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[kuribo]

do you agree that if there's scum in this hood, all the town abstaining does nothing but give the scum in the hood free rein to vote remove whoever they want?

So then when someone turns up voteless you know you have a mole that's voting against the town's abstaining



But no just use it in ways you think are "funny"

[kuribo]

I townread gamma and have no problem with him having an LMS ability

[kuribo]

Eddie Cane has an announcement about the last man standing powers:

If you think that a hood is TvS (+1 dead slot obv), then it's still worth lynching the scum in that hood. Worst case, you leave one scum alive and they can't use their LMS power in a way that's blatantly obvious, because then they just out themselves as scum. It's not smart to ignore scumreads just because you don't want scum to potentially have LMS, because there's enough info out there about the neighborhoods that it will be laughably easy to catch them. This setup is really simple at its core.

I think you should channel Eddie more often



I like him a lot better than I like you right now

[kuribo]

ok firebringer

Okay realtalk, what were you hoping to accomplish making me voteless because it was "funny?"


Were you hoping I'd get pissed off and scream nonstop? Fill the thread with forty pages of nonsense? Maybe even get banned? How is any of that a town mindset? Is that funny to you?


How can you sit there and talk about your ability should be roleblocked when you're choosing to use it "to be funny" in the first place?

[kuribo]

like I expected it to be a thing for like 2 days and then it would be over and we'd move on

I didn't think it would be that big an issue that it would be cascading this far and outright threatening to derail the game because it basically fizzled out the first time and ended up having no impact on anything

You are aware that DEB and I are completely different people who would respond differently to being made voteless

In a twelve year body of work on this site, what in my history, knowing all you've ever known about my personality would ever cause you to think I'd "just drop it."

I don't think I've ever just dropped anything.

I spent six years waiting to be town against GreyICE-scum so that I could repay him for mislynching me

I still owe CKD a lynch from 2008.

[kuribo]

I'm sorry

Well it's about god damn time

[kuribo]

Dr Easy Bake (6): Gammagooey, Almost50, chennisden, Flavor Leaf, Ankamius, MariaR

I think this wagon has very good odds of being all town

Way to PoE me for not being on a wagon when you literally took away my vote

[kuribo]

I have a hard time circling to a scum read on nom just because the emotion and anger on D1 read town to me


Someone make the case for nom


Not that I can do anything about it today thanks to Ank

[kuribo]

No but like a wagon wagon, or like a nonstarter wagon?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh compared to the rest of the playerlist I'd say a wagon wagon. They were the counter wagon to the survivor lynch and were srsly talked about day 1 before the mod kill.

That survivor wagon was well-deserved.

Imma paraphrase DGB: That survivor wagon was a lynch on scum. It just happens they didn't FLIP scum.

[kuribo]

How about, and I know this is a really insane idea.

We focus on who's been scummy instead of getting blinded by who gets x power and who's in what hood.

You can do both!

The power / hood / mechanics stuff is double edged. Do it too much in this game and you'll get a witch hunt that wipes out an all town hood and all it's abilities with it. Do it right and combine it with the behavior / voting patterns and it can reveal the manipulations we almost have to assume are going on at some level.

Correct. Hence my assertion that we can do both.

MariaR's statement came in response to our discussion on DEB's LMS. There's no reason we can't call DEB scummy and also look at what will happen with the hood's LMS ability.

I agree on this


We can't be afraid to lynch scum just because we could be wrong and be giving scum an LMS ability


Like that could literally go for every single game ever if you're afraid to lynch scum.


We gotta lynch all of the scum anyway.

[kuribo]

I still want someone to explain why mom is scum. Not that I can vote about it thanks to Ank but I'd still like to know why the scumreads there.


As I said I felt like the D1 flip out was really town, and I do read emotion better than most people on the site

[kuribo]

I still want someone to explain why mom is scum.

EBWOP

Nom not mom


My mom isn't scum she just likes heroin and makes bad life choices and alienates everyone in her life by being mean and toxic or cold and indifferent to them

[kuribo]

I still want someone to explain why mom is scum. Not that I can vote about it thanks to Ank but I'd still like to know why the scumreads there.


As I said I felt like the D1 flip out was really town, and I do read emotion better than most people on the site

You of all people should know that scum can flip out too

Yah no shit, and what I'm telling you is I can tell the difference. Possibly better than anyone else.

My entire play style for years was based on driving people into an emotional response and then judging their reactions. It's just that it turns out it's not sustainable because it's hard to get the murdercock soft again and it's emotionally draining on me.

[kuribo]

Sure whatever I'll claim. Maybe it'll spur some discussion.

My Neighborhood has the ability to role block the group ability of another Neighborhood. We vote on a player, and then that player's Neighborhood is blocked. We picked Davesaz both nights, though tbh I'm not really sure the deeper motivations because I replace in more or less as night ended.

At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are, since I think our ability is good if Neighborhoods start whittling away and town-oriented group PRs flip over to scum. I don't want them to be potential targets.

Please roleblock us in the future because our thing is straight up anti town

That's two people from your group who have made that request


Why keep using it in that case?

[kuribo]

A50 was the one that told the two of them not to make me voteless and outted the neighborhood in protest

[kuribo]

So you've got:

A50 who said "let's not use this" or at least not here
Chenn who voted to use it
Ank who voted to use it

The latter two then say the ability is scummy and should be roleblocked.

But neither of them abstained from using it as far as I can tell: one because I'm voteless, and two because they would have called out whoever cast the non-abstaining vote

Like you're damn right we're roleblocking that shit because it's anti town and we don't have a better use for it. But my point is

we shouldn't have to.

If it's antitown enough for you to ask to be roleblocked, it's antitown enough for y'all to just

not use.[/]

There's a serious disconnect somewhere in that group regarding a town mindset. And I can't tell if it comes from scum or just from people wanting to compulsively masturbate when they get a slight amount of power.

[kuribo]

And you can say oh what if someone in my group is scum, but then... are any of you even claiming to scum read one another? If you're all locktown to each other then why do you even need to ask to be roleblocked?

[kuribo]

I mean at this point it doesn't matter who abstains and who doesn't going forward because that power is done for


I'm trying to figure out the mindset here

[kuribo]

Blocking Dave makes little to no sense considering that a more pro town move would have been to block the voteless hood.

dave didn't claim his hood not getting any sort of result until Day 3


The voteless hood also did not claim until Day 3 as far as I can tell


Our group sincerely apologizes for not being able to ordain the future

[kuribo]

@Kuribo: He wants to ask for Pine's opinions on the game since he's dead in his own. He's interested in Mastina's too.

I've passed along the request and I'll let you know. Neither of them have mentioned a whole lot about my game since my most recent temper tantrum. I think Pine's a big disappointed in me.

[kuribo]

Yes, but why Dave specifically? I still don't understand.

Forget about the voteless hood. I want to know why Dave in particular.

Maria suggested it. Me and Vex agreed since we were scumreading Dave.

I've literally answered this question.

[kuribo]

I'm grouped with pant and Maria

Anyway, there you go, dave.

@Panth: Could you please answer why dave? Who in your hood suggested dave first? Where there any other candidates on the table to choose from?

If it's Maria I would not be surprised since she pretty much always scumreads me for stupid reasons. It's so NAI for her that I stopped paying attention to it.
If someone in that hood is scum with the other person in my hood then there you go. A perfectly reasonable looking action given her bias against me, that's probably among the most anti-town actions the game has.

That's hilarious because it actually was maria

Vex and I were both scumreading you day 1 so we said fuck it, we'll vote Dave

Pant replaced in during N2, and the general consensus was that he hadn't read the game so we figured repeating the N1 action was as good as anything having not seen any negative outcome. And with Maria and I both scum reading you anyway.

[kuribo]

I need to learn to read.

I don't believe in coincidences, this makes Maria look pretty bad.

How dare anyone not know on day 1 that Dave would claim on day 3 to be part of an investigative group


The nerve

[kuribo]

I get that this game in particular seems real keen on expecting people to have 100% foresight and seems intent on questioning why they didn't, but thinking Dave was scummy day 1 and even day 2 isn't exactly the spiciest take

[kuribo]

kuribo you can't deny the possibility that this coincidence could also not be a coincidence.

How did Maria introduce the idea to all of you?

She asked me and Vex about five or so players, neither of us were quite caught up yet.

She said she wanted to block Dave or DV. The three of us all felt that not blocking anyone wasn't the best option. I said I wasn't down with blocking DV, but I'd be happy to block Dave. Vex said that was fine because he wanted to block within Dave/DV/nom and he'd vote with us. He then produced a picture of his handwritten notes with his gorgeous penmanship.

[kuribo]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

You're coming across like you're blaming me, or pant, or Maria, or whoever is convenient for something we'd have no prior knowledge of. "Maybe this makes pant look extremely bad" "oh no wait now maria looks bad."

[kuribo]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

You're coming across like you're blaming me, or pant, or Maria, or whoever is convenient for something we'd have no prior knowledge of. "Maybe this makes pant look extremely bad" "oh no wait now maria looks bad."

no one blames anyone.

we all good?

I blame you for the Hindenburg

[kuribo]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

You're coming across like you're blaming me, or pant, or Maria, or whoever is convenient for something we'd have no prior knowledge of. "Maybe this makes pant look extremely bad" "oh no wait now maria looks bad."

It's not blame. It's just sanely questioning that the target just so happened to be in an invest hood. Anyone with 2 braincells would look at this and say "odd". I don't know.

That only works as not-coincidence if you think DV or Dave is scum with Maria, and you don't seem to think that either. Anyone with two braincells would look at that and say "odd."


Also please put punctuation inside quotations. Not doing so makes my inner writer cry.

[kuribo]

Wait is that how it works? French writing makes us put the punctuation outside of quotation marks

i'm going to have to ask you to start using your guillemets in that case

[kuribo]

i'm going to have to ask you to start using your guillemets in that case

Non.

