Let's ignore the fact that I'm voting for another scumread of mine.
Also, why have you summoned RC to this post? Can't you cope with the situation alone?
In post 2179, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Can you also at least pretend you've read my responses to your case and tell me why I'm still scum?
I think everything I posted about you before is still true. Plus, it's amazing how you evaded to give a real answer for my 2168 and 2175. The more I read you the scummier you look.
UNVOTE: VOTE: CheekyTeeky
Unfortunately we are either lynching myself or Mastina today so if you want your vote to carry weight you need to choose between the two
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Post #2190 (isolation #601) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:46 am
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In post 2184, chesskid3 wrote:Your vote on me is strict adherence to bing bang boom 3 lynch pattern yes?
Cheeky pls confirm
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Post #2192 (isolation #602) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:49 am
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Word
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Post #2196 (isolation #603) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:06 pm
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In post 2193, Aneninen wrote:(1) How many times has that program worked so far? Once? Twice? If there were at least 20 proven occasions I might believe it works.
(2) Even so, I daresay, it would be banned – or all players would learn how to "out-smart" it and soon it would be worth pigeon poop.
(3) Most importantly, Mafia is not played like that. I would rather have, say, a 30-page LyLo with you and RC where I am to find out which one of you the scum is, than use a program to solve it with no effort. Seriously.
You know you sound like everyone who thought Deep Blue was going to get crushed, or Watson couldn't play Jeopardy, or AlphaGo was going to get crushed, etc etc yes?
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In post 2196, chesskid3 wrote:You know you sound like everyone who thought Deep Blue was going to get crushed, or Watson couldn't play Jeopardy, or AlphaGo was going to get crushed, etc etc yes?
Are all the other players here agree that we should trust a programme instead of getting reads in the conventional way? If so, I'll step back.
Enough have confirmed that this particular program works.
I also really like the point S_S raised that resolving this ASAP is clearly beneficial to town, and I have, for almost 600 points now been on the exact same page, while RC bounces around reactively etcetcetc.
So I'm really not sure how it's a difficult decision voting mastina vs voting me but it doesn't much matter so
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Post #2203 (isolation #605) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:16 pm
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I mean...there's no such thing as coincidence. Your behavior clearly changed after #1669. You've been attributing it to Cheeky's #1668, but....
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Post #2204 (isolation #606) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:17 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
If getting lynched is what it takes to make Mastina -> RC happen, then I'll get lynched thumbsup.jpg
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In post 2194, Aneninen wrote:If there were very little time, eg. 1 day left, I'd join either wagon.
Why do you think Chesskid is the best possible lynch?
Because he's forcing the game to come down to a choice between those two possible lynches.
If there's enough support that backs lynching GL or Srceenplay and putting the hider on 1/2 of Chess/Mastina I would be fine with that as well.
In my very first game on MafiaScum I was doing the very same. (Although without any kind of "scumputer".) I got involved in a classical "you or me" fight, communicated everything badly and kept shouting "lynch him or lynch me! I know who the scums are and either lynch will confirm me! Blah, blah." Needless to say, both of us were town. Even if I solved the game at LyLo, I had so little town credit that I got lynched.
I too think Chesskid doesn't help town with this gameplay, but I don't think he's scum. Therefore, he's not a good lynch.
I'd rather lynch Srceenplay.
What do you think of Cheeky?
Joined: August 09, 2010
Please have more faith.
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Post #2208 (isolation #608) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:22 pm
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Another point if I would is usually when a game is dominated by an incredibly loud TvT fight, there's a (scum) contingent happy to stand on the sidelines and whine "BUT IT MIGHT BE TvT" while making no effort to actually stop things.
You'll notice the near complete absence of that in this game. This is TvS.
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In post 2182, chesskid3 wrote:No, I really shouldn't because every post TODAY not spent deciding whether we are lynching
Chesskid -> Mastina -> RC
or Mastina -> RC
is a post that creates chaos and gives chances for people to lose their grip on the guilty and the plan
Isn't it strange how eagerly Cheeky voted for Chesskid in the middle of a fight with me (whom she, as far as I know, scumreads)?
The same thing I said to Cheeky about you applies to you about Cheeky. There's 1.5 scum in Mastina + RC, so while you might think you have something your odds are bad.
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Post #2211 (isolation #610) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
There's a lot of things you're just turning a blind eye to because you want to be the authority on how to play mafia.
