[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[Alisae]

Would could lynch TesXX. The way he suggested nancy to be a doc while she was fakeclaiming 1-shot bp before the roleswap stuff happened doesn't exactly look the best?

Wouldn't he shoot nancy N1 if he thought that? That actually points against him being scum not towards.

He didn't bring up that idea till D2.

[Alisae]

He didn't bring up that idea till D2.

Are you saying he only figured it out after he tried to kill me N1 and it failed?

Yep

[Alisae]

Ari wats your read on me?

[Alisae]

BV you're basicly TRing me for my predecessors play, is that right?

[Alisae]

And my play is?

[Alisae]

I'm interested to know because I really don't understand why you are disregarding nancy's read on me, whom is probably the best person to be able to read me on this table.

WhyMafia made some posts that seemed towny, but I the thing is like, they raised a shitton of red flags. It's not something I'm feeling that confident in pushing, hence why I haven't pushed it.

[Alisae]

But why is it relevant that you don't understand it? What exactly are you worried about from a town-POV? You know I'm town and I'm correctly townreading you. Your questions are actually weirding me out because it seems you are worried about whether I have some secret scumread of you and intend to track you tonight and you are probing to see the basis of my townread.

Can you link WhyMafia's towny posts?

Yeah, I'm a scum mastermind that's trying to manipulate you to track me because why? Especially considering nancy specificly said to me "If there is a no kill [assumption: scum is not lynched today] then I am powerlynching you." That doesn't make any sense. You alright? My scumgame isn't even good enough to try to manipulate people that way.

I don't understand it because I don't get why you aren't trying to engage nancy on why you think she's wrong and you're right. Not to mention she has experience with me, whereas this is your first game with me. Wouldn't it make a bit more sense to atleast attempt to hear out nancy and try to explain to her why she's wrong?

This is litterally where I explained my WhyMafia read.

Spoiler: WhyMafia

I'm scum this game Pine.

Confirmed scum
VOTE: Nancy

Yep, OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck.

It's basically voting someone simply because they voted you. You can also for instance OMGUS scumread someone, which is scumreading someone simply because they scumread you. So I OMGUS voted you.

Oh I am stupid. I thought you were calling me out for OMGUS

@Nancy why should I trust you and remove my vote on you

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

So you overlooked him by mistake.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.

Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.

VOTE: Loopdan

Yea he's viable to look into.
Loopdan, explain your vote
VOTE: Loopdan

Why are we debating his alignment when he's not even lurking - he hasn't logged on since the game started. This is wasting time to find scum, unless we're using this to gauge reactions.


But idk I'm bad at mafia

Reads list
Tes - Not certain, apart from suggesting Bp strat, he hasn't done much. Could be a gamble as he looks Town by suggesting it, but it's becoming fairly common (from what I can tell by what others said), so if he was scum, he might as well look as best as possible.
Chronicle - Neutral. Similar to Tes he defended the bp strat quite vigorously as well as the inactive. He hasn't really done anything that screams "TOWN", but seems to be trying to help find scum (pressuring others into participating with the strat that usually finds scum).
Loop - Town, didn't work against the strat and also helped pressure others. This is more of a vibe I guess
Nancy - Scum lean. Starts out with going out for an aggressive counter to the strat. Proceeds to say it won't help new players learn. However most of the new players seem to not mind using this strategy. If there's a cop, look into her please.
Pine - Not enough posts to judge with, but made a valid point
Screenplay - Neutral, slightly miffed he's pushing me, but it's my fault for missing loopdens post. I want his reads before saying anything conclusive. Idk how it's considered lurking, we all have outside lives. If I wanted to lurk, I wouldn't have replied "a few hours" in the first place. Seems to be aggressive against the new player, some of it deserved, but I don't trust him fully. Maybe I'm just biased.
Stealthy - Scum lean - I'm having trouble with quotes, so I'll refer to post numbers
79/89 - Says that he agrees with Nancy that the strat isn't good for new players, but proceeds to say by not supporting it, she has a higher possibility of scum. It seems to me that she's braver than you and posted her opinion while you just want to look good to town. You're a hypocrite. Stating that you agree with what she said, but those words make her a scum read to you makes no sense. Even tho she didn't cooperate, you should've stuck to what you believed in lol. While I don't necessarily consider her as pro town, you make her seem so much better. You could be bussing her idk.
94 - Again, you agree with her ... what makes you vs her different? That she took a more direct stance? If the majority of the players said that this strat was bad and she was the only who argued it was good, I think you wouldn't have gone along with this strategy xd

I hope what I just said made sense, it probably didn't knowing me. Anyways, go analyze this now

@nancy


Why are you so sure pine is town? He made only a few posts and they were simply to defend you. I'm just interested in hearing your reasoning

Your poor me I'm bad AtE is scumy. You trying to find made up reason as evidence to vote someone is scumy.