[kuribo]

God

oh buddy, god left this chat a long time ago

[kuribo]

Cephrir didn't like Kuribo's arguments that Volxen should be lynched instead of trying to lynch scum. (I think they felt it was a likely town lurker lynch)

Cephrir obviously wasn't reading the damn game then because I never suggested volxen as a lurker lynch. It was a scum read of mine and it didn't flip town.

[kuribo]

Like don't try to frame it that I ever said "oh hey let's lynch a lurk instead of scum"

I did say "that slot is scum and no replacement into it can ever redeem it."


Those two sentiments are so far apart that they're not even the same continent

[kuribo]

Apologies, I realised that what I posted implied that what you posted was that we shouldn't lynch scum. I meant that they felt it was a distraction from lynching scum.

A slot that you yourself couldn't bring yourself to town read


And which wasn't town


Was a distraction from lynching scum


How does that even work?

[kuribo]

Our LMS ability causes the last person standing to become a doublevoter

[kuribo]

Its probably compulsive

Lol what why would that ability be different from any of the others?


There are literally rules stated which show what happens if nobody votes: it means everyone abstains

[kuribo]

Also "it's probably compulsive?"


Dude we're literally talking about YOUR group


Go read your role PM and see if it's compulsive


My god what a copout

[kuribo]

Reading role pms is hard mr kuribo

I suddenly feel DGB screaming her sig at me via telepathy

[kuribo]

Wait r u saying chenn is scum?

Cause I just think he is lazy

I haven't ruled it out but I think the two are virtually indistinguishable anyway


I'd still lynch Chenn but that's more personal than anything

[kuribo]

Ank too btw


I don't like that whole thing they pulled with "Yeah our ability is anti town and it's up to you to stop us using it."

[kuribo]

I don't think A50 is scum. I'm hard townreading that slot. A50 has been forthright from the getgo with us.

I'd say if there's scum there, and I strongly feel there is because there are townier ways to use those group votes to smoke out scum, it's either Chenn or Ank. Maybe both, but we'll never know since they decided to play games with their anti town ability.

The problem I'm having with reading both those slots is they're both on my fucklist right now and my annoyance clouds my judgement.


Like

A lot actually


Like all the time in every game I've ever played


And since I'm voteless and there's no pressure on me to lynch scum today, it's not like I can do shit about it anyway so I'm engaging where I can while I figure stuff out.

[kuribo]

EC is working on a big post and should have it out sometime during D3, but there's some stuff he wants to get out there now first:

1. Just massclaim, scum probably know most of the setup already and the fact that town has grouped PRs and not individual PRs makes the increased amount of information we get worth the risk. If we had massclaimed before now, our investigative hood would probably have results right now instead of having gotten blocked twice in a row.
2. He'd like to emphasize that this is

team

mafia, and we are not ranked as individuals but

teams

. More than half the games have scumflips now, and the gamestate in general is not optimistic for getting things done. He wants town players to get their team's help and to make this game a priority, but he will also be requesting the help of specific people as well.

@Flavor Leaf

: He wants Jingle and SS' thoughts, but he cares about all three of your teammates' opinions on the game.

@Davesaz

: He wants to ask if Reundo has been keeping caught up since he's dead in his own game, as well as FF's.

@Panthaleon

: He wants to know what Oka is writing in your PT/Discord, he's pretty certain Oka is staying caught up.

@Gammagooey

: Give Hito a hug for him please

@Kuribo

: He wants to ask for Pine's opinions on the game since he's dead in his own. He's interested in Mastina's too.

@Firebringer

: He would like NSG to have more of an impact in the game, even if only to make your slot easy to read

He didn't directly ask me to say this, but the overwhelming stance of my team is that this game is really boring and there's very little to work with, so he understands why there's been less effort put into trying to solve this game. However, this game is

NOT

going to get better if we don't try to brute force it into becoming better. I'm sorry, but we need people to suck it up enough to help push this game forward so that it becomes more easy to work with in later days.

By the way, let Eddie know I haven't forgotten this. I'm also not holding my breath. Mastina hasn't been around hardly at all since her death in that game, and Pine let me know that sadly he's tied up doing stuff for the Scummies ceremony, so neither of them have been reading my gamez

Which reminds me, Xtoxm and I promised to read each others games and help out, and I should really get on that.

[kuribo]

gamez

i don't know how that z snuck in there but you get the idea

[kuribo]

@kuribo: I am starting to feel apathetic about this game (and the whole tournament. tbh), so I', willing to make you a deal. How about you use ME to vote whomever you want? I am your proxy vote today.

I feel that, though Xtoxm came through with some reads I'm about to share.

My problem is typical of me as town in that I have too many scum reads. I can't focus and I feel isolated out here and doubly so in Team Mafia.

DV/DEB/Ank/FB. Dealer's choice. The latter two are annoyance lynches, but if the idea is that there's scum in Dave/Ank/chenn, I don't think it's Chenn. FB just annoys me and is in a bad slot, I probably wouldn't vote that right now because i don't scumread it as much tbh. DV's responses to the wagon against him have been bad and the same applies to DEB. I don't want DEB in endgame. I've explained to DV why I've cooled on him, and I haven't liked his responses.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why nom is scum. But since I have no vote, no one will bother.

[kuribo]

Xtoxm says he also doesn't understand the scum read on nom. A50, EP, FL, he townreads all three. He likes the way dave handled the claim but says there's not much else to townread him for. (Agreed) He got a slight townread from one of Ank's posts, enough to put ank in the middle of the pack.

Xtoxm's scumreads are DEB, DV, Maria, FB. He didn't elaborate much, other than FB deathtunneling as town isn't unheard of but that he should be strung up if he doesn't back off from it.

Xtoxm also said that only three scum in the setup would be weird in a game this size, but not to discount that the Survivor can be balanced as a sort of traitor since it could presumably joint with scum.

He concludes by stating that he supports the complete mass claim and finishing it.

[kuribo]

Xtoxm says he also doesn't understand the scum read on nom. A50, EP, FL, he townreads all three. He likes the way dave handled the claim but says there's not much else to townread him for. (Agreed) He got a slight townread from one of Ank's posts, enough to put ank in the middle of the pack.

Xtoxm's scumreads are DEB, DV, Maria, FB. He didn't elaborate much, other than FB deathtunneling as town isn't unheard of but that he should be strung up if he doesn't back off from it.

Xtoxm also said that only three scum in the setup would be weird in a game this size, but not to discount that the Survivor can be balanced as a sort of traitor since it could presumably joint with scum.

He concludes by stating that he supports the complete mass claim and finishing it.

Oh he also said he didn't bother with Gamma because he's never been able to read Gamma well

[kuribo]

@kuribo: So you want to vote DV or DEB? I know you're votelss (obviously) but you can still type Vote: X in bod (or use the tags). It won't count, but I can quote it and vote there, so effectively it'd be your vote and I'd be the voteless one.

It's the weekend, so I'm double shifts as usual but

Vote: DeasVail

DEB's posting has mostly been fine the last few pages and if they're both scum, I see DV as a way way bigger threat at endgame.

[kuribo]

What were my responses to the wagon against me? I wasn’t even aware that there was a wagon.

That's fair, wagon is way too strong a word for what's essentially a voteless man pushing back against a guy who has a baseless read on him.


Now let me tell you something you might not know since you haven't played with me in so long:

Do you know one of my super secret scum hunting methods? Sit close because I very rarely reveal this one:


I wait for them to accuse me. Oh, you might say that's OMGUS, but Lemme tell you, I've caught dozens of scum for using the same soft-accusation techniques you're using. I've strung up entire teams because they tried to throw subtle shade on me. It's then that I step back, I pay closer attention. I watch every movement, watch for the slightest manipulation. Things I wouldn't notice if they hadn't tried to call me out.


It's the mislynches, you see. I haven't been mislynched in EIGHT YEARS. Scum teams just can't help trying to make a name for themselves. Make the game fun because they know I'm hard to lynch. GreyICE and curiouskarmadog are the only people in my twelve years here to get me lynched as town. Scum don't like to NK me if they can help it because y'all know I tend to derail games by arguing with idiots. My fury leaves towns decimated with the scorch and ruin of the other town players that cross me. And as long as that anger stays directed at town, y'all keep me alive.

But you can't do that forever, you need to line up an endgame, don't you? So you have to throw shade here and there, say things like "oh it's fake rage" or "oh my team thinks he's scum." Maybe by endgame someone will be sick of me and vote with you, and you won't have to NK me. Maybe you can save it for some PR with a good claim.

But that's not going to happen. You're not going to get me mislynched. NOBODY fucking gets me mislynched. Eight years since scum has successfully pushed wagon on me. There will be no glory for you or your scumteam this day, DV.

This is a pattern I've seen more times than I can count in my years on this site. I wanted you to be town! I offered you brotherhood and you slapped it away to try and taste the impossible. For that, DV, I will gladly hang your head on my mantle of fallen scum.

[kuribo]

- LMS of kuribo/MariaR/Panth

you're incorrect, I've already stated that our LMS becomes a doublevoter

[kuribo]

- Flavour name of kuribo/MariaR/Panth

I thought we had claimed this, but we're The Directors

[kuribo]

What if the block vote thing was specifically dedicated to the LMS of your hood kuribo

in english please

[kuribo]

What if the block vote thing was specifically dedicated to the LMS of your hood kuribo

in english please

The vote block can counteract the Directors' doublevote LMS.

Shrug it's possible

It sure as hell wasnt designed just to be used "for fun"

[kuribo]

I'd prefer a lynch in DV/dave over one in nom/FB for now.

Why?

What were my responses to the wagon against me? I wasn’t even aware that there was a wagon.

That's fair, wagon is way too strong a word for what's essentially a voteless man pushing back against a guy who has a baseless read on him.


