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And so it begins.
VOTE: Inferno390
Because inside jokes."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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SaulJoker wrote:Hello everyone!
What's your favorite color?
VOTE: RedFlavor
Am I doing this right?Aviqf wrote:Ayo
VOTE: RedFlavorsheepsaysmeep wrote:Hey guys
What’s shaking?
VOTE: red
DUDERedFlavor wrote:gosh I need to vote myself for that
VOTE: redflavor
THIS IS L1
WHAT THE HECK
WE AREN'T EVEN OUT OF RVS YET"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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So based on the last 15+ posts alone, here are my thoughts.
A) Sunlit. Why? (That was rhetorical, don't answer that)
B) Saul, my favorite color is Yellow.
C)
Yes it was an RVS vote. This is RVs. Why would you even ask that question?Aviqf wrote:@Sheep was your vote in post 11 a RVS vote?
D) Holy cow, the first L1 happenedSANIC FAST.
E)How is this a scumclaim?
F) The timing of this seems a little fishy. (Perhaps that's just me.) And Red wasn't that oblivious to his L2, was he? Could Red and Sheep be scumpartners doing a little RVS back and forth? Seems unlikely, considering this IS a Newbie game, but you never know...
G)Why would you RESTATE your vote, Sheep?
My conclusions are as follows:
readlist:
Spoiler: Inferno390's readlist
As for voting:
VOTE: Sheep, becasue voting Red would hammer and be very scummy with us basically still in RVS."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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You "guess" you vote sheep? Like you're unsure on wheter not you should vote at all?In post 26, Sunset at dawn wrote:I guess I'll vote sheep. It seems kind of weird to want so many votes on red.
Vote: Sheep
I really don't like this tone here."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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So, Red, what do you think of Sheep's posts so far?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Wall Post incoming!
Spoiler: Wall post!"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Also, Sunset seems to be lurking quite a bit proportionally and not very sure of herself. Just not very good or newbscum?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Wow.In post 91, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
it is forced. town force post sometimes, this is the response i was expecting scum to makeIn post 89, Inferno390 wrote:Why the heck would you ask me this of my own post? Of course I don't think it's forced at all, it's my post!
This is probably the strangest start to a 1v1 I'll ever have.
There is so much wrong with this chain of thought I don't know where to begin.
I write the first scumhunting post of the game. Sheep says it's forced. Then sheep asks ME, the writer of the post, if I think MY OWN post is forced. I tell him that I obviously think the post is not forced, because it's MY post. Then Sheep blatantly tells me my opinion is wrong as implies that I'm scum.
The cherry on top? Sheep has been degrearding any attempt as scumhunting in the the game so far, but I haven't seen really any attempts to scumhunt on his own part."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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In post 93, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i am your temporary substitute ic INACTIVITY =/= LURKING BTW
not that sunset's inactive
not that lurking is a newbtell either
where do you get the "not very sure of herself" from?In post 26, Sunset at dawn wrote:I guess I'll vote sheep. It seems kind of weird to want so many votes on red.
Vote: Sheep
This is where I get it from. These are Sunset's only two posts, and she doesn't put weight behind here posts at all, like she's not really sure what to do.In post 36, Sunset at dawn wrote:
Oh. I thought that sheep meant RedFlavor not the scumIn post 28, RedFlavor wrote:I dont think sheep was serious about vote
I said "I am red in this game" and red means scum so that was the scumclaim
Preedit: yes I also found that weird
VOTE: sunset at dawn
Unvote- sheep
I don't know who else seems off yet."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Sunlit Diamond wrote:LUV: inferno and I played in a game with three lurkers who were all town, and two of them were PRs. He's also shown a marked preference for leaning hard on the wiki. Therefore, in my opinion he should know better than to question activity as a measure of towniness or lack thereof.