A) Who are you talking in regards to that post
B) what does "your poor me I'm bad AtE is scummy mean

Is this some mafiascum lingo

Oh ok

I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy. I'll keep that in mind. So of all the people who posted you think I'm scummy bc I was referring to a comment made about my skill?

I personally think pine is worth looking into -
He begins by heavily defending Nancy and proceeds to leave

In addition, I would have to say Nancy has a higher chance of scum than stealthy atm. She repeatedly appeals to my emotions, making me want to trust her. My other reasoning in on my reads list from page 8. I don't feel like repeating all of it. Just go check. That being said, I do appreciate what you said Nancy xd.

Hi all! Thank you mod for cutting me some slack, I've largely been absent from the site for several days due to real life issues. I'm catching up right now.

When you finish reading up, reads list please

VOTE: SrceenPlay
I just don't buy him. He advocated a Pine lynch for reasons that are absolute garbage + I am biased towards him XD

Meant to include this sorry VOTE: SrceenPlay
You tried to get Pine killed and now you seem very defensive over it. Your latest response (well I'm not voting him) seems to be whining. I feel as though you were hoping to put pressure on someone else, and quickly back off if it doesn't work out.
I'm not sure if I explained this right, if someone's confused just tell me

@nancy
Lots have happened since you last gave any definite reads. Can you re-affirm who you believe is suspicious/town to you?

This places me in a conomdrum.

What conundrum are you referring to?


@src talk to me about 595 please. Why do you not care about being on a wagon with WM? Why are you wagoning Chronicle? You appear to be scumreading both WM and Chronicle, yet abandon the larger WM wagon to join WM in forming a new Chronicle wagon. Why? What are your reads?

VOTE: srceenplay

Bc I seem like I'm scum
I realize how bad this looks now, but I kinda used a tos strat :/

Tes, who do you think are good lynch targets right now?
And who would you say are your solid town reads?

The town reads I'm still working on right now. My suspicions are nancy and Srceen right now.

You said this 6 days ago. Post your reads list as your next post or die scum. I'm tired of you focusing only on setup. That only gets us so far, and makes you seem all towny. I want explanations as well.
VOTE: Tes

Town = Nancy, BlackVoid

Town Lean = Nobody :/

Unsure = Stealthy, Chronicle

Scum Lean = Loopdan, SrceenPlay, Tes

Scum = Drixx

VOTE: SrceenPlay
Die scum

24 - RVS vote that seems scummy honestly. Like easy to do but it's RVS so it doesn't matter.
33 - That question sorta goes nowhere on page 2
83 - Town driven vote.
176 - Honestly this seems town motivated here, mostly because he's annoyed that people are hunting Pine when he's not doing anything. Like, from what I'm getting it seems like he wants to try to get people to hunt on who is posting rather then who isn't, and he thinks lurking here isn't a scumtell. And that's fine. Though Pine did flip scum, so it's also possible he's trying to drive attention away from the lurkers.
194 - The Tes read is bad. That strat is ultimately NAI. Hate the posture around it. I like the analysis on Chronicle, and Pine. I don't get the nancy read at all though.
206 - Good questions
208 - Pointing out Srceen's unreasonability here is towny.
210 - Reads like "Oh, I just made a mistake, haha pay no attention here" but I also like the question here's asking here and like how he's pointing out how unreasonable Srceen is.
222 - This is just in general a good post that I like.
356 - THIS GUY GETS IT!
412 - THIS GUY GETS IT!
459 - This seems town driven to me.
607 - This backtrack is something I honestly think would come from town rather then scum.
709 - Good vote and just in general a good post.
1062 - I find it strange he's not voting Drixx at this time given this read list?
1119 - Yeah, especailly after this vote. Why was he going for people that aren't Drixx?

[Alisae]

Like, nancy is town. You're town. I'm also town.

Why aren't we working together to solve the game?

[Alisae]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71096
That game was auto-win near the end because we had like 5 cleared townies or some shit due to mechanics.
Even then I took a liad back approach.

[Alisae]

Okay.
Maybe I'm doing a really bad job at communicating to you what I am trying to communicate. So I'ma just be blatant instead of subtle and trying to lead you to a conclusion.
I don't actually care about the reasons. Here is what I do care about, because it's teaching newbies bad play. And I'ma put on my IC cap for a moment.