Now let me tell you something you might not know since you haven't played with me in so long:

Do you know one of my super secret scum hunting methods? Sit close because I very rarely reveal this one:


I wait for them to accuse me. Oh, you might say that's OMGUS, but Lemme tell you, I've caught dozens of scum for using the same soft-accusation techniques you're using. I've strung up entire teams because they tried to throw subtle shade on me. It's then that I step back, I pay closer attention. I watch every movement, watch for the slightest manipulation. Things I wouldn't notice if they hadn't tried to call me out.


It's the mislynches, you see. I haven't been mislynched in EIGHT YEARS. Scum teams just can't help trying to make a name for themselves. Make the game fun because they know I'm hard to lynch. GreyICE and curiouskarmadog are the only people in my twelve years here to get me lynched as town. Scum don't like to NK me if they can help it because y'all know I tend to derail games by arguing with idiots. My fury leaves towns decimated with the scorch and ruin of the other town players that cross me. And as long as that anger stays directed at town, y'all keep me alive.

But you can't do that forever, you need to line up an endgame, don't you? So you have to throw shade here and there, say things like "oh it's fake rage" or "oh my team thinks he's scum." Maybe by endgame someone will be sick of me and vote with you, and you won't have to NK me. Maybe you can save it for some PR with a good claim.

But that's not going to happen. You're not going to get me mislynched. NOBODY fucking gets me mislynched. Eight years since scum has successfully pushed wagon on me. There will be no glory for you or your scumteam this day, DV.

This is a pattern I've seen more times than I can count in my years on this site. I wanted you to be town! I offered you brotherhood and you slapped it away to try and taste the impossible. For that, DV, I will gladly hang your head on my mantle of fallen scum.

This is lovely and all but I’m town.

Is everyone who ends up expressing suspicion of you scum?

Of course not. Do you have any more of my statements you'd like to try and misrepresent? That's at least twice now that I've had to call you out on that.

[kuribo]

I'm also still interested to hear your answer for:

I mean she shares a group with me so she'd already know if I'd asked permission


But also I've never needed anyone's permission to do anything on this site

[kuribo]

Further to this, I don’t even really think you’re scum. But your post makes it sound like you were offended that I had the audacity to think you might be scum when you were generously townreading me. And I’m confused because that would imply that anything other than me townreading you would cause you to think I’m scum.

It isn't voting me that makes me think someone is scum. It's voting me that brings my attention to them. Sometimes the attention turns up nothing. Sometimes it's a that first bit of firewood on the bonfire. If that added attention is a threat to you, then sorry but that's the breaks.

And yeah my read on someone can change over three game days. It'd be a bit weird for me if they didn't. I don't feel like this is breaking news.

[kuribo]

Still not feeling nom as scum


But I'm just beating off in the corner while everyone else gets to fuck with wild abandon

[kuribo]

To be honest I feel like I've hit the point of no return and that anything I will say will be considered scummy because I'm not throwing ultra certain reads left and right so yeah.

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It is very dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. A spirit of malice whispers just beyond your consciousness. Somewhere beyond, its tendrils slither into your mind with a raw, animalistic nature. Its voice is cold, deep, and hushed. "Do you wish me to avenge you in the event of your death, o faithful one?"


Please select- (Y/N):   

[kuribo]

I wonder if I'm being blindsided by kuribo or firebringer by how they're handling my slot

Calling you a dick for pointlessly making me voteless is hardly "handling" your slot.

[kuribo]

@Mod I'm moving this week and will be VLA until February 1

I may be able to post more than I think, but this is just a precaution because moving is never simple

[kuribo]

I wonder if I'm being blindsided by kuribo or firebringer by how they're handling my slot

Calling you a dick for pointlessly making me voteless is hardly "handling" your slot.

cool

you've keep pointing it out so often that it's making me wonder whether you have other reasons for it

I'll point out whatever I want as many times as I want and you'll not have shit to say about it

I mean at this point I "keep mentioning it" because it's kinda a meme between us at this point but if you wanna go another round where I take it seriously again by all means say so

[kuribo]

Kuribo, please let me know any needed additions/subtractions/edits to the following list

GOOD ENOUGH TO MURDER, I GUESS
nom
Deas
Dave

YEAH, PROBABLY STILL GOOD ENOUGH TO MURDER I GUESS
DEB
Flavor Leaf
kuribo
Ankamius?
the rest of the playerlist in some order?

Real quick because shits fucked at my house. And my cat is missing. So fuck this earth and everyone in it.

Deas is in his proper place

Nom is town, I've been clear and unflinching on this and no one has managed to convince me otherwise

Flavor leaf is probably town, I don't think I've stuttered there either

I'm town because the mafia gods were not kind enough to bless me otherwise

DEB is higher on the good enough to murder list.

Replace Flavor's name or my own with Firebringer. I've warmed up a bit from "wouldn't miss him if he died" to "might still be scum but I'd miss him because he entertains me." If he's scum I'd like to kill him last.

Take Dave off the top list, I get town leanings from him since the reveal. Not much else to town read before that.

Town reading A50

Ank can go back to good enough to murder, I didn't like him throwing shade in our last exchange

I like your posting, you can be town

Maria and panth also likely town. If there's scum in my group, I'd guess maria because I can't read her for shit. Vex and panth both very genuine to me. I don't think there's scum with us though.

[kuribo]

I still don't want a nom lynch, I feel like I'm quacking in the wind on that one.

[kuribo]

I'd also really like Pine to show up

hey, join the club, that makes two of us

[kuribo]

Appeal to the town within Gammagooey, Panthaleon, and Kuribo (after his V/LA is over) to get activity and leadership up.

I got admin-warned for abusive language toward Firebringer for this game, which doesn't surprise me and was well-deserved.

you can imagine what this means for my motivation to keep slogging through this hellgame

[kuribo]

I got admin-warned for abusive language toward Firebringer for this game, which doesn't surprise me and was well-deserved.

the warning being well-deserved, not the abusive language


that was only debatable-deserved

[kuribo]

She doesn't have any townreads that seem thought out at all, she pushed to try to get attention for a 1v1 with two of her townreads when she was the leading wagon, her d1 play in retrospect feels mostly like an enormous NAI argument

i asked multiple times over the last three days asking someone, anyone, to sum up why nom was scum, and i got nothing from nobody. this is the closest anyone has come to explaining why she's been the leading wagon for days.

my townread is partially gut and a big part judging her temper tantrum on day one, as well as her attitude the last couple of days since. I don't think she's scum, I think she's town whose back is against a wall and who's tired and demoralized from pushing the same boulder endlessly. I think she's watched scummier players slip out of the noose while people keep trying to fit one for her instead.

you can poo-poo gut reads if you like, it's more a matter of playstyle to me, and my gut says she's town. My ability to read the emotions of others makes her waaaaay town.

[kuribo]

Appeal to the town within Gammagooey, Panthaleon, and Kuribo (after his V/LA is over) to get activity and leadership up.

I got admin-warned for abusive language toward Firebringer for this game, which doesn't surprise me and was well-deserved.

you can imagine what this means for my motivation to keep slogging through this hellgame

I am shocked.

mods actually respond to people being abusive to me?

must be because I didn't report it.
also what did u even do. I can't even remember u not doing anything out of the ordinary or maybe I am used to it.

called you the c-word, and I do apologize for that one, I don't generally use that word. Well, on this site anyway. It's the nickname we use around my house for one of the cats. Or the one cat we have because the other is still missing.

It doesn't much matter who reported it, and I'm not stressed about it. For all I know it could have been one of my own teammates since Pine had repeatedly asked me to calm down. *Shrug* it is what it is, game on I suppose

[kuribo]

vote: Dr Easy Bake

[kuribo]

I just don't like the idea of lynching my town read on day 4 just because they're vengeful


Like I'd rather lynch a scum read regardless because then you're not trading a town for that scum

Don't get me wrong I do love high risk high reward gameplay, and if it were me who were vengeful, I'd be begging you people to put me out of my misery so I could yeet someone into the shadow realm

[kuribo]

And for kuribo and Firebringer and everyone else hanging around in the background with a metaphorical dick in your hand

Maybe you forgot or didn't notice but I ALSO townread nomnom for how she played in the beginning of the game

But after going back she had said herself that those types of arguments aren't alignment indicative of her, and she has been dodging putting any effort into actually scumhunting for literal days now and again it's really hard to see how you all are staring past it when it seems very likely to me that her lack of effort has stopped being an issue for scum and started to be part of the intended result given that she now has literally been handed a vengekill by scum when a missed shot by nom doesn't even prevent them from having to lynch an additional town player.

Spoiler: NOM NAI POSTS

If you're scum I'm really gonna call you disgusting to be fair nomnom

I know you think I'm disgusting as either alignment right now but being called disgusting by me is some kind of historic event because I rarely have a problem with people

if you're town this is just like...ok to be fair, it could be worse.

I've done this before as scum I won't lie but as I said the last time that happened, the frustration happens as both alignments. I just hate stupidity like this.

Yeah we get it, you're town, now can you play the game[/size]

I get letting her pass up but this isn't some kind of lock town tell or anything so back off on that

up to vote elems now?

I was thinking elems is a best lynch anyway

I really don't care at this point, sorting nom will be a task I'll put off for later in this game. Unfortunately I think this is really town indicative.

I'm not going to lock town this, it's just I really don't want to consider nom doing this as scum right now.

Unfortunately?

Also I've done this as scum too. NAI.

I appreciate the work you've done here regarding nom

Lemme think about it

[kuribo]

But really does NOBODY else look at nom suddenly becoming vengeful because of a scum action and think 'Oh, that's pretty clearly b/c nom is scum and they want to give her a vengeful on the way out'

Hey tell me more about this statement

He's saying that nom got the venge kill because of FB being removed from the group. Meaning it's possible that scum figured nom is going up today, having dodged the noose already a few times, and that it was best to make sure they get something out of it first, ie, shooting town.

