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I'll probably lurk quite a bit after giving my thoughts (reading the game at the moment).
I would normally do a catch-up posting spam but I don't feel like tryharding this game/it's easier to just do it once when I've collected my thoughts
I'll have to politely disagree with anything about "my experience with Koba".In post 3423, Autumn Leaves wrote:The thing is that I don't think koba's play is actually scum-indicative for anyone, especially not koba. Ultimately I think poking around randomly without a plan is town-indicative because it's from an uninformed perspective. Yes it's true that they could've changed their meta here, but occam's razor says they're just town. Most of the way I read koba comes from gut, and it's difficult for them to know what to do to make me townread them on gut.
Joqiza...this is the kind of excuse I would give to keep hedging on a player, but since I don't want to actually confront them since I would be lying through my teeth, I just deflect with "It's still D1", or "The setup incentives finding the partners".In post 3430, joqiza wrote:I don't feel like anyone's actually understood 3359 yet. I'm pointing out a complex and fluid thought process. Koba demonstrated
1) paranoia of Super
2) belief that they could not evaluate nor lim her d1
3) a desire to find her partners first if she was indeed scum.
The progression I linked shows all of these things. It's not unfakeable but it does read like a villager. I would rather eliminate the players whose thought processes to me feel artificial.
My opinion on this is if a player is being a liability, the town majority shouldn't feel that they must go through X player shenanigans to discover if they're town playing in bad-faith or if they're just scum.In post 2971, joqiza wrote:Historically as town they've had a nasty tendency to view the game completely backwards, aggressively pushing bad reads and refusing to dialogue or re-evaluate.
Politely hard disagree. I don't think it's anyone fault if someone is being objectively anti-town, I don't want to call out people for having bad or good reads, but I do think that this whole "X player plays scummy so you shouldn't highlight the fact they are scummy here" is very detrimental to sorting the game.In post 3440, Autumn Leaves wrote:I also just don't agree with the philosophy of "if x is town, they played bad and therefore it's their fault". A lot of people play bad as town, and it's your job to distinguish between bad town and scum. I can link multiple games where koba played very similar to this as town, and if you're saying that's not a reason to townread them, fine, but at the very least it's not a reason to scumread them. Especially when they're not even in the game anymore.
Hello Mena, nice to see you around hereIn post 3447, Menalque wrote:Well, this is a very pleasant surprise, hi Shirou!
I don't think you understand my viewIn post 3450, Autumn Leaves wrote:But that line of thinking makes no sense when we have a replacement for koba that you can use to sort the slot.
Don't in that case to be fairIn post 3458, Autumn Leaves wrote:I don't understand how I'm supposed to scumread koba for something that
I used to be like that until I noticed I'm losing more games than winning them by that philosophy, really.In post 3460, Autumn Leaves wrote:Well normally when there's gonig to be a replacement I'm like "ok cool, I can re-evaluate my read then" rather than just basing my read off of one slot whose playstyle I could be reading as scummy.
Weird way of seeing it but...ok?In post 3464, Autumn Leaves wrote:That makes sense, but now I'm worried you're scum who was pissed about koba getting so many townreads despite playing badly.
Firebringer posting is just...SS tier, I don't mean in an alignment way (It's my own slot anyway) but I just want to point out that the most interesting thing about Firebringer to me, is that he usually doesn't do much in the game or takes things seriously, but in sudden moments he drops a few truths in the table or some well-developed reads.In post 1429, Firebringer wrote:also if u want to enjoy the status of the "let people let u slide" or w/e, ur gonna have to learn how to not care about how others view ur slot. Which u have yet to learn in ur mafia career. I think you see people giving me passes for not giving content and wish u get more leeway but ur not going to get that leeway till u learn that appeasing those people is always going to end up with u doing a dance in front of them to get that read u want. idk just tips for mental health.
Yeah...I don't want to repeat those kind of games. I want to try being casual even though I always fail...In post 3468, chennisden wrote:ah that game. what a disaster
Essentially, maybe yes, to me it's one of two things:In post 3466, lilith2013 wrote:I think you’re kind of trying to get at an occam’s razor thing, like let’s assume anyone playing with agenda is doing so because they’re scum.
I'm quite used to having weird reads that no one gets, and even strongly opposes. I don't really think of anything at the moment out of people saying them town read DK.In post 3472, joqiza wrote:Shirou if you're so convinced DkKoba is scum how do you feel about Johnny's comment where he said "in no way is this DkKoba's scum game"
Yes, I forgot the name, but it was a game where you had a hydra with Nancy, and we were separated in two different micros.In post 3477, Auro wrote:Hello Fumuki. We have played before, right...?