You have someone who's pratically confirmed town. Their name is nancy. They're a pretty sweet gal if you ask me. Wub you nancy <3
And they are really good at this game. Like, Really good at this game.
Fact is it seems like you're disregarding their reads completely. Like, you're trying to work against them. And I REALLY do not get that.
You see more interested in pushing your own reads rather then working with nancy to find out who is scum together. You're focusing on your own individual play rather then teamplay. And that's bad. Because ultimately Mafia is a TEAM game. You NEED to identify who the other townies are, and you need to discuss reads with them, and try to solve the game WITH your fellow townies. You aren't doing that, you're just pushing your own reads and not really giving a fuck about everything else. Atleast nancy is trying to engage people and trying to work with them.

You're basicly teaching newbies that individual play is better then teamplay, and that's bad. Don't do that.

Let's take the game I just linked. In that game, town worked together and knew who they were. And because they knew who they were so easily, that finding scum was easy when you have a mobile unit.

Why is this game not an autowin? Why hasn't scum conceded? Well it's easy. Whoever is scum knows that they still have a chance if the town mislynches people. This game is nowhere near autowin because town has yet to really work together. There's no team play involved here.

So can we stop being idiots, twittling our thumbs thinking that scum is just going to come out of the fucking woods, work together to discuss reads, and lynch scum?

[Alisae]

BV, are you understanding what I'm trying to communicate here?
It's the reason why most towns are always super fucking shitty. Becuase people have these "egos" they need to statisfy.

[Alisae]

RIP nancy ;~;
I do have a spare keyboard though. =)

[Alisae]

If there's a disconnect, find it and get the fuck back in sync.

And okay yeah. I'm talking out of my fucking ass when I am a TEAM centered player that focuses more on trying to work together with who they identify as town.
Yeah no, I think I understand why this isn't an autowin and why what is going on is going on. That is just straight up disrespectful. Like, the fuck? I try to encourage team work and you say I'm talking out of my ass?
And now you're doubting your read for really bullshit reasons because I'm trying to get my townreads to work together to push the same reads and agree on the same shit.

Why the fuck did I even try if I'm just going to get that response.

[Alisae]

Like, let's also add you ruined a great fucking moment of syncronization where me and nancy MUTUALLY agreed to role swap to try to bait a night kill to give you a night to actually clear someone.

And I'm talking OUT OF MY FUCKING ASS WHEN I AM TRYING TO ENCOURAGE TEAMWORK.

[Alisae]

Nothing you are saying is making any sense though. I don't understand how you can read the game and come to conclusions that you did.

I've mostly been reading individual ISOs. I haven't read the WHOLE game. 68 pages of THIS? I replace in and usually try to grasp what is going on by reading ISOs. I almost NEVER read the whole game. I'm bad at reading and eventually I just zone out. It just doesn't compute for me.

[Alisae]

But that's okay, when I encourage GOOD TEAM TOWN PLAY I am TALKING OUT OF MY FUCKING ASS AND NOT MAKING ANY SENSE AS TO WHY TOWN NEEDS TO WORK TOGETHER.

/me sigh.

[Alisae]

Like, let's also add you ruined a great fucking moment of syncronization where me and nancy MUTUALLY agreed to role swap to try to bait a night kill to give you a night to actually clear someone.

And I'm talking OUT OF MY FUCKING ASS WHEN I AM TRYING TO ENCOURAGE TEAMWORK.

If you honestly believe teaching newbies to fake-claim is a good idea, then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye here.

No. Let me tell you what that is. That is a GREAT example of what TEAM orientated town play looks like. If those fakeclaims resulted in town working together (Which by the way, it DID for a moment), then it's plays like those which create GAME WINNING SINAREOS. So if some dude by the name of BLACKVOID didn't ruin our brilliant plan, here's what would have happened.

Nancy - The real doc
Me - VT fakeclaiming doc to protect the real doc (Do you REALLY not understand how this is a pro-town move?)
BV - Our Tracker

{Ari, Srceen, WhyMafia, TesXX, Noodle} - Scum is in this pool.
Let's say today we lynch TesXX.
And I would die. Becuase killing the "Doc" is optimal.
You get a 25% chance of getting a guilty and a 75% of getting a clear.
Okay another lynch in that pool, let's say Noodle is cleared and Ari is lynched. We're left with a pool of {Srceen, WhyMafia}
nancy dies, you track one of those two. And you either get a clear or a guilty, G fucking G. Town win, gotten with 100% teamwork because I made the brilliant move of baiting a nightkill so you get two potential results.

Yeah, teaching newbies to fakeclaim when done right is a good idea WHEN DONE APPROPRIATELY.

[Alisae]

I would like to lynch Noodle for reasons already stated. Do either of you have any reason to townread him?