I'm actually not leaning on the wiki this game (I learned my lesson last time). My thinking is that Sunset has contributed very little to this game and both her posts seem very unsure. My question is if this is a sign that Sunset is one of the scum and is not sure how to fake scumhunt here. It would explain what seems to me as being a very uncomfortable player with only two posts.In post 111, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Point being: if he knows better, why is he making that comment? And I'd like a response from him."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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How the heck am I OMGUSing you? Heck, I voted for you on the first page before you really said ANYTHING about me. and all I've done is point out the fact that you're negative about all the scumreads and that there is no reason you should read my responses to you as scum.In post 115, sheepsaysmeep wrote:town forces reads to get discussion going and to leave rvs
anywho inferno is omgusing and overreacting hard
VOTE: inferno
avi's questions were forced, the answer was pretty obvious
his reasons feel incredibly forced because most of the reasons for townreads/scumreads arent actual reasons to townread/scumread
saul was barely actually cautious, red was barely actually reckless, he's reaching hard for reasons
SunSET, not SunLIT. I can see this being a major point of confusion in the the upcoming days. (Unless Sheep is just trying to confuse us.)In post 117, sheepsaysmeep wrote:@infernowhich of sunlit's posts seem unsure
they seem natural to me"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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How is it reachy? Sunset has posted twice and contributed nothing.In post 116, sheepsaysmeep wrote:92 is like a really reachy read
posting like 10 times in a day isnt lurking"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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NOT SUNILT. SUNSET. As in SUNSET AT DAWN.In post 120, sheepsaysmeep wrote:sunlit had posted twelve times at the time of that first "lurking" post
lurking is scummy when a player is purposely avoiding the thread, do you think sunlit has been doing that?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Okay, so is 92 less reachy now?In post 122, sheepsaysmeep wrote:holy shit im stupid lol"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I don't like the tone of this. A) Aviqf might not be able to understand how you see his posts as defensive/uncertain, and B) this is directly avoiding the question.In post 137, SaulJoker wrote:
Read your posts.In post 134, Aviqf wrote:Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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In post 143, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
A) that isnt aiIn post 140, Inferno390 wrote:
I don't like the tone of this. A) Aviqf might not be able to understand how you see his posts as defensive/uncertain, and B) this is directly avoiding the question.In post 137, SaulJoker wrote:
Read your posts.In post 134, Aviqf wrote:Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?
B) no
try again
A) It is AviIn post 132, SaulJoker wrote:Yeah at this point I'm justscumleaning on Avi. Behavior seems defensive and uncertain, might be because it's a newbie game but that still doesn't dismiss it as townie.
UNVOTE: RedFlavor
VOTE: Aviqf
I'm getting slight town vibes from Inferno and Sunlit, and slight scum vibes from RedFlavor and Sheep. Everyone else I'm kinda neutral on.
B)Sunlit Diamond wrote:
If you have a problem with the way someone is talking, then explain what the problem is and why. Don't redirect the work back on them.In post 137, SaulJoker wrote:
Read your posts.In post 134, Aviqf wrote:Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Telling someone to read their own posts when they ask you to explain themselves is avoiding the question given to them."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Sunset has been really quiet, hasn't she?In post 170, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I don't think avi is scum either though. I'd like to hear more from Sunset, and something from LUV that isn't IC-flavored.
I want your opinion, Dia.
Is this response avoiding Avi's question?In post 137, SaulJoker wrote:
Read your posts.In post 134, Aviqf wrote:Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?
I'm also going to start doing some ISO's, so watch for those."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Gonna start ISOing people. I'll probably go alphabetically. MY thoughts will be inthis color here, because I like it.
Spoiler: Aviqf ISO
All in all, I'mfor Avi. Not everything Avi has done has made sense, but he definitely has done some genuine scumhunting this game.Leaning Town"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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You know what, stop fussing over the "technicalities". That's incredibly scummy behavior.In post 179, sheepsaysmeep wrote:he did not directly avoid the question
he did not directly answer it
entirely technically correct
Saul's response to Avi's question is not acceptable, be cause he's never actually stated why he thinks Avi is defensive or unsure. Avi's question is perfectly legit, and Saul's response is not.
