Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Gypyx]

wow that was helpful you just told me that I could be town or scum.

you're more likely town, but not for what you advanced

[Gypyx]

wow that was helpful you just told me that I could be town or scum.

you're more likely town, but not for what you advanced

I didn't give any reasons for anyone to TR me. I'm literally looking specifically for SRs on me.

ah didn't know that, i'm not your guy then

[Gypyx]

why would scum send a peach to someone they are killing?

Because being tracked to the nk and some random schmuck is much harder to explain than being tracked to just the nightkill if you're a FV.

but scum has no reason to be tracked in the first place

[Gypyx]

Hence, potentially broken by flavor.

This is like, the most obvious thing you would check for with this setup though and very competent mods and PenguinPower all looked at it

well, if i understeand correctly, everyone has a different fruit right? or at least there's a huge variety, so like, that just tells us that fruit vendor can't be fake-claimed

pedit : woah wallpost

[Gypyx]

hmmm, thinking about SB's reaction to the wagon, and like, she really seemed apathic about it, if scum was really going for a "let's go hyperbus kanna for town points" she would've at least engaged in some theater against scum pushing her wagon?

[Gypyx]

murder could you tell me more about the pooky TR?

[Gypyx]

I personally can't imagine being like "oh wow this person made some scummy posts but this person is MUCH scummier so that means that the former is probably more likely town". You don't have the flip of the second person in your hand so I would think it's more likely that you just scumread both.

It does seem like Private thought that PB/SB was some kind of scum/town interaction, so I think it makes sense?

Yeah although i suppose the question is why is there an arbitrary "1 scum in PB/SB" line being made, that which i would like to pose as a question to Private probably if he remembers

The other thing I want to hear about is why Pooky's soulread failed. how. how could it !?!? I dont really know if that makes sense as question but its on my mind

he apparently never faced scum!kanna so that's a reasonable explaination why

[Gypyx]

It does seem like Private thought that PB/SB was some kind of scum/town interaction, so I think it makes sense?

Okay but like when you have that kind of assessment you usually say "I think there is one scum in this grouping and I scumread both". Monty's outward facing reasoning on Spring suggests that she should be a scumread, and the implication is that because Pink Ball is a stronger scumread that makes Spring a townlean but I don't think anyone actually reads the game like that as town.

well, if you got a S/T read that seems reasonable to me yes?

anyways we should prob let him clarify that

[Gypyx]

don't worry PB you will get your 10 points now are we allowed to not blindly sheep you?

[Gypyx]

Noraa, pls take a step back from PM, even if we're in a messed up world where he's scum, this isn't happening today

[Gypyx]

PB*

[Gypyx]

also hmm... thinking about this, but should we claim fruit flavor? like maybe scum has a poisoned fruit vendor? plus it can't hurt

idk i'm dumb probably

[Gypyx]

No one thinks that saying im scum with kanna and then doing a 180 once kanna flips scum is weird? Not a single person?

ah yes, because it is widely known that town never changes reads when thinking

should maybe stop it with the sass lol

[Gypyx]

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

[Gypyx]

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

What's scummy about clidd's behavior, and why is her iso being a huge void scummy?

clidd basically dropped a buch of meta on you then repped out, and according to iv he has a meta of being a very good townplayer, but disliking very much being scum

so like, idk, i feel like if he was town, even if life had him busy, he would at least try to solve?

and by a huge void, i mean that i see him avoid taking stances / solving

[Gypyx]

Go read 3071.

Can towncase if necessary after that.

yup it's necessary

[Gypyx]

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

I don't think this is accurate at all.
Just look at the huge post she dropped analyzing the votes on the SB wagon.

so you call summarizing the posts of everyone analyzing? if so yes MT analyzed the wagon

[Gypyx]

clidd basically dropped a buch of meta on you then repped out, and according to iv he has a meta of being a very good townplayer, but disliking very much being scum

so like, idk, i feel like if he was town, even if life had him busy, he would at least try to solve?

I was actually a bit concerned about this because clidd is playing in a game right now.
I think saying Morning has not been solving is somewhat of a stretch.

hmmm maybe it's a stretch yes, but i still think it's under the level at which a green boi would do it

[Gypyx]

Clidd was on ABR's team, I would have repped out too.

Also, don't talk about replacements to get reads. Bad taste.

now i'm not calling the rep out scummy on it's own, just the behaviour that was precedenting it

[Gypyx]

I don't think listmod status has a correlation with player skill??? But you might be right that there's too many SRs on maria rn

I don't really think so though?

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

I don't think this is accurate at all.
Just look at the huge post she dropped analyzing the votes on the SB wagon.

so you call summarizing the posts of everyone analyzing? if so yes MT analyzed the wagon

Yup

okay then, analyzing a wagon is in no way town indicative as any somewhat decicated scum can just go, sink 1 hour into writing that and boom free cred

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx
lets see how this wagon does

kinda wanna call you scum for even daring to express a scumread on obvtown me just to show you that this reasoning you had is flawed tbh lol

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx
I think we have a bit of a BM+Cakez situation from Among Us with PB and Gypyx

what happened there

[Gypyx]

I think out of Private and Maria, Maria is 100% the scummier one.
I think I would want to see the two main wagons be on Gypyx and Maria today because that sounds like a pair that definitely contains scum.

