TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

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i mean, deb did say a few things

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Pine's obv town

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like, if you have convincing arguments for town!Pine i'd love to hear em

but 'pine obvtown' just isn't extremely compelling ya feel

kinda similar to your norwegian town read

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soul reads, brother

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nah i quit

ill come back and solve the game in a day phase or two

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FL, why aren't you sorting norwee?

last time i checked, you said you were still undecided

i'd expect town!you to at least put up an effort to sort norwee properly here?

that's your fault for expectin

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if anything this is even more in my town meta

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quit trying to find any in you can to get momentum onto me

i officially confirm myself as town

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you gained some momentum, now you trying to throw threats around.

look at the obvious facts, this is never my scum game, you're just tunneled from being oversensitive to being scum read either alignment

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both you and Norwee that is the case for, so learn how to be scum read without crying about it

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Wah wah, i am playing the game gtfo here.

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y'all fucking know I do things to get reactions out of players, so you seriously need thicker skin

I am taking a fucking break from this game.

If you think im fucking going to quit in fucking Team Mafia, you're the most surface level player I've ever met

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I was fucking obviously taking a break from this game, i'm not doing shit right now.

Norwegian asked me to fucking back off from pushing him, and I am doing just that, so gtfo.

I will fucking make cases when I'm in a better state of mind because you guys pissed me the fuck off

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if anything this is even more in my town meta

Shirou has gone over all your games where you act like a whiny bitch in response to being scumread. And he found out that there is no difference between town and scumgames. It seems all you care about is how "justified" the read on you is, and whether the slots in question deserve to catch you out as scum. You keep pointing out in scum PT's that town "catches you for the wrong reason, but it's the right conclusion" etc.

Also your lack of spark is not townie either, there are many scum games where you've acted like this.

Go find one in Team Mafia. There's 2 to look at.

Ignorance in people.

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I was fucking obviously taking a break from this game, i'm not doing shit right now.

Norwegian asked me to fucking back off from pushing him, and I am doing just that, so gtfo.

I will fucking make cases when I'm in a better state of mind because you guys pissed me the fuck off

you go take a break while i find the last votes to finish you today

Nah, you just ignorant.

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I was fucking obviously taking a break from this game, i'm not doing shit right now.

Norwegian asked me to fucking back off from pushing him, and I am doing just that, so gtfo.

I will fucking make cases when I'm in a better state of mind because you guys pissed me the fuck off

you go take a break while i find the last votes to finish you today

Nah, you just ignorant.

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Here's the thing, Ramcius, Status, Nancy, Deb, Pine, all not voting me today.

TGP's partner Johnny said Gun to head, I am town, something I believe you asked for.

You see that I'm greater than the chance of being town.

Norwegian says they're not even fully scum reading, they're just over sensitive to being pushed.

Akarin will vote me in self preservation probably

so keep pushing your ignorant agenda

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So quit pushing your trash "do something!" vote.

Fucking norwegian asked me to stop pushing him, i did.

I have posted once all day until now.

i fucking don't wanna play with you, so seriously just dont talk to me anymore Ico.

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You wanna get on your high horse "I'm gonna challenge Flavor Leaf!"

Get your rocks off, dude, do whatever you gotta do, im done with you

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Mistyx
thestatusquo
Ramcius
Dr Easy Bake
Akarin

3 of these players will need to vote FL, or Nancy/Pine have to change their minds which I deem unlikely?

can these players talk to me about why they would or wouldn't sheep me here?

Because they see that I'm town because they aren't being ignorant surface level players.

Playing like this does absolutely nothing for me, it only adds my possibility of being faded.

If you are town, you will be taking the blame for this, not me.

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Mistyx probably would vote me.

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Nah, I will fucking tear Ico to the ground if they're gonna do this trash ignorant surface level push

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You aren't charismatic enough to get the fade through here.

I can 1v2 you and Norwegian with scum assistance, but scum likely want me alive here anyways right now, especially if one or both of you fools are town

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i'll throw in some cookies if needed but i'd rather not

Nah, I will fucking tear Ico to the ground if they're gonna do this trash ignorant surface level push

Please stop. This is how scum win.

Not against me, they do not win that way.

It gets me to end game, and I always solve end game

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like there's like a 5% chance I don't full game solve end game, that's just how it is

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If you're town why are you townreadin Pine, Flavour.

Can you give an actualy believable reason.

I have given it multiple times.

Pine has zero reason to defend me the way they have.

Sure, you can say S/S, but I know that's fucking shit.

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

If he is scum, he's going for a deep pocket, and I truly don't think he goes that route against me. Like I just don't see it.

Just because you don't like this reasoning does not make it a bad reason, and frankly, that doesn't mean I'm not just right here.

Could I be wrong? Sure, he's not like a 100% no way he's ever scum here, I see the possibility of a pocket, I just actively don't think he is doing that.

There is no reason to defend me here either the way he is, I guess if I die, then he gets less protected, but Status has been actively pushing Akarin, and Ico has been going for DEB, and somebody called out TGP's timing being bad when they voted me, so there were plenty of options, and Pine hasn't taken advantage of any of those in favor of defending me, and sheeping me on the person I think is most likely scum.