My only real reason to townread him is Pine voteparking there.

[Alisae]

That is true.
hmm...

[Alisae]

I sorta want Ari to be tracked if we aren't lynching him.
The fact we had a really strong ability to bounce reads back and forth between each other and find and lynch scum together is a great asset to have.
If anything, Realeo's game has taught both of us that we're really good at working together.

[Alisae]

Agreed. I want someone I can trust 100% to bounce back and forth reads with, and me and Ari are amazing when we're both town.

[Alisae]

lol wiki
VOTE: Noodle

pedit: Oh yeah that. That defintiely does look like a bus now that I think about it. He doesn't even add anything about why he's voting Drixx.

Also the way he backs off is ewww

[Alisae]

2644 is also something I did in White Flag. Everyone was screaming their heads off asking for Titus, and I suddenly came out with a case on ThinkBig and pushed that super hard. Of course, no one listened to me D1 but D2 the bus payed off.

[Alisae]

Buddying.
Is.
Not.
A.
Scumtell.

What makes it scummy is if it felt fake or not. Do you think the buddying felt fake?

[Alisae]

Nah, it totally felt like towny buddying which is why I brought it up as something that worried me!

Ah okay then.

[Alisae]

btw good night nancy <3

[Alisae]

I'ma address this game in a bit, but BlackVoid makes me want to replace out. Not going too though.

[Alisae]

First off BlackVoid, fuck off. Like, you genuinely piss me off here because apparently, I'm fucking trying to "Manufucature Strife" when I am trying to encourage townplay. You're doing better now, thank fucking god, but it's bullshit like this that makes me want to replace out. But I'm trying to "Manufacture Strife" WHEN I AM JUST TRYING TO ENCOURAGE GOOD TEAM PLAY.

And I addressed this multiple times. I don't know how Day 1 went. I didn't read it. I catchup by reading individual iso dives.
And my anger is inaccurate? Fuck off.

Secondly, I don't care about Loopdan's play. Trying to figure out what my predcessor did, and giving thoughts or talking about it. It's all fucking pointless to me. It may help you, but I can't help with that. Sorry. How about you go metadive

me

. Because that's a lot more productive then going to go metadive my predecessor, who's play I can't really comment on, because if I were to comment on it, it would be a WASTE OF TIME.

Thirdly, yeah, it's advantagous for me to talk to conftown about reads. Good. Fucking. Job. YEAH, IT IS ADVANTAGOUS. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? WELL MAYBE BECAUSE BOUNCING OFF READS OFF OF CONFTOWN WINS GAMES. Like, are you okay? Do you understand how teamwork works? I don't get it dude ;~;

Fourthly, Being happy with a townread is litterally the defiintion of NAI. Town can do it. Scum can do it too.

Let's address even more bullshit that BV is throwing at me because why?

Wait. You're saying you haven't done anything to suggest otherwise?!?!?! ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU LITTERALLY RUINED THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ROLESWAP ON MAFIASCUMDOTNET. ARE YOU FOR REAL HERE?

And yeah, I am going to NO KILL when nancy would have powerlynched me for that at that time. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

[Alisae]

I'm sleepy zzz.

[Alisae]

yeah ik but BV is being a meanie ;~;

[Alisae]

I'm awake.

[Alisae]

wtf, you're lynching ari?
No, I want him tracked.

[Alisae]

Alright AMA.
This will be easier then trying to catchup and post my thoughts on what is going on within the last few pages.

I don't want Ari lynched today, I rather have them be tracked.

BV, I'll talk to you too as long as you don't fucking misrep everything I say and turn it into not what it actually is.

[Alisae]

BV this is the part where you ask me questions.

[Alisae]

this day has gone on for too long so now i'm apethedic zzz

[Alisae]

and?

[Alisae]

like, BV essentially just twisting everything I say to fit his narative he's trying to push when I'm just trying to encourage teamwork sorta just turned me off from this game.

[Alisae]

and?

How are you apathetic after 5 days? o.O

Go blame BV.

[Alisae]

Alright. I'm going to find scum for ya.

First I am going to close my eyes.
And then I am going to imagine sitting in my room.
After that I will imagine myself slowly finding scum.
And then I will have found scum.

[Alisae]

Also nancy, I have a beautiful guide on how to fake a guilty properly.
Here, have a link.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ts_as_Town

[Alisae]

Therefore scum is in {Noodle, Tes, WhyMafia} and I have a guilty on one of them as it turns out that I've been hiding all day because I wanted Town to have a chance at catching them but so far they haven't.

can I add Srceen to this pool? He's also someone I would expect to have shot BV last night.