I agree that private and Maria are both scummy but I have some hesitations towards them just because I feel like it might just be town paranoia that is getting to people on them. Even rn im not entirely sure where I stand on this matter but I'll figure it out eventually.

how do you define town paranoia

pedit : well idk, i was trying to make noraa calm down on the paranoia, and maybe my sarcastic tone is worrying you?

[Gypyx]

The way to make someone calm down: be absolutely rude to them. XD ok then.

yeah okay my social skills aren't the best lol u perfectly know this wasn't actually rude

[Gypyx]

love how i'm saying stuff and as soon as i make a point i actually feel good about peoples just dip the conversation with me

[Gypyx]

My problem with gypyx is that he's purposefully picking at me. He's not focusing on game content that will actually advance the game but rather just trying to anger me and I don't understand why town would do it.

i'm just doin' what's the cool thing to do in the thread when i'm avalible to post

[Gypyx]

hmmm, maybe i should stop saying shit lol

[Gypyx]

My problem with gypyx is that he's purposefully picking at me. He's not focusing on game content that will actually advance the game but rather just trying to anger me and I don't understand why town would do it.

summary of my posts since day start

talking noraa out of her PB read : | | | |
"picking on noraa" (other stuff) : | | | | |
setup spec : | | | | |
sharing reads : | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
fluff / jokes : | | | | | | |

*not focusing on game content*

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

chugga chugga choo choo

why revote?

[Gypyx]

*not focusing on game content*

yup

looks like we're just plain disagreeing there

[Gypyx]

gyp what're your reads rn

Cheet
SPF
mwb
Pink ball
S_S
Private
Gamma
Pooky
murder
Noraa
Maria
zaiden
---nullzone---
Jingle
Tweet
Cake

done during N1, adjustements would look like this :

Pink ball
Cheet
mwb
murder
Noraa
Gamma
S_S
Private
Pooky
---nullzone---
Jingle
cake
maria
Tweet
Cake

[Gypyx]

love how i'm saying stuff and as soon as i make a point i actually feel good about peoples just dip the conversation with me

Sorry, I'm fighting through a fog to post atm, and there's a bunch of stuff I'm trying to get around to. If you want interactions with me it'll probably have to wait.

t'was more directed at cake straight up ignoring me calling out his TR on MT's """"""analysis"""""
*cough*

[Gypyx]

Was there a reason that Gamma and S_S swapped for you?

Jingle

cake

maria
Tweet

Cake

Also wow I mean if there's two scum in Cakez then he might be the best flip today :p

they stayed at the same level, more that the peoples above got more town

and also thought about S_S and realized he really didn't give a strong impression

also ikr, how are we not flipping this red cake already

[Gypyx]

that reads list is not faring well with me.

ofc it doesn't you're tunneling me lol

[Gypyx]

(correct cake is the higher one on my readslist btw)

[Gypyx]

wtf why would you hide your fucking reads there lol

gtg but i'll check this

pedit : that's @morning

[Gypyx]

felt like the reads part was pretty marginal at the bottom

but the spoiler is considered as reads to me? and like yeah i have trouble focusing through reading a whole wall

really need to step away from MS ~1 hour or so lol

[Gypyx]

felt like the reads part was pretty marginal at the bottom

but the spoiler is considered as reads to me? and like yeah i have trouble focusing through reading a whole wall

really need to step away from MS ~1 hour or so lol

Well i listed the reads but you're right i didnt summarize them with the process i used to get there at the bottom, i guess it is my bad then. I myself have trouble reading walls and yet sometimes I run into the word limit myself

in any case i dont think you're being unfair, I agree that the wagon itself is not somewhere i think should be analyzed hard, but that span of the game was still useful to me

right my bad thanks for being understeading, tbf my SR is prob kinda excessive also, i'll give u time to get the content rolling in

[Gypyx]

love how i'm saying stuff and as soon as i make a point i actually feel good about peoples just dip the conversation with me

Sorry, I'm fighting through a fog to post atm, and there's a bunch of stuff I'm trying to get around to. If you want interactions with me it'll probably have to wait.

t'was more directed at cake straight up ignoring me calling out his TR on MT's """"""analysis"""""
*cough*

what are you talking about?

uh forget it i was wrong on some stuff lol

[Gypyx]

AGar's pile of yeet is
Maria or GE/Jake/

[Redacted]

I'm also liking Gamma less today.

any estimation about when that redacted read's going public?

hmmm on second thoughts don't answer this if u don't feel the need to

[Gypyx]

I do get the vibe that it could be a low energy mafia team that just let spring happen yesterday.
I don't want to be overconfident about that though. >_>

i guess we'll see if we flip red again in the next 2 days

[Gypyx]

the redacted is purely for the sake of my own sanity and has nothing to do with outside of game influence, if that was unclear.

oh thought it was something like you got an SR on someone who's TR'd and wanna wait to see more from them

[Gypyx]

maria, you keep saying you're out of your scumrange but like, what's your scumrange?

[Gypyx]

-

where did Zaiden go?

really wanna make a meme answer but i should start getting serious lol

consider him as under murder

[Gypyx]

-

where did Zaiden go?

