VOTE: Freshman
Let's get the ball rolling.
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In post 10, hiplop wrote:
I thought it would be nice to get to know you guys; afterall we will be residing in the same town for a few days![]()
1) Have anyone of you played any off-site games?
2)How about on-site games? If so; How Many?
3) How would you describe yourself as an individual?
4) What do you think you will be remembered for this game?
5) Why are you not scum? (:P)
6) Favourite pizza topping?
7) Favourite Movie?
8) Favourite Song/band/music genre?
VOTE: witch hunter agent 47 is a an assassin which is pretty close to a hungarian mafia member IMO
In post 16, Kim wrote:4) Logical posts that lead to a mislynch.
In post 18, Bluebird wrote:In post 16, Kim wrote:3) Irrespective of the validity of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, INTP fits me almost perfectly.
Well, I would have put that also, but I didn't think anyone would know what I meantCongrats on beating me to it.
In post 17, Witch_Hunter wrote:In post 16, Kim wrote:4) Logical posts that lead to a mislynch.
Isn't thatpreciselywhat scum would say? "Look, I may look really scummy, but I'm a townie. No, really!"
It could be just your personality, but it sounds suspicious.
In post 28, Smudger wrote:Hey Witch have you heard of RVS?
In post 46, Smudger wrote:serious vote
In post 53, Kim wrote:I think that hiplop's actions are worthy of pressure.
In post 56, Kim wrote:
I get your overall gist, but what do you mean by 60%? I'm assuming it's not that there's a 60% chance he's town and 40% chance he's scum.
In post 58, hiplop wrote:
Town question eachother all the time, I don't think Kim's push on me seems particularly scummy.
In post 107, AzoriusSenate wrote:
The more experienced players can touch on this as well, but I will explain my POV. People making lists with scum and town in them gives scum a lot of information. Obviously town is already sharing there thoughts but there is something very potent in lists.The scum can easily use these lists, if incorrect, to manipulate town.Another point to be made is that they really are useless. At this point we should all have people we do and don't want to lynch today. Putting everything on the table for scum to see is unnecessary and could lead to them gaining an advantage. Plus, it's very early in the game so reads should absolutely not be set in stone.
In post 109, MrCurlyNoodles wrote:
I'm aware these are all things scum can do while just playing the game but I feel like it's easier with early read lists.
In post 114, Smudger wrote:In post 105, Witch_Hunter wrote:but a team game where we build on each other's opinions to get progressively more information, thus reducing scum's inherent advantage.
how do you know who is in your team? what is scum's main aim? how do they achieve that aim?
In post 151, Smudger wrote:
"But lest look at your content so far...on the whole so far your responses are scummy. you are not consistent, you are raging and not actually saying anything that makes sense let alone points to anything of substance."
In post 153, Belisarius wrote:In post 129, Witch_Hunter wrote:P-edit: @ Belisarius: What about Kim makes him lynch worthy?
His interference with a perceived gambit by hiplop makes no sense from a town perspective, but could come from scum trying to manipulate me while at the same time making a show of standing up to the IC.
There's also something else right on the tip of my tongue, but I've been trying to draw it out for days and it's being a stubborn git.
In post 73, hiplop wrote:Reads right now for those viewers at home
Town
Witch
Kim
Noodles
AzoriiiousSenate
Null
Smudge
Belisarius
(Cmon SE's, get more active)
Scum
Bluebird
Some Random Mafia Player - Seriously, this is not a town mindset
In post 244, Bluebird wrote:
As I have stated earlier, I scumread you because your stats indicate that you subbed out of every game that you were town, one entry notwithstanding. Also,yourconversation with SRMP was what convinced us to lynch.
In post 260, Smudger wrote:after my last game this one is a comparative nursing home for activity..... yawn
so to liven it up I think that scum sits somewhere here Bluebird/Kim/Azorious
In post 271, Smudger wrote:In post 262, Witch_Hunter wrote:some things that just don't fit, you know?
please point them out, I'm intrigued to know considering the posting has been light from that slot
In post 278, Smudger wrote:In post 276, Bluebird wrote:I've noticed you've got a second completed town game in your stats. Haven't checked it out yet, but it's making me think. I thought that since you had pulled out of all your town games except one, you are likely to be scum
OMG.. did you read this>~~~?
In post 246, Smudger wrote:In post 244, Bluebird wrote:As I have stated earlier, I scumread you because your stats indicate that you subbed out of every game that you were town, one entry notwithstanding. Also, your conversation with SRMP was what convinced us to lynch.
do you know why I subbed out of those games? no you don't. I had a real life issue that required me to sub out of all of them at the same time, go check you will see it all happened basically on the same day.
honestly you think thats a scum read do you?
as for my conversation with SRMP, you didn't vote him, so I didn't convince you did?