[Alisae]

can I add Srceen to this pool? He's also someone I would expect to have shot BV last night.

No but I can you to the pool because Loopdan believed my BP claim and would've shot Void.

Why not? Srceen would have definitely believed the BP claim. Can you explain to me why he wouldn't?

[Alisae]

Also nancy, I have a beautiful guide on how to fake a guilty properly.
Here, have a link.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ts_as_Town

[Alisae]

Also nancy, I have a beautiful guide on how to fake a guilty properly.
Here, have a link.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ts_as_Town

[Alisae]

NO BULLYING ALLOWED

Spoiler: a lot of gifs

[Alisae]

Also nancy, I have a beautiful guide on how to fake a guilty properly.
Here, have a link.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ts_as_Town

[Alisae]

I'm just going to keep on quoting that until you stop.

[Alisae]

I'm just going to keep on quoting that until you stop.

Aslan I'm a Watcher and I saw you visit Loopdan last night I'm sorry.

Okay, this one was kinda good.

[Alisae]

BV, I would policy lynch you here in just about any other game because of how bad your read is on me. Just saying.
fucking EMPTY RHETORIC.
And you are refering to a game, that happened AGES AGO. AGES! LIKE FUCKING ANCIENT HISTORY.

[Alisae]

All you're fucking doing is trying to find anything I fucking do and spin it to support your bullshit scumread on me.
Like, how the fuck am I supposed to respond to that?

But yeah, I got into a fucking fight with conftown a long time ago and I'm not doing that here therefore I'm scum.
Fuck off.

[Alisae]

Alisae is town imo if for nothing else than the push for town unity!

Alisae has not been pushing for town unity. He's been claiming to do it while manufacturing arguments and getting mad for no reason.

VOTE: BlackVoid
YEAH, I'M GETTING MAD FOR NO FUCKING REASON.
YOU AREN'T EVEN READING MY FUCKING POSTS ANYMORE.

I'm done with your shit, I don't even care if you're a tracker anymore.

[Alisae]

Alisae: I'm trying to promote unity.
BlackVoid: I'm not reading any of your posts blah blah blah scumread here let me say things to piss you off even more.

[Alisae]

how the fuck am I supposed to respond to that?

Give me suggestions on who to track if you flip town and who we should lynch next.

You track Ari because if he's town, having him be conftown is a good thing. If he's scum, gg.
Then you lynch TesXX. If he's scum gg.

[Alisae]

HOW in the FUCKING WORLD AM I CREATING CONFLICT BY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER?
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO ME.

[Alisae]

ALISAE: HEY TOWN, WORK TOGETHER TO WIN THE GAME.
BLACKVOID: NO, ALI IS TRYING TO PROMOTE CONFLICT BY TRYING TO UNITE THE TOWN.

[Alisae]

But you are not trying to get people to work together. People were working together before you did anything. Then you stretched really, really hard to find a reason to get mad so you could get points for "genuine town ATE."

OH YOU CALLING MY RAGE FAKE?
MY RAGE IS NOT FAKE. I DON'T EVER. EVER. EVER. BLOW UP LIKE THIS. THE LAST TIME I WANTED TO BLOW UP LIKE THIS WAS AT DREALMERZ FOR WITCH TRIALS FOR BEING SO FUCKING INSULTING AND RUDE. AND I MOSTLY CONTAIN MY EMOTIONS BECAUSE I HATE BLOWING UP. AND NOW YOU'RE CALLING MY RAGE FAKE? YEAH, FUCK OFF.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER BY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER? THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE I DO NOT GET IT.

PEOPLE WERE WORKING TOGETHER BEFORE I DID ANYTHING? IF YOU WERE WORKING TOGETHER WITH NANCY YOUR READS WOULD BE IN FUCKING SYNC AND THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED YET.

[Alisae]

WOAH.
MISTER CONFTOWN BLACKVOID WANTS ME TO POST AMAZING THOUGHTS ABOUT THE GAME.
VOOOOOOOSH
AMAZING THOUGHTS.

[Alisae]

I don't want to track Aslan. I want to flip him. I'll take track suggestions from you if I'm wrong.

YEAH, AND I WANT YOU TO STOP PLAYING LIKE SHIT, AND TRYING TO TWIST EVERYTHING I SAY TO SUIT YOUR CONFBIAS.

[Alisae]

I wouldn't mind lynching Aristophanes for his overly confident townread on Alisae but that's about it.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
SOMEONE HAS A CONFIDENT TOWNREAD ON SOMEONE? HEY, I HAVE A GOOD IDEA, LET'S LYNCH THEM FOR HAVING A GOOD READ!!!!!!!!!
I AM AMAZING AT THIS GAME.