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All I'm doing is making sure of that. I'm actually engaging with everyone in the game so no blind eyes here
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Post #2214 (isolation #612) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:28 pm
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Well, that, and making sure that RC!scum doesn't have a way out either after devoting 65 pages to the SAVE MASTINA crusade
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In post 2158, RadiantCowbells wrote:But I am not willing to ruin the game for everyone to push a lynch like Chesskid is.
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Post #2227 (isolation #616) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:43 pm
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In post 2221, Aneninen wrote:Yeah.
And if you can find a pigeon in my ISO, that means I'm either town or not. Trust me, it works!
Do you know the difference because AI/Machine Learning and tarot cards? Do you have an established history of whipping out your deck and reading the scum team?
If not, stop making bad comparisons
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Sure, I do not often feel like people are ruining the game in my town games because as town I am usually a strong mediator.
Rather than arguing statistical likeliness in a vacuum you need to argue I would not be using this phrase as town. Given that I am not the only one who has said the exact same thing to you, you'd have to be incredibly dense to think that it's related to my alignment.
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Post #2230 (isolation #618) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:45 pm
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Disclaimer: This is a meme
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Post #2231 (isolation #619) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:45 pm
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In post 2228, RadiantCowbells wrote:And frankly that is exactly my problem with Elli's tool and the whole concept of statistical analysis as a tool to determine alignments.
Lmfao this is not from the engine obviously
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Post #2233 (isolation #620) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:47 pm
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Why would I answer that affirmatively or negatively lmfao
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If he flips town, I'm following whatever plan he lays out.
Cool! For the record that plan is
CK town -> Mastina (scum) -> RC (regardless, but good odds of scum! Don't let him wriggle out he's going to drastically change his tune after mastina flip but dont you dare let him out!)
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Post #2236 (isolation #622) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:50 pm
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That's not going to happen, but if I flip scum or Mastina flips town you are released from any further obligations
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Post #2238 (isolation #623) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:55 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
also another mention of the fact that this whole entire day of play doesn't make sense from scum CK, but scumstina + scum RC the world makes sense again
but I also think if ya'll cant bring it home from the gamestate we'll be in after lynching me into Mastina into RC we deserve to lose anyway so I'm not going to scream and scream
but I will talk a little!
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Post #2240 (isolation #624) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:03 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
In post 2239, Srceenplay wrote:@chess. Why out a tell on RC but not out the tell on Mastina?
that's not a tell it's a meme
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Post #2242 (isolation #625) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:13 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
???
'Ruin game' has been a meme since beneath the mask. RC is scum, but not because he used the word ruin. Ignore it.
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Post #2245 (isolation #626) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:43 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Sorry it's so much to read EP!
Are you going to stand in the way of the 1v1 or are you ok with trusting that it's TvS and voting me or mastina (pref mastina obvs, and it matches your read order )
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Post #2249 (isolation #627) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:10 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Don't skim over #1669 EP.
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Post #2253 (isolation #628) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:36 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
In post 2251, Errantparabola wrote:I wouldn't mind lynching you then mastina and it worries me that people aren't really considering that option.
Check the VC when it shows up they most definitely are
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Post #2254 (isolation #629) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:37 pm
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The deal is me -> mastina -> RC btw, not just me -> Mastina
with the deal severed if either I don't flip town or Mastina doesn't flip scum
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RC scumreading GL and me while theyre both voting me is hilarious btw.
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: I do believe I am on Hinduragi. Just got home and read this VC, I'll be back Friday afternoon.
Chara was on earlier just make sure to chat
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Post #2261 (isolation #632) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:41 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Like, ask her to explain to you why you should sheep me (and Elli) on this
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Post #2262 (isolation #633) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:47 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Katyusha I know u haven't posted since I last posted at you but ask transcend what it was that 100% guiltied him in surrep
sheep now or after I flip etc etc
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Post #2263 (isolation #634) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:48 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Hindu I know you also havent read and Cabd is going thru some RL stuff but ask him about elli 100% guilty on Cephrir in Maplewood
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Post #2264 (isolation #635) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:49 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Creature I think you already spoke to Mulch and are on board but you can see the VC so vote
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Post #2265 (isolation #636) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:50 pm
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I need assurance that if I die first this is 100% sheeped, and then RC is lynched after mastina flips scum.