Just because of this chain, I'm seriously starting to lean on a Sheep/Saul scumteam. Sheep has been nothing but negative on all my and Avi's reads and thoughts this game, Saul has contributed little to none in terms of real scumhunting (only 5 posts, an RVS vote, and a wild attack on Avi), and this looks like an attempt from Sheep to cover up a dumb response on Saul's part."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Another thing I'm noticing is that most of Sheep's posts are a combination of shitposting or attacks on the things Avi or I say. There's maybe a slight bit of scumhunting, but it's very broken up, and not really useful to the town.
More on this when I ISO him."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I agree with this. I would also like Sunset to post more. But I never said that her activity level was evidence of scum. I just restated the fact the she was incredibly quiet.In post 182, Sunlit Diamond wrote: Repeat after me: Activity level is NAI. I want more from Sunset so I have a shadow's chance of judging her alignment.
It's the fact that she has posted very little PLUS her posts seem very unsure that made me lean scum on her."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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this seems like a power role claim.In post 192, Sunset at dawn wrote:
What I mean is that I don't want to do something stupid like getting a power role lynched day one. That counts as a mistake.In post 191, Sunlit Diamond wrote:In post 189, Sunset at dawn wrote:I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.
What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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What's with this? Why are you voting me? Without any explanation too, which is weird considering this:
In post 133, sheepsaysmeep wrote:can everyone explain reads as they post them thx"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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First off, stop acting like an IC, because you're not, and you do not know everything about how to play this game. There are other people in this game who are IC's and there is a reason that they are IC's, and there is a reason that you're not an IC.In post 206, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
this was why i votedIn post 186, Inferno390 wrote:Just because of this chain, I'm seriously starting to lean on a Sheep/Saul scumteam. Sheep has been nothing but negative on all my and Avi's reads and thoughts this game, Saul has contributed little to none in terms of real scumhunting (only 5 posts, an RVS vote, and a wild attack on Avi), and this looks like an attempt from Sheep to cover up a dumb response on Saul's part.
like the ic's do this in newbies so ima try
class, can someone tell me why this post is scummy?
Second, so what you've basically said is that your vote is an OMGUS vote, because the only reason you're voting for me is because you don't like this post.
Third, how about you actually explain why you think this post is scummy instead of asking everyone else, because right now it looks like you're just shading this post as scummy to draw some heat off of my attack on you.
Becasue you're avoinding the whole point of this argument, which has been said again and again. Saul's response is NOT an acceptable awnser, becasue it is NOT accpetable to make someone else do the work to prove your claims, escpecailly when that "someone else" is the person you're accusing. Quibbling over the technicalities of whether or not Saul actually "directly avoided the question" or not, especially after 3 people have said that Saul should NOT have done that and his response is incredibly detrimental to the town, is both ridiculous and scummy, because what it does is draw attention from the fact that Saul's post is very anti-town by bogging us down in the details so much that we actually forget the main point.In post 210, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
why is this scummyIn post 186, Inferno390 wrote:You know what, stop fussing over the "technicalities". That's incredibly scummy behavior."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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In post 208, sheepsaysmeep wrote:aggressiveness isnt actually scummy btw
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Aggressiveness? who said anything about aggressiveness? And this gives literally no information to the town. These two posts combined are basically "Aggressiveness isn't scummy except for when it is."In post 209, sheepsaysmeep wrote:or at least usually not"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Hey Creature, would you please explain some of your reads further? I'd like to know more about your vote on Saul, why you townread Sheep, Avi, and me, and why you aren't townreading Red anymore."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Right, but what changed your mind? Was it something about the selfvote, or a post that came after the selfvote, or what?Creature wrote:RedFlavor I already said I changed my mind about his selfvote.
My only thoughts on this is that activity =/= town. Scum can be incredibly active and not contribute anything to town at all, and I agree that Avi looks genuine on page 3.Creature wrote:sheep seems very active.
I townread you because you actually got serious when Red went L-1.
I townread Avi mainly because his contributions on page 3 feel genuine.
Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.Creature wrote:Meanwhile I thought Saul would be a good vote.
No wait. You're an SE. Surely you know all these things...?
Creature = scum?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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In post 227, Creature wrote:
I'm rn voting to see if I can sort Saul. Plus I have a slight scumlean on him.In post 225, Inferno390 wrote:Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.
Okay, these make sense.In post 229, Creature wrote:
Story:In post 225, Inferno390 wrote:Right, but what changed your mind? Was it something about the selfvote, or a post that came after the selfvote, or what?
Me (days before): *sees RedFlavor's selfvote*
Me: Oh, town I guess.
Me (now): *sees RedFlavor's selfvote again*
Me: Actually, maybe scum could've also done that.
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Holy crud, this has not been a good week for me, awful head cold, throat all swollen up, internet acting up...
I meant to post this yesterday, but life. I'll do this post and then give my thoughts on the last 2 pages.
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im not an ic because i didnt join the queue as an icIn post 219, Inferno390 wrote:First off, stop acting like an IC, because you're not, and you do not know everything about how to play this game. There are other people in this game who are IC's and there is a reason that they are IC's, and there is a reason that you're not an IC.
can we not fill the thread with this bullshitIn post 206, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
this was why i votedIn post 186, Inferno390 wrote:Just because of this chain, I'm seriously starting to lean on a Sheep/Saul scumteam. Sheep has been nothing but negative on all my and Avi's reads and thoughts this game, Saul has contributed little to none in terms of real scumhunting (only 5 posts, an RVS vote, and a wild attack on Avi), and this looks like an attempt from Sheep to cover up a dumb response on Saul's part.
like the ic's do this in newbies so ima try
class, can someone tell me why this post is scummy?
What do you not like about 194?In post 249, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah I hated that post and it’s only thing giving me pause on Inferno.
You're at neutral because what you have posted doesn't strike me as either town or scum. You've also only posted 18 times, so I don't really have a read on you yet.In post 275, RedFlavor wrote:
Also why did you put sunset and saul on slight scumlean? I thought in 194 you saw a power claim, do you want to lynch power roles?In post 274, RedFlavor wrote:
Why am I at neutral? What do you think about me voting and put myself at l - 1In post 226, Inferno390 wrote:Updated readlist:
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Ask and I'll go into further detail on these reads.
Sunset I'm still slightly scumleaning because she only has 1 readpost, 6 posts, and what she has posted seems weak. While 194 could be a powerclaim, it could also be her saying that she doesn't want to lynch a power role, or it could be a scum gambit. In any case, the excuse for lurking is pretty weak.
Saul's posts seem incredibly defensive for town. He's constantly either avoiding a direct confrontation or getting very passive/aggressive whenever he's asked a question or any reading is done in his direction. Plus he has contributed basically nothing to this game. In fact, considering his posts over the last few pages (which I'll get to eventually), he looks even scummier than before.
I'm leaning heavily on a saul/sheep scumteam right now based on the information above."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I have said that I think you're scum over and over agin this game. n fact, my readlist has you listed as the scummiest person in this game. I just happened to be answering questions about Red, Saul, and Sunset in relation to my readlist in that post, which why your name never came up.In post 320, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i dont see you saying you think im scum until the last line in that post?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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You're null because what you have posted doesn't seem scummy or towny. It's also hard to read any of your posts as towny or scummy because I don't have a lot to work off of for you.
Sunset's also has few posts, but her posts seem significantly weaker or scummier than yours, hence the difference."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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"First few reads" =/= post 186, where I first make this statement. And if it wasn't true up until this post, I would've stopped saying it, don't you think?In post 331, sheepsaysmeep wrote:inferno
being "negative" about the first few reads of the game isnt a scumtell
do you have any actual reasons to think im scum
You've also contibuted very little to this game, there's a ton of empty posts in your ISO.
don't think anyone wants the day to end right now except scum.Creature wrote:To clarify I don't want the day to end rn.