That's something I hadn't considered as a possibility, but it makes some sense

[kuribo]

By the way, Kuribo. I would like mastina's thoughts if she has any of this game.

Mastina hasn't posted in the PT in like two weeks or more. And that was about stuff relating to her game after she died in it.

[kuribo]

Wait, can they Roleblock individual actions or just the group actions? Because if they can only role block group actions, then the Last Man Standing Vig shot is a moot point by getting the hood roleblocked.

By the way, Kuribo. I would like mastina's thoughts if she has any of this game.

Mastina hasn't posted in the PT in like two weeks or more. And that was about stuff relating to her game after she died in it.

Please tell her that I ask for her thoughts when she can get to it.

I can provide starting points if she needs them.

I can give it a shot.

[kuribo]

nobody has reported a voteless by the way now that I think about it

Ank claims group that makes people voteless

I get made voteless

I'm in a group that can roleblock another group

I state that the voteless group will forever be roleblocked

No one is voteless



All of this happened in the thread.

[kuribo]

Also FL according to DDL he thinks Kuribo and Ank are good lynch decisions today.

You're biting the hand that's feeding you, and I don't take kindly to that



Who the fuck is DDL

[kuribo]

kuribo. He's actually lynchable.

Bullshit. I don't get mislynched.

Seven years and counting; try me.

[kuribo]

Tell me, what happened to the wagon on DEB

Good question seems like I'm the only one that still wants that hellslot dead

[kuribo]

Calling me "lynchable"


viewtopic.php?t=6207

viewtopic.php?t=21433


Ive been on this site since 2007 and those are literally the only two games where I've been lynched as town.

Only twice.

Tell me again how lynchable I am as town.

Keep snapping at the hand that's helping keep the possums away from your food bowl

[kuribo]

Well call me Pontius Pilate because I'm washing my hands of you


I'm not gonna help lynch you, but I'm not gonna stand in anyone's way either

[kuribo]

Why am I not voting DEB?

Cowardice?


Afraid of getting his blood on your hands?

A lack of blood flow to the righteous murdercock?

[kuribo]

Whew glad I solved that case with only an hours sleep

[kuribo]

Just push your vanity wagon and keep your head down, maybe you'll get a mislynch through instead of having to take a stand for once

[kuribo]

I mean you're not going to get one on me, but at least you won't have to grow a pair this day

[kuribo]

So explain why you're townreading DEB and I'll explain why your reads are terrible

[kuribo]

Yah there's an excellent case right here:
viewtopic.php?f=150&t=81773&user_select%5B%5D=32517

[kuribo]

Like don't even look at the content level, look at the content itself dude

50% of it is NAI bullshit designed to ensure no one can solidify a read on him

There's opportunism in his votes or outright wheel spinning

He suddenly perked up when it looked like he was going to be lynched

He's been the failed counterwagon to numerous lynches. How do you think that happens? Scum isn't going to sacrifice him if bussing isn't necessary anymore.

Like, seriously what the fuck is town about any of that?

[kuribo]

FTR I didn't like the way gamma or DEB joined the nom wagon

DEB literally voted nom, unvoted when Ank called nom town, then opens today voting nom again


It's fuckin blatant and for ank to pretend not to see it, that's sketchy as hell too

[kuribo]

FTR I didn't like the way gamma or DEB joined the nom wagon

DEB literally voted nom, unvoted when Ank called nom town, then opens today voting nom again


It's fuckin blatant and for ank to pretend not to see it, that's sketchy as hell too

DEB also blatantly stated before all that that he was hard sheeping me?

So he removed his own accountability by putting it on you, how curious

[kuribo]

Have you ever played with DEB before?

Probably but let me take your meta, lube it up, and you figure out where to put it from there

[kuribo]

Humor me and explain EP-scum to me

I'm open to the idea of looking into that

[kuribo]

The two that really stand out today about the nomnomnom push are EspressoPatronum and kuribo, and for the exact same reason: they are both very ambivalent about it and hesitant to take a stance on it either way.

Dude


Don't piss me off but you're not even reading my posts apparently


And I don't want to call anyone illiterate



BUT HOW IN THE BLUE UNLIVING FUCK


DO YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IM AMBIVALENT TOWARD NOM


WHEN I HAVE FUCKING REPEATEDLY CALLED THE SLOT TOWN


AND SAID REPEATEDLY I DONT WANT HER LYNCHED

it's like you're not even trying man

[kuribo]

Like that's some seriously misrepresenting shit to say that I haven't taken a stance toward nom

[kuribo]

I just don't like the idea of lynching my town read on day 4 just because they're vengeful


Like I'd rather lynch a scum read regardless because then you're not trading a town for that scum

Don't get me wrong I do love high risk high reward gameplay, and if it were me who were vengeful, I'd be begging you people to put me out of my misery so I could yeet someone into the shadow realm

She doesn't have any townreads that seem thought out at all, she pushed to try to get attention for a 1v1 with two of her townreads when she was the leading wagon, her d1 play in retrospect feels mostly like an enormous NAI argument

I just don't like the idea of lynching my town read on day 4 just because they're vengeful


Like I'd rather lynch a scum read regardless because then you're not trading a town for that scum

Don't get me wrong I do love high risk high reward gameplay, and if it were me who were vengeful, I'd be begging you people to put me out of my misery so I could yeet someone into the shadow realm

i asked multiple times over the last three days asking someone, anyone, to sum up why nom was scum, and i got nothing from nobody. this is the closest anyone has come to explaining why she's been the leading wagon for days.

my townread is partially gut and a big part judging her temper tantrum on day one, as well as her attitude the last couple of days since. I don't think she's scum, I think she's town whose back is against a wall and who's tired and demoralized from pushing the same boulder endlessly. I think she's watched scummier players slip out of the noose while people keep trying to fit one for her instead.

you can poo-poo gut reads if you like, it's more a matter of playstyle to me, and my gut says she's town. My ability to read the emotions of others makes her waaaaay town.

Yah obviously I haven't had any opinion whatsoever on nom nope not even talking about that


Ank, put EC back on the line because I can't deal with someone that's gonna blatantly lie about my posts with some gaslighting shit

[kuribo]

The part I find strange about it is not your stance, but how weakly you pressed it.

IVE BEEN CALLING HER TOWN FOR FOUR FUCKING DAYS


IVE OPPOSED HER LYNCH EVERY STEP OF THE GOD DAMN WAY

AND YOU CALL THAT WEAK

[kuribo]

Like what the FUCK do you expect me to do besides tell you I AINT LYNCHING THAT SLOT I THINK ITS TOWN


Like what the fuck else is there to be done when the rest of the game is all "lol let's lynch her even if she's town"

[kuribo]

Do you understand what the phrase "quacking in the wind" means


It means I'm talking to a pile of Fucking bricks with this town


It means I've tried and tried and tried to explain why I think the slot is town


Do you not think that's FUCKING EXHAUSTING in a game where I'm already emotionally tapped out?

No, you know all of this already.

[kuribo]

And even if you don't think it's a particularly strong defense-- for that matter, do you even fucking know me? I only defend the strongest of town reads in any way. By my standards, it's pretty fucking notable that I'll stick my neck out and call a slot a hard townread.

But even if you don't think it's strong, how much more would you prefer I fight against it when nom herself didn't even seem interested in pushing back? When people who claimed to townread her were calling for her head? When nom fucking thanked me BY SHADING ME to the point I literally told her she was on her own from then on?

Like good lord do you understand how slimy your play has been? Do you understand we're having this conversation because you've BLATANTLY misrepresented SEVERAL DAYS of my play? Your interactions with me have been garbage where you try to paint everything in the scummiest way possible. You accuse others of not taking a stance on nom when you're soloing a vanity wagon.

Literally the only things that have kept me from hard scumreading you are the EC posts-- which Maria reminded me of in the group PT.

[kuribo]

Starting 1v1s all over the place is not how you win games like this. Sorry.

Says the guy on the vanity wagon.

[kuribo]

And even if you don't think it's a particularly strong defense-- for that matter, do you even fucking know me? I only defend the strongest of town reads in any way. By my standards, it's pretty fucking notable that I'll stick my neck out and call a slot a hard townread.

But even if you don't think it's strong, how much more would you prefer I fight against it when nom herself didn't even seem interested in pushing back? When people who claimed to townread her were calling for her head? When nom fucking thanked me BY SHADING ME to the point I literally told her she was on her own from then on?

Like good lord do you understand how slimy your play has been? Do you understand we're having this conversation because you've BLATANTLY misrepresented SEVERAL DAYS of my play? Your interactions with me have been garbage where you try to paint everything in the scummiest way possible. You accuse others of not taking a stance on nom when you're soloing a vanity wagon.

Literally the only things that have kept me from hard scumreading you are the EC posts-- which Maria reminded me of in the group PT.

I have one question.

Which of my reads do you disagree with?

Starting 1v1s all over the place is not how you win games like this. Sorry.

Says the guy on the vanity wagon.

I hope you understand that I'm talking from a scum POV in that post.

I don't see how that's different from the rest of your posts

[kuribo]

And even if you don't think it's a particularly strong defense-- for that matter, do you even fucking know me? I only defend the strongest of town reads in any way. By my standards, it's pretty fucking notable that I'll stick my neck out and call a slot a hard townread.

But even if you don't think it's strong, how much more would you prefer I fight against it when nom herself didn't even seem interested in pushing back? When people who claimed to townread her were calling for her head? When nom fucking thanked me BY SHADING ME to the point I literally told her she was on her own from then on?

Like good lord do you understand how slimy your play has been? Do you understand we're having this conversation because you've BLATANTLY misrepresented SEVERAL DAYS of my play? Your interactions with me have been garbage where you try to paint everything in the scummiest way possible. You accuse others of not taking a stance on nom when you're soloing a vanity wagon.

Literally the only things that have kept me from hard scumreading you are the EC posts-- which Maria reminded me of in the group PT.

I have one question.