Ico has also given shit reasonings for town reading Norwegian, yet they're hounding me over and over and over and over and over, and I've given the same fucking reasons multiple times

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you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

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Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective?

Not everybody's as god damn afraid and thinks im completely a wildcard of me like you and Norwegian. Pine's known me longer.

Krazy would be laughing at each and everyone one of you because he would see exactly how obvious town I am here.

Just like Tenet.

I called out 5/6 scum team on Day 1, and they went all over me, and I self destructed and got faded.

Scum went on to sweep.

I am always right when I am misfaded early in the game.

Norwegian surface level pushed me in another game too, when I had 2/3 scum team called Day 1, and they were hyena'ing me.

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you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

one day you will realize i am genuinely attempting to sort you

if poking the bear is what it takes, then so be it

i dont give a shit if you're trying to eat a candy bar.

if i was a day vig, you'd be shot right now

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you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

that's not true, i would indeed give a lot of fucks for some 'normal' content on your behalf

your fault for assuming

this is normal content

i play off vibes and actions, i dont give a shit about meta if it's not self meta. i care about true familiarity.

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norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

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ive done more content than anyone in this game, people just too surface level to realize it

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norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

And you wonder why Ico wants to policy you.

nah, he's an ignorant oversensitive surface level player like you, i know the reasons he wants to policy.

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Am I really talking myself into a fucking pine town read?

He's obv town, so you should.

He's a scumfuck as town, sure, but scumfuck Pine is town Pine.

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you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

that's not true, i would indeed give a lot of fucks for some 'normal' content on your behalf

your fault for assuming

this is normal content

i play off vibes and actions, i dont give a shit about meta if it's not self meta. i care about true familiarity.

Kids these days think meta is a thing you obtain by skimming one or two games. You’ve gotta walk a mile in a guy’s shoes first.

Known you for years and I can only sometimes get a vibe off of you. That’s why I picked out that one post early on as proof positive. “Link me a scum game of yours,” honestly. You’ve gotta

play

those games to actually get it.

I couldn't explain what PineScum is like, but I could sure as well feel it if you were scum here more than I feel I am.

I'm heated, and my posts my seem over the top, but I just swear when I'm irritated, it's half happy half aggressive, which is just mafia.

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for someone who asked me to stop engaging with you, you certainly seem to be baiting me bigtime here

which means you don't want me to back off and actually fight you?

sure

yup.

I will bait you, and expect you to back off.

That's how it works, kid

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@FL
If i could mod reveal myself town right now. Would you still townread Pine?

i was already considering you possible town.

my pine read has absolutely nothing to do with you.

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for someone who asked me to stop engaging with you, you certainly seem to be baiting me bigtime here

which means you don't want me to back off and actually fight you?

sure

yup.

I will bait you, and expect you to back off.

That's how it works, kid

You should really stop treating Iconeum like a dumb kid. He’s from the newer generation of Mafia players, but he’s generally a lot more level than this. He’s just wrong and tilted here.

ill tell the older generation of mafia players off too if i gotta. i dont mind being the villain.

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norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

And you wonder why Ico wants to policy you.

nah, he's an ignorant oversensitive surface level player like you, i know the reasons he wants to policy.

why you gotta make it personal, dude?

not cool

all in game stuff

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i get you to react and emote so easily

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im a bigger puppet master as town than i am scum

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there's even the chance we're all town here, that's where I'm at, but damned, I'll policy a yo and still come back to win the game.

I tried policy'ing a confirmed town player because I knew they were gonna cost town the game; they did.

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I think you should all try to be nice even though you might consider it all to be "in the game"

I will reiterate again that this is a game on the internet. Can we all just stop being assholes? And yes, all of you are being assholes.

i eat fools like you for breakfast

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im gonna channel my inner firebringer and alisae fusion this game, but with a Flavor Leaf base.

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im a bigger puppet master as town than i am scum

Self-meta note: I don’t actually

have

a Towngame. It’s all just repurposed scum skills.

My auto pilot is stuck on scum mode, so im super scummy when im town nowadays to most players

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firebringer would sheep me if he was in this game

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there's even the chance we're all town here, that's where I'm at, but damned, I'll policy a yo and still come back to win the game.

I tried policy'ing a confirmed town player because I knew they were gonna cost town the game; they did.

ok let's go

policy me

get me the fuck out of this game, then proceed to get your head out of your ass, and win the game for me

VOTE: iconeum

lol, k

do you actually believe people to vote you here?

such false bravado.

look at my posts if you want true bravado even if delusional

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firebringer and i would be going back and forth between fighting and pushing each other, then sheeping each other

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man, im so funny

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this is quite a hilarious game

im so worked up.

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bruh im obviously taking a step back from this game right now, im still physically here, but if you think im mentally here right now, sorry, that's just how it goes. i will post when im not mentally here, because frankly i got a mouth, i will post when im good and ready, i give my thoughts when i have them, but you keep trying to throw me in the center of everything, and im not about it. i lurk and then pounce, and then rally, and then repeat.

