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Your group includes 2 people who should know that answer and your group should care enough about my alignment to have already brought it up.
If the question hasn't come up in discord: I refuse to play with Cabd.
Furthermore I made it clear before the games started which game I was playing in to avoid him joining my game, but he still chose to follow me into my game.
I complained to the mods, they wouldn't do anything, so I swapped out. To this game in particular because Firebringer was already complaining about Mastina being in the game.
Okay, if it just came up five minutes ago then that's something.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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In post 19, Aneninen wrote:VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Look, who's back!
Aren't you happy? Aren't you all happy? ^_^2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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In post 56, RadiantCowbells wrote:super hyped for the normal2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Because there's definitely a U in omgusing me.
I'm not sure this is the optimal use case but I'm still thinking about iti'm not personally since i think creature's going to be the clear pick since most ppl can lock his alignment D1. i dont see the point in doing so now
I mean. he could have just not joined either of the normals. I don't think that's that unreasonable an expectation.To be fair that's not really that clear, you could have been joining smith's normal and I don't know how well Cabd knows you to assume you'd pick ether's over mhsmith's.
I'm having a hard time seeing how any of this relevant to anyone's alignment except maybe besides Reck being town tbh
the swap is obviously not AI though considering that if there were an issue with one of the player's alignments it would have been resolved before their team picked role pms
I obviously fucked up there, but that doesn't mean that what Cabd did was acceptable.
I'm just trying to get you to L-1 it's totally differentWhy are you trying to get rid of me so soon2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I would have known that Firebringer was playing a scum slot from the beginning. If I wanted to take a scum slot in this game I would have.In post 39, xRECKONERx wrote:think RC's team saw FB's slot/scumteam and RC swooped into the rescue but i can't vote there yet because i promised to policy RVS vote the spam squad
For this to be a viable belief you have to think that either I'm either fudging my reason for switching or that I knew Cabd would join Ether's game: which is it?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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You say this like you don't.In post 47, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 16, Something_Smart wrote:Uh, because the rules forbid it maybe?
Why does the first quote assume it has anything to do with alignment? Do you believe RC's reason?In post 20, Something_Smart wrote:If the reason had anything to do with the alignment of the other slot, he wouldn't be able to talk about it.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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err.In post 49, Katyusha wrote:From the five or so minutes I spent thinking about it I can't see a difference in who gets to have it, besides the fact that if scum gets it it's completely useless.
It's not like hider is a difficult PR to use either so it's not really the person who gets it so much as it is their alignment - and creature is the only person here we can collectively agree on his alignment early on
I think that we potentially want to give hider to the third scummiest player to check the second scummiest player and lynch the scummiest.
That way we know who the result is on no matter what without risking someone dying.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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We can always lynch the second scummiest player if we're concerned they're scum and then confirm the result that way.
But with hider if the hider dies by targeting scum or getting shot we don't know what the actual result was unless it's public, and if it's public we gamble with the hide.
Yes 100%Does cheeky have knowledge of the past games, RC? Y/n?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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don't tell me how to feelIn post 55, xRECKONERx wrote:
dat mad AtE overreaction thoIn post 43, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Reckonerx
I'm not dealing with this shit. I went out of my way to restrict the games I could join so I wouldn't get typecast as a player who would try to pick scum.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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How does this work, exactly?In post 56, CheekyTeeky wrote:just try to get a read on him normally.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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How many years did you go undefeated as scum? Asking for a friend of a friend.In post 63, xRECKONERx wrote:ill also add someone playing AtE as meta doesn't mean they can't use it to hide as scum because i fucking wrote the book on that 8 years ago
okay bye
Reckoner is either scum or his team told him to attempt to policy lynch me and either way I want him gone.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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CABD WAS IN MY GAME HOW HAVE I NOT ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION?In post 68, chesskid3 wrote:
HI CAN YOU JUST FUCKING ANSWER THE QUESTION THANKSIn post 17, RadiantCowbells wrote:Your group includes 2 people who should know that answer and your group should care enough about my alignment to have already brought it up.
If the question hasn't come up in discord: I refuse to play with Cabd.
Furthermore I made it clear before the games started which game I was playing in to avoid him joining my game, but he still chose to follow me into my game.