Which of my reads do you disagree with?

For starters I'm town, so that's a real hard disagree right there

DEB is scum as Fuck, another hard disagree with you

A50 is my second maybe third highest townread, so you're wrong there

I think you're wrong about Gamma being scummy

Like my reads have been extremely clear this game, even more clear than usual, so for you to even act like you don't know my stances on anything at this point is real real sketch

[kuribo]

@Kuribo - I feel like we’re being hard discredited all of a sudden because we’re on DEB.

Real fuckin funny how that worked huh

[kuribo]

Interesting how I'm not Eddie Cane!

So you don't mind then if you stop getting towncredit for his posts which are way way townier than yours?


Like it's team mafia, dude, you don't get to throw subtle shade by posting your teammates opinions and then disavowing them when it's inconvenient.

[kuribo]

I was going by this post which I musta misread because I'm pissed off

If you all just LOOK at what's been posted today, you're going to notice some things.

Gammagooey went full tilt on lynching nomnomnom because he thinks she's scum, and fuck the consequences.
Panthaleon went full tilt on lynching nomnomnom because he thinks she's scum, and fuck the consequences.
Almost50 has had other town posts today. I find his attitude very annoying, but I don't think they're scum thoughts.
Firebringer is just town based on other factors I'd have to dig into my team PT for.
nomnomnom is town.

davesaz and Flavor Leaf are town from posts today, although if I'm wrong on reads, I'm wrong on one of these two over the rest I think.

The two that really stand out today about the nomnomnom push are EspressoPatronum and kuribo, and for the exact same reason: they are both very ambivalent about it and hesitant to take a stance on it either way.

EspressoPatronum's content just also happened to be bad as well.

[kuribo]

I'm going back to work


Ank, quit and don't come back till you get a town role PM

[kuribo]

Yeah much to my dismay I rolled town in this shithole game


I kinda wish I coulda been your scumbuddy, you're not terrible

[kuribo]

Kuribo... I feel like he's purposely being dense if he's scum. If he's town, I simply don't get him. I'm leaning scum on him still mainly because his defense of himself is always the same thing; declaring himself to be impossible to mislynch in a mild tone, followed by a mishmash of tonal anger of varying degrees that feels overexaggerated and weirdly underexaggerated at points. I believe this trend has happened at three separate points this game, but I haven't checked to be sure, so who knows on that front.

Jeez just describe every town game I've played for the last twelve years why don't you


I imagine you already know that I don't defend my actions in any capacity, in any game, especially as town. I don't need to defend anything because I say what I want, I vote how I want, and not nary a person will have shit to say about it.


Trying to claim you scumread me for my playstyle is manufactured as hell.

[kuribo]

Calling me scum, but voting maria and saying she thinks there's only one scum per hood



Geez ank, you trying to line up mislynches there?

[kuribo]

Coming at me for a "mild" or inconsistent tone is sketch as hell too when I've been warned by my own teammates and by administration about the level of vitriol I've shown in this game

I'm trying not to get myself banned when I get all pissed off for fucks sake

[kuribo]

kuribo has consistently fought against the idea that I should be able to scumread him for any reason

Man have I got a surprise for you if you think it's weird that I get salty when people claim to scumread me


Lest of all for stupid or inconsistent reasons

[kuribo]

You can't just declare yourself a town leader and expect people to fall in line


"I've been trying to rally people since day 3"


Ohhhh right but nobody listened, and it's because we don't trust you.

[kuribo]

Kuri said a lot of his tr on you was from EC and kinda gave some reasons to vote you that I nodded along to.

You're forgetting the part where you told me that EC is absolutely capable of making those town-logic-looking posts as scum.


Which reminds me

unvote

Vote: Ankamius

[kuribo]

You can't just declare yourself a town leader and expect people to fall in line


"I've been trying to rally people since day 3"


Ohhhh right but nobody listened, and it's because we don't trust you.

And by rally, she means continually telling us we're going to lose to a scum sweep.

I've never been to such a demoralizing rally before.

I have


But I used to be a member of the Green Party so

[kuribo]

I can't say anything without being endlessly shot down

it's fucking wild

Can you please just save the scumplaining for the PT

[kuribo]

Ank AtE sucks, not gonna lie. I don’t know how to read it.

Sucks as in, parts of me wanna believe they feel the way they do, and parts of me wanna scream they’re only doing it to come across townie.

I read AtE and emotion so well that it's the very beating black heart of my playstyle


And Im having a hard time reading Ank's in part because the rest of her play lately is so god awfully scummy

[kuribo]

Opposite for me, I like panth's posts and Ank needs rope

[kuribo]

Ok for real idk, either you slipped it somewhere that ec caught or it made the most intuitive sense and he assumed it

Interesting how I'm not Eddie Cane!

you sure do like using Eddie's stuff when it's convenient for you and then disavowing it when it's not

[kuribo]

You just keep flipping extremely conveniently then complain when you get called out for being scummy. It feels like a scum shrug off tactic, and it warps the gamestate everytime.

maybe it's because I've had the playerlist endlessly telling me since day one that "I'm off this game", "my content is scummy for NAI reasons" and whatever else the fuck has been going on

people either just skim my posts or find whatever potshot angle they can every time I post so that I am constantly thrown off and unable to get a proper foothold in the game

and I've obvtowns so many times this game and it literally doesn't matter because town either doesn't care or has no idea how to read me

I'm seeing so many lose conditions being hit and I'm powerless to stop them because I have no traction anywhere despite all my attempts to try to

I'm frankly over this game and this embarrassment of a town

so in other words, people are scumreading you for your playstyle?


that's a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal flimsy excuse when you're using my own playstyle to justify a "scumread" on me

[kuribo]

How about EC was the one keeping track of this shit since he was the one that wanted a massclaim

That's quite an adulterous point, but you've also repeatedly used Eddie's "reads" to justify your own actions.

[kuribo]

I especially like the part where your defense is a lack of associative tells with unflipped slots

[kuribo]

If you were town you'd be scumhunting instead of trying to "solve" the game all at once. But you're trying to point out "AHA I can't be scum with X or Y, so that makes me town!"

When like... X and Y can still be scum too, it just serves to distance yourself when you flip scum.

[kuribo]

I especially like the part where your defense is a lack of associative tells with unflipped slots

I especially like the part where half your iso is just complaining about me and taking potshots at everything I say

Then maybe you should stay outta my business next time you decide to play with grownups

[kuribo]

I really hope you're not town kuribo

You already know damn well I am. You come at me you best get it right the first time, and this is your crash course in Kurinomics.


I've stomped way better scum then you, you ain't even top twenty.

[kuribo]

but really it's just easier to assume he's not town because then I don't feel like I'm just insulting people's intelligence

You already did that when you put a target on me, don't you never in your life forget there's a price.

[kuribo]

I really hope you're not town kuribo

You already know damn well I am. You come at me you best get it right the first time, and this is your crash course in Kurinomics.


I've stomped way better scum then you, you ain't even top twenty.

cool

these styles are easy to parry btw

Then come at me head on instead of pussyfooting.

I'm bout to start my third double shift in five days so I'm good to go if you wanna throw down


I /in for every game with intention to do harm
With a prosthetic arm and smellin like Boone Farm
I ain't come in this bitch to party I came in this bitch to fight

[kuribo]

You're real good for going oh woe is me why is Kuribo on me oh woe is me why does he keep bringing shit up that must make him scum

Do you not understand how this works yet? You don't get to throw soft shade at me calling me scum to set up your mislynches. You don't get to take away my vote. You don't ever get to misrepresent the things I say. And you damn well don't never not ever get to escape repercussions from either of those.

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not steal

Thou shalt not fuck with Kuribo

[kuribo]

Three counts of night murder-- Life without parole

One count of grand larceny vote theft-- Five to ten years

One count of conspiracy to commit murder-- Ten to twenty-five years.

Fucking with me-- Death.

I got old people to wash, see y'all Monday.

[kuribo]

told u kuribo was scum.

this shit is so fake.

Oh go to hell

[kuribo]

Instead of getting myself banned for yelling at your derpy self for calling my irritation fake, I'm just gonna tell you to go to hell and go about my day


Like I fucking hate when people do that shit, it's such a dog shit way to try and discredit real emotion. I don't fucking fake it dude, it's never ever fucking fake.


Not even Fucking once


So go straight to hell with that shit and don't ever play a game with me again if that's all you've got to say because you already know it fucking provokes me. So if you're trying to provoke me into getting banned then Fucking save it forever firebringer.

[kuribo]

scumteam is nomnomnom + kuribo + davesaz + FL

I'd be willing to bet AT LEAST three is correct.

Lol you can't even be bothered to remember that you've been calling nom town

[kuribo]

And you wonder why you come across as scummy


Nah you don't wonder


You already know this is righteous

[kuribo]

Wanna talk fake emotion, let's talk Ank's defeatism

[kuribo]

don't ever play a game with me again if that's all you've got to say because you already know it fucking provokes me.

this kind of ate. Should get you a warning btw. Trying to fuck with someone by saying "IF YOU DO X AGAIN I WILL NEVER PLAY WITH YOU"

1) Not the appropriate setting for this. We can talk about it post game or in pms after.
2) You are crossing lines of AtE that is abusive and has impacted games too much imo.

I am not gonna stop, I am gonna keep posting what I think.
So try another angle if u want me to think ur town.

I don't care about if ur emotions are real or not, I think them being real or fake is irrelevant I think ur doing it to manipulate people either way.

You can be genuine angry and add a few extra levels of RAWWRR because u think it will help sell ur case.

It's not a Fucking attempt to change your opinion because I could give a shit about your opinion


All I ask is that people not piss me off by accusing me of fake rage. I NEVER FUCKING FAKE RAGE.

It's in my fucking wiki asking people to refrain from that dogshit because it legit 100% pisses me off. This is WELL KNOWN around the site, and I'm not gonna fucking play in the future with people who try to trigger me into getting myself banned.