I went off to prepare dinner for my family + eat dinner. Now I'm back reading through the thread.

ah no, it was just that you weren't in my reads list

hello though

[Gypyx]

u got any hot takes mwb?

[Gypyx]

also how is that a town post in any way?

because town are more likely to be contrary and piss people off and scum are more likely to be conciliatory and try to make friends

Do you see anyone being conciliatory?

well, kanna was conciliatory tbh

[Gypyx]

Is there a point in replying to a question that wasn't directed your way with an answer that helps no one in any way possible?

thought your point was that this was a bad tell

[Gypyx]

Do you see anyone being conciliatory?

I'm saying that Gypyx wasn't being conciliatory.

Yeah if no one's being conciliatory, your tell doesn't mean anything.

litterally answered you that confscum was conciliatory lol

[Gypyx]

Gypyx stop being rude to me for personal reasons.

i am not being willingly rude, and would answer the same way if anyone else took similar stances

[Gypyx]

and i 'm sorry if you feel like i am specifically directing efforts towards you in bad faith

[Gypyx]

That literally doesn't matter. If everyone alive isn't being conciliatory, apparently that means there's only 1 scum in the mini theme.
Go away with you terrible logic and your mentality of "lets squash everything that Noraa says"

still a somewhat effective tell though

pedit : oh well there u go

ppedit : cheet confscum, gotem bois

[Gypyx]

and i 'm sorry if you feel like i am specifically directing efforts towards you in bad faith

because you are and you should stop.

i'll try to slow it down okay?

[Gypyx]

u got any hot takes mwb?

No...
(Uh oh!)

found scum !

/s

pedit : damnit, cake boi stealing me question

[Gypyx]

@Gypyx, you've generally been pushing MariaR but I wanted to know what you meant by this particular post: viewtopic.php?p=12537160&user_select%5B%5D=34123#p12537160. This specific piece of interaction seems a bit unnatural to me. I can't tell if you're trying to say she's scum or +townread or somewhere in between. Though it could just be me misunderstanding what you're trying to say here.

well basically, i was intending it to be a maria SR, but like, i realized the arguments were kinda weird so this turned into a TR

...

i'm not the brightest ok? lol

[Gypyx]

In a game like this where it's team mafia? A) I would be a lot more active and vocal. Would not have allowed my partner to die Day 1 if I could help it by pushing other wagons hard
2) Never kill SPF here ever
I am so far out of my range it's insane rn

- you're having health issues though? so i don't think that lack of activity is meaningful?

- and maybe you say your partner's death as inevitable? like you're just ruling out one of many worlds where you're scum there

- i saw that argument come from scum quite a lot, so i'd be quite curious in seeing what makes you say that

[Gypyx]

VOTE: jake

kinda wanna see where this goes, off to sleep soon, anyone wanna make some quick talk?

[Gypyx]

@S_S lmao I thought of it, but idk how well rule of three by omission works
has anyone seen scum actually do something like that with deliberate intent?

i did this once, it was on a partner because i didn't know how to forge a good read on him

[Gypyx]

(not really rule of 3 but y'know, close enough)

[Gypyx]

hmm, well, the context was quite different in the game where i did it, so it's far from 100% damning but i still think that this is a solid point that there's scum in that group, prob not mwb

[Gypyx]

basically 95% yeah

[Gypyx]

what's the wage for a manager of the town council?

[Gypyx]

and i'd rather see more from jake before we pile on PI, like, he's been getting away too easily

pedit : cool, i'm down then

[Gypyx]

nice shitpost

looks broken on phone tho

[Gypyx]

eh, could we get more content in before we APtL red peoples?

[Gypyx]

what sort of content are you hoping for?

the kind that comes from peoples who are lacking content

[Gypyx]

eh, could we get more content in before we APtL red peoples?

if you think private is scum, why would you say this?
We get scum day 1 and 2 ... doesn't really matter if we don't get much info - we literally will have like tons and tons of lims to waste.

...which is assuming PI is indeed scum, that's likely but in case there's some fuckery going on y'know?

[Gypyx]

well all three of the players I would put under that category are only going to spill beans under threat of murder.
if we're voting Jake under the premise of us not following through then I'm not really sure how much Jake is going to care.

there's always the chance that Monty gets wagoned and starts obvtowning under the pressure, which would take him out of the lim pool.
(also a chance that he just makes it even more obvious that he's mafia and then we lim him and can apply stronger pressure to people on D3 with serious wagoning)

alright that's fair VOTE: private

also reposting cuz peoples ignored, but like, is there any disadvantage to claiming fruit flavors received?

[Gypyx]

What is the advantage?

- less confusion with claims later on

- allows CFV's to know if they were rb'd

- /!\ tinfoil theory /!\ if scum has a poisoned fruit vendor, it'll be pretty damn useful to know the flavors

and just anyways, why NOT claim that?

[Gypyx]

also reposting cuz peoples ignored, but like, is there any disadvantage to claiming fruit flavors received?

Backwards.

If there is no significant difference between fruit recieved and playerlist number, the players should claim where they sent fruit. There is potential thought in whom to send fruit to, but there is no thought in receiving fruit, and so the former is more likely to yield useful results.