I have this assurance from S_S and Cheeky I need it from 9 more players to be mathematically safe from scum lying about sheeping
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Post #2266 (isolation #637) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:54 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
Screenplay I know you're on board I just need that firm commitment
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Post #2267 (isolation #638) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:58 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
And EP I got the sense that you're on board as well and I know you just read 91 pages of garbage but I'd appreciate the commitment too.
I wouldn't be locking myself into this trajectory if it didn't feel like the only way to take down mastina and RC.
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Post #2270 (isolation #639) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:08 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
I'm fine with C, I just need your commitment of Mastina into RC. Both.
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Post #2272 (isolation #640) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:12 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
In post 2269, Katyusha wrote:A: You make a full readlist by putting everyone into it (I can provide games for myself if needed since I hydra very frequently and I'm an alt, Some of my hydra games should just count as games played by me on a different account considering that my other head in those games barely posted but I dont know how much that impacts it), B: Explain the specifics of the tell, or C: Get any sort of near lock-town credibility (which at this point is exclusively a town flip)
A's not possible either so. C is definitely fine with me I am not at all greedy.
Mastina. RC. 2 lives, 1 for Chesskid and 1 for Elli.
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In post 2270, chesskid3 wrote:I'm fine with C, I just need your commitment of Mastina into RC. Both.
I know you're fine with C. I care about A.
I also don't see any reason to commit to Mastina > RC without a result from the algorithm as well. I'll use my own judgement, thanks.
pedit: Why is A impossible
1. Thats not how it works
2. Even if it did I dont have it I just have outputs on some players. Not the whole playerlist.
The deal is Mastina into RC. My townflip and Mastinas 100% scumflip should provide enough that this is sheeped and I need that commitment before I bravely step up to the noose. If I were merely 1v1ing mastina, there's no world where I would accept my own lynch
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Post #2277 (isolation #642) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:30 pm
Postby chesskid3 »
GuiltyLion as well, since we spoke earlier and you/MathDino have knowledge I would appreciate your commitment as well, should I die first that you will lynch Mastina into RC
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Post #2280 (isolation #643) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:34 pm
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In post 1669, chesskid3 wrote:Well I can't seem to find the MD posts but I know it was spoken about in Surrep, but Elli has a beta program where you basically feed it a lot of meta information from past games and it finds various meta tells.
I was super skeptical this thing existed until he showed me how it cleared vonflare and caught transcend scum in Surrep after the game
Anyway long story short during game prep Elli and I ran some more popular etc posters including Mastina. In addition to my scumread, and I wasn't even gonna do this since I think it's kinda lame, somewhere in her posting she dropped a sure thing scumtell.
I cannot and will not reveal it because I don't want to get murdered by Elli, but I can assure you with every fiber of my being that mastina is scum.
Now that's fine if you dont believe me, but given how RC is playing we aren't getting anywhere, so one of the following 2 needs to happen and I need promises in blood from the game they will.
Lynch Mastina If scum, lynch RC. Hider stays away from the entire situation.
Lynch chesskid. If town, lynch Mastina. If Mastina scum, lynch RC. Hider again stays away from the entire situation.
I explained here. I don't see a reason to say who I potentially would or wouldn't have information on.
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Post #2285 (isolation #644) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:44 pm
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In post 2283, Katyusha wrote:The reason to out that is because if you have a surefire scumread of Mastina then you have other fucking accurate reads town needs to hear if you’re actually town. Why wouldn’t you out it???
I think you don't maybe understand how it works.
1) What I have are a set of tells with varying confidence levels for a set of players.
2) This does not mean I know their alignment in every (even most) case, their behavior has to match the tells for them to apply.
3) Generally speaking, these tells aren't "XYZ said ABC and they only do that as scum." It's much more complicated.
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If you have a tell on Mastina and it’s from 8 posts, is she not clever enough to figure it out? Might as well Out it to everyone so the less clever get it as well.
Ellibereth wrote:I don't out tells so people can't adjust.
You're welcome to ask Ellibereth after team mafia ends but it won't be from my lips you hear it.
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Ellibereth wrote:okok guys I'm mainly doing this because it's going to piss him off but it's funny so you guys should sheep it.
Not from program.
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Post #2292 (isolation #647) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:55 pm
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In post 2289, Katyusha wrote:Meaning you don’t actually have the tool. Am I correct in understanding this?
Yep this is right we sat down the last time I was at his and we ran it on some people and we talked about it a lot, and I've got notes/tells from that saved.