[kuribo]

don't ever play a game with me again if that's all you've got to say because you already know it fucking provokes me.

this kind of ate. Should get you a warning btw. Trying to fuck with someone by saying "IF YOU DO X AGAIN I WILL NEVER PLAY WITH YOU"

1) Not the appropriate setting for this. We can talk about it post game or in pms after.
2) You are crossing lines of AtE that is abusive and has impacted games too much imo.

I am not gonna stop, I am gonna keep posting what I think.
So try another angle if u want me to think ur town.

I don't care about if ur emotions are real or not, I think them being real or fake is irrelevant I think ur doing it to manipulate people either way.

You can be genuine angry and add a few extra levels of RAWWRR because u think it will help sell ur case.

Like you don't fucking understand dude, this isn't even Kuribo talking to Firebringer, this is Teddy talking to whatever the fuck your name is. You think for two seconds I like getting mad at people on this site? That I like getting warned or banned from a site I've been in for twelve God damn years? That I fucking like hearing things about how I'm just some toxic dickhead? Who the fuck would like any of that? Why the fuck do you think I don't play anymore? I got sick and Fucking tired of people (and I can name names) trying to provoke me. People who fucking know better.

And this isn't some attempt to manipulate anyone, this is me talking to you on a personal level: it's Fucking exhausting. My life right now is Fucking exhausting dude. But even more than that, mafia has been exhausting to me for about five years now. I don't enjoy this anymore. I haven't enjoyed playing in a very long time.

So you wanna pretend you think it's manipulation, what the fuck ever dude. Because at the end of the day all I want outta this is to keep my head down and not get banned so I can actually keep participating on this site and not get myself cyberbobbed.

[kuribo]

Do you realize that me and Radiant Cowbells once got so hostile toward one another that we agreed never to speak again? Did cow ever tell you that?

We don't like each other as people and it's real fucking funny considering we agree with one another on so many issues, but it all boiled down to both of us being dicks to one another in a scum PT.

And hey I'll be the first to admit I was an asshole there, and I probably instigated it.


But it's Fucking exhausting to have to count my enemies. Vote however the fuck you want dude. IDGAF. I'd rather watch you mislynch me than make an enemy of someone I mostly respected outside of mafia games.

[kuribo]

don't ever play a game with me again if that's all you've got to say because you already know it fucking provokes me.

this kind of ate. Should get you a warning btw. Trying to fuck with someone by saying "IF YOU DO X AGAIN I WILL NEVER PLAY WITH YOU"

1) Not the appropriate setting for this. We can talk about it post game or in pms after.
2) You are crossing lines of AtE that is abusive and has impacted games too much imo.

I am not gonna stop, I am gonna keep posting what I think.
So try another angle if u want me to think ur town.

I don't care about if ur emotions are real or not, I think them being real or fake is irrelevant I think ur doing it to manipulate people either way.

You can be genuine angry and add a few extra levels of RAWWRR because u think it will help sell ur case.

Like you don't fucking understand dude, this isn't even Kuribo talking to Firebringer, this is Teddy talking to whatever the fuck your name is. You think for two seconds I like getting mad at people on this site? That I like getting warned or banned from a site I've been in for twelve God damn years? That I fucking like hearing things about how I'm just some toxic dickhead? Who the fuck would like any of that? Why the fuck do you think I don't play anymore? I got sick and Fucking tired of people (and I can name names) trying to provoke me. People who fucking know better.

And this isn't some attempt to manipulate anyone, this is me talking to you on a personal level: it's Fucking exhausting. My life right now is Fucking exhausting dude. But even more than that, mafia has been exhausting to me for about five years now. I don't enjoy this anymore. I haven't enjoyed playing in a very long time.

So you wanna pretend you think it's manipulation, what the fuck ever dude. Because at the end of the day all I want outta this is to keep my head down and not get banned so I can actually keep participating on this site and not get myself cyberbobbed.

Go to anger management.

Other people are not the cause of your anger. You are the cause of your own anger. Stop putting the blame on other people and pretending you are a victim.

Theres been multiple times you point out I baited you for anger. Which is actually true because I wanted to see what I got. I saw fake exaggerated anger.

Because when I see someone mad and raging at me and at same time pointing out that they know I am baiting them. I go "well a person who is able to recognize I am baiting them should not actually get this angry. Because when you are angry your judgement is clouded and you aren't able to see things logically". When I have gotten a bit annoyed I have been able to defuse my own anger by noticing "ohh this person is trying to get this reaction." then I calmed down and not let them have the satisfaction.

So when I see you go the other way it tells me. "This person is trying to convince me this is real or he is CHOOSING to be angry".

So which is it home boi?


btw this isn't a bait post. I am not trying to get an anger response. I want an actual answer.

Knowing you're baiting me pisses me off even more, I don't think you're making the point you're making.

Nevermind the fact that before he checked out of TM, Pine specifically reminded me that I was vulnerable to baiting.

Like you do understand right that you can be mad at someone for baiting you

[kuribo]

personally I don't enjoy when people go out of their way to purposefully try to anger me, so even if the thing in question doesn't anger me I feel it's malicious coming from the person if it's not clearly a friendly joke

"He got mad at me for something I knew would make him mad therefore he's lying about being mad."



I feel like I'm in the Fucking bizarro world.

[kuribo]

btw Kuribo, I have no animosity towards u or hate u, or even mind that much what ur doing in this game. Outside games I consider u a pretty chill dude until an argument happens. That's a different story.

If you want to take this game personally you can, but I don't take it personally. I try to numb myself from it because I have actually thrown up because of a mafia game and made myself incredibly sick because of the emotions it made me went through. (it was playing against RC that it happened to. But I don't blame him. I let it get to me).

game isn't meant to be taken so seriously it affects your real life state of mind.

I'm pretty pissed at you on a personal level right now tbh

[kuribo]

btw Kuribo, I have no animosity towards u or hate u, or even mind that much what ur doing in this game. Outside games I consider u a pretty chill dude until an argument happens. That's a different story.

If you want to take this game personally you can, but I don't take it personally. I try to numb myself from it because I have actually thrown up because of a mafia game and made myself incredibly sick because of the emotions it made me went through. (it was playing against RC that it happened to. But I don't blame him. I let it get to me).

game isn't meant to be taken so seriously it affects your real life state of mind.

And no Fucking shit it's not meant to be taken seriously


Why do you think I quit playing? Because I don't know how to take it any other way!

[kuribo]

Again


ITS THE FUCKING ACT OF BAITING ME THAT PISSES ME OFF


You didn't like when I called you illiterate right because I'm this close to telling you to learn how to fucking read dude

[kuribo]

I'm pretty pissed at you on a personal level right now tbh

So what do you want? Me to apologize for my thoughts here? Not to outloud say these thoughts again when I think it?

Or do you want to vent?

Cause my opinion isn't changing.

I legit don't give a fuck what you do. Now I'm gonna try and go back to work instead of pacing around in an empty room arguing with people

[kuribo]

Scum is nom + FL + kuribo + prooooobably dave

It's like you started out with the supposition that I'm scum and then called my town reads scum because I never ever ever bus


Like you've never even explained your bizarre switch on nom


You're like one of my patients over the weekend, just smearing shit on the wall to see how much sticks

[kuribo]

This is all just IioA.

Also, can Roleblock ability hit the LMS abilities? I thought it was for the Group Actions only

The mod confirmed to me that we cannot block LMS, because the group is dissolved once the last man wins the group.

[kuribo]

It is very important that we lynch the scum within the roleblocking hood first, because then we run the lowest risk of the Vigilante shot getting roleblocked if we hit a situation where we are afforded one in this game. If we do get a vig shot, it is always on nomnomnom first. Otherwise, we lynch her after flipping the other scum slots.

this literally contradicts everything you've said previously

I think you might be a bit on bullshit mode tbh

I mean it's literally contradicting 250 pages of her read on you, so

[kuribo]

As if your hands are clean on that Deas lynch, Ank

[kuribo]

LOOOOOOOOOL

LOOK AT THE DISCREDIT TRAIN ROLLING IN

Oh honey, you've had that train parked in this town for days

[kuribo]

Speaking of which, let's look at that Deasvail wagon, shall we?

In post 5055, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
nomnomnom (2): panthaleon, DeasVail
DeasVail (8): davesaz, Almost50, Ankamius, nomnomnom, EspressoPatronum, Gammagooey, Firebringer, Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf (1): MariaR
nomnomnom (1): chennisden

Not Voting (2): kuribo, Dr Easy Bake

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch. Deadline is 2/1 at 9PM EST.


Oh.

The only scum not voting Deasvail is the one that literally can't vote while multiple scum are being voted. Fancy that.

So the only "scum" not voting Deas is me, when I was voteless... but you were voting him too, dude, you didn't even bother coloring your own name green because you're hoping people forget.


So by your own assertion, you also voted with the scum team on that lynch.


How cute that this makes me scummy.

[kuribo]

FL, Kuribo, legitimately if either of you two are town, then you have to know Ank is out of her scum range.

Hey Eddie if y'all were town, ank would know I'm way way fuckin out of mine here so that appeal means shit

[kuribo]

hey kuribo, if ur are town stop being a reactionary player. I know u aren't like this when ur town but all uve done today is react and aren't even pushing lynches.

U just yell and scream anytime someone calls u scum.

Okay realtalk here


I legit don't know any other way to play town

[kuribo]

Like I don't know what you want from me dude

You don't like my playstyle you say you find it scummy whatever

It's unchanged over twelve years and calling me scum isn't going to make me figure out how to all of a sudden play mafia

[kuribo]

you guys aren't showing any solving in response

I dont magically divine "solves" dude I need at least one scumflip before I can coalesce a scumteam by associative tells


That game that mastina died in? The one that's over? My reads were embarrassingly bad. Just gonna throw that out there. It's because I scumhunt through emotion, and it's way harder when I'm not the one in the game.