Flavor is likely meaningless unless we have a CC situation, and can safely be ignored for now in case there is some link between fruit flavor and connected powers, so should not be shared.

and what about the elements i pointed out?

your PR's activated by fruit alignement is also wrong as we already claimed fruit anyways, and i don't see a world where some town roles are activated by specific flavor

[Gypyx]

nah don't claim that

we surely got some PR's we want to hide

[Gypyx]

can think of a few scenarios that massclaiming peach-stuff D2 might be premature.
like say, what if the roles that don't send peaches are PRs?

yes basically, claiming you are a CFV is basically saying you're a VT, so don't do that kids

[Gypyx]

can think of a few scenarios that massclaiming peach-stuff D2 might be premature.
like say, what if the roles that don't send peaches are PRs?

Oh I assumed everyone sends peaches, even PRs, because of Kanna's flip

pretty sure that nope

or at least that's the kind of stuff i'm not gonna risk

pedit : good point, doubt that SPF received like, 8 peaches?

[Gypyx]

murder could you tell me more about the pooky TR?

Gut?

would love to see some of these gut triggering posts then

[Gypyx]

and what about the elements i pointed out?

your PR's activated by fruit alignement is also wrong as we already claimed fruit anyways, and i don't see a world where some town roles are activated by specific flavor

FV knowing they were RB'd isn't particularly useful for town, given they wouldn't know who rb'd them or why. It is potentially useful for scum deciding who needs to make the NK if there's a town RB.

If the number of fruit received is roughly the same as the number of players (one or two less at least), claiming the sending of fruit probably doesn't out any PRs. This is corroborated by the SB flip being a multitasking PR and FV, as PB mentioned. Unless it turns out that 14 or so peaches were received what we've already claimed is more than ample for D2.

I have seen no indication that scum would have multiple kills in this game so far, and until there is such an indication I don't think it's wise to try to play around it.

As far as specific fruit being PRs, there is a chance that say, golden delicious apples (obviously not a type of peach) are actually doc shots that show up as fruit. Or some other form of invention. I don't know that scum doesn't have a method of trying to narrow down PRs based on peach flavoring, and I don't see a reason not to play around that.

alright that's fair

[Gypyx]

Is Private hammered yet?

we're at like exe-3

pedit : calm down dog guy, let the blue boi post

[Gypyx]

sounds good to me, just take a chill after that one pls

[Gypyx]

damage's already sufficient in the case that you're right but ok

[Gypyx]

Danke

just off of guessing i would go Gamma/Private as my first inclinations

Jake there isnt really any reason it isn't, i guess its very early game scumread on SPF pinged me weird at the time but i dont really think much of it anymore

i want to believe maria would be doing more as scum although obviously i dont buy into the "im out of my scumrange" argument, it is true that she hasn't had any impact on the game (for the most part, I guess Zaiden sort of counts but that preceded the SB wagon)

Pooky's actually in that same vein where he hasn't done jack other than have his one weird/different take being Kanna as hard town D1. kind of what im used to but just in lower quantity, i havent seen much of pooky really. His post count is way higher than i thought it was going to be, apparently i just missed a lot of the d1 spam

gypyx *i guess* i could be wrong but i think this is actually a significant step up from his scumplay in royalty if so really. This reminds me much more of his presence in the trials (town game)

u should NOT consider SS:royalty as my scum level tbh, like go check TENET if you wanna get a feel at how i'd do as scum

anyways i'm kinda waiting for monty to get in rn, don't think jake being his usual "low activity" self is clearing as odds are the scumteam has low energy

[Gypyx]

Danke

uh idk how that pb quote got there btw

[Gypyx]

Danke

Ait wtf

[Gypyx]

Priv isn't bad, I wanted to wagon that at the start of the day and I will support that wagon sure, but I want pressure on S_S because he shouldn't be getting away with half the stuff he is.

well don't leave us with only half the case lady, what has he got away with?

[Gypyx]

Danke

hey S_S do you agree with the push on PI?

□ Yes
□ No
□ Why the fuck are you making boxes
□ other (pls detail)

[Gypyx]

Danke

Gypyx I see you're very grateful

danke you for noticing

[Gypyx]

IT'S STILL DOING IT?

[Gypyx]

Danke

hey S_S do you agree with the push on PI?

□ Yes
□ No
□ Why the fuck are you making boxes
other (pls detail)

I'm not S_S. My name is Jingle.

hi jingle

can you detail then if u feel like answering

[Gypyx]

can you detail then if u feel like answering

:thorface:

It’s on the last page, weird beard person.

oh yeah ofc i knew that i was just testing you

[Gypyx]

wait why are y'all actually playing the game when i'm away

[Gypyx]

If you want spice how about this

VOTE: MURDERSUNNY

interesting, i think SB's interactions with murderkinda spew him town

he's far from being a priority vote today anyways

[Gypyx]

SB's interactions with murder

lynx?

i'll check my notes when i'm done catching up

[Gypyx]

okay so i only got retranscripted posts and i'm too lazy to actually go find them back lol

also can i say murdercat/sunny's avatar is AMAZING

- feels like she would say that directly to murder if they were buddies (in the PT) not just randomly say that, especially after quite a few content is being dropped

murder, infinity wants to you start obvtowning so he can townlock you!

speaking of infinity, i just read our discord chat and he said he found the “it makes sense in my head” sequence lamist, which i am happy about -

same for that one, like, that just feels like a super line to fake?

and if it's real, and murder is scum, it belongs way mooore in the scum PT imo

{murder, noraa}
{pooky, cheetory}
{gypyx, zaiden, s_s, sircakez, morning}
{pink ball, mariar, midway, spf} --- null
{jingle, private, jake, gamma}

putting your scumbuddy on top of your townreads would be a pretty fucking ballsy move i'd say, i don't see it with apathic!kanna and neither with strategizing!kanna as a bus is already risky on it's own

[Gypyx]

super weird*

[Gypyx]

sure no problem

didn't really focus on the context to make those reads, but they're in chronological order basically

[Gypyx]

I won't waste my time on pink ball anymore tho. I'll forget the linking and I believe that if scum, it'll show through eventually.