I complained to the mods, they wouldn't do anything, so I swapped out. To this game in particular because Firebringer was already complaining about Mastina being in the game.
Okay, if it just came up five minutes ago then that's something.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I think that Reckoner as scum would see himself as a superior player than me and make this play. Nothing he's said has indicated he has any personal respect for my play and he wouldn't have had time to be briefed by Cheetory or anyone if they just weren't around. I also think it's possible that Hiplop told him to try to lynch me at all costs
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Nothing that reckoner has done here is at all difficult to pull off as scum.In post 75, Hinduragi wrote:
lolIn post 67, GuiltyLion wrote:
what'd you think of 55 and 61?In post 49, Katyusha wrote:pedit: Guilty if it's not clear from the above I dont think scum really have any reason to prod at it because most people arent going to follow a push there for that reasoning seriously if they know Raybells is town. it's a town line of questioning it's just really stupid
I kind of agree I guess because I'd be scared in general to come after RC as scum, but I don't know Reck at all. gonna ask if Dino or kmd have Reck experience
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Reck's obvtown so far but could maybe pull this in his best days as scum. Posting as much as he has in so short a time though? Nope.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I have seen very little evidence that he's trying to sort my alignment and a lot of evidence that he's trying to build up to a noisy confrontation.In post 81, Hinduragi wrote:Also, RC isn't scary to Reck. That's not the part that makes it obvious. It's making him react like that and the "gotcha" and trying to see about his alignment that's telling. Noone's scared of RC.
What has he done that's actually helped to sort me in any way besides to query me on the Cabd situation?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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bullshit and based on even what little he claims to know he should know thatIn post 55, xRECKONERx wrote:
dat mad AtE overreaction thoIn post 43, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Reckonerx
I'm not dealing with this shit. I went out of my way to restrict the games I could join so I wouldn't get typecast as a player who would try to pick scum.
pure grandstandingIn post 61, xRECKONERx wrote:oh honey i was fiending for you to get all cocky and come @ me early
please keep em coming
im headed to bed
Pure grandstandingIn post 63, xRECKONERx wrote:ill also add someone playing AtE as meta doesn't mean they can't use it to hide as scum because i fucking wrote the book on that 8 years ago
okay bye
What's so locktown about Reckoner from the opening? Because I think querying the switch is a fairly obvious opener for scum2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Why not?In post 97, Hinduragi wrote:
Yeah. Likely? Ehhh, not really.In post 95, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hindu, do you think it's possible that Reckoner is pushing on me because he wanted to pick a huge noisy fight and get written off as town for it?
The progression on me feels like he wanted to push on me a lot more than it feels natural.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Like I don't think that Reck would have the same worries of pushing me as the average people who played in 2017 are. In his own words only Kilby was on and Kilby doesn't respect my town game the same way he respects my scumgame.
See the thing is that I don't lose this fight.Which you're playing right into if that's the case.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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For the record I have an 100% record, minus one game, of reading Adenine to the point of trying to fakeclaim cop guilties on him
let's make {adenine, cheekyteeky, katyusha} my job to sort and you all sort other people2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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stealing this for pagetopIn post 124, RadiantCowbells wrote:For the record I have an 100% record, minus one game, of reading Adenine to the point of trying to fakeclaim cop guilties on him
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Why are you pushing back against everyone who is expressing reasons to townread me?In post 156, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 132, Something_Smart wrote:
It's exactly what I would expect RC to say though.
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hi mastina firebringer sends his undying love and devotion and begs you to abandon your preexisting relationship for him
if I was scum you'd be townreading me by now, easy. thank you for locking me as town.Not really
Maybe weakly - the best reason I can pull out of my ass is that I can see where you’re coming from in terms of reads2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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if there were no inventions I would strongly encourage lynching reckoner before the morning
not even because the strength of the read justifies it just because it would be awesome
how many lsc memes does it take for you to townread meActually had that thought considering how your townplay felt that one time bUT YOU KNOW THAT PROBABLY,,,,2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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You give the hider to creature, he doesn't claim a target he potentially dies on scum for no information, he does claim one he just dies, he claims a group and if there's scum in that group it's super easy for them to kill another in the group and make it look like he died hiding behind killed townIn post 183, Katyusha wrote:Mastina if your strategy is to elect your strongest townread what do you think of giving it to creature assuming he’s town?
