EspressoPatronum
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In post 5951, EspressoPatronum wrote:Lmao, now I have FL in the doctor hood telling MariaR he needs her vote on Ank.
Is this some next level attempt at derailing an Ank wagon? Or did FL just slip??
In post 5963, EspressoPatronum wrote:This is correct.In post 5961, Flavor Leaf wrote:I said I think we need your vote on Ank, Maria
Not Panth or FB.
2 separate posts. I didn’t look at it like that, but I guess I see why he’d call it out like that.
In post 5966, EspressoPatronum wrote:But my vote was also on Ank alreadyIn post 5957, Flavor Leaf wrote:Maria’s vote was already on Ank. I was telling you I wanted your vote on one of them.In post 5951, EspressoPatronum wrote:Lmao, now I have FL in the doctor hood telling MariaR he needs her vote on Ank.
Is this some next level attempt at derailing an Ank wagon? Or did FL just slip??
In post 5970, EspressoPatronum wrote:I have no idea what's going on... that's why I brought it up to the group. IIn post 5964, MariaR wrote:? My vote is already on Ank? Is this some last ditch effort or something? No, FL isn't the selfless type.In post 5951, EspressoPatronum wrote:Lmao, now I have FL in the doctor hood telling MariaR he needs her vote on Ank.
Is this some next level attempt at derailing an Ank wagon? Or did FL just slip??
Why would FL ask for your vote on Ank in the doctor PT?
I already asked my team what they think. More to come when they weigh in.
In post 6040, EspressoPatronum wrote:UNVOTE:
Gobble has advised I unvote until we sort out what happened in my hood.
In post 6042, EspressoPatronum wrote:Whether FL accidentally posted in the doc hood instead of the Scum PT.In post 6041, MariaR wrote:What exactly are you trying to sort out?[...]
If it's the scum PT, then you and FL are scum. If it's just a miscommunication, then I'll go back on my merry way.
In post 6052, EspressoPatronum wrote:From gobble:
@MariaR why does an Ank scum flip make me town and FL scum?
@Ank what do you think of the FL+MariaR hood stuff?
Gobble suggests we lynch MariaR or lynch nom+venge MariaR to test it. A MariaR scum flip strongly suggests FL is scum.
In post 6056, EspressoPatronum wrote:If the FL stuff is real, then all my Ank stuff is possibly wrong.In post 6053, nomnomnom wrote:What about your Ank stuff??
If we're lynching someone else than Ank, it's FB.
In post 6058, EspressoPatronum wrote:How does the gamestate prove FB is scum?In post 6057, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah I agree. I just think it's just better to lynch FB in that case though, I demonstrated clear logic as to why he's scum. This gamestate is the proof of it.
VOTE: FB
And further, if we're looking at FL+Maria vs Ank, why vote outside of that?
The reason gobble suggested killing you was because I told him a MariaR lynch would probably be tough to get through today. Killing you and having you venge her achieves the same result, albeit in an inefficient manner.
This trajectory is never scum. Period. End of story. I shouldn't even have to explain this beyond the fact that it would indicate that there's some reason EspressoPatronum suddenly needs me alive and/or MariaR to die... which makes absolutely no sense with using that specific avenue of switching. It's so out there that it's almost better to just opt into "sorry I changed my mind, VOTE: MARIAR" rather than to go this route. Even then, he stays on course when given a juicy FB wagon to bite onto. I don't see in what universe this ever comes from scum, sorry.
Almost50
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In post 4953, Almost50 wrote:In no particular order: kuribo, davesaz. FLIn post 4941, Gammagooey wrote:@Almost- same question and also can you remind me why you're personally voting DV right now? I kind of want to go back to voting him but I've lost track of your specific reasons for being on him in the vast posting wasteland
I am voting DV because I decided I'd be kuribo's proxy vote for the day. kuribo is voteless, and I have come to a point I could/would vote certain slots out of spite rather than for an actual scum case. I tried to fight it and gradually became apathetic, so I decided to give my vote to kuribo to use it for today.