YOUR READS ARE SHIT DUDE.

[Alisae]

Yeah, I can help with that after BlackVoid just admits his reads are shit. Because they are if he thinks I'm not trying to unite the town when that is the opposite of what I am trying to do.
Also, because of BlackVoid's reads, he should be fucking leashed too. I don't trust him to make the right track at all.

[Alisae]

I STILL think Tracking Ari would be WAY more useful then tracking me.

[Alisae]

Your FOR INFORMATION lynch is shit.

[Alisae]

Flipping Aslan will obviously help me course-correct if I'm wrong. I already have someone in mind that I want to track to get rid of niggling paranoia and who I think will work well with me in case we're wrong today and they are town.

Tracking Aslan is objectively better because you don't lose the slot's input.

For all he cares, he thinks my imput is useless so this ultimately doesn't matter.

[Alisae]

AtE is not a scumtell. See Frozen Angel as an example. She AtE's as either alignment.

[Alisae]

@Src, switch to Alisae please. I don't think it's WhyMafia and Alisae's big towncase on WhyMafia is more likely written by scum on town than town on scum.

HEY GUYZ. MY NAME IS BLACKVOID.
IF YOU DEFEND MY SCUMREADS, YOU'RE SCUM!
SEE, LOOK AT HOW I AM AMAZING AT THIS GAME I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

HEY GUYZ.
APPARENTLY DEFENDING BLACKVOID'S SCUMREADS IS A SCUMTELL FOR BLACKVOID.
WHO KNEW?!?!?!?!

[Alisae]

Lynch Srceenplay track Ari bestnewbiewinning2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

[Alisae]

BlackVoid, you're tracking Ari otherwise you don't go to LyLo.
The way you're approach this game is super fucking unhealthy because you're not listening to anyone's reads here. You're just more concern about being "correct" about your bullshit scumread on me that's nonsensical and bad. I don't really trust you to make the right tracking choice so that's why I'm leashing you

[Alisae]

I wanna be leashed

Go ask JaeReed.

[Alisae]

No, he's not giving them to you because YOUR READS ARE SHIT.

[Alisae]

You basicly scumread him for not scumreading me.

[Alisae]

Hell, you scumread ANYONE who doesn't agree with your scumreads.

[Alisae]

I have a super hard time seeing a world where BlackVoid doesn't TUNNEL me with his SHIT read.

He needs people to VOTE with him so that he can proof his confbias and then when I flip town he'll just find some way to still scumread me because his play is bad.

[Alisae]

Yeah our tracker is bad.
Doesn't want to reconsider. Wants to push shit reads for shit reasons.
I'm not even laying out my thoughts until BlackVoid actually wants to work with me because he just doesn't care because he'll find a way to turn everything I'm saying into some scummy as fuck shit.

[Alisae]

HEY, I'M GOING TO GET TOWNCRED BY YELLING AND SHIT.

[Alisae]

What is missing are insightful reads and a genuine effort to solve the game which he hasn't done at any point.

EVEN IF I GIVE YOU THIS YOU'LL STILL THINK I'M SCUM BECAUSE YOU ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING CORRECT.

[Alisae]

I am saying words to prove my confbias. I have bad scumtells, and people don't get angry at me because i'm abrasive and apparently whenever i push scum, scum gets angry and it's a really shitty scumtell i have so i am going to push it.

[Alisae]

No.
I'm not giving you content until you unvote me and actually show interest in working with me.

[Alisae]

Whatever.
I don't think like, anything I can say is going to get BlackVoid to actually reconsider, and I'm not giving him content until he does so..

[Alisae]

Also nancy, I have a beautiful guide on how to fake a guilty properly.
Here, have a link.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ts_as_Town

[Alisae]

Like, I tried to contribute to the game but people are like "lol no you're wrong."
And we have mister blackvoid who has bad scumtells and instead of re-evaluating he thinks I'm discredditting him.
Why even fucking bother if no one is going to listen to me anyways.

[Alisae]

Why don't you just lynch actual scum?
Like this guy.
VOTE: Srceenplay
Everything I said about him still sticks.

[Alisae]

Then vote Srceenplay and don't listen to BlackVoid who demands on pushing a bad read.

[Alisae]

Look nancy. It's obvious BlackVoid has a bad read and is just bad.
Like, I said mutliple times he should ask me questions if he thought I was scum. He's not doing that. He's not trying to figure out if he read is correct, he's just relying on his ego. I don't think he even cares if his read is correct anymore. The way he went about pushing me is dissentious. His reads are dissentious. His scumtells are dissentious.

[Alisae]

If I have to deal with his shit one more time I'm just replacing out. I'm done.