This is directed at Red, sheep.sheepsaysmeep wrote:
and im the scummiest player in the game in your opinion like two posts agoIn post 332, Inferno390 wrote:You're null because what you have posted doesn't seem scummy or towny. It's also hard to read any of your posts as towny or scummy because I don't have a lot to work off of for you.
Sunset's also has few posts, but her posts seem significantly weaker or scummier than yours, hence the difference.
Which would be obvious if you'd been paying attention to the thread and actually read my post."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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A) Thanks for taking half of my post out of context.sheepsaysmeep wrote:In post 336, Inferno390 wrote:
"First few reads" =/= post 186In post 331, sheepsaysmeep wrote:inferno
being "negative" about the first few reads of the game isnt a scumtell
do you have any actual reasons to think im scum
yes it does actually
look who's talking lolIn post 336, Inferno390 wrote:You've also contibuted very little to this game
who does that these daysIn post 336, Inferno390 wrote: Which would be obvious if you'd been paying attention to the thread and actually read my post.
B) By post 186, we were 8 pages into the game, over half of what we have now. There was plenty of reading going on and we had moved far eyond "the first few reads."
C) I have done plenty of reading this game. Have I actually made a non-RVS post that was not me reading, expressing an opinion of a post, or clarifying my reads? you, on the other hand, are on the other end of this spectrum. I have 34 posts that all mean something. You have 127 that for the most part mean NOTHING.
This looks like an incredibly bad attempt to shade my entire game as shitposting.
D) Town. People trying to win the game. People trying to scumread rather than throwing out wild claims to make other's posts look bad.
Hey, look, Dia, I'm in a really obnoxious 1v1!"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Why are you voting me?
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You have like 10-15, looking at your ISO. Maybe 20.In post 342, sheepsaysmeep wrote:if i have 127 posts i hope i have more than 34 posts of contribution
it's not the ratio that matters
And the ratio does matter, because large amounts of shitposting in an attempt to look active is scummy behavior. Activity alone is NAI, but how much scumhuntng you actually do compared to how much you actually post is AI. It's scummy.
Sure, not reading every post is NAI.In post 343, sheepsaysmeep wrote:no like
who actually reads every post these days
i guess some tryhards do but it's not alignment indicative
Butyou've made several dumb mistakes by not carefully reading posts.
I don't read every post either, but I make sure I actually read a post before I respond to it.
Which you obviously are not.
TywinL? Is that you?RedFlavor wrote:because you are scum
Seriously, explain your claim. Because I've seen this nonsense before (in my first game, no less), and just calling me scum means nothing."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Yeah, and Ty actually PMed me the other day and told me that he was actually scum in that game, so this makes me all kind of leery of what's coming in terms of explanation.In post 347, Sunlit Diamond wrote:
This will end well. *lol*In post 344, RedFlavor wrote:because you are scum
Also, I'd like to point out that this is the second time I've been voted for with literally no explanation and I've had to wring it out of the voter. (The first one was sheep, and he didnt't even explain afterward.)"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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No, it's not a "nai playstyle thing". 1 Shitpost =/= scummy, but 90% shitposts == SCUMMY.In post 350, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
noIn post 346, Inferno390 wrote:And the ratio does matter, because large amounts of shitposting in an attempt to look active is scummy behavior. Activity alone is NAI, but how much scumhuntng you actually do compared to how much you actually post is AI. It's scummy.
this is literally just an nai playstyle thing
And looking back through your games, this is EXACTLY how sheep plays scum and NOT AT ALL how sheep plays town.
You are so scum it's ridiculous."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I think the point of this specific argum-- I mean, conversation is not whteher or not it's NAI but that you need to actually read posts before you reply to them please and thank you.In post 352, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
yeahIn post 346, Inferno390 wrote:
Sure, not reading every post is NAI.In post 343, sheepsaysmeep wrote:no like
who actually reads every post these days
i guess some tryhards do but it's not alignment indicative
Butyou've made several dumb mistakes by not carefully reading posts.
I don't read every post either, but I make sure I actually read a post before I respond to it.
