give two chances for the town tracker to find who is visiting me).

No point in JK protecting you (because you have the bulletproof) or Tracker tracking you (because you won't be targeting anyone at night).

I still don't think soul is a good vote, usted. *sigh* maybe kahlan? Whoever it is plays a good scum game, I think.

Why Kahlan? You just said she's a strong town.

[newbieinmafia]

I want to reassure you that your possible message to the other PR is not disrupted in any way and the Mafia have not gained any additional information. I do hope that the other PR can make something useful out of it, perhaps on D4 this will come back up and be useful.

That's not true. Mafia now knows the exact setup and can narrow down the other PR (thus higher chance of hitting the other PR).

Sure, there is always a chance I'm wrong. And if he makes it to the end and flips scum, I'll feel real silly. But given the information, I'll take that chance.

If he's scum, then he won't make it to the end because of counterclaim (there is no reason why BP shouldn't CC him at this point).

[newbieinmafia]

I will be okay with either soul or Huntress lynch today for reasons I have stated in 440. So,
VOTE: Huntress

@EE - Can you answer my other question in 458?

@Zar - Can you prod Kahlan? Thanks!

[newbieinmafia]

It's fine to criticize other's play but let's not add insult to it.

I like EE's response to my question. It feels town.
Also like soul's recent posts but Workdawg made a good point about role fishing.
I don't think there is a need for other town players to know the setup, especially on day 2.

[newbieinmafia]

I think there is a higher chance that both scum are on Ness wagon. The ones who are not on it are Ness (obviously), Drixx, Usted and Huntress. Three are confirmed town (I included Usted because there has been no CC).

umm I think I will unvote for now.
UNVOTE:

[newbieinmafia]

Re 495: How did soul start the Ness wagon though? I and Workdawg are already voting for Ness by the time soul voted. By that, you can even say I started Ness wagon.
About EE, him hammering Ness is not scummy. Before he voted, others (Drixx, Usted and Huntress) had express the intent to hammer. It's only a matter of time before Ness is lynched.
What about Huntress feels like town? because I am not seeing it.

Re 497: EE, who are your top two scum?

[newbieinmafia]

Just because I don't really show emotions, doesn't mean I am scum though. I can't even defend myself against it because it's just how I play.

[newbieinmafia]

Now with you pointing out that you and workdawg started the ness wagon.. It has me thinking if we base it off what eagle said about in his experience scum usually rides the middle of the wagon and if I'm right in thinking that both scum were on the wagon that would mean scum might very well be you newbie, workdawg ,or me.

I am confused as to why you are looking at those who started the wagon if you are basing it off what Eagle had said. He said scum rides in the middle, so wouldn't you look at middle then? And why me over Work? What about me that you find is scummy?

Also I just feel like huntress is town but I also don't have a lot to really good by in the ways of reads yet. I'll wait until she actually plays more like she said she would to actually say for sure if she is scum or not. I think if she was telling the truth about playing more that she should have the chance to play. But If you don't feel like huntress is town then why aren't you pushing to lynch her with eagle?

I was voting for Huntress. I unvoted after reading Soul response to your question. It made me look at the wagon again to see who voted and who didn't. I missed that 3 out of 4 not on the wagon are confirmed town. So if I am calculating the probability correct (it had always been my weak point in math though), the chances of both scum being on the wagon are higher.

Due to a lack of content, I don't find her actions necessarily scummy but it's not helping the town either. As town, one should also be contributing to allow others to read them. If we get to lylo, it won't be good to leave a spot that doesn't give you a lot of read because you can't just rely on gut alone. That is why I asked you what you find about Huntress is town.

I did find one thing I liked about that spot but it was when Dom was there. Others will probably feel indifferent about what I liked though.

And me being fine with her lynch and me wanting to push her is completely different. If you look at my iso, I am not the type to push others a lot. I will leave that to those who push to get reads, like Eagle or Workdawg.

[newbieinmafia]

*I missed that 3 out of 4 on the wagon are confirmed town.
Sorry, I don't know how 'not' got in there.

[newbieinmafia]

Nevermind. Ignore what I said on 521. My initial post was correct~ my mind is not working well today.

[newbieinmafia]

@Kahlan -I am sorry but I just can't follow that theory. The fact that Eagle stated way in the beginning that scum usually are in the middle of a wagon, wouldn't scum be careful of not staying in the middle? This has WIFOM all over it that I wouldn't use it as a way to find scum.

Just because there is a higher possibility of both scum on Ness wagon, it doesn't make Huntress completely town. Especially if people can't give me at least one action of hers that makes them town-read her. From what I have read, they either have her as null (because of lack of content) or scum (through PoE or for being helpful to town).

For day 2, my top two picks are Soul and Huntress (I have stated this in my previous post). But if you want me to pick both from Ness wagon, then Soul and Work (because I like Eagle as town even though I go back and forth for him as town or null). I like Work's reasoning though so I don't want him lynched today.

1. Ness was not lynched completely due to lack of content. Go look at Ness iso and Huntress/Dom iso, they are different.

2. I don't see the need to vote for her now. I can vote for her later in the day if her posts still haven't convinced me that she's town.