It's funny. Now that I don't SR pb, I feel like I have no SRs. But a moment ago I felt like I SRed the whole plist. My brain is funny.

town posts

agree with the second but not the first, can u explain why?

[Gypyx]

I'll take a look at context and get back to you, Gypyx.

That wasn't a very good town case and if you want a real one I'll do it

it was from me specifically looking for associatives

so it might not be the best

[Gypyx]

40 minutes pass but no one else posted in the main thread.

Okay yeah actually this DOES make PI look worse imo
The person who ended up being the fluke did have this correction posted very quickly, and it was a scum-scum reader-readee situation so I’m like “hey that comes across as quite similar so maybe my mile-a-minute brain hit a chord here”
VOTE: PrivateI
Putting this here as an expression of my faith in this

What do these sequence of posts mean, if someone would be kind enough to explain. How does 40 minutes of no posting reflect badly on PrivateI? I'm not following here.

Thats not spicy and its a total vanity wagon that's literally not going to go thru in this game state regardless of if its on scum.

Something struck me when I saw Nora describe S_S's vote like this. Do people consider my vote on MariaR a vanity wagon and if so, why? I'm surprised to see so many townreads on MariaR. I guess from your perspectives, if she drops something you all considered a town tell that would make sense. From my perspective, a lot of stuff doesn't add up. Still working on the case that balances the likelihood of town/scum for MariaR. I'll set myself a deadline of this Friday to release it so stay tuned. I truly believe votes for PB/MS are vanity/anti-town right now. But that's because they literally have discernable + concrete contributions D1 that form the basis behind consensus townreads - which MariaR utterly lacks.

To add to the discussion on S_S that MariaR has been pushing. Something_Smart's vote onto Spring Breeze was quite quick and opportunistic - considering they had been on Cakez the whole time. But my thought goes and I agree with Cakez here, if Something_Smart is scum, might they hesitate a bit before committing to the Spring Breeze wagon to see if the situation could be salvaged rather than instantly placing down the vote? I don't know Something_Smart as a person/player so I can't comment on this.

But I'd be surprised if they made the quick decision to abandon their buddy and fit in as opposed to waiting things out a bit - since their vote came down extremely quickly without putting up any formalities. Whereas MariaR literally slammed down her vote as the hammer without any explanation when everything looked doom despite posturing Spring Breeze as obv town earlier. What I do know is that if there is scum between S_S and MariaR there can only be one. And in this instance I'm definitely leaning towards MariaR here and my guess is that she's scum with an ability related to casting a hammering vote.

Additionally. I'm not actually sure PrivateI's flip would solve much about the game. Or at least more about it compared to MariaR. Their interactions with people were generally limited and even if they flipped town/scum I'm not sure it really tells us who else is town/scum. Unless I've missed something here. Whereas I feel MariaR's flip would tell us more about the game since she's inextricably linked to more people in terms of direct interactions.

basically if i understeand, PI posted as if he made a stream of conciousness rectification, but it's been 40 mins since he made the post

did i get it right?

pedit : oh well, rip

[Gypyx]

I won't waste my time on pink ball anymore tho. I'll forget the linking and I believe that if scum, it'll show through eventually.

It's funny. Now that I don't SR pb, I feel like I have no SRs. But a moment ago I felt like I SRed the whole plist. My brain is funny.

town posts

agree with the second but not the first, can u explain why?

Because a scum tactic is to just keep tunneling and tunneling on one person. It gives you an excuse to not interact with other people.
Noraa breaking it off is a town sign.

i mean, could be just as well noraa realizing that she can't manipulate the game while locked on PB right?

[Gypyx]

that's fair, those were not the best points anyways upon re-reading lol

thanks for taking the time to answer

[Gypyx]

That's about what I'd expect from Ceph, tbh.

Interesting he's reading Cheet as null though.

it's a good look for PI then?

[Gypyx]

putting your scumbuddy on top of your townreads would be a pretty fucking ballsy move i'd say

This was part of my reasoning, actually; most of SB's townreads were high posters. Murder was the exception, which makes me think that maybe she wanted to put a partner high up for WIFOM even if she didn't have solid logic on it.

(The other people who are noticeably out-of-place are Jingle and midwaybear, who I've also suspected for various reasons, though I've been liking Jingle more recently.)

why would she do it to a scumbuddy more than a townie?

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

need to think about if i'm okay with ending this

[Gypyx]

I mean yeah but what manipulation is she gonna do?

idk, i mean, it's always better to be able to actually have influence?

anyways, i think we're arguing just for arguing sakes as we both think the same thing so let's stop?