[Alisae]

lol

[Alisae]

Those words are so fucking similar to what Accountant was telling you in our first game together.

[Alisae]

That was a scum win btw.

[Alisae]

Those words are so fucking similar to what Accountant was telling you in our first game together.

What words?

"You should be happy if we're town you're taking one for the team" or some shit like that.

[Alisae]

oh hey nancy.
I'm a Tracker that Tracked nancy to BlackVoid.
Looooool

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae
Yeah I'm fucking done. I thought there was a chance I could win this.
Basicly I had two plans. A. Get townread enough by townleaders to not get tracked or B. Try to bait the track to then go kill BlackVoid again.
But then BlackVoid had these really bad scumtells.

[Alisae]

Like BV litterally found a way to twist everything I said to suit his own ego and somehow he caught scum doing that with this really bad tells.
nancy's pushes on me were probably the most effective.

[Alisae]

Things just started to slowly fall apart after the fake twilight and the fact I wasn't around to actually hammer srceen when he got to L-1 again so...

[Alisae]

Yeah, things we're going good for me as well!
I was like dam, I could turn this into a win and it's going to be fucking beautiful.
But BV make me so fucking irritated AND THEN my lynch sorta just seemed inevitable so...

tbh BV, you aren't a policly lynch I was just overexaggerating. You DO need to work on your scumtells, because town can defend your scumreads too. And a lot of the things you said to push me were just, not true.

[Alisae]

Figured I tried something new.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah btw for the newbies.
When I replaced in, I asked mini if she could open up the scum PT to put my thoughts in since well, I had no buddies. She said yeah and I was able to do that and maybe ywall can learn something from what I put even if it's nonsense?
Eh, I tried.

pedit: See, Void Tracking me would have been good because I could spin that me and you were roleswapping again or something and that would have made me look town. Plus, why would scum decide to go kill the obvious doctor target. Afterwards I probably would have tried to spin that off was that BV faked a result for no reason.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah nancy, of course I'm aware I have a good scumgame. I was just trying to be humble and say I don't to try to subtlely manipulate people that way.

[Alisae]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70351
I buddied you the exact same way I buddied Frog on replace in.

[Alisae]

pedit: See, Void Tracking me would have been good because I could spin that me and you were roleswapping again or something and that would have made me look town. Plus, why would scum decide to go kill the obvious doctor target. Afterwards I probably would have tried to spin that off was that BV faked a result for no reason.

Er what do you mean? You were going to try and talk your way out of being guiltied? o.O

If I was tracked to BlackVoid AND there was no kill I could have easily done that

[Alisae]

I'm being tracked when there's a no kill.
That suggests I'm a doctor

[Alisae]

Yeah and probably would have worked as well
I felt brilliant when I came up with that plan.

[Alisae]

See, I'm much more happy when I'm town.
Look at me, I'm so happy.

[Alisae]

Yeah it would!
I could just argue
"So BlackVoid faked a result on me because he's bad and he wanted to throw the game because FOR SOME REASON he thought nancy was scum."

[Alisae]

Also I could argue who in their right mind would go kill the obvious doc target.

[Alisae]

yeah no worries.

Also the amount of replacements this game had was disgusting.

[Alisae]

Really didn't feel like putting someone else in this situation. It's kinda really hard to get out of this situation unless you're just amazing at this game.

[Alisae]

Like, I tried a lot to get out of this situation.
The roleswap got me towncred. And that was flawless. Though I wish I knew how to communicate to you more subtlely that that was what I was going to do. Saying not to wagon you sorta makes it obvious imo.
That Srceen wagon early was beautiful but then I ruined that and was like rip.
The AtE and stuff about teamwork was also beautiful.

[Alisae]

Yeah by ruining the twilight.
If I left the twilight running someone might have gotten something out of it.

[Alisae]

Also replacing in can be super fucking awkawrd for me as either alignment so..

[Alisae]

Yeah. I litterally claimed scum.

[Alisae]

Yeah. I litterally claimed scum.

Trolling or for real?

I promise.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae
Yeah I'm fucking done. I thought there was a chance I could win this.
Basicly I had two plans. A. Get townread enough by townleaders to not get tracked or B. Try to bait the track to then go kill BlackVoid again.
But then BlackVoid had these really bad scumtells.

Tes tell me, does this look anything remotely like a town post.

[Alisae]

Are you actually going to read any of the last few pages?

[Alisae]

Why the fuck is this game 130 pages?
Can you hammer before it reaches 131 pages?
thanks.

[Alisae]

Yeah thats where you hammer go do it.
Fuck we're geting 131 pages anyways.