[kuribo]

Like I don't know what you want from me dude

You don't like my playstyle you say you find it scummy whatever

It's unchanged over twelve years and calling me scum isn't going to make me figure out how to all of a sudden play mafia

I don't believe that is all of ur playstyle. That is like the most superficial level of your playstyle and that's all ive been seeing.

I don't even hate it, I just don't see anything beyond that superficial level rn.

You've obviously never read any of my games then

[kuribo]

FL, Kuribo, legitimately if either of you two are town, then you have to know Ank is out of her scum range.

Hey Eddie if y'all were town, ank would know I'm way way fuckin out of mine here so that appeal means shit

THEN HOW COME I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT!?!?!

I mean I am def not a master kuribo reader but this seems subpar even for scum!Kuribo playing.
I don't even know how you think ur out of any range unless you mean below the range of normalcy.

Because you don't know what you're fuckin looking for dude

I play maybe one, two games a year. Three tops if you count the ones I ragequit

[kuribo]

You've obviously never read any of my games then

ive been in at least 4 games with u. One where I was scum with u.

I think u remember me less than I remember ur games.

Well you obviously didn't learn anything from those games then

[kuribo]

What should I be looking for?

What does it matter? If I tell you, you'll just be "oh you're scum trying to misdirect me."

Like I could sit here and tell you how my town game relies on driving people into an emotional reaction and judging the response. Or how I think meta is dogshit and VCA is shit too. Or how I don't even try to guess why someone does something, I look at how their actions harm the town. Or maybe I could tell you how people's interactions with me is how I get my reads. I could go on and on how it's a really fuckin draining way to play, or how being town makes me want to quit as soon as I open my role PM because god knows herding idiot cats on this site is as fun as having my nuts whipped with a car antenna. I could tell you how instead of assuming I'm faking being pissed off, you ask yourself if I'm just grouchy because of my personal life or because I don't have a handle on the gamestate, or because I'm just sick and fucking tired of arguing with people in general.

But no, you don't actually care about any of that and so there's no point in you asking. And btw it was really REALLY shitty of you to throw me out as "blaming others for being pissed off," when you admitted your intent was to piss me off. That's the kinda shit my ex wife used to do when she'd hit me dude.

My murdercock is righteous this game but it's starving to death for the blood of scum. Townread me or don't, I'm over it man.

[kuribo]

And by the Fucking way


Screaming at people to get them to slip up is a hell of a lot less effective than it was six years ago

You know how frustrating it is when your entire fuckin playstyle is A- frowned upon by admins, but also B- ineffective with current site meta


I'm a Fucking dinosaur, I get it, and I need to adapt. And GOD KNOWs I've fuckin tried dude. I've tried. But old habits die hard and at this point shit talking is the only way I know how to play.

[kuribo]

Like the whole thing with Ank calling me scum with my town reads was just insulting as hell. Like to the point I can't believe Town makes that argument. I'm not DGB dude, I bus like a motherfucker! I bussed one of my buddies so hard once that my own teammate (RIP Glork, fuck cancer) quit the game in disgust!


But nope, Kuribo must a shit tier scum player who votes in a bloc with his buddies and who calls all his buddies town hurrrrrrr

[kuribo]

I am town, so Nomnom, Kuribo, or the fourth person Ank out that I cant remember right now is town, then Ankamius is the correct play today.

Ankamius, you die, you flip town, you pick the pool for A50 to shoot in, since you apparently town read A50 now

I'd fucking welcome A50 shooting me


I'd rather die at the hands of a good town player than get mislynched by scum and dumbasses

[kuribo]

"The nom read isn't new" says Ank who posts quotes of herself but then leaves out just a few pages before when she said:

funny thing

the Gamma/nom/Panth trifecta is exactly what comes to mind when I think of townreads not being on the same page

[kuribo]

Less than 200 posts between hard townreading nom and then calling her scum


But sure I'M the one misrepresenting the fact her read came out of thin air

[kuribo]

Know what I think happened? I think you and your boys wanted nom to get lynched and shoot town, so you didn't wanna push the wagon yourself. You were hard buddying nom. Pressure starts coming off nom, and it starts looking like she's gonna survive the day, so you magically toss her in as scum with me hoping to get that ball rollin again.

[kuribo]

@kuribo: You do realize that you're one of the few slots that are keeping me sane still. Now why would I want to shoot you over just about anyone else? I mean, I appreciate the authorization, but I'm afraid I'd have to decline.

Send me to the afterlife and we can cry together in the dead PT

[kuribo]

Know what I think happened? I think you and your boys wanted nom to get lynched and shoot town, so you didn't wanna push the wagon yourself. You were hard buddying nom. Pressure starts coming off nom, and it starts looking like she's gonna survive the day, so you magically toss her in as scum with me hoping to get that ball rollin again.

Or is this the part where ank blames Eddie for this sudden flip from nom town to nom scum

[kuribo]

Know what I think happened? I think you and your boys wanted nom to get lynched and shoot town, so you didn't wanna push the wagon yourself. You were hard buddying nom. Pressure starts coming off nom, and it starts looking like she's gonna survive the day, so you magically toss her in as scum with me hoping to get that ball rollin again.

X

VOTE: Kuribo

This is the optimal lynch today.

It is very important that we lynch the scum within the roleblocking hood first, because then we run the lowest risk of the Vigilante shot getting roleblocked if we hit a situation where we are afforded one in this game.

If we do get a vig shot, it is

always

on nomnomnom first. Otherwise, we lynch her after flipping the other scum slots.

Davesaz, if by some miracle is town, will have enough information to give us something in future days with his ability. Otherwise, the second lynch upon a kuribo scumflip is Flavor Leaf, specifically because he will be the most difficult of the remaining three to lynch and I don't expect it will be easy to scrape together enough votes before people get fed up with the bullshit he'll inevitably spew in the thread when he gets wagoned.

Assuming that both Kuribo and Flavor Leaf flip scum, then the game is just a lock and davesaz/nomnomnom should just be obvious lynches. If that doesn't end the game, then the last scum is probably Gammagooey or DEB, but I expect that this solve is exactly correct.

Let's finally get this game going so that we can avoid having an embarrassing perfect scum win in the large, please. Vote kuribo.

Unless you're unfamiliar with the concept of linear time, pointing out that you recently changed your tactic isn't a cromulent point

[kuribo]

X

Your initial point was that I wanted to lynch her and have her shoot town.

My stated suggestion is to shoot her or lynch her when there's only one scum left.

okay allow me to introduce you to linear time


You see, some events happen after others.

This is inevitably part of the fact that we can not go backward through time.

I'M REFERRING TO WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY POSTED YOUR "READS"

not your little one page ago bullcrap about shooting her or lynching her later, you absolutely did not state that when you suddenly "decided" she was scum.

Now, your big red X might apply if all events happened simultaneously outside the aforementioned linear time, but let's be real that would make Valentine's Day REAL confusing

[kuribo]

i mean, it's as bad as the whole "oh, look people turning up to defend themselves'

Anytime anyone gets talked about, the game is going to spike in activity just because it goes to the top of ego

[kuribo]

The roleblocker hood did mention MariaR as suggesting dave in a list, but it was kuribo that pushed the davesaz block.

Another wild and blatant misrepresentation by the absolute queen of dirty deeds here.


Maria suggested it night one. I scum read Dave at the time-- as did many people before his claim-- and so it was like Fuck it, why not? Who better than a mutual scum read?

Night two I said "we might as well just do Dave again since we all scum read him and nobody claimed any ill happenings as a result of our blocking him."

Day 3 he claims investigative and A50 claims vote stealer which you confirm.

I tell the group we aren't ever moving that roleblock off of you.


You act as if I was "pushing" blocking Dave after it was known he was investigative which is absolutely not the case and has never been stated as such.

[kuribo]

As for why scum would want to block the invention twice in a row... it's an investigative that scum can't control. That's reason enough.

You're either outright lying or you're still unfamiliar with the concept of linear time: none of that was known until day 3, at which point our group stopped blocking Dave

[kuribo]

So you only wanted confirmed town as green but you're happy coloring your "scum reads" red as if they're confirmed scum.


You're so shit at this gaslighting stuff dude.

[kuribo]

And you act as if Creature was some horrible mislynch without merit when the slot never once showed an inkling of towniness and still refused to do anything to help the town even after it didn't matter anymore.

[kuribo]

Can someone remind me why we’re not lynching nom anymore? And it seems like people were pivoting to my biggest townread and have now backed off? I feel like I’m getting whiplash.

Not my tempo!

Because I'd rather lynch your buddy ank than lynch town, you scumfuck

[kuribo]

I mean don't get me wrong, I'd settle stringing your ass too, but you keep slipping out of that noose despite being the least town player in the game for four days running

[kuribo]

So you only wanted confirmed town as green but you're happy coloring your "scum reads" red as if they're confirmed scum.


You're so shit at this gaslighting stuff dude.

Legit question to my townreads

Do I even need to rebut this?

Ive pointed out multiple lies and misrepresentations and manipulations on your part over the last two pages.

If you don't have an answer for why you're acting so scummy, I can just assume you're scum.


You shouldn't need your "townreads" blessing to defend yourself.


I mean other than the fact that your actions are indefensible.

[kuribo]

So you only wanted confirmed town as green but you're happy coloring your "scum reads" red as if they're confirmed scum.


You're so shit at this gaslighting stuff dude.

Ohhh noes. Someone colors confirms greens but they also color unconfirmed people red as if they are confirmed.

What a disingenuous liar!!!!

They are going to tell people these are confirmed by mixing the two!!!! LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND GASLIGHTING PEOPLE I SAY.

like i am certain someone reading anks post will come away thinking "ohhh Kuribo is confirmed scum because he was red"

You sound ridiculous.