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get the fuck out

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fucking ignorance

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you take fucking breaks every fucking week, get the fuck out, like honestly, i dont fuck with that shit at all.

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fucking vla every weekend.

then has the ignorant audacity to push a surface level policy because im not mentally or emotionally feeling this game right now because you fucks pissed me the fuck off.

im on a mental and emotional vla here, and i still show up

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because i took a half fucking day break

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i say fuck a lot, i apologize. it's a specific mood, and it's the perfect word to use redundantly

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bruh if i was scum here, you'd be getting faded so hard.

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you fucking know it too

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I want FL to post AI stuff. These rants you're tempting are just a waste of time.

what do you think i'm trying to achieve here lol

yeah, but you're ignorant enough to think there isn't enough AI, and surface level enough to think that's a way to get more

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i will say 3 things for every 1 damn thing you do, and stomp into the ground further

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and for good measure, i'll add one more

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but instead you set me off, and make the entire game get apathetic.

good job

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jokes on you, i post just because i like to post, and the gif just gives me more ammo even though it's a troll, and i also don't mind being trolled, i like it in fact

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but instead you set me off, and make the entire game get apathetic.

good job

Lol. I mean i wouldn't exactly blame Ico alone when you're a big part of why the game turns apathetic.

Nope, I will punish everyone for one's ignorant actions.

And I will brush off anyone who thinks differently

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done

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most

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content in game

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i will blame ico for the loss here if town in many future games, and i am much louder than ico so it doesn't even matter if they try to fight back

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if y'all think im not delusional enough, think fucking again

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i will blame ico for the loss here if town in many future games, and i am much louder than ico so it doesn't even matter if they try to fight back

I will blame you.

Good thing I don't give a single fuck, right, means nothing coming from an oversensitive surface level player

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Serioiusly, you're making this into a fight of who's got the biggest D instead of just trying to solve the game. Like wtf are you doing.

bruh i aint swinging anything now, i aint trying to say im huge or anything

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i will blame ico for the loss here if town in many future games, and i am much louder than ico so it doesn't even matter if they try to fight back

*refuses to be a town player
*intentionally plays anti-town
*picks fights with townreads

*proceeds to pre-emptively blame others about potentially losing the game

lol

allllll fucking town flavor to a fucking TEEEEEEEEEEEE

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to a FUCKING TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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then dont read it

im not one of those people who thinks you need to read the entire game

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ok FL's town

Pine went up like

1 or 2 small ladders

put me back in that fucking scum corner right now, kid

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my high is wearing off

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fuck it, full sending blasting off now, time to get faded af

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i just dont hold back my deep inner thoughts when im smoking, the truth need be heard, im a truth spewer, i speaks the truth!

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i been

smoking

since like

8

it be

11 fitty two rite now

i just

keep

it

going

the

ca

dence

is

fire

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i play

mafia

better

when im high

im just more fun

you're just no fun

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Nancy Drew 39
Ramcius

Iconeum
Pine
Dr Easy Bake

Mistyx
TheGoldenParadox
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thestatusquo
NorwegianboyEE
Akarin

No order within tiers, I really liked Ramcius' push on Norwegian, I've been vibin with my Paris, Nance all game which I guess could be her pocketing because now that I think about it, I never town read Nancy fully, but i think she has no reason to defend meh as scum

DEB would have been lower if he didn't make that last post of his, that seemed like a true gut read of him thinking im town here. I dont think scum him ever makes that post.

I'm a scumfuck, but thats why im town. i put myself in that one because im scummy, but im not scummy, but im scummy, but im not scummy, but im scummy scummy.

status playing a weird thing

Akarin isnt doing anything

norwegian gives me bad vibes, i dont like it

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gimme dat dank flavored leaf, you heard of drunken fist, this doink'n'fist

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im like 86% sure i had already said everything i had already said in there, that's all from memory

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I'm also paranoid of both Nancy and Pine, but gut screams town

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Oh my god we did it people. Actual reads from FL.
Sure it's a tonal read on me, but holy shit. Gonna party with my team on discord tonight and discuss this.

bitch i do things on my own terms, supervisors from jobs hate me

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status is either super scummy with this akarin push or super genuine.

there's no in between

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bruh see, people only wanna talk to me when im a rack n a half, as soon as I started doing shit, people settled down, lame.

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zoraster(5) ~ thestatusquo(193), NorwegianboyEE(183), Mistyx(70), BBMolla(80), Nancy Drew 39(289)

scum is in here, 100% sure

Why are you 100% sure scum must be on-wagon? Zor wagon felt town-apathy-driven to me.

i believe it was meant to feel that way, yes.

This is such a weird response.

hell yeah it was

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i am very relevant to this game

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what if i only have fun playing mafia when everyone takes it overly seriously

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what if kink shaming is my kink

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i really missed being town and just being able to shitpost...it had been a while, guys

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mistyx needs to explain that FL take.

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im trying to save Akarin?