Note: There are other reasons to my apathy, such as other games. In the Open Setup they flipped 2 scums and then failed to nail the third and are lynching my TRs instead. In the Normal I can't offer much help to my team representative because I can't keep up with all the noise. In the mini-theme jjh was the N1 kill. Also jjh took a break since he was NK'd and has yet to return, so all this plus how I'm hating certain slots in our game contributed to my apathy.
In post 5106, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: nom
I think this is correct. If nom is Town she can Vengekill whomever she sees fit. If she's scum then we have no say on whom she kills anyway.
In post 5164, Almost50 wrote:Oh, and @EC: Your reads suck (aside from your change of heart about me). FL is TOWN, and Maria looks like Scum to me now. I am not pursuing the case on Maria because I know I always find a way to SR her, just like your Ank will always find a way to SR me of late. I still didn't fully get over that game with multiple hoods where Ank replaced in and decided to SR me just because, and even claimed she has a semi-perfect record if reading me, and then she NK'd and mastina tunneled me for it.
In post 5166, Almost50 wrote:My reason to vote nom is NOT that I SR her, because I don't. My reason is that she is Vengeful, and I think we need to make use of that extra -Town motivated- kill.In post 5127, kuribo wrote:I still don't want a nom lynch, I feel like I'm quacking in the wind on that one.
In a world were nom is Scum *not my current world); that's a good lynch (a lynch on Scum is always a good lynch).
However, in the world I'm in it still is good to lynch Town!nom and have her Vengekill a SR (I'd suggest someone in particular, but I don't want to affect nom's decision in case I'm wrong).
In post 5168, Almost50 wrote:In post 5145, nomnomnom wrote:If you really rely on me to make a good shot here you've lost your mindVengekill Maria. I will either be called a hero or a fool until the next TM is upon us. (If she flips Scum it was a JJD call. If she flips Town it was AP.) :lol: :lol:In post 5146, nomnomnom wrote:You know what
I think scums think they know where I would shoot, so they think it's safe to vote me.
Perhaps it changes how I view this whole game...
In post 5169, Almost50 wrote:UNVOTE:
Just to give both nom & kuribo their space to try and convince me/us otherwise.
In post 5308, Almost50 wrote:Someone doesn't even know how it works, but they insist they know how to play mafia and are trying to force their reads and views too. :facepalm:In post 5278, Ankamius wrote:I'm actually starting to regret requesting the roleblock on our neighborhood and abstaining from vote removing, because just putting the game at one less vote to lynch is something that would help us a lot right now while the game is this apathetic.
On another subject:
@nom: DO NOT EVEN THNIK about targeting kuribo. DON'T.
You know what? Take ME out. Give Ank the bloody Vig shot.. I don't care anymore. This game has already turned into a circus and I congratulate the scum team not only for winning here but for managing to win the whole tournament.
It all started with some idiot who thought it was cool to break the rules and use a trust tell in a bloody tournament game. That -well deserved- modkill turned the game into a night start, only with scum being more informed than they would have been had it really been a night start.
Then another idiot thought it was funny to kill the towniest player's motive by making them voteless. Then that idiot hoined forces with another idiot into making our hood PT totally useless by practicing their favourite hobby of calling me scum for lolz.
And here we are.
So, Idon't want us to win this now. At least it guarantees Chenn and -likely- Ank not winning.really
P.S. Right now the only reason I don't want Ank lynched is because I TR what EC says through her.
So, yeah, non should be the lynch to make our resident genius Ankamius feel better, and nom should vengekill me to further help Ank lead us todemisevictory. It also gives her a Vig shot to kill another townie, which would be a remarkable achievement if she really is town. She would have single handedly lead us off the cliff, and my money is she won't even apologize for it post-game. Instead, she will call me, kuribo, and probably DL bad players.
In post 5311, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: MariaIn post 5285, Flavor Leaf wrote:Maria is my top scum read and I feel I’ve been very vocal about that
Now put your vote where your mouth is and commit to it.