Which you obviously are not.
it's nai
it doesnt matter
next
Oh, yeah, you did.In post 353, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i did explain actually
It was a frickin' OMGUS vote.In post 206, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
this was why i votedIn post 186, Inferno390 wrote:Just because of this chain, I'm seriously starting to lean on a Sheep/Saul scumteam. Sheep has been nothing but negative on all my and Avi's reads and thoughts this game, Saul has contributed little to none in terms of real scumhunting (only 5 posts, an RVS vote, and a wild attack on Avi), and this looks like an attempt from Sheep to cover up a dumb response on Saul's part.
like the ic's do this in newbies so ima try
class, can someone tell me why this post is scummy?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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My thoughts are Saul, creature to a lesser extent, or you.
You've mostly fallen becasue of the wild vote on me which you have failed to explain.
Saul for the reasons I have already stated.
Creature because he only has 26 posts and his reading doesn't seem very strong. I feel like as an SE his reads should be a bit stronger than they are.
Cool, I'm gonna link all the games where you play like this to the thread then.sheepsaysmeep wrote:inferno of course you can"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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All of these have you playing a lot like you're playing now. And I couldn't find one of you playing town like this (sheep was scum in all of these games).
Conclusion? This is your scum meta. Negative towards reads, not contributing, shitposting quite a bit, etc."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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In post 362, RedFlavor wrote:
if inferno flips scum then other is in saul and creature because of rule of threesIn post 361, Inferno390 wrote:My thoughts are Saul, creature to a lesser extent, or you.
You've mostly fallen becasue of the wild vote on me which you have failed to explain.
Saul for the reasons I have already stated.
Creature because he only has 26 posts and his reading doesn't seem very strong. I feel like as an SE his reads should be a bit stronger than they are.
Cool, I'm gonna link all the games where you play like this to the thread then.sheepsaysmeep wrote:inferno of course you can
saul most likely
Of course, these don't even consider you.In post 363, RedFlavor wrote:
if sheep is scum then it is in saul/infernoIn post 294, sheepsaysmeep wrote:red/saul/inferno are still my favorite lynches today; i can go with any of them
however these borh are only is true if sheep vs inferno is TvS
so it is probably saul again
This defintiely seems to be self-shading as town.
Rule of threes? What the heck is rule of threes?
I'd be good with a saul lynch today. That's where I would lean if not for sheep. Sheep is just wasy too scummy to ignore."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I did look thoguh your games. I messed up the second game becasue I misread it. Which is my bad.In post 367, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i told you didnt actually look through my games lol
my scum meta is really tryhard
my town meta is super laxed
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Okay, but this is assuming you know who scum is, which you don't, and that scum wouldn't give 3 non-scum name, which you don't know if they would do or not.In post 371, RedFlavor wrote:rule of threes is when a player is scum and outing reads like
"I scumread: Joy, Seulgi and Wendy"
one of joy seulgi and wendy is usually scum
it does not necessarily to be townread it can be other reads too
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And this is just a wild accusation of scummiest.
I would ask because you're basically going around assuming that people are scum and so one of these other people are scum. I don't care if the rule is true or not, at this point, your basing everything on assumptions...