In post 286, Smudger wrote:In post 283, Witch_Hunter wrote:MrCurlyNoodles, what's your opinion about the players you didn't mention - Belisarius, Kim, Smudger? Any one particularly towny or scummy? And concerning Bluebird and AzoriusSenate, would you join a wagon on either of them right now?
In post 274, Smudger wrote:MrCurlyNoddles, do you ask questions?
In post 287, Smudger wrote:In post 284, Witch_Hunter wrote:AzoriusSenate, what's your take of the Bluebird situation?
I think this needs to go to all...
In post 309, Smudger wrote:Witch I don't think there is a Bel-Azorious scum team. Azorious' post above looks emotive and due to frustration... it doesn't yet strike me as something scum would do. Even as a bus...
In post 322, Smudger wrote:Interesting. Azorious you really have nothing as I read it Bel has negated your argument. So one question if Bel was not a lynch today who would it be in your opinion?
In post 319, AzoriusSenate wrote:
You guys take as long as you need to butI'm just going to say right now I'm never removing my vote on this guy. He's scum and needs to bite the dirt so we can find the next one.We can read for interactions right now but I think he's probably going to play today as if he's being lynched and will probably throw out a bunch of random stuff to throw us off of the second mafia.
In post 322, Smudger wrote:Witch I think that Scum is somewhere here Azorious/Kim/Bluebird, in no particular order I might add
In post 323, MrCurlyNoodles wrote:In post 318, Witch_Hunter wrote:Smudger, MrCurlyNoodles, what should we do while they have their fight? Just watch and hope for good information? Take a side? There's still a while before the deadline, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing something.
I'm not sure. It feels like if we don't add on to the argument it's just going to fizzle out super quick (like it seems to already have). That being said I'm not really sure what to add past what we already have. I do agree that it's improbable for them to be a scum team but as scummy as Azorius' tunnelling is comments like this:Are what make me suspicious of Belisarius as well (though still more suspicious of Azorius). He also seems to be hard on the Kim train for not a very well explained reason since early in day 1.In post 317, Belisarius wrote:Join me against Kim. It is your destiny. Together we shall rule this galaxy as father and son!
In terms of talking about other things while they argue it out, Kim and especially Bluebird's current inactivity is unhelpful but in their absence I'm not entirely sure what there is to discuss since they're not bringing anything new. In terms of what they've done so far did you have anything specific to talk about or bring up? Which one do you find scummier?
In post 328, Smudger wrote:In post 32, Witch_Hunter wrote:@ Kim: Thank you for the post - seriously - but we have some miscommunication here. I meant, "would you post one of your logical analyses on this game?"
Then again, ignore it for now. I'll ask again later, when the game really gets going. Just from reading other games, I hadn't realized that takes a while to happen.
did this happen?
In post 333, Kim wrote:In post 324, Smudger wrote:Kim who are your top three lynch candidates and why?
Top four candidates are easy, via process of elimination: you, Belisarius, AzoriusSenate, and Bluebird. Since last I posted, MrCurlyNoodles has shown both understanding of what's been happening in the game and an ability to adjust his thoughts when presented with new information (or new to him, at least).
Out of those four, as of now I think I'd put you as fourth-scummiest (or third-towniest, whichever you prefer). I probably have too much of a bias towards open-minded players, but you seem to be reading, rereading, and thinking about the game. Yay you!
These last three aren't in any particular order:
I've seen both town and scum tunnel on players before, but I haven't figured out how to tell the different alignments apart. AS's tunnel on Bel seems farfetched -- I particularly disliked 303. However, is 305 frustrated town? It feels like it to me, but I know I don't have the experience/skill/whatever to say so for sure.
Bluebird's lurking has moved her to null for me. I'm not sure it's scum-motivated lurking, but I can't rule it out. More answers/thoughts from her will hopefully help.
Belisarius' "trust me" argument for lynching me wasn't very townie, but he's dropped that now. I assume that he hasn't seen anything that changed his mind; at least he's consistent. My responses to his rationale for voting against me are in 53 and 154.
In post 331, Witch_Hunter wrote:at least Kim isn't neglecting his defense, since he isn't actually being accused of anything.
A small nugget of defense on my part: hiplop had me as his second-highest townread when he was NKed. All other things being equal, scum!Kim would have kept him alive.
Besides that, her ISO is strange. Too passive, answers questions but doesn't ask them nor does much that feels like she is actually involved in the game.
In post 353, Smudger wrote:In post 352, Witch_Hunter wrote:@ Smudger: What's with the change of mind? Is there a method to AzoriusSenate's madness after all, or do you just want to see where this goes?