Pretty sure im the one that started the akarin wagon yesterday, and if i've given any inclination to the point where i wont steal the hammer away from DEB, I apologize from the deepest parts of my cold cold heart

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Nancy Drew 39
Ramcius

Iconeum
Pine
Dr Easy Bake

Mistyx
TheGoldenParadox
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thestatusquo
NorwegianboyEE
Akarin

No order within tiers, I really liked Ramcius' push on Norwegian, I've been vibin with my Paris, Nance all game which I guess could be her pocketing because now that I think about it, I never town read Nancy fully, but i think she has no reason to defend meh as scum

DEB would have been lower if he didn't make that last post of his, that seemed like a true gut read of him thinking im town here. I dont think scum him ever makes that post.

I'm a scumfuck, but thats why im town. i put myself in that one because im scummy, but im not scummy, but im scummy, but im not scummy, but im scummy scummy.

status playing a weird thing

Akarin isnt doing anything

norwegian gives me bad vibes, i dont like it

i even put akarin lowest here, so dont know what you're getting at

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lowest tier* the tiers aren't ordered, i said that already, just in case someone was gonna try to flip, clearing it up now

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why would i try to save akarin

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titus says that Norwee and FL should never be voted unless Akarin flips town

i'm inclined to agree

I don't think this is a super bad take though, even if anyone dislikes VCA by principle.
If Akarin is town then it proves both me and FL are most likely in a SvT, and if Akarin is scum then maybe this just is a TvT and scum are in the inactive fucks or cheering our TvT on.

not seeing how that proves anything

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because if Pine/DEB/Status is a scum team, that requires all 3 of us to be town, and i dont see why that specific scum team isn't possible, or anything like that scum team. TGP/DEB/Status, Mistyx/TGP/DEB

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why are you counting those possibilities out?

you see why I think you have political reads?

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k whatever dude stay bad at mafia

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disagree, but that's just your surface level thinking talking again

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you have absolute braindead takes on this game, you cut out multiple possibilities without explanation, you're pushing what I find to be absolute hot garbage takes

not on me, dude, you just still got your newbie showing if you're town, and are just pigheaded scum if scum, which is fine, do what you want

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I’m always surface level as town. Learn to recognize surface level town.

Pretty sure i recognized it with you far before this game, but if that's too hard for you to comprehend, i understand

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If you’re going to act scummy on purpose and then get mad when scumread it’s pretty hypocritical of you be blaming me for your shit reads.

nah, you're just a baby with pressure

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even though i'm not the only one even calling you out as scum. Nancy's also talked about your bad takes, and you are the largest wagon for a reason.

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and im not even scummy this game, im just a dick

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there's a reason the only people who're voting me dont even think im scum here either

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i personally don't care? that's not the reasoning I'm pushing you, i've stated 8+ reasons, just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't reasons. If you're town, you're biased with it, but you're not a strong enough mafia player to know how to make that work

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In fact, if you know someone acts like a baby with pressure

nah, im just gonna target you more, i like to see you whine

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and this game is gonna let me troll more as town too, which im trying to make my style more go with the flow, all gut, dont give a fuck if i cut my arm bleedin

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sure, idk why you need me to answer if id listen to the case rather than just say it

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surface level isnt inherently bad, but when you let it define your entire game and are pigheaded about it, it's just straight ignorance

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imagine purposefully being a dick in a game and *don't do anything about it*

totally understand things get heated and fallout from that (guilty as charged) but this is just too much FL

on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you think I care?

I'm living in the moment here, im no longer doing cases because people don't listen to them anyways.

SEE Tenet. Day 1, solved 5/6 scum, ignorance in people power faded me.

so im doing a new style where i just do whatever the fuck i want

if i wanna claim 5 times in 1 game, so be it

no longer give any qualms

i will solve every end game I get to, full stop.

barely care about day 1, trap the players I think need to be trapped, and there's really just nothing you can do about it

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yeah, thought you already said the last part

why does this have anything to do with my takes?

seems like anyone would have liked to see that

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i hard disagree there isn't AI stuff from me since the beginning of the game, you guys just double think yourselves with me

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me backing off of zoraster as long as i did, and then hammering even though DEB would have hammered, I really feel just should be so obvious that I'm town here

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idk, there's just so much more I feel like should have been taken advantage of, and Norwegian thinking my push on him is opportunistic is just straight the dumbest thing ive ever heard. It's not even opportunistic, it's literally just right there in front of everyone's face

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i hard disagree there isn't AI stuff from me since the beginning of the game, you guys just double think yourselves with me

we can agree and disagree on that forever, but the truth is that *

to me*

you were not sorteable with the content you produced

then you should learn how to read people better

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there's a reason some people think i'm like the easiest person on site to read (exaggeration, but yeah)

Krazy, A50, RCE, and apparently Pine can spot town me in an instant.

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i play mafia by interacting with people and creating reactions, then i go back later in the game, do wagonomics, and look at the chain of events and actions that conspired

i have already done my wagonomics, and that's how I got to Norwegian in the first place, something they keep actively ignoring

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i hard disagree there isn't AI stuff from me since the beginning of the game, you guys just double think yourselves with me

we can agree and disagree on that forever, but the truth is that *

to me*

you were not sorteable with the content you produced

then you should learn how to read people better

why should i do that, if i can just provoke them and get what i want that way

yeah, and how'd that work out for you, you just came to the conclusion i was town way later than you could have, with much much more effort.

i do shit on my terms.