In post 5315, Almost50 wrote:Get it bloody resurrected and I'll support it. Everybody's "asking" why not this or that, but nobody's actually taking the initiative to vote someone other than nom.In post 5312, MariaR wrote:Tell me, what happened to the wagon on DEB that magically went away?
In post 5485, Almost50 wrote:GDI, Maria. You're making it damn too hard for me to SR you for real this game. :(
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Like, ig you are scum, WELL BLOODY DONE
In post 5486, Almost50 wrote:Well, I should've p-edited, but whatever. I saw Ank voting Maria while I was submitting the previous post, and now I know I don't want to lynch Maria this game. (Hint: That was NOT why I unvoted, as I wasn't even aware Ank had voted her)
In post 5490, Almost50 wrote:In post 5386, Ankamius wrote:I was writing a long post going into why I had reads the way they are, but I decided not to post it. Instead I'm going to do it this way.
Ankamius
Almost50
Firebringer
Gammagooey
nomnomnom
Panthaleon
davesaz
Flavor Leaf
Dr Easy Bake
kuribo
MariaR
EspressoPatronum
And yes, I'm changing my mind on DEB, somewhat, solely because of his vote on nom today.
I don't think his lynch is at all useful to the game other than the exact same reasons that nom is a good lynch, that being that it relieves a source of tension from the game.
In fact, let me try to understand something here.. if I may: You are "unsure" about DEB/kuribo/Maria, and your only confident SR is EP??
In post 5529, Almost50 wrote:There was a post on the middle of a page that got me thinking "this isn't Scum", and then one at the top of the next page that sealed it, iirc.In post 5498, MariaR wrote:I legit blinked at my screen in shock for a good five seconds. I thought I was gonna have to deal with you vote parking me. What changed?In post 5485, Almost50 wrote:GDI, Maria. You're making it damn too hard for me to SR you for real this game. :(
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Like, ig you are scum, WELL BLOODY DONE
In post 5694, Almost50 wrote:And I strongly disagree. You see, let's say nom intends to vengekill Scum (let's say she either provides one strong SR or she has a poll of 4-5 players who have 3 Scums in them). Scum are NOT going to lynch nom, and will instead NK her.In post 5531, EspressoPatronum wrote:For what it's worth, I agree that nom giving her reads would be helpful.
Now let's assume she provides a pool of 4-5 players that contains 0-1 Scum in them. It's not only safe to lynch her, but is also safe NOT to NK her immediately and have her lynched in a day or two. It also guarantees they shoot elsewhere if her pool is of 1-2 townies.
So you see, whatever nom's reads are they will always provide SCUM with more data to work with deciding their next move.
Town!nom should keep her cards (what's left of them) close to her chest. Scum!nom isn't gonna tell us the truth anyway.
In post 5718, Almost50 wrote:Good catch! Good catch indeed!!In post 5708, EspressoPatronum wrote:In my massclaim, I said the lightning rod is X-shot. FL and I specifically talked about doing this in our hood to make it seem stronger + thus more of a threat to scum.
So, @Ank, how did you know it was a 1-shotIn post 4098, EspressoPatronum wrote:MASSCLAIM:
Hood: Leading Actors
Members: EP, FL, X Elements
Power: Doctor
LMS: X-shot lightning rodbeforeanyone in the thread mentioned it?
In post 4132, Ankamius wrote:RED ALERT
Please finish the massclaim:
Almost50 - Ankamius - Chennisden- Vote Remove / Vigilante
Elements - EspressoPatronum - Flavor Leaf- Doctor / 1shot Lightning Rod
Firebringer - nomnomnom - Volpe14- Commuter / Vengeful
Kuribo - MariaR - Panthaleon- Roleblocker / ???
Dr Easy Bake - Gammagooey - Volxen- ??? / ???
Davesaz - Deasvail - Farkran- Inventor / ???
Basically everything is out already so there's no reason to just leave the rest unclaimed
(this message from EC)
The problem is this has like 1163 different explanations!