[Gypyx]

You guys are making this game too damn easy

guess you're not convinced by PI's reply?

[Gypyx]

huh, watcher

we fruit vend to someone scummy i guess? how about we don't tell who in order to to avoid potential scum bus drive messing things us?

[Gypyx]

PB *did* receive his own peach

[Gypyx]

but maybe we should leave the mech fuckery for tommorow

[Gypyx]

VOTE: PI

and i'm back to sleep, g'night y'all

[Gypyx]

PB *did* receive his own peach

Why did he ask Jingle if he enjoyed the Loring then? Am I missing something?

he got redirected to himself or stuff, this is tommrow's buisness anyways

[Gypyx]

uh, you mean governor?

(pls tell me to go to sleep)

[Gypyx]

Cya in 4 days!

bold words

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Close Thread

see y'all day 3!

[Gypyx]

alright

[Gypyx]

we are claiming d3 guys, not now

[Gypyx]

I think its a good sign. I highly doubt watcher is our strongest pr.

Well, I was thinking...
if there is some kind of protective(based off of the strongman), then scum have found a way to neutralize it.

think it's more likely a roleblocker given that they didn't name it "strongman"

what happened jake?

[Gypyx]

I'm pretty worried. Vended to Pink Ball on both nights and now he's dead I might not be able to get this confirmed.

I vended Hearken Peach btw. If someone received the Hearken Peach, that would confirm a bus driver does exist in the game, corroborating with what Jake said.

we're all fruit vendors, so dw no one's gonna think you're lying or stuff

and if anyone has anything to say about that, come out now

[Gypyx]

I think its a good sign. I highly doubt watcher is our strongest pr.

Well, I was thinking...
if there is some kind of protective(based off of the strongman), then scum have found a way to neutralize it.

think it's more likely a roleblocker given that they didn't name it "strongman"

what happened jake?

Really, you don't get it?
To be clear, someone

definitely

messed with my ability. if there was a bus driver on pink ball, they should out today, or else we should worry about the mafia's power.

right my bad

[Gypyx]

1. S_S is scum and tried to hide fruit in mafia kill targets. MariaR is most probably town.

????? i don't get your point there

and also, i think someone claimed duplicate fruit flavor receied

[Gypyx]

ninja is highly frowed upon though

think it would be even more in a thing such as team mafia

[Gypyx]

On Gypyx interfering with Jake's night action, it resulted in the elimination of essentially confirmed town who had so many peaches. But would scum so... openly claim to such interference?

i don't claim the interference btw

[Gypyx]

I actually do think that morning is lying cuz I do believe that no one received the peaches she claims to have vended otherwise it would have been pointed out that the peaches of the dead scum are going around.

u think she fake claims FV?

[Gypyx]

and also, i think someone claimed duplicate fruit flavor receied

If you're thinking about me, that was corrected by mod error.

alright fair

still think we should massclaim peach flavors

[Gypyx]

I think I'm pretty done with gypyx this game. He's way too scummy.
Like he's asked multiple times why someone would fake claim FV when it's literally obvious as hell that is what the fakeclaims/real claims for scum would be!!!!

._.

[Gypyx]

I actually do think that morning is lying cuz I do believe that no one received the peaches she claims to have vended otherwise it would have been pointed out that the peaches of the dead scum are going around.

u think she fake claims FV?

EVERYONE IS A LITERALY FV WHY IS THAT WEIRD?

ok misread, i mean, i personally forgot what was SB's peach flavor so i don't think i'm alone in that case

[Gypyx]

Scum team be like : Kanna/Morning/Gypyx/Jingle/Cheetory
Thats my current guess.
If its S_S,
then Kanna/S_S/Cheetory/Pooky/____

5p scumteam is quite excessive for a low power 18 players btw

[Gypyx]

Cheetory is scum because funky noraa logic. I have never found a person more towny than cheetory and what that means is that cheetory is scum or he has a very similar thought process to my own and generally people dont have similar thought processes to me so I just think his game is perfectly towny because he's scum making sure thats how it comes off.

you gotta stop scumreading the town leaders noraa lol

[Gypyx]

I'm pretty sure this game was confirmed to be 14:4.

would be interested in seeing where you had that confirmation

[Gypyx]

I'm pretty sure this game was confirmed to be 14:4.

would be interested in seeing where you had that confirmation

[Gypyx]

This is annoying - that your peaches can't be confirmed >:(

Ok well imma think on this a bit more but before I do much, I want gypyx to confirm my night 1 peach, Springprince

confirming springprince

[Gypyx]

why'd you FV me tho lol

[Gypyx]

why'd you FV me tho lol

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh this is gonna sound like the stupidest shit I ever said but I figured that if scum had a FV, then there was probably not a ton of town FV so I would be conftown by even being able to vend fruit and you didnt TR me much so I figured I could tell your alignment by sending you a peach.
What I overlooked was that
1) the peach doesn't come with a name
2) there's like two billion peach vendors and I aint special cofntown for it :/

alright, that's fine with me

[Gypyx]

yeah agreed, that seems really dumb to me, like i know mods like to punish massclaim, but this is taking it too far?