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Norwegian/TGP/Status could be a team, but Status would have probably shaded me more if that were the case, but he seemed to try to brush Norwegian off the TvT, maybe because he thinks that they would lose, but that's an option I'm looking into right now

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eh, you got me nearly universally town read, so I guess I can't complain too much

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Norwegian/TGP pinged me hard at the beginning of this day phase, and I've never really been able to let go of it.

I think he's just derpscumming me, and purposefully getting me worked up

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Norwegian also looks like he's trying to setup an Akarin-FL misfade chain, so I'm starting to become less sure with Akarin, which makes me less sure with Status.

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Norwegian also looks like he's trying to setup an Akarin-FL misfade chain

i specifically think this happened after Mistyx's post

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so that is another piece of the chain link on top of all the other things I had already stated

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And Ramcius is one of my strongest town reads here, and Pine's a higher up town read too, really just the pocket paranoia for me, like the what if, because everytime I ask why would he defend me like this as scum, i get the answer because I am defending him pretty hard.

but like, i do think he's town? if that makes sense. i should think he's town because if he is scum, he set out to make me town read him, but if Pine was scum, I think the Norwegian wagon would pick up more.

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also, all of Norwegian's push has come across as them trying to convince me that I am scum, which is a borderline scum tell.

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i started to lean town on Norwegian for a bit, but ive kinda settled in, took a breather, and like, I'm just back to scum reading them pretty heavily now

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I’m not changing my vote until either me/FL is flipped or FL admits he is wrong on me.
I’m not going to become the elimination in ElO because of FL’s garbage play.
If FL agrees on voting someone else like Akarin then i’ll consider voting there as well. Otherwise, no.

wrong on my coin flip scum read lol

what a joke

[Flavor Leaf]

nah, it's more than a coin flip, it's like 70/30

[Flavor Leaf]

This game nobody cares about what i say.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think your flip is most important to understanding what is happening this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flip them

[Flavor Leaf]

i'll go back and quote 6+ reasons that I've made towards him this game to prove that comment about nothing except shade and tunnel is shit tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

cuz you're a sensitive baby too

[Flavor Leaf]

hey like for real though, I agree with you on flavor. He's a giant asshole. If I had known flavor was boonskies I would probably have blacklisted them, and this game is another data point suggesting I don't want to play with him ever again, but do you think it would be best for you to just like take a big break of a full day or two just to clear your head? You seem to be stuck on this and maybe a couple of days would let you shake it loose in your head and move forward in the game.

cuz you're a sensitive baby too

[Flavor Leaf]

hey like for real though, I agree with you on flavor. He's a giant asshole. If I had known flavor was boonskies I would probably have blacklisted them, and this game is another data point suggesting I don't want to play with him ever again, but do you think it would be best for you to just like take a big break of a full day or two just to clear your head? You seem to be stuck on this and maybe a couple of days would let you shake it loose in your head and move forward in the game.

cuz you're a sensitive baby too

you can't bait me like you did to ico and norwee.

if you keep responding with bullshit I'll just ignore you.

im sure you will

[Flavor Leaf]

I find the push on Norwee extremely concerning.

And I think you are wrong to think this.

[Flavor Leaf]

The political reads

the overreactions

the poor reasoning to town read TGP

the constant misrep and discredit of why they are being pushed.

Their lack of acknowledgement to multiple team options

they're setting up of misfades.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy, how many times have you seen me be right when nobody else believes it, and you specifically are thinking the incorrect thing.

This is one of those times

[Flavor Leaf]

titus says that Norwee and FL should never be voted unless Akarin flips town

i'm inclined to agree

I'm literally never in a million years making a decision in a mafia game based off of

Titus VCA which in my opinion has never been used to draw correct conclusions in the history of ever

.

I respect Titus's opinion

, but that kind of vagueness is pinging my scumdar hard.

ok

@Pine I don’t see why what Titus said was scummy? I however don’t really see a Norwee/Akarin connection in any case. Him saying no one should listen to the players voting him post-flip pings town to me, even if it is kind’ve excessive.

why dont you see what Titus said was scummy?

Mistyx, if a Norwegian partner, has all the reason in the world to try to have Norwegian/FL tomorrow rather than today, Nancy

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re just a broken record FL. I don’t care for your psywar. Learn how to play mafia like a civilized human being.

this is another discredit attempt to try to push away the reasons being pushed against them.

There are multiple chains of reasons why Norwegian is scum here.

Nancy, you are wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

I town read both Pine and Ramcius, and believe this is an all town wagon on Norwegian.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ico - you started to see why Norwegian could be scum the last time we talked, please, look more into that

[Flavor Leaf]

Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)

~ NorwegianboyEE(80), Nancy Drew 39(110), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(96)

!

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

[Flavor Leaf]

meaning Norwegian, TGP, Status never are all town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian has gone ahead and poorly claimed all the other players as town there.