Like, Scum!Ank slipped? She either knew it from you (EP) or from FL... OR made a logical deduction (how many shots does a Lightening Rod usually get anyway??), or it was mentioned in the Scum PT with NEITHER FL/EP being Scum, or it was her skimming and not paying much attention... etc.
Town!Ank ALSO could've skimmed and made that assumption, or could have deduced it. She obviously would not have learned about it from either of FL/EP nor would she have read in the Scum PT, but she could also be making a WRONG assumption and you really are X shot (where X > 1, which is unlikely but theoretically valid).
Oh, wait! It could have been from her TEAM PT (and it still could be Town or Scum).
I'll spare you what the other 1153 explanations are for now (saving some space and time), but to sum it all up.. this is NAI. (Note: NAI as IT COULD BE TRUE IR IT COULD BE FALSE).
My question here is: WHAT DO SCUM GAIN FROM A LIGHTNING ROD ABILITY?? Do they want to redirect the kill unto themselves?? If so, WHY THE HELL DID THEY SABOTAGE THE COMMUTER HOOD BEFOREHAND? It was their ONLY way to survive without being sus as hell. (Note: FL declared he won't be using the ability and it does look bad on him of he doesn't die either way).
Still, I don't think the designers decided to factor in precisely THAT, and thus still think EP/FL are both Town, hence Ank could not have learned about the 1-shot thing from either, and thus it still is bloody NAI in my book.
P.S. I could very much bend my narrative ANYWAY you like me to. I mean, Yes.. Ank is Scum with FL and you can reread the whole game and find a load of fitting evidence. Or you can assume Ank is Town and EP is Scum trying to capitalize on an honest mistake and you still could find enough evidence to support the case too.
Now another question: Why would Scum want to give ME the Vig shot?? I don't think ANYONE would be able to guess whom I might shoot (not even I tbh) at this point.
So, you see.. this -and more- is all going through my head, and I don't know what to do!
Just look at this. It's all either directly relevant to the game, him posting his reads, or just trying to put out what he's thinking. He's not trying to appear any specific way, just... raw thoughts. I didn't quote his several joke posts and I left out a couple of 'relevant' posts, but this is literally what his most recent 20ish posts look like. With the sheer amount of chaos going on, I'm not seeing anything indicating he's trying to take advantage of it to push his own agenda. This is TOWN.
Panthaleon
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In post 4987, panthaleon wrote:Nothing about nom's behavior indicates to me someone playing to work towards the benefit of the town or of our mutual success. I see a player pushing for herself and her safety, and has done nothing with the breath of fresh air she was given except cast suspicion on those who still have the audacity to vote her.
The deadline is tomorrow. Nom has failed to do anything with her time, so I strongly advocate for a Lynch on her. I am suspicious of DV but I can say least see angles of his behavior as coming from town.
In post 4991, panthaleon wrote:Ah who could forget the classic scum tactic of "everyone gets on the same wagon and stays on it." Classic moveIn post 4989, nomnomnom wrote:I think the people that are scums on my wagons are the one that are still on it, or anyone after Ank/DEB because I feel those two unvotes in particular were extremely townie, the rest is up for debate
In post 4995, panthaleon wrote:FB you should join the nomnom wagon. it's very cool and very in
In post 4998, panthaleon wrote:DV I figured out why nomnom might be less enthusiastic about killing firebringer
In post 5003, panthaleon wrote:This is a dumb vote
In post 5005, panthaleon wrote:I'm going to pout, sit on nom, hammer DV if someone needs to by deadline, and then spend tomorrow tunneling on nom until she, like, does anything.
In post 5045, panthaleon wrote:The DV lynch is dumb. The hammer was dumb. This game is dumb.
In post 5049, panthaleon wrote:I wish I was scum. I keep joining games as a favor and getting stuck in as town.
MS has changed man. Everything is about jacking off your ego and trying to single handedly solve the game instead of collaborating and communicating.