Oh well.

[Alisae]

btw Drixx I'm sorry if I dissapointed you ;~;

[Alisae]

I was following along casually for parts of the game and wanted to congratulate the town for winning this! Was impressed with how smoothly this was run by MDS.

I did want to mention was that Nancys "Scum just claim, it's autoloss; we'll keep everyone here hostage until you do so" type attitude is very close to side-wide rule breakages, it's attempting to get scum to break their win condition considering scum were not in fact in autoloss but merely a 1/5, 20% win chance and teaching people in a newbie game of all games to concede rather than to play to win even if in a tough position is not the right way, hope it won't happen again.

Have a few other thoughts about the game but probably will just keep them to myself. Congrats again town though!

Oh its you.
Probably dissapointed by me as always.
/me sigh.

[Alisae]

yeah nancy is kinda good at this game.

Mini if you ever mod more stuff let me know, I wanna help chu out if you'll let me

[Alisae]

anyhow if anyone decides to read the scum PT I posted my thoughts there as I went along, I hope that helps someone in the future even though I suck at this game.

[Alisae]

Wow you sound like you don't care -_-
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=71136 Scum PT
Nothing is in the Dead PT besides Drixx talking to himself.

[Alisae]

Yeah my two favorite mods on site are mini and RC

[Alisae]

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=71411

Yeah the White Flag was eww but I honestly didn't see the day ending where my lynch doesn't go through.

[Alisae]

Best case sinareo which involves me getting tracked is I get tracked to BlackVoid and I get nancy lynched without BlackVoid revealing his result.
And there was no way I'm not getting tracked.

Scum can be hard when people can read you really well.

[Alisae]

I don't think you understand what me being tracked to BV AND there being a no kill implies.

[Alisae]

Nah the town had a deep deep desire down in their hearts for nancy to be not town plus me getting tracked by BV is sorta hard evidence that suggests me and nancy were roleswapping again and that I'm a doctor. BV wouldn't have anything else to go by execpt play and her claim.

[Alisae]

Nah BlackVoid you were fine lmao.
I was just being overdramatic.

[Alisae]

And you aren't toxic at all which is a good thing. If anything you're decent as town.

Like I don't hate you at all <3

[Alisae]

Like, you were spot on with what I was doing. I was mostly trying to discredit you and there were sometimes where I tried to gaslight you, but that's an area I'm not too good at I'm afraid ;~;

[Alisae]

Though I will say, my AtE walls where I was trying to rally the town was me trying to rally up the town and not what you were trying to spin it as. Also it was to try to get you to listen to someone who knew how to read me, and I was hoping that those AtE walls would get nancy to TR me, therefore would get you to TR me.

I look forward to playing with you in future games and games where we're both town and blah blah blah.

[Alisae]

Yeah don't do that like, ever. Scum will always try to think of some kind of options to get around the current gamestate and turn the tides in their favor if they're good at the game.

[Alisae]

I tried that's all that matters

[Alisae]

Yeah BlackVoid did great this town gave me some trouble (judging by my white flag)

This is also my first scum loss!

[Alisae]

nancy's 1146 posts was a thing.

[Alisae]

Your welcome nancy! <33333

pedit: no problem.

[Alisae]

TesXX you seem like a player that would be really frustrating to have in the town. Though as time progresses I think you'll get better with your town play

[Alisae]

Yeah each game I do shows me ways I can improve my town play. Also how I can improve my trolling play.

First you can have some reading because reading is nice!

viewtopic.php?p=9065879#p9065879 - mhsmith's inexperienced challenger (IC) post.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y:MastinMD - A bunch of articles that are really just worth reading in general. By Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=70951 - A guide to Vote Count Analysis (VCA) By Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71050 - Charisma in Mafia
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71056 - The Importance of Transparency, Cooperation & Effort as Town
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15933 - Article about Tells by Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932 - Article about Playing Well by Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16540 - Another VCA Article by Mastina


One of the things that recently changed with sitemeta is, well, it's a fairly negative change. A lot of towns nowadays don't work together. They have these egos and they rather focus on being correct then actually work together and do actual teamplay. So trying to work with your fellow town, trying to see what reads you can bounce back and forth with them, pushing reads together, all of that stuff is important to working together with your town.

[Alisae]

BV did you see my posts.
Plz tell me you don't hate me cuz I don't hate you ;~;

[Alisae]

nancy fakeclaimed 1-shot bp
I claimed doctor and told people not to lynch nancy.

[Alisae]

Yaaaaaaay <3

[Alisae]

nancy which one is better my towngame or my scumgame?

[Alisae]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Records
with 3268 posts, this is probably the biggest newbie queue game on site.