[Gypyx]

btw jingle we're confirmed no 3rd party

[Gypyx]

if massclaiming any aspect of fruit fucks us I get to pee on your graves as a ghost when I get killed

alright, do i get to do the opposite if that's not the case? :3

[Gypyx]

btw jingle we're confirmed no 3rd party

That’s dumb, 3p makes the tiebreakers less likely to be necessary and should always be included in TM.

sarcasm right

[Gypyx]

Can everyone give a simple answer to the question "Is Cake scum?"
Yes or No will do. Maybe is not allowed. Explanations are not allowed. Only yes or no.

prob no

[Gypyx]

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

This is a pretty hot take.

Who all hasn't shared their peach flavor?

i'm a crestheaven vendor or something

[Gypyx]

That's quite an extraordinary leap of logic. Can you back up a few steps, say what the other possible explanations for this that you considered were, and explain why you think they are unlikely?

like she's confirmed scum to you if you're town

you're confirmed scum to her if she's town.

neither of you seem to care very much about casing/pushing/slamming the other one out the door.

like if this was S v T I'd think both of you would like give a shit?

It feels like neither of you really care about who wins, the posting to start and follow thru is very soft - there is no sense of urgency.

It's like you both know that one of you will die today and you don't much care which one it is - which makes sense if you are both scum here.

Does it not make sense for two scum to both go to the same person they kill? It leaves less of a trace for the town and in the case of a watcher as we have here, could set up the other player as a deepwolf to go endgame.

and like Tweetie's claim being the same fruit as Kanna's fruit is just like lol what?

Its almost like she's ok going down to set you up to endgame.

actually that's very interesting

would scum really bet on there being a watcher or stuff and double risk being screwed by tracker?

[Gypyx]

@cakez / S_S : does that mean you wouldn't push a red check as a cop? cuz if i understeand your logic that means you have a confirmation bias

[Gypyx]

@cakez / S_S : does that mean you wouldn't push a red check as a cop? cuz if i understeand your logic that means you have a confirmation bias

Define pushing

try to get your check exed

[Gypyx]

try to get your check exed

you don't typically have to do much convincing when you have a guilty on someone
I don't really feel like this is an accurate 1-to-1 comparison.

eh, probably wasn't the best way to put it yeah, think it's still weird to not want to case confscum from your PoV

[Gypyx]

Given that S_S said that he doesn't really believe in scumhunting on D1 (or however he would want to phrase it), I'm not that put off by a similar go with the flow sentiment here.

what do you define as go with the flow?

and idk, imo D1 scumhunting is one of the best way to find scum, especially with hindsight

[Gypyx]

ah okay

fence-sitty but okay, does scum always take such a passive route though? (yes i've seen the hidden temple argument)

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

yea i don't think S_S is the vote today

[Gypyx]

got activity issues, my posting frequency will probably fall down drastically, sorry about that

[Gypyx]

because they're not pushing each other and don't seem to care too much about what happens (more incriminating for MT that S_S tho)

[Gypyx]

BTW, the inventory mechanic has me suspecting that there is the possibility of power role distribution. I don't really have a mech plan for this, and I don't even know if my speculation is correct.
VOTE: Pink Ball
Long time no see and apparently for good reason

I hope we can all handle this little disagreement peacefully. Anyone want a peach?

Hmm, I want to townread you for saying this.

In case I die, this is the core of my MWB townread. I realized that I'd never actually put it into the thread, and there's no reason to keep the card close to my chest since we figured out that errybody a FV. This comes across very strongly as "MWB doesn't realize there's a fuckton of FV's" in a way that I don't think scum thinks to fake, and there were a bunch of FV softs early D1 that led me to the conclusion that scum would definitely know there were multiple FV's.

uhm can I be locktown for this too? I sent peach to gypyx for that exact reason.
Plus I also think this logic is flawed. Like assuming the entire scum team is Fvs, that doesn't mean that town has a fuckton of fvs. Generally if scum have a role, town don't so there are no guarantees scum weren't also surprised that everyone was a fv.

yes but like, all scum are FVs, and you see a bunch of softs D1

and the flavor is peaches, and peaches are *unique*

*idk but i'd do the guess personally lol*

[Gypyx]

Oh I think I have extra evidence one of Morning and S_S is scum.
I received a Ventura peach and it hasn't seemed to me all day long that a townie sent it to me.

what that means is that one of morning/S_S sent their peach to me and killed spf.

¿?????????¿??????

i don't get the logic, why morning / s_s specifically?

[Gypyx]

is the game just stallin' or we waiting for smthing?

[Gypyx]

good idea will do

[Gypyx]

oh wow, that actually really makes sense, and even if scum somehow bamboozles us they'll be screwed later on

all aboard the MT train

[Gypyx]

i mean, we can wait but this is quasi-confscum

pedit : well fuck, MT claiming a duplicate peach is still a problem though? idk i need to give this thought

like, did SPF crumb that peach flavor?

ppedit : well, internet sucked, not reading all these posts

pppedit : i'm blind and didn't notice those lol, did you notice me crumbing compulsive at you?

[Gypyx]

like, did SPF crumb that peach flavor?

Kanna specifically claimed it.

i'm talking about the V-thing that you received

[Gypyx]

oh s_s answered lol

[Gypyx]

Cakez was the counterwagon to Spring D1?