I think we should go with it
In post 364, Kim wrote:Azorius was atracker? I was like 99% sure he was a cop who investigated me, got a Town result, and switched from me to Bel based on Bel's case on me. That was all I could think of that explained both his Day 1 and Day 2 posts.
In post 387, Kim wrote:@Witch_Doctor: Why did you lynch without giving MCN and Blue a chance to comment on what was happening?
In post 401, Kim wrote:I'll get to Smudger shortly, but I wanted to warm up with the direct question(s) pointed my way. I think this was the only one:
In post 390, Witch_Hunter wrote:@ Kim:If you believed Azorius had townread you, instead of scumreading Belisarius, why did you join yesterday's wagon?
My (flawed) thought process went something like this:
- "AS sounds like he's soft-claiming an investigative role. But why would he have investigated Bel? That makes no sense. Have a +1 for calling him out on that, MCN."
- "Well, Smudger seems to see something. Am I missing it?" (What I didn't think of, but should have:
Whyis Smudger so sure?)
- "Wait -- AS must have investigated me. That fits with his suspicion of me D1 and his non-suspicion on D2. But does that necessarily mean Bel's scum? I'll just answer Smudger's question about Bluebird and think about it some more."
- "Well, AS is town unless I'm off my rocker. I can't think of a reason for scum!Smudger to bus Bel prematurely. MCN and WH are both town reads, so let's see where this goes." *votes for Bel*
In post 405, Kim wrote:In post 404, Witch_Hunter wrote:In post 401, Kim wrote:I'll get to Smudger shortly, but I wanted to warm up with the direct question(s) pointed my way. I think this was the only one:
In post 390, Witch_Hunter wrote:@ Kim:If you believed Azorius had townread you, instead of scumreading Belisarius, why did you join yesterday's wagon?
My (flawed) thought process went something like this:
- "AS sounds like he's soft-claiming an investigative role. But why would he have investigated Bel? That makes no sense. Have a +1 for calling him out on that, MCN."
- "Well, Smudger seems to see something. Am I missing it?" (What I didn't think of, but should have:
Whyis Smudger so sure?)
- "Wait -- AS must have investigated me. That fits with his suspicion of me D1 and his non-suspicion on D2. But does that necessarily mean Bel's scum? I'll just answer Smudger's question about Bluebird and think about it some more."
- "Well, AS is town unless I'm off my rocker. I can't think of a reason for scum!Smudger to bus Bel prematurely. MCN and WH are both town reads, so let's see where this goes." *votes for Bel*
Well then, I suppose we both agree it is a flawed argument. You saw what Azorius was doing, but managed to somehow misinterpret the situation that badly? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
VOTE: Kim
That puts me at L-1, by the way.State intent to hammer, let me claim my role before hammering, etc.
Which step is where my logic breaks down?
Wouldn't feigning ignorance of what AS was up to be the obvious play for theoretically scum me instead of putting Bel at L-1? I would have already set the framework for it with my +1 of MCN.
In post 408, Kim wrote:
I'm like 67.5% sure the last scum is Witch_Hunter. He's played very well -- probably the best of all of us -- but:
1) If he were town, he's shown that he's smart enough to realize that Bel and his scumbuddy would have already had their great farewell discussion in daytalk (or maybe a soliloquy from Bel, depending on if the other person was around at the time) before Bel claimed. That early hammer deprived us of getting reactions from MCN and Blue. It was scum-motivated.
2) Belisarius made these comments in three consecutive posts (for him, anyway) over the course of 2.5 days in Day 2:
[...]
He really really wanted us to know that WH and Smudger were unimpeachably town. Why would he do that? I think Smudger's early support of what AS was doing practically clears him; that leaves WH.
A quicklynch, as its name implies, is a lynch whose wagon builds in a relatively short amount of time.
Reckless Towns can do this on their own, of course, and the practice is frequently criticized for wasting a Day's worth of information.However, there are pro-Town reasons to do this - for instance, if a Cop claims an incriminating result on someone, the best thing to do is quicklynch the incriminated player so as to minimize the amount of information that the scum get when deciding what to do that Night.
When driven by scum, it is an extended quickhammer.
Buddying is a tactic used to subconsciously become perceived as less of a threat by another player. While this is usually done by scum, Townies have been known to do this as well.
This is typically accomplished by the buddying player acting unnaturally friendly to its target, either subtly or outright.Originally, this made it so that once the buddying scum died, it implicated the victim they were acting friendly toward. In addition, by budding up to a victim, they will become less likely to want to lynch the buddying player in the first place.More recently, though, this has become used as a pre-emptive accusation against anyone who acts nicely toward another player, regardless of intent.