I only did read 2/3 of one of yours posts replying to math, but I do like the fact you're voting math slot.In post 3489, Menalque wrote:Shirou, do you have a read on me yet?
I don't remember...actually.In post 3490, Auro wrote:I remember in that game (Doubles Mafia) we had a chat about dedication, didn't we Fumuki
I'm of the weird philosophy that early game content is more readable than late-game content, because late-game content is mostly playing around the same wagons and opinions.In post 3493, lilith2013 wrote:what everyone is saying is we have math now, read math instead because you can interact real time and then we don’t have to go through this question of “would koba do this as town?” without being able to ask them questions
Yeah, I find replacements much less readable than people that started the game because they already know who the consensus reads are, what looks good to say, what looks bad, what to focus, the position their teammates are, etc.In post 3508, Menalque wrote:Doesn’t that make it really hard for you to read slots like me this game where I replaced a p lurky slot like 50 pages in?
Firebringer vs Lilith banter about mafia is the best content in this gameIn post 1434, lilith2013 wrote:I'm more just like, complaining about the general masses *gesticulates wildly* you know? cause I'm petty and shit
YeahIn post 3522, Autumn Leaves wrote:Shirou I'm a bit confused about your position on koba now--you SR them but you think there's a decent chance that you're wrong but you don't really want to put in the work to re-evaluate your read--is that right?
first good post from DK I've seen in 58 pages.In post 1438, DkKoba wrote:i think auro/lilith/me towncore sounds good rn :3
super can join if she finds a scum for us
Nothing impressive, but I do put a bit of value in Firebringer/The Worst opinions on you to be fair, even if I usually ignore meta reads nowadays.In post 3528, Auro wrote:Shirou, what's your impression of my slot?
I'm gonna be honest, take in consideration I may change this as I read more, but if someone came to me and said "gun to your head, who do you take to endgame as townblock?"In post 3534, Menalque wrote:I feel like you will get to me town correctly unless you start having excessive paranoia
dunno, it's not a question of what exactly you were doing, it's a question of:In post 3537, Auro wrote:Huh, that was an unexpected reason. And by "playing around her" you mean what, exactly?In post 3535, Shirou wrote:I disliked you trying to play around her overall.
This post doesn't make me paranoia you that much neither means much, but you do know that in a mafia game it's never going to not be weird saying "hey, you've read me correctly congrats" right...In post 3553, Menalque wrote:You’re getting better at reading me, well doneIn post 3539, Shirou wrote:I'm gonna be honest, take in consideration I may change this as I read more, but if someone came to me and said "gun to your head, who do you take to endgame as townblock?"In post 3534, Menalque wrote:I feel like you will get to me town correctly unless you start having excessive paranoia
I would say Lilith/Super/Chennis/Mena, and if I'm wrong on someone it's probably only one which means we still win?
I can be easily be wrong on someone there though, especially given I haven't read much of your posts. But the way you're talking to me, talking about DK, your stance on the gamestate which is voting math, etc.
It just feels town.
I think this makes it two games in a row! Excite
Me and Menalque have a short story of staring at each other in games and goingIn post 3565, chennisden wrote:Also worth noting in 3563 he asked Menalque specifically, though I'm not sure what that means
JokeExplainerBot...?
Ah yes, that was the one.In post 3576, Auro wrote:"Wagonomics"?In post 3574, Shirou wrote:The best gimmick alt to me up to this day was one where they talked about reads as if they were stocks.
Every post of them brought me a smile, I don't remember the name of the alt though.
bookmarked, thanks menaIn post 3588, Menalque wrote:memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=27163
Up there with Cromulent Simpsons Quotes
I'm a notorious tunneler if it helps anyone read on meIn post 3663, MathBlade wrote:B) They are a naturally tunnelly player similar to me and once they get a read they get it and have to be sold otherwise and will do this as any alignment.
Mena you overestimate me...but thanksIn post 3674, Menalque wrote:I think he means that ABR left instructions in their discord or PT for Shirou to do thatIn post 3672, lilith2013 wrote:okay abr is permabanned
I’m pretty sure it’s against the rules to communicate about these games outside of your MS-ordained PT and discord server
So you’re just.... casually accusing shirou and team of breaking rules by conversing with a permabanned user to get ahead in a game?
Which is ridiculous, obviously, given that ABR was a profoundly average scumplayer while Shirou is one of the absolute best on site
It's fine, I don't really mind speculations, but yeah you can rule out that possibility.In post 3679, MathBlade wrote:Apologies I did not think about how that sounded. My bad. No I would never accuse another player of cheating.