I agree with Nancy town, Norwegian came into Day 2 with a terrible reasoning to town read TGP, especially after VCA

[Flavor Leaf]

After re-thinking things yesterday with my team i have reasons to believe TGP’s claim is more likely town.
First of all, their play makes more sense as town than scum due to key points from Shirou.
And JJH told me their claim makes sense with their flavour. And setup wise it’s more likely a town claim too.

[Flavor Leaf]

zoraster

(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70),

BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER
Akarin(3) ~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

(26)

BBMolla

(2) ~ TheGoldenParadox(45), Akarin(38)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(20)

zoraster

(4) ~ thestatusquo(171), NorwegianboyEE(132), Mistyx(62),

BBMolla

(73)
Akarin(4) ~ Flavor Leaf(173), Ramcius(53), Iconeum(105), Pine(24)

BBMolla

(3) ~ TheGoldenParadox(43),

zoraster

(25), Akarin(23)
TheGoldenParadox(1) ~ Nancy Drew 39(217)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(18)

Akarin wagon at it's peak.

VOTE: Akarin

This will be more informative.

then Norwegian immediately tries to avoid VCA with the Zoraster wagon and goes straight to Akarin

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

Why TGP?

@Ramcius

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

alright, this is the post that makes me believe the earlier fight between TSQ and Ramcius was TvS. Saying "1 lurker flip is enough" attempts to take attention off of people who should have attention on them, and makes it easy to defend people who aren't particularly defensible. i'm not a fan of it at all, and when i've seen it i think it's done far more often from scum trying to take the heat off of their buddies than town genuinely being against flipping lurkers.

VOTE: akarin couple reasons i'm voting akarin instead of ramcius right now - first, a scum flip from her incriminates ramcius far more than vice versa largely because of this post. second, i haven't seen much in the way of town posts from akarin, and i think ramcius will be sorted by other flips eventually in a way that akarin will not because of lack of interactions.

TGP sheeps Norwegian onto Akarin after Ramcius push's Norwegian, and Norwegian questions it, even though they just did VCA which should make TGP at least suspicious.

Norwegian's read on TGP is 100% fabricated.

Norwegian/TGP is a high scum team equity, but it's not set in stone it's both.

It could be Norwegian town, TGP scum sheeping the person to not get more pressure from Ramcius. I wanna check out Ramcius vs Norwegian in a bit because it happens right after this.

Norwegian also actively avoided multiple situations and team groups where the possibility of Norwegian/Akarin/Flavor Leaf all town, something I thought was a decent possibility if I was wrong with Norwegian and Akarin was lhf misfade. I fully believe Akarin is a lhf misfade and should not be faded today. Norwegian is setting up a situation to ignore getting pressure on themselves while still being able to argue with me. Akarin is the town in my bottom pool, meaning one of the others contain scum. bottom pool contained 1 scum, 2 scum max.

The posts they are making right now should prove to everyone that they are the ones trying to keep this fight going. It lets them hide.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

So I haven't actually read if FL said anything more about it after the last time, but I still don't agree with this.

The end of D1 wagons were so shruggy, I don't see how reading them as planned scum moves is the likely explaination.

My whole reason for not liking the Zor wagon at the end was the 2 town wagons apathy of the gamestate.

How is this something you're

sure

about to this extent, FL?

it's based on your wagon as well.

And I get this all the time, Nancy can confirm she has seen me say this exact thing as town where nobody believes me and I end up being correct and she ended up being 100% wrong. happens more often than you think.


That wagon, if scum wasn't on it, does NOT gain momentum without scum taking action.

I am a premiere scum player, I know the inner workings of how to make a gamestate work completely to my liking, which should be obvious this is not it here, but it allowed me to learn and physically feel where the gamestate was being taken advantage of, and I can visibly show people like I have with VCA. That had a lot of energy the beginning of the Zoraster wagon that does not happen if it was all town.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is interesting. @Akarin, how do you get from pretty much locktowning me to needing to reevaluate?

Because it seemed like Ico was making a good point from something I hadn't taken the time to check and see if it was true. And I like to reevaluate everyone, I don't like locking people in for the whole game based on early stuff.

If it makes you feel better I still have you as pretty much locktown.

I'm townreading Nancy as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Akarin has absolutely no reason to question me here as scum. I am the only one defending her.

[Flavor Leaf]

pine/ramcius are too, but more indirectly

[Flavor Leaf]

How is this something you're sure about to this extent, FL?

like i dont even mean to be cocky with this next statement, i just have the most experience in that regard of being able to see that kind of thing based on my extensive mafia history over the past 7 years. this is extensive online and in person, alongside being borderline neurotically passionate and competitive about everything I do, I feel like it's a skill that's developed over time, but I have rolled scum more than the normal player, and I write how to play as scum guides, which you can check in my sig if you wanna see how I broke down basic scum play, people do that stuff subconsciously on purpose, if that makes sense, and I can physically just start to see the trail of that stuff in the end game.

And I've always been able to solve end games because of looking for that kind of stuff. I will very rarely ever not full solve a game in an end game scenario. I might not be able to convince everyone I'm right, but I will solve the game and try to the best of my ability to convince others, which is sometimes hard for me to explain, so i say a lot of stuff and eventually people start to understand what im saying, which is why i have to repeat stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

That wagon, if scum wasn't on it, does NOT gain momentum without scum taking action.