In post 5061, panthaleon wrote:VOTE: Nomnom
Parking this here to start with. Hey nom play for serious please. Of you are town, tell me who scum is
In post 5091, panthaleon wrote:After her behavior yesterday, I am not looking anywhere other than nom.
As a happy coincidence, there's also a vengeful kill. If she's scum, we get rid of a liability. If she's town, we get a second Lynch. It's a win win win
In post 5152, panthaleon wrote:I mean you're not making a shot alone. You're doing it with the consensus of the town, if you are town.In post 5145, nomnomnom wrote:If you really rely on me to make a good shot here you've lost your mind
In post 5177, panthaleon wrote:Hey tell me more about this statementIn post 5173, Gammagooey wrote:But really does NOBODY else look at nom suddenly becoming vengeful because of a scum action and think 'Oh, that's pretty clearly b/c nom is scum and they want to give her a vengeful on the way out'
In post 5181, panthaleon wrote:I would like Gamma to tell me more about that pls
In post 5215, panthaleon wrote:Gamma spikes in suspiciousness
Hey nom obligatory "do anything." You can't just mope your way through another day.
In post 5218, panthaleon wrote:The spotlight went off you and things didn't get any better.In post 4408, nomnomnom wrote:It makes me mad because as a player I am way better when the spotlight isn't on me and I can take the time to analyze discussions, I genuinely cannot read people when it's me that's on the spotlight. It's really terrible.
Please concisely list out the playerlist and your reads on everyone. You spent a lot of yesterday complaining that you couldn't give reads because you had too much pressure on you. I have the utmost faith that you were able to take advantage of the fact that your reason fell apart to calm yourself. And I'm certain that voting DV who you claimed to be scum reading forever only for him to flip town helped you revaluate your reads.
In post 5222, panthaleon wrote:Hey nom what if, and hear me out on this one, you list out your goddamn reads
In post 5225, panthaleon wrote:This is asinine. Is being this unhelpful just NAI for you?
In post 5235, panthaleon wrote:I'm not going to reward petulant whining by doing nom's work for her. Someone who cared about winning with the town would do more than mope about how town is dumb for lynching her and how she's not going to do any work.
Obviously if nom is scum, giving her a list of people to kill just communicates details to scum anyway.
I would suggest that since nom is an actually useless slot, we put a second vote up and FoS properly for the second Lynch. This at least gives us the ability to turn a useless slot into a double day.
In post 5237, panthaleon wrote:What if you tried to contribute to the discussion and explained who YOU thought was town or scum.
I mean I'm pretty sure you're just going to throw a fit and shoot me on the way out anyway because that's on par with your engagement so far.
In post 5240, panthaleon wrote:Spoken like a true townieIn post 5239, nomnomnom wrote:Well to be honest I'd really like to make it to LYLO, or at least get further in the game if I end up getting lynched so I have less chances to be wrong. I think lynching me now is a strategic blunder .
In post 5243, panthaleon wrote:Nom: there's no point to me playing because I'm going to get lynched anyway
Nom: why do you keep pushing me you should stop talking about me
Nom: you guys definitely shouldn't lynch me it's a mistake
Thinking emoji
Yeah no, this is a town trajectory. There's no manipulative subtext to this and I can't see this emotional shift as fake, especially in a case of SvS with nom, because all this really achieves is derailing the lynch while also leaving him in the awkward spot of having to find somewhere new to park, which he pretty aggressively just doesn't do. The entire mindset doesn't make sense with him being scum, and I can't see him being scum with a town Nom because he's pretty blatantly baiting her into just shooting him if she gets lynched. This is the type of gamestate where it's entirely possible the game will just derail over and over again to make the game harder to predict, so it's really risky to bank everything on a play that has a high likelihood of backfiring if it happens to go badly.
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Firebringer, MariaR, and Dr Easy Bake will be explained in the next post, but ultimately they are the scumteam's picks in mislynches on future days. Gammagooey stands out as another possible scum, but I find it far less likely that he is scum than Davesaz.