[newbieinmafia]

(through PoE or for *not being helpful to town)

[newbieinmafia]

Because there is no real way to know the answer except scum themselves. I am not sure how to explain it but you can check it in wiki page.

Spoiler: WIFOM

In this case, Eagle said that scum rides in the middle of the wagon. Scum knows that so they will try to avoid staying in the middle but town knows that scum would try to avoid it so scum can try and outsmart town by staying in the middle... and etc. Basically circular reasoning so there is no way to know which action scum takes.

That wagon theory could work (but most of the time, wagon analysis is used in combination with other things) if Eagle hadn't state it out right from the beginning since there is a possibility that scum may not know it and/or scum doesn't know that some town use that in their wagon analysis.

I don't know if scum uses WIFOM a lot but Workdawg was probably saying that Usted is using WIFOM to defend himself.

[newbieinmafia]

I read about what Huntress said in one of the few games I read. I don't know if it's banned but the person who explained his RVS using RNG was questioned because the point of RVS is to get into discussion quickly but RNG doesn't help with that.

Giving intent to hammer Huntress

- probably tomorrow night

[newbieinmafia]

I read about what Huntress said in one of the few games I read. I don't know if it's banned but the person who explained his RVS using RNG was questioned because the point of RVS is to get into discussion quickly but RNG doesn't help with that.

Giving intent to hammer Huntress

- probably tomorrow night

Could you elaborate a little more on why you find Huntress scummy?

Not a lot of scum hunting. I mentioned about her in 440 and 520.
Why do you find Huntress scummy?

I had to go back and review the current vote count to make sure where we stand because I just remembered that we are fast approaching the deadline. I would prefer a lynch on Soul or Eagle (not EE... just noticed your sig), but apparently no one agrees with me at all. As I said above, TheDom's original "RVS" vote and Huntress' not so great (IMO) justification of it is a big hit to her townie-ness (again, IMO), so I wouldn't be upset about lynching her today. My record as town is pretty bad, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if my reads are just totally off.

I am okay with either Soul or Huntress lynch.

[newbieinmafia]

I didn't unvote because of your vote.

Eagle responses seem more town to me than soul/huntress. I switch between town and null for him. I had him at null before but then his answer in 473 feels town. scum!him might not have mentioned about Direfire (if Eagle was trying to throw suspicions at me) whom he also feels is detached like me but he misread and that player turns out to be town.

[newbieinmafia]

Usted, what's your read on Huntress?

[newbieinmafia]

I don't think all this talk about RVS help us since Dom is not here to answer for himself. I did like 581 but it's not enough for me to town read Huntress.
Since Eagle hadn't respond to what had happened, I will wait for what he had to say.

I want to also point out that usted is no longer voting for her and he is town, I'm not voting for her and I'm town. So if you or newbie decide to vote for her and lynch her that would mean her supposed partner in crime the other scum member is willing to lynched her. So either huntress is not scum or her partner doesn't like her very much if they are willing to lynch her.

Or scum could be bussing for town-cred.

[newbieinmafia]

I will hammer at around 11 p.m. (in about 50 minutes). Any last words?

[newbieinmafia]

VOTE: Huntress

[newbieinmafia]

I don't remember her PR slip. I think she's night killed because she was town-read by almost everyone.
Also rereading. At page 5 but nothing yet.

[newbieinmafia]

Sorry, I have gotten pretty busy this week so I haven't finished rereading. I will try to finish by Friday and give a more content (sort of-- since I am not good with long posts) read list on either Friday or Saturday.

Post 492 - newbie unvotes (L-2) - no reason given

I gave my reason in the same post.

To me, the "RVS voting shenanigans" case is grasping at straws at best. I have said it before that I like 581 as I kind of agree with what Huntress said. I would say your case against EE or soul is stronger than your "RVS voting" case against Huntress.

[newbieinmafia]

I haven't finished reading. I still don't think Eagle is scum though.

[newbieinmafia]

I have clearly stated that I have gotten really busy this week. I was planning on finishing up tomorrow because I have some time then and post my reads on Saturday. It's not unreasonable considering we will still have a week left by then and I am not pushing it until near the deadline.

Funny how you call me and Eagle out when soul has been doing the exact same thing. And you haven't given us anything other than listing names of people you think are scum. If that's what you want us to do, I can easily just list out 2 names and I have 66% of getting it right.

[newbieinmafia]

bah my reads suck. Now, I would have said workdawg is our other scum if soul hadn't pushed usted about the PR thing, although I kind of understand where soul is coming from. I am not sure anymore.

[newbieinmafia]

Good game!

Zar, I would like a feedback please (:

[newbieinmafia]

The fact that Soul got left up after Eagle had HARD defended him made no sense to me.

I don't think I ever understood why Eagle buddied me so much. If he's around, I'd love to hear from him.

If Eagle hadn't defended you, I would have voted you at some point in day 2 lol
You did well though. I am not even sure why I was scumreading you. Probably should have avoided PoE early in the game.

[newbieinmafia]

Thank you! Hesitancy is part of my personality that I really should work on. Same with not standing out.
I also need to have more than one scumread at a time so I don't leave my vote open then.