Do you think scum were more involved in the initial lead up to Zor's claim, or in the actual end of day pushing it through?

well, considering BBmolla flipped town, and I was the hammer, 100% the beginning.

[Flavor Leaf]

i feel scum knew zoraster wagon would go through out of apathy, which also helps me lean town on DEB more because he would have hammered. So I think scum weren't worried about the end of the wagon at all

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah Pine, Norwee Town

So you think it’s TvT then? Can you explain your confidence on town!Pine? Do you have a read on FL yet or no?

I don’t understand why Norwee is the counterwagon to Akarin?

That post was talking to Pine since they had just came at Norwee. I could go either way with Pine honestly.
I think some people just don’t like Norwee, that’s why they’re the counter.

No, he's actually scummy

[Flavor Leaf]

please please please dont go pine.

that's going to make it harder to fade Norwegian

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't know how I feel about FL at this point, he needs sorting and he's tough to sort and I wish I had Krazy in my back pocket

I'm nearly the one single handedly defending your slot. Nancy laid a town read, but yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)

~ NorwegianboyEE(80), Nancy Drew 39(110), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(96)

!

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

Then the only one I’m currently not tr is TGP.

That doesn't mean you're correct

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian knows I've caught him here, and is probably laughing that nobody else wants to believe me

[Flavor Leaf]

scum are playing so careful not to shake the game up to fall onto Norwegian.

It makes sense why I got so worked up, i didn't know why at first, but scum are actively shutting me down

[Flavor Leaf]

eh, i knew that, but i see skies of blue, red robins too, and in hindsight, it looks even more like scum were actively shutting me down

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe I have a really strong case on Norwegian, and absolutely nobody really cares about it, so people wondering why I dont care about posting stuff like that constantly, thats why

[Flavor Leaf]

Pine/Ramcius don't count in the nobody, they have their own reasons for wanting Norwegian, though

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nancy - if you town read me, Ramcius, and Pine, why do you think Norwegian is town?

[Flavor Leaf]

Keep in mind that if i'm flipped today, nobody should ever respect anything Pine/Ramcius/FL has to say for the remainder of the game.
FL's townread on Pine is likely wrong. Pine's read on the gamestate is wrong. Ramcius is wrong and should be ostracized for not even attempting to solve slots.
It's not likely all 3 of them are scum, but don't expect them to have good reads even if town.

@FL

he's just scum discrediting

[Flavor Leaf]

We just came up with an idea we think would help us immensely with solving some of the slots here.
If possible i would like for the following team mates of the following playerlist to take a quick look at this game, or at least in FL vs us:

- Chennis from Mistyx's team (Quick Attack)
- Okapoka from Nancy's team (Suicide Squad)
- Johnny from TGP's team (Mask your Worries)

They may not have the time, i just wanted to ask if it's in the realm of possibility as it would really give some fresh input to the game.

This is what pissed me off from TGP, he refused to ask Johnny for his read on me.

I’ll let him know.

i don't remember this, iirc i asked noraa, told you what she said about her being bad at reading you/

incorrectly townreading you

, then you called me a liar

Something is extremely fishy about this post.

@FL I don’t know what you’re seeing but I think TGP’s ISO looks the worst here.

i called Norwegian/TGP the scum team.

If one of them are town, it's TGP

[Flavor Leaf]

worse ISO does not = more likely to be scum

[Flavor Leaf]

We just came up with an idea we think would help us immensely with solving some of the slots here.
If possible i would like for the following team mates of the following playerlist to take a quick look at this game, or at least in FL vs us:

- Chennis from Mistyx's team (Quick Attack)
- Okapoka from Nancy's team (Suicide Squad)
- Johnny from TGP's team (Mask your Worries)

They may not have the time, i just wanted to ask if it's in the realm of possibility as it would really give some fresh input to the game.

This is what pissed me off from TGP, he refused to ask Johnny for his read on me.

I’ll let him know.

i don't remember this, iirc

i asked noraa, told you what she said about her being bad at reading you/incorrectly townreading you, then you called me a liar

@FL, town!Noraa has never ever played with scum!me, therefore, it isn’t possible for her to have EVER incorrectly tr me.

im not arguing against TGP being scum, but that doesnt mean Norwegian isnt scum, ill probably be okay with a TGP fade, but the fact that I say that makes it a compromise wagon which gives me pause

[Flavor Leaf]

that's a good reason, though, Nancy

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian/TGP/Status still my hero solve

[Flavor Leaf]

probably not right, but if im alive later in the game, it will be good to look back at

[Flavor Leaf]

i think scum are more likely to use their partner's reads and voices than town, tbh. Sure, I think it's good for town to get other people involved, but like, i just dont see scum not doing that ever, so i think thats one of those things people just are generally wrong about sitewide

[Flavor Leaf]

@Shea, I’m not at all suggesting that the recent posts clear her but are enough for me to doubt my sr on her. She is sounding really townie today and I like that better than anything I’ve seen from TGP all game.