S / S wagons are a thing that happens y'know

[Gypyx]

especially with 50% at least of lurking scum

[Gypyx]

interesting how jingle is in everyone's "nullish scumzone"

[Gypyx]

there are peoples TR'ing jingle?

[Gypyx]

just move your readlist upwards in the towniness spectrum then

[Gypyx]

then just wait it out sir

[Gypyx]

got 1 peach

[Gypyx]

same as last night's but i received an inventory update regardless

[Gypyx]

i'm off to sleep but i hope giving peaches to scum isn't too big of a problem as i might just have done that lo'

[Gypyx]

what were your n1 / n2 tracks cheet btw?

[Gypyx]

alright

[Gypyx]

I don't really think anything that could affect my result like that could be non-bastard.

Nothing that doesn't also defy the odds grotesquely AFAIK.

Bus driver of Pooky and the scum making the kill who both happened to also target me with peaches could do it, but like...

I'm sure there are similarly convoluted paths.

Please no flash wagon, I want to have pie.

the pie happens during the day?

[Gypyx]

Btw if I die at night ever, lim gypyx

ooooh spicy

but why tho

[Gypyx]

oh right my bad, i just wouldn't want to aMass scumreads On me you know?

[Gypyx]

there are other things in mafia than killing scum

pedit : oh right yeah, pooky, could you please move kindly your apricot selling ass to the appropriate section?

[Gypyx]

I am an angel!

go say that to PB's smashed cart >:c

[Gypyx]

bet it'll be an annoucning arsonist

pooky what do you think it will be?

[Gypyx]

like, each peach give as determined ability imo

pedit : yeah when your peaches don't change you don't get an update

[Gypyx]

tbh can we just keep pooky in for the shitposting?

[Gypyx]

tbh can we just keep pooky in for the shitposting?

+ scum buddy equity points

no u

[Gypyx]

tbh can we just keep pooky in for the shitposting?

Excuse you. My shitposting is clearly the highest tier shitposting currently in the thread, and there's nothing you can do about it.

nah sorry, pooks is superior on that one

[Gypyx]

jingle, any news about that delicious peach pie?

[Gypyx]

just got a question of mine answered though

[Gypyx]

yeah idk, just think it's interesting

that pie better be fucking tasty

[Gypyx]

hey pooky, if you were in a room with hitler, the whole playerlist, 1 bullet and 10 guns what would you do?

pedit : alright cool, can we exe gamma instead of pooky so that he doesn't die this night then?

[Gypyx]

who gets the bullet tho

[Gypyx]

there will be some kill stealing i think, but it's a good choice, like, would someone who sells apricots *really* pistoil whip hitler?

i don't think so, everyone, unvote

also where's murdercat

[Gypyx]

who gets the bullet tho

Is this one of those old timey firing squad things where you only load one gun and don't tell the people there who has the loaded one so that no one knows who actually killed the accused?

yeah exactly, that way, everyone can brag to have killed hitler

[Gypyx]

we're hungry goat daddy

[Gypyx]

we're hungry goat daddy

Those are sheeps. Check my special team mafia signature, sir.

excuse me what the fuck

[Gypyx]

the sun has risen, praise the lords !

would still want murdercat to check in

[Gypyx]

excuse me what the fuck

I'm not the weird beard dude who apparently can't tell the difference between a sheep and a goat.

those are absolutely goats and you must be some twisted psychopath to think otherwise

[Gypyx]

I lean cat, not because of Cheetory, but because Gamma softed an investigation on Gypyx and I don't want to clear that up if we're not massclaiming today.

If it weren't for that, I'd say we should vote gypyx out first out of spite for cheet. It's not fair that he got to die first.

jeez so rude, any reason why i should've died before cheet? lol

[Gypyx]

also i'm against massclaim for today

[Gypyx]

what burden dude, i'm pretty sure we're in autowin right now if some of my assumptions are correct

[Gypyx]

there's no dead thread in team mafia tho, y'all have been scammed

[Gypyx]

also, we very likely have a roleblocker / other manipulative so delaying massclaim would be great

noraa did you get a crestheaven peach or something? (checking)

[Gypyx]

i really should think before i say stuff

[Gypyx]

does it steal stuff?

(yes / no, no need to know more)

[Gypyx]

tbh i hate those "i'm scummy so i'm town" arguments so i think i'll just ignore what maria is saying tbh

[Gypyx]

i could see a world where it's noraa tbh, but other than that idk, poe is getting pretty small

[Gypyx]

i could see a world where it's noraa tbh, but other than that idk, poe is getting pretty small

I'm like two tiers higher than conftown don't even.

well too bad i do

[Gypyx]

doesn't mean my thoughts are irrelevants, just sharing those

[Gypyx]

i could see a world where it's noraa tbh, but other than that idk, poe is getting pretty small

I'm like two tiers higher than conftown don't even.

yeah gypyx idunno what you're talking about

i'm thinking that if we have a deepwolf somewhere, we prob should look at noraa, cuz while i have trouble thinking how the others are scum, it's entirely possible for the stars to align in noraa's favour and she manages to fake her town!tone imo

[Gypyx]

kinda wanna put murder to PAHtL-1

[Gypyx]

assuming no protections / other stuff, we got 4 exes

pedit : oh hi

[Gypyx]

why is jingle in the locktown tier by the way?