I can't tell if you're intentionally missing the point or if you're playing like complete garbage and that's why I keep going back and forth on you

[kuribo]

She says she didn't green herself because she didn't green herself because she only wanted confirmed town as green but has no problem coloring unconfirmed players as red.

That's some disingenuous bullshit and you fucking know it.

[kuribo]

I can't tell if you're intentionally missing the point or if you're playing like complete garbage and that's why I keep going back and forth on you

i am garbage.

Well at least we both know we're trash at this game

[kuribo]

As for why scum would want to block the invention twice in a row... it's an investigative that scum can't control. That's reason enough.

You're either outright lying or you're still unfamiliar with the concept of linear time: none of that was known until day 3, at which point our group stopped blocking Dave

or assumes scum knew that.

So the idea is that Dave and I are scum together, Dave steers the investigative hood to chenn both nights knowing we're going to be roleblocking him, despite Maria initially suggesting it, and despite knowing Dave needs other votes to help him steer it to townchenn. And despite me needing votes from Maria and/or Vex/panth to successfully block him. And that on day 3 Dave somehow--- for no reason whatsoever-- outs the investigative group, forcing the roleblock group to claim publicly?

If you can't see Ank's theory for the 9-11 steel beams bullshit that it is, then I don't know what to tell you.

[kuribo]

She says she didn't green herself because she didn't green herself because she only wanted confirmed town as green but has no problem coloring unconfirmed players as red.

That's some disingenuous bullshit and you fucking know it.

how is that disingenuous.

i am actually curious because ive done that before when i have colored vcs with red/green. That really isn't common and i don't get ur opinion that this is "disingenuous"

Maybe I'm just old fashioned because coloring unflipped slots is scummy as hell in my book

[kuribo]

She says she didn't green herself because she didn't green herself because she only wanted confirmed town as green but has no problem coloring unconfirmed players as red.

That's some disingenuous bullshit and you fucking know it.

how is that disingenuous.

i am actually curious because ive done that before when i have colored vcs with red/green. That really isn't common and i don't get ur opinion that this is "disingenuous"

Maybe I'm just old fashioned because coloring unflipped slots is scummy as hell in my book

To clarify I'm referring to VCs

[kuribo]

I mean I've scumread people because I dreamed they were scum and because I'd town read them for too long so

[kuribo]

Lol @kuribo rage

Yah because I'm just screaming and cursing right now


Speaking of manipulative scum there's DEB being as useless as ever

[kuribo]

We've already established that Ank seems to think all events happen simultaneously and has no concept of linear time

[kuribo]

I fail to see how people don’t see Ankamius as scum here.

I think panth hit the nail on the head in the neighborhood, he basically bemoaned the fact that mafia has become a bunch of egotists trying to push their "solves" at the same time


And he's not wrong


I don't need to "solve" the game all at once, I just want one scum. Then we move on to the next one. And we repeat until all scum are wormfood.

The obsession with "solves" on this site makes the game unfun and stifles actual scum hunting.

But that's more of an MD post

[kuribo]

God DEB is so bad. Ank can you walk me through your town read on him?

Also, this is scum posturing. Could be indicative of townDEB, but not entirely sure

Counterpoint, I think panth like myself has a hard time seeing DEB as anything but scum's designated lurkaderp. Any question about DEB's alignment has been answered with "he always plays this way," which is hilarious coming from people who call me scum without acknowledging I always play this way as well.


The difference is that panth seems to have an open mind about Ank's "read" on DEB, whereas I know it's just gonna be more deflection.


A better question would be to name one town thing DEB has done. Cause I got nothin.

[kuribo]

Damn, Panth shading Ank in the neighborhood but kissing up to her in game thread.

Is that S/S or T/S?

He wasn't referring to ank specifically, I'd have to look up time stamps to see who he was referring to

[kuribo]

Then he must have meant you and Ank? Shrug.

The point is that yeah, that's pretty much what mafia has become. Dick waving and solves.

And usually I don't even mind the dick waving but I'm cold from barely playing over the years and we all know what happens to dicks in the cold

[kuribo]

I’ve been voting Panth for days now.

Try voting scum then

[kuribo]

Let’s go back to Ankamius should have been loved today, shall we?

That seems to have fallen by the wayside.

Maybe she is and she's lying about not being loved.

[kuribo]

Does EC really talk like an English aristocrat from the 1700s?

[kuribo]

It's okay Dave you're doing the lord's work here

[kuribo]

and it's absolutely great how the first thing that you and kuribo do after I write that giant case is to go into immediate discredit mode and nitpicking random bullshit like it fucking matters

all you're trying to do is sound more reasonable so that people stop listening to me again

If you don't want your wall posts discredited, maybe you shouldn't try to discredit town with them

[kuribo]

Panth, FB, DEB. If you’re not scum, then I’m starting to feel like it’s A50, but that’s a slippery slope

Ank, DEB, maybe FB but I'm not as rock hard there as I am on the other two

Probably not panth, def not A50, def not nom, not Dave, prob not Maria, dunno bout Gamma


I don't need a solve, I only need one at a time

[kuribo]

And lol at that whole discrediting your wall argument


You seriously think you're gonna come at me with tinfoil hat bullshit and not expect me to respond

[kuribo]

none of these scumteams that FL/kuribo are suggesting make any fucking sense if you think about it for more than 10 seconds

Says the person literally pushing a batshit convoluted plot in which Dave has me manipulate the roleblocker group (despite me not being the driving force behind blocking him) while he manipulates the investigation group to make sure investigations never go out. Followed by Dave claiming it outright with me claiming the roleblock group in such a way that we can never ever role block his investigatives again.

[kuribo]

Ank has to be scum, I refuse to believe that any town player picks those four scum reads and then in good faith pushes that argument to make it fit.

[kuribo]

if jingle can tell you with a straight face that I can still be scum after the last 20 pages

then you're either scum or hopeless. there's no other options.

Now whos playing the discredit game?
You didn't even wait for an answer before you threw shade there

[kuribo]

I will give you that this is the first time any of you four have actually reached out and tried to convince me I am wrong and I will respect that enough to respond

but scumreading me despite this is absolutely insane, my scumrange does not include spinning elaborate solves with THIS MUCH emotion involved and with THIS MUCH consistency in posting

even FotM, my strongest scumgame on the site, was missing one of the three.

I'm not trying to convince you of shit, I don't need to convince scum that they're scum.

And again you got no room to talk about elaborate solves cause that's all you pal

[kuribo]

Dude I've read your emotion. That's what I fucking do, and your emotion doesn't read town to me.


Nom's absolutely does.

[kuribo]

I will give you that this is the first time any of you four have actually reached out and tried to convince me I am wrong and I will respect that enough to respond

but scumreading me despite this is absolutely insane, my scumrange does not include spinning elaborate solves with THIS MUCH emotion involved and with THIS MUCH consistency in posting

even FotM, my strongest scumgame on the site, was missing one of the three.

I'm not trying to convince you of shit, I don't need to convince scum that they're scum.

And again you got no room to talk about elaborate solves cause that's all you pal

Disregard the elaborate solve line I've been awake for 24 hours and I misread

[kuribo]

nom+kuribo+dave*

Shit you've cracked the code my dude because I never ever bus and I certainly haven't built a reputation for bussing people into dust and letting them coast to endgame off it


Like you talk all this good shit about me being scum and you wouldn't know my scum game if you got my role PM apparently.

You dismiss my counterpoints as "nitpicking" but it's not like you've placed some great case against me. Why the fuck do you think no one is helping you mislynch me? You've been calling me scum for DAYS, and not a single accusation has stuck because it's all bullshit speculation and dumb assumptions about a playstyle you don't like.

You act all indignant like I should be townreading you, but your behavior has been sketch, how the fuck do you think it looks when you've obviously decided I'm in your mislynch pool and you just oscillate back and forth between my townreads? Cause from here it sure as HELL looks like you're lining up those mislynches dude.

And you know what, fuck your accusations of nitpicking, I'll be the first to Fucking admit I ain't the best at countering accusations with logic or clear retorts, because that ain't never been my game. But what I do have is righteous indigfuckingnation, so when I see the latest in a long line of scum trying to get a win on me, I damn sure don't make it easy.

So yah, you can say all you want some shit about "lol Kuribo nitpicking" or "lol Kuribo emotion" or "lol Kuribo only days shit like I don't get mislynched," but you know how I know you're scum? You apparently not FUCKING ONCE have tried to even consider reading any of my town games, and there are a LOT, otherwise you'd Fucking know that none of this is my scum game. Yah I taunt scum about not being able to mislynch me. Been doing it for years. Go look it up. Yah, I scream at people and maybe even make nonsensical counterpoints. Been doing it for years. Go look it up. Yah I been emotional, so emotional that I completely shut down or even ragequit. Been doing it for years. Go look it up.

The fact that you tried to push wagon on me while treating me like I'm any other dickhead on this site is just plain insulting and shows me you sure as shit ain't town. Otherwise you'd have Fucking bothered to try and read me instead of just pretending like you think you know what I should be doing.

I know you ain't going to read or take this post to heart, because you're scum, and as sure as you're a coward, you're gonna try and dismiss this or brush it aside because that's what scum does. But I don't give a fuck, I want YOU to know I'm on to you. You can't act as if my scumread to you is somehow unjustified, and that's the part that's most insulting of all. There's no god damn WAY that town makes the posts you've made with the lazy, halfass, dimestore read you've made on me without even a second of consideration for how I've been approaching mafia for over a decade.

[kuribo]

kuribo - my town read on kuribo had severely degraded. Similar to Maria, he wasn't around in the neighborhood last night and hasn't really been there at all today. I don't really buy the rage since I haven't seen him try to push anyone with it. I feel like some point in the list few weeks he would try to flex 12 years of prowess to actually wagon someone, and I don't understand why that hasn't happened.

wasn't in the neighborhood last night?


NO FUCKING SHIT I WAS VLA

like seriously dude?