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And, again, even if they’re not entirely accurate I see zero reason to not at least out the other tells (e.g., “Anen let out a weak scumtell of theirs”). Just who and what. There’s literally zero reason to not share and it only helps your credibility
I wasn't cagey about that I said somewhere in thread in a response to 1669 that I did not have the program only Elli does etc. I assumed this was common knowledge by now.
I appreciate your commitment on Mastina - I want to wait for everyone else I addressed individually to respond and then I'll address everyone.
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Post #2296 (isolation #649) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:06 pm
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In post 1697, chesskid3 wrote:It's not my program and I don't have the source. I have the output OF it on some players, in particular Mastina, and am sure of my/its read. No, I can't share it.
If you want Elli talking about it check the recently completed Surrep game I can mbe link later when im not phoneposting cuz I have to go find it.
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1. RC is basically admitting the tool probably exists and works, as a matter of fact it looks at some of the things RC thinks it doesn't look at yet.
2. I welcome any larger ethics discussion outside of this game. The point of this game is to WIN. We aren't halting a team Mafia game that I've handed to you on a silver platter for an ethics debate.
3. I have more to say but I am waiting on the requested commitments from the players I have directly asked.
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Post #2350 (isolation #651) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:53 am
Postby chesskid3 »
In post 2348, CheekyTeeky wrote:Chesskid I can't sleep, tell me more about the tool and why mastona is scum.
Well I tried to outline for dozens of pages this game why I scumread mastina independently of any tool but that was ignored.
I've also explained at a high level how the tool functions.
I think I cannot give you what you're asking for but I think you already know this is legit, or just need to take that small leap as I deliver you two scum.
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Post #2351 (isolation #652) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:07 am
Postby chesskid3 »
In post 2342, RadiantCowbells wrote:Let's be completely sure because if we're lynching Chesskid regardless of flip we're hiding defensively. Please unvote reck.
We also need to stop even thinking of listening to scum continually divert the hider. It goes to Reck or Creature or Cheeky or someone town and they use their judgement, but away from the firm commitments that will have been made if I am being lynched to prove my alignment.
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Post #2355 (isolation #653) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:49 am
Postby chesskid3 »
In post 2353, Srceenplay wrote:And add that if Mastina and chess both flip town chess is consya game thrower.
Works for me!
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Post #2356 (isolation #654) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:36 am
Postby chesskid3 »
Actually I'll take a stricter condition. If Mastina AND RC don't flip scum after I flip town you can call it gamethrowing
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Post #2359 (isolation #655) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:12 am
Postby chesskid3 »
EP I'll have a bigger post later once people have checked in but I think what's optimal is lynching me, giving reck hider and having him divebomb RC for the guilty since I see RC managing to spam and wriggle his way out of this even after Mastina flips scum. (Or of course lynch mastina and reck hidea RC) Then once they're both confirmed scum they can be lynched in either order amd from there the game is in the hands of the surviving players. I have some people I'm confident are not the 3rd scum and again that wjll be in my post later but I don't know for sure who #3 is. I'll give a pool
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Post #2360 (isolation #656) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:13 am
Postby chesskid3 »
Like once people have checked in and confirmed I have no doubt mastina is dead on arrival as the program will be sheeped. RC I'm less sure will be lynched but is no less scum. Your read on how and why he exploded this thread is the correct one
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In post 2371, RadiantCowbells wrote:If Chess and Mastina are both town I take negative responsibility for that situation because I've gone out of my way to try to minimize the damage that that situation would do.
Don't pin any of this on me
You literally fuelled the spamfest. If you hsd stopped responding to Chess after you don't made your points into of whatever it was then it wouldn't have happened, or it wouldn't have been as bad.
Please remember this come day 3 if there's a scenario where hider isn't divebombing RC tonight for the 100%. Because he will distract and wriggle but me town and Mastina scum clearly shows his actions for what they were. Blow up the thread to save mastina/take me down as I had quite a lot of steam going.
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Post #2376 (isolation #659) » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:18 am
Postby chesskid3 »
As an update, since I know the ball keeps moving pretty quickly around these parts! This is what is going to happen, in order:
1. everyone who is pending (you all got nice personal messages, please answer them!) checks in that they will be good sheep following chesskid lynch for confirmed town status
2. Creature/Reck/Cheeky Teeky is elected, I literally don't care.
3. Wagon me to L-2
4. Wait for me to post (this is probably the most important step!)
5. =================[]
You may continue your side discussions in the meantime but try to stay somewhat on topic!
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