to point an awful finger at Saul. Combined with the at Saul is playing, leaves me with one of two options:
A) Actually saul/sheep scumteam like you suggested, and saul is just really bad scum
B) Red is scum trying to use bad play from Saul to get a mislynch
I'm getting nowhere with my vote on sheep right now, and Red has been doing a lot of things that either feel anti-town to me of are obviously anti-town at the minimum, so
VOTE: Red
Gonna do some digging in this direction and come back to sheep closer to deadline."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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While I also do not like the vote, I also feel like this is grasping at straws for creature. I think that his vote was more of a reasonless vote, because he had formed opinions on other people and s he didn't want to voe on them... so he voted saul. Not exactly the strongest vote, but definitely not the weakest I've seen this game either.In post 385, RedFlavor wrote:
he voted saulIn post 383, sheepsaysmeep wrote:does someone want to explain what creature has done that is ai
but gutty read idk
That being said, what he has done does not feel like strong scumreading to me, so I've got a little scumlean on him."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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sheepsaysmeep wrote:so inferno
now do you want to try to find actual evidence against me
Going to ignore this because this is obviously scumbait and I learned my lesson from TywinL.sheepsaysmeep wrote:first help me try to see how being "negative to reads" is a scumtell"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I think that would be called the point of the shitpost style.In post 391, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Also I'm still feeling manic and the shit post style is giving me a splitting headache to read. >_<
Say, Dia, remember how in the Deco Murders there was so much talk about lynching annoying people becasue they were making it so hard to play the game?"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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No, that was aimed at sheep, not youIn post 404, RedFlavor wrote:
This post feels like he is going to suggest dia to lynch me because he called me antitownIn post 401, Inferno390 wrote:
I think that would be called the point of the shitpost style.In post 391, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Also I'm still feeling manic and the shit post style is giving me a splitting headache to read. >_<
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I moved my vote to you and I'm not going to get pulled back into a 1v1 with sheep where all he does is discredit my claims and tells me everything I see is NAI. Which is not to say that I haven't made some mistakes in this exchange, but still.In post 408, RedFlavor wrote:
WaitIn post 406, sheepsaysmeep wrote:lurkers are why you have vigs
396 is newbscum or vi
sunlit im psure you dont think inferno is vi?
I dont understand his reason to not answer you
I'm also starting to notice that sheep is acting a lot like Ty was that game...
which is pretty NAI, but also something to think about."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Okay activity =/= town. Just becasue Sheep has 150 posts does not mean that mosts of those posts mean anything. In fact, lots of sheeps posts have no value to the town. Sheep has actually contributed very little to town in comparison to some of the other, more active players.In post 427, RedFlavor wrote:Sheep is doing towny things like scumhunting and has like 150 posts
Creature is same but it also has a bit gutread"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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You have 3 times the posts of everyone else and about 1/5 of the quality of everyone else.
As for contributing the most, Red, Dia, and I have definitely contributed more than you have. Because most of you're stuff over the first 8 pages is telling me and Avi that our reads are wrong.
I say red because his posts seem actively immersed in the game, sifting through posts. Your posts are definitely the other side of the scale.
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ACTIVITY =/= TOWN"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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I'm not buying that you've contibuted more than any other person in this game.In post 449, sheepsaysmeep wrote:im just not buying that after 18 pages you only have one "kind of i guess" read"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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Oh, and@Mod, I'm going to be LA until Monday due to a lot of things going on this weekend."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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A) Why would you awnser your own question here.In post 454, RedFlavor wrote:
Omgus probablyIn post 452, RedFlavor wrote:Lol there are at least 2 scum in my wagon
Also whats the reason for people to vote me
B) I think people have plenty of reasons to vote you and you just want ot brush them off as OMGUS.
C) This is funny coming from the guy who never explained why he's voting for me."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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This isIn post 435, sheepsaysmeep wrote:fuck no have they contributed more than i have
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my fucking posts
also red pmuch doesnt actually contribute
A) A wild attack on Red by shading him as not contributing to the town
B) blatantly ridiculous, becasue approximately 75 percent (and that's generous based on what your early game looked like) of your posts are not contributing, just telling people that they're wrong or their reads are NAI, or calling me scum.
Which leaves you with a maximum of 44 posts that actually mean something, and everyone I mentioned has more posts than that.
I agree that a little bit of fluffing is NAI, but the amount of "fluffing" you're doing is not "fluffing." When your posts make up 1/4 of the total posts in the game and your posts take up half the page, it ceases to be "fluffing." And this has been the case the eniter game.In post 436, sheepsaysmeep wrote:holy shit why can you not understand that fluffing is just nai
You can come up with terms and claim to be contributing all you want, sheep, but telling everyone that they are wrong is not contributing, and fluffing is not a 75% post ratio."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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