His extreme 180s on FL also really bother me as well. One post, FL’s a strong gut tr, the next he’s obvscum and then Johnny who he claimed to have checked with before unvoting me and has never revealed what Johnny’s actual verdict was - said that FL was town and once again - BOOM! yet another flipflop on him.

Town doesn’t usually have that kind of progression on a slot. It’s hard to believe his read on FL is real.

i flip flop as well, so i don't love this, but it's a supplementary case, so it's solid.

I still think Norwegian over TGP here is the correct play.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Akarin is town then it proves both me and FL are most likely in a SvT

What's your reasoning on this, Norwee?

to set us up for a misfade chain, and try to avoid FL vs Norwegian so they dont get faded.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think TGP's actually probably a red herring. I don't like that Norwegian is trying to compromise there, and I will not be joining it with Norwee on it.

[Flavor Leaf]

oh, then i might not hate TGP wagon. I was worrying for nothing

[Flavor Leaf]

I will not be voting in Pine, Nancy, Ramcius, Ico, DEB and I don't really want Akarin. Who's that leave?

Norwegian
Status
TGP

yeah, that means one of my town reads are probably wrong, but i don't 100% know where

[Flavor Leaf]

FL i truly do wish i had a nightkill this game because then i could just get rid of you because i'm sick of your shit. Unfortunately i don't as i'm town alligned and scum will probably kill someone that townreads me and you'll still keep pushing me because it's a very useful distraction for scum to have you harp on me every 5 fucking seconds.

then you're ignorant to think I wouldn't be able to solve the game.

im a flip flopper, for all i know i might see you as obv town tomorrow, and specific misfades, like once when I misfaded Ank, kicked me into gear to solve the game, so i really dont care

if it gives me a chance to stay alive, then fuck yeah, all the better

there are multiple people this game who see you as scummy, and you brush every thing off and shade with it, so you've lost any ounce of credibility you could have in my eyes

[Flavor Leaf]

I also tunneled Alisae in Ilicit Substances to a misfade, only to catch 2 scum in a row the corresponding days

[Flavor Leaf]

I also tunneled Alisae in Ilicit Substances to a misfade, only to catch 2 scum in a row the corresponding days

Ok, congratulations? Do you want a celebratory high five?

in the form of a Norwegian fade, yes

[Flavor Leaf]

also Norwegian just contradicted themselves with the "his fade will discredit the reads on the wagon" when I specifically get better reads after a misfade, and he acknowledged it just there

[Flavor Leaf]

@nancy - you think that Pine, Myself, Ramcius, and Norwegian are all town?

[Flavor Leaf]

If Akarin is town then it proves both me and FL are most likely in a SvT

What's your reasoning on this, Norwee?

Noting Norwegian's ignoring of this post while choosing to shade instead

[Flavor Leaf]

also Norwegian just contradicted themselves with the "his fade will discredit the reads on the wagon" when I specifically get better reads after a misfade, and he acknowledged it just there

I'm not familiar with your play or history outside of some limited examples, so to say i contradict myself here is silly. I never signed up to the FL fan club. And for a very good reason.

nah, you just acknowledged it.

done.

it's over.

i have the high ground.

[Flavor Leaf]

also Norwegian just contradicted themselves with the "his fade will discredit the reads on the wagon" when I specifically get better reads after a misfade, and he acknowledged it just there

I'm not familiar with your play or history outside of some limited examples, so to say i contradict myself here is silly. I never signed up to the FL fan club. And for a very good reason.

i was also trolling

[Flavor Leaf]

a bumbling idiot is still a correct clock two or three times a day

[Flavor Leaf]

bruh i got nothing to prove

[Flavor Leaf]

I will not be voting in Pine, Nancy, Ramcius, Ico, DEB and I don't really want Akarin. Who's that leave?

Norwegian
Status
TGP

yeah, that means one of my town reads are probably wrong, but i don't 100% know where

Mistyx?

damn, yeah, i forgot mistyx.

I actually forgot about TGP as well, but caught it right before I posted. I felt like I was missing someone

[Flavor Leaf]

he didn't explain it, I called him out on it, and he shaded it, which lead to my "Norwegian is actively ignoring multiple possible scenarios for scum teams" reason

[Flavor Leaf]

bruh i got nothing to prove

You've got something to prove.
You want to prove that you can get an elimination through no matter how much evidence there is that you are wrong, simply to prove you can. To show you are the boss. That you've still got it. That nobody in the game can oppose your final unchangeable decision.
I have no doubts in my mind that if you got my elimination through you would brag about it and shrug off the flip while simply arguing that it shows how good you are at the game to make it happen.

Nah, I'd rather just find scum, and you are the best fade for that happening. If you're town, then yeah, I'm a bumbling idiot, but im still a bumbling idiot who explained the reasonings for it, and will use the reasons for the reason I got those reasonings to reason who the scum team is

[Flavor Leaf]

To show you are the boss.

I am the Boss; this is not something I need to prove

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no doubts in my mind that if you got my elimination through you would brag about it and shrug off the flip while simply arguing that it shows how good you are at the game to make it happen.

I 100% doubt you'd ever be able to find a single time where I ever bragged about misfading someone.