Scum!creature probabilitywise is pretty low so I’m fine assuming he’s town and not electing him until I have an Actual Readtm
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if we're not doing what I'm saying then I would take the hider over creature but it's the wrong play
If we give scum the role and they fakeclaim an inno on someone without dying then we already know there's a good chance of something being up so we can just lynch the person with the hider and confirm/deny the inno yes it's possible for us to lose an inno but we're killing scum if we lose an innoNot a good plan since nothing stops scum from getting the role and just lying about the result. We want the user to be definitively town; we also want to trust in the competency of the user to know how to get utility out of the role and frankly you're the player who most meets those criteria for me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Okay so there's 3 outcomes.In post 187, Katyusha wrote:
This is my take on it as wellIn post 186, mastina wrote:Not a good plan since nothing stops scum from getting the role and just lying about the result.
I guess the advantage raybells sees is that it forces a relationship between the two slots but scum already know everyone’s alignment and can work around any scenario as well
Town hides behind Scum: in which case instant guilty.
Scum claims to hide behind anyone: Know something is up by lack of dying, lynch the scum, we lose the inno/guilty but kill scum
Town hides behind Town: 99% of the time scum takes the double kill and we just lynched 3 scummy people in one cycle
If they don't do that, we lynch the hider and end up with an inno.
I would like to think about this while I am not at 3:20 since I might be wrong but this seemed like the right play2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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In my team we had most of the team except for Keychain who was busy tramping around talking about all the playerlists as soon as they went up so from that perspective it does seem weird that you didn't notice my switch. Obviously our personal situations don't align with everyone's on your team but I don't think that there's anything skeevy about my reaction.I don't understand. I'm saying I didn't buy RC's explanation.
That was also prior to Shea or Keely being online. They've since both confirmed that Cabd and RC have major problems with each other and that it's not bullshit. Keely notes however that RC's expectation that Shea/Keely would've already briefed me on that note is "skeevy".
I don't think it's at all difficult to believe: it's not exactly uncommon knowledge. At the very least you choosing to pick a fight with me and say that you don't believe me without doing anything to verify my claim feels like you're not actually interested in an explanation but are instead looking for a reason to push on me.In post 226, xRECKONERx wrote:man i have such a hard time believing Spiffeh actually truly with his heart of hearts thinks I'm scum for reading the RC swap as bullshit before I had teammates online to give context
like i am REALLY having a hard time swallowing that
@Anen can you ask Spiffeh why he's shit pls i need good stronk town spiffeh here to talk you off the ledge
That said I don't want to start overcommitting to reads before I've had some time to let the game play itself, so if you're town feel free to show it.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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S_S's self meta is accurate but doesn't make him town. If I had to lock him into a read I would say town
Mastina's reason for townreading me is shit but I'm getting deja vu and I feel like I've been in this exact position with her before and she's been town.
I think that CK3 is a lot likelier scum than a lot of the people currently getting wagoned but I don't want to commit to that
Reckoner pissed me off so I don't trust my read there right now and will go back to it later.
No comment on Cheeky at this time
If RC/Adenine/Creature/Katyusha/Mastina are all town then we're 3 short of poe
Coming from who? I certainly don't nullread youRaybells do you think it makes sense to nullread me in this gamestate2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Err. He's like postured up to 12 when he's scum and you get the impression he goes over his posts like 5 times before he posts them and everything feels really carefully crafted
This does not feel like that and given the context of team mafia I would expect him to be more forced and careful than usual as either alignment but he feels very fluid here like he is as town2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
- Smooth Criminal
- Smooth Criminal
- Posts: 70855
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
- Smooth Criminal
- Smooth Criminal
- Posts: 70855
- Joined: February 24, 2013
- Pronoun: He/him
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
- Smooth Criminal
- Smooth Criminal
- Posts: 70855
- Joined: February 24, 2013
- Pronoun: He/him
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
- Smooth Criminal
- Smooth Criminal
- Posts: 70855
- Joined: February 24, 2013
- Pronoun: He/him