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[Gypyx]

Helmo

am tired so will read tommorow but this sounds very interesting and Jacob is probably town or the boldest scum i've ever seen

[Gypyx]

Jacob is probably town or the boldest scum i've ever seen
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i am also leaning jacob town now but probably not for the same reasons

tbh i've read like 10 posts so that's that

[Gypyx]

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Luca will vote surely.

Would like to see ketchup get on board

this one right here officer dannflor

[Gypyx]

Helmo

am tired so will read tommorow but this sounds very interesting and Jacob is probably town or the boldest scum i've ever seen

Welcome!

I'm happy we finally get to play together

can't wait for the worst mafia player to meet the best mafia player

this is gonna be great

[Gypyx]

Luca will vote surely.

Would like to see ketchup get on board

this one right here officer dannflor

i don't really get it

i think saying that while you sit at 5 votes kinda shows the lack of awareness i'd expect from a townie?

[Gypyx]

Luca will vote surely.

Would like to see ketchup get on board

this one right here officer dannflor

i don't really get it

i think saying that while you sit at 5 votes kinda shows the lack of awareness i'd expect from a townie?

i think when you have two other players both loudly saying they want two more votes on me to eliminate me it becomes less impressive but i understand where you are coming from without that context

oh ok

yeah i probably should hold off on discussing game stuff for now

hope you're having a great day apart from the getting wagonned in forum mafia stuff

[Gypyx]

Helmo

am tired so will read tommorow but this sounds very interesting and Jacob is probably town or the boldest scum i've ever seen

Welcome!

I'm happy we finally get to play together

can't wait for the worst mafia player to meet the best mafia player

this is gonna be great

ayo no I'm taking the worst mafia player title meaning that it already happened

i'm challenging your title then, like they do in wrestling, that's how it goes right? i don't watch wrestling

[Gypyx]

Helmo

am tired so will read tommorow but this sounds very interesting and Jacob is probably town or the boldest scum i've ever seen

Welcome!

I'm happy we finally get to play together

can't wait for the worst mafia player to meet the best mafia player

this is gonna be great

I'm probably not even in the top 50 best players on this site. But at least you get to meet Dannflor. He has an actual case for #1

implying there are more than 50 active players on this godforsaken site

i think i've met dann before? Maybe? idk i don't recall, with how this is going it sounds like it won't last long tho, is he that egregiously scummy?

[Gypyx]

Sorry to be so late to the party but today was a very bad day, currently in the process of doing a self-care and i swear i'll be here by tommorow

[Gypyx]

Ketchup is precious and needs to be cherished at any cost

[Gypyx]

unless ketchup is scum in which case he is evil

If ketcup is scum then i'm sorry but we're the evil ones for standing in his way and should immediatly concede the game to mafia (i also think his posts radiate newbtown energy)

anyways in the process of rereading, and i'm kinda reconsidering my TR of jacob, bugs looking really scummy too as multiple people have stated but i'm still in the middle of things

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

Entertaining thoughts of a Dann / Black scumteam tbh

[Gypyx]

it's like two little court jesters doing a dance of looking like they don't know each other while being best friends

[Gypyx]

Entertaining thoughts of a Dann / Black scumteam tbh

Been there, done that.

I do get the impression Black is most likely Town now. Please focus your attention on Dann/OutWorld and tell me what you think.

you can't tell me what to do

kinda wanna murder Dann right now

i'm also not at the part where OWER is posting yet so i'll tell you if anything comes up at that point

[Gypyx]

i guess OWER has a bit of the "i need to talk like a townie would" energy but that's certainely no D1 worthy stuff

the drew vote is also very bad and i see it as Dann looking for a way to confibias himself into creating a wagon on drew?

VOTE: Dannflor

[Gypyx]

Dann how caught up are you and what do you think of bugs wagon/Luca's case

i'm not clear what exactly you are asking me for here OWER

simply put i think luca is probably a townie tunneled on another townie and as such im looking for scum assuming that game state

my instinct would be that there was a maximum of one scum on my wagon when i replaced

so convinient how this excludes Black and no one else btw

[Gypyx]

Luca how would you differenciate a townie who's just wrong from scum trying to divert?

[Gypyx]

i guess OWER has a bit of the "i need to talk like a townie would" energy but that's certainely no D1 worthy stuff

the drew vote is also very bad and i see it as Dann looking for a way to confibias himself into creating a wagon on drew?

VOTE: Dannflor

why is the drew vote very bad

Because of the afforementionned reasons and cause you yourself admitted that it had pretty bad reasoning behind it

[Gypyx]

why was it bad reasoning? I never said it had pretty bad reasoning I said I exaggerated the weight of it

your stances feel very convenient here like you're just parroting the positions you should be taking

i think you're misundersteanding me, i'm questionning the motivation and how much it actually means, it makes it bad reasoning but i haven't really thought about it from a "does it make sense" angle

you exagerrating your push also comes from a "oh wow i need to survive NOW" which i feel like would be more easily the mindest you'd have as scum

also yeah i mean idk, i'm saying what makes sense to me, do you think i'm not spicy enough ? Should i go and push Luca to death to prove how much of a towny town with an organic and original thoughtprocess i have?

[Gypyx]

where did your read on jacob end up, gypyx?

Jacob sounds very concerned with keeping the thread organized and keeping up good appearances and not actually too much interested in the process of figuring everyone's alignement, i would be interested in prodding him more intensely but now's not the time

[Gypyx]

idk Gypyx maybe I'm having a bad reaction because your conclusions are so stinky

but your catchup leaves a lot to be desired in terms of actually engaging with any part of the game in more than what appears to be a surface level

Yeah i know i'm bad and wrong on everything and stuff

Otherwise i mean, that's how a catchup goes right? i don't wanna get involved into a discussion i'm late to and don't have full info on, do you think that's scummy?

[Gypyx]

where did your read on jacob end up, gypyx?

Jacob sounds very concerned with keeping the thread organized and keeping up good appearances and not actually too much interested in the process of figuring everyone's alignement, i would be interested in prodding him more intensely but now's not the time

I guess I find it weird that you can scum read me so strongly but not town read jacob

Tbf i might be somewhat confbiasing on you but Jacob just didn't do anything towny so i'm curious as to what's confusing you

pedit : sorry, will walk away from the thread for a bit

[Gypyx]

think we're both being meaner than what we're wanting to

I mean, yeah i could probably make a grand list of associatives around your slot based on what i'm thinking about you but then if i'm wrong it all collapses and it's as if we limmed a random lurker slot

besides i don't have the self confidence to act sure about this to others rn

[Gypyx]

yay <3

promised i will reread your slot after chilling a bit about things

[Gypyx]

ok! i have reads! but a few are still undercooked! from here out i only serve timely, game-driving, fully prepared meals

waiter ! a Psychreads tartare please

this is merely out of curiosity and also kinda so that everyone's thoughprocess is kept in check

[Gypyx]

o-o-o-omg did iavh just scumslip

[Gypyx]

pedit is when you make a normal post (as opposed to a quick reply) and you can see any new replies that popped up while you were writing the post in question when submitting

[Gypyx]

anyways what's so cool about the projectry wagon? What sins does he need to repent for

[Gypyx]

A little bit of time I have.

But, I am actually starting to lean Ketchup more scum than Dann.....but first instinct is usually correct for me.

But, Ketchup just has the vibes man.

Are these two mutually exclusive scumreads?

[Gypyx]

A little bit of time I have.

But, I am actually starting to lean Ketchup more scum than Dann.....but first instinct is usually correct for me.

But, Ketchup just has the vibes man.

Are these two mutually exclusive scumreads?

More than likely imo

Kinda thought they could be buddies, but I don't think Dann reached out to his buddy like he did with Ketchup.

Plus, Ketchup backing off me for......reasons??

Seems like they were just hoping for any mislim to go through.

i mean, i see what you're saying but i think that's just a consequence of his voting lacking conviction to start with, i kinda see what you mean with the buddy talk though, that sounds fair

[Gypyx]

happy cake day black !

and well, i guess i agree project is more on the scummy side of things, but he's also not here so it's hard to feel enthusiasm for voting him

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

I guess same question to you Gypyx.

I feel like nobody has actually given a justified reason for the wagon on me. Ketchup’s was voting me largely because I voted him. Then Dann and Black were voting, I believe, because I hadn’t posted enough. I appreciate the scum lurking in the shadows aspect, but that is weak. It’s early days and I’m just preoccupied with IRL things (although I appreciate the wagon was formed before I mentioned this).

I’m curious as to motives of those that jumped on my wagon for what I believe to be weak reasons.

i think you're tonally scummy, i can elaborate if you need to but basically i just don't think you are actually unaware of everyone alignement / not a fan of your tone

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

don't make me regret this danny boy

[Gypyx]

would you vote drew?

i don't hate the projectry vote but drew is noticeably more present here and thus i think more pressure there would be useful at the moment

this and before this it feels like you kept trying to redirect to drew. but that doesn't prove your alignment one way or the other aaahhh

Personally think it kinda looks bad with his level of confidence on Drew but i agree that project is a pretty bad wagon to do right now, maybe EoD we could pivot but that's it

[Gypyx]

you have exactly 15 minutes to give out your thoughts before we throw you in a pit of acid

[Gypyx]

You got a lot of scumreads delta

[Gypyx]

ok that's fair we're just not viewing things the same way ig

(also wtf are you just spam refreshing the thread?)

[Gypyx]

i think it's Luca / Hu Tao / Black

no cares and this just serves to get street cred points post game as a "aha i knew it"

[Gypyx]

i think it's Luca / Hu Tao / Black

no cares and this just serves to get street cred points post game as a "aha i knew it"

i aggressively dislike this post but I'm not sure if it's scummy or just a playstyle difference

Is it just a tone thing or what's the idea here

i should note that i'm in the middle of a depression outburst so that's probably not my usual me here

[Gypyx]

im kinda feeling a gypyx vote here but i'm also at the point where I don't think my vote has any real sway

Go on vote me, i'm sure you can do it, you're a champ, pretty sure you found scum even

besides trying something is usually better than not trying something but that's pretty advanced stuff

[Gypyx]

i think it's Luca / Hu Tao / Black

no cares and this just serves to get street cred points post game as a "aha i knew it"

Girl please

i'm just that good at not catching scum what can i say

[Gypyx]

i think it's Luca / Hu Tao / Black

no cares and this just serves to get street cred points post game as a "aha i knew it"

i aggressively dislike this post but I'm not sure if it's scummy or just a playstyle difference

Is it just a tone thing or what's the idea here

i should note that i'm in the middle of a depression outburst so that's probably not my usual me here

it is mostly tonal. i do disagree with like the general idea you've presented (i think presenting solves can be a good barometer of where someone stands in the game and how they're thinking about it) but mainly like the snark felt discrediting of Luca, like you were annoyed with him for no reason in particular

if it's IRL-related though i guess that just explains it then

Yeah ok maybe i wasn't being very charitable there, i'll try to keep myself contained from doing more snark

pedit : Wall of text jumpscare

[Gypyx]

it really feels like Dann is fishing around for scumreads that stick with other players

i don't know if that's cause he's town or cause he's scum, would lean more towards scum naturally but confidence isn't my strongest suit right now

the delta case is also pretty compelling fwiw

[Gypyx]

it really feels like Dann is fishing around for scumreads that stick with other players

im not sure why that is your vibe when I've pushed a total of like 2 scum reads this game

mostly about how your pushes have been very wishy washy, not how many you've done

[Gypyx]

it really feels like Dann is fishing around for scumreads that stick with other players

Yes he is.

the delta case is also pretty compelling fwiw

Which part, the part where he's wrong and fishing for alternative wagons?

You're going right for his troat huh

[Gypyx]

I think deltawave is trying to win the argument not figure out people's alignments

ditto

[Gypyx]

idk, gonna let y'all figure this out, not my problem

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[Gypyx]

ok tinfoil hat theory

Delta is Dann's scumbuddy and she's purposefully being obnoxious to spread out the wagons

[Gypyx]

Scum PT in shambles right now, scrambling to fight off expert investigator Gypyx

[Gypyx]

"Mafia is multitasking by default."

What does this mean?

Also hi

interesting, I was doing some more reading of other games for fun to try to alleviate the dann scum decision and came across this from mini normal 2324. similarly to bugs, delta started with a question about multitasking in this game and did indeed turn out to be mafia.

why haven't you pointed this out delta?

our game started on the 23rd, and DeltaWave was voted out of 2324 on the 22nd. Although I haven't read enough of the game to know how much suspicion was placed on the above post, it feels as if this somewhat rules out a Delta/Bugs partnership. Unless Bugs were the type to brazenly come into this thread without any discussion in the scum PT, if bugs had posted their potential opening there I feel Delta would've shot it down. But I am also confused because wouldn't this have been a good point against Bugs?

well we have a site wide rule of discussing ongoing games outside of the game thread but given it ended like 2 hours ago it's good now

besides it's a good point

[Gypyx]

not discussing*

[Gypyx]

which now makes me wonder if perhaps the reason you recognized that replacement and not mine is because you are partnered with gypyx

ugh no i'm not taking her, she's YOUR partner

*Throws back the penguin at you*

/sarcastic

[Gypyx]

Or will this be a battle of hastings situation where you pull some awesome move and then backstab us? Who knows? One of OutWorldEr, Black, iavh, Project, Psyche or Gypyx.

grabs popcorn

VOTE: Dannflor

is...

is this your way of saying where you think the potential scums are?

otherwise if by the "!" notation you mean like scum!*insert player name* or town!*insert player name* i am not sure that's the actual use but personally i use it as shorthand for "if he was that alignement"

[Gypyx]

gotta admit i really have no clue where to stand regarding Dann

yeah i dislike his stuff but would i go to hammering him? that feels mean, i don't like to be mean

[Gypyx]

Dann would you forgive me if i mishammered you

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Dannflor

sunk cost fallacy or something

[Gypyx]

I think we need to scrutinize delta tommorow regardless of Dann's flip (yeah like i'm getting NK'd i know)

[Gypyx]

DANGIT I TAKE THE BLAME FOR THIS

If this is indeed town don't worry too much, everyone here has limmed the wrong person once at least

[Gypyx]

not me i never lim incorrectly

True for this game at least

[Gypyx]

Dann might still be scum here. His ghost has lied before

Yeah i'm staying optimistic

[Gypyx]

avert your precious eyes from the flip ketchup, you must keep hope intact

[Gypyx]

honestly i think there only being 1 big wagon kinda helps analysis? Makes things less muddy, you're either on or off wagon, and i guess people have done a lot of bouncing around

[Gypyx]

that's fair but we can't exactly make them post magically now can we? although it really bums me out how much of a nothing burger we got from some slots

[Gypyx]

iamveryhappy has died! They were a

Vanilla Townie.

DeltaWave has died! She was a

Vanilla Townie.

Day Two begins now.

holy crap
I did not see either of these coming

I thought the dead would be one of me, black, hu tao or luca.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is the only way for a second person to die a vigilante?

yes

[Gypyx]

at least in simple normals

[Gypyx]

i think iavh was scum trying to aim at a PR

[Gypyx]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

[Gypyx]

By the way, maybe someone more experienced than me can say if my hypothesis is bad, but the people online at the time when night 1 ended were me, Drew, Gypyx and Project. I imagine there's a bit more incentive to be online for town as we are desperately curious to find out who died? I know I was

I was also waiting to find out, but I’d imagine there is not too much to read into. That just says we didn’t have anything better to do with our lives tonight .

But I appreciate the dedication of you monitoring that. Makes me look more favourably of you.

hahaha true
i should be doing english homework but this counts right? using vocab to form arguments...

Playing mafia will forever change your vocabulary but also make you really good at english so like, take your pick

[Gypyx]

who here is spicy enough to try and fuck with all the town by making such a nonsense kill

[Gypyx]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

Or it comes from a veteran trying to find a way to frame all the newbs

found the spicy scum

VOTE: Black

[Gypyx]

who here is spicy enough to try and fuck with all the town by making such a nonsense kill

VOTE: Gypyx

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[Gypyx]

who here is spicy enough to try and fuck with all the town by making such a nonsense kill

VOTE: Gypyx

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[Gypyx]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

Or it comes from a veteran trying to find a way to frame all the newbs

I literally hinted at my role in a not so subtle way, so I doubt it

tbh unless you think the team is litterally Ketchup / Project / Jacob there is at least one person in the scumteam who's aware of how to go around things

[Gypyx]

Drew you're conftown right? Can't check the wiki pages atm

Scum vigilante isn't a thing in simples

[Gypyx]

who here is spicy enough to try and fuck with all the town by making such a nonsense kill

this sounds like you are proud of yourself maybe lol
imaginging you deviously rubbing your hands rn

i'm in awe and very much want to put them in an IRM machine and study their brain

[Gypyx]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

Or it comes from a veteran trying to find a way to frame all the newbs

I literally hinted at my role in a not so subtle way, so I doubt it

tbh unless you think the team is litterally Ketchup / Project / Jacob there is at least one person in the scumteam who's aware of how to go around things

Why can't it be that?

Tbf though, I am shit at PR hunting as scum.....so I could just be overthinking that a bit.

I mean, yeah, it ~could~ be that i guess, although i am deep under ketchup's charms and wouldn't dare lay a finger on him

PR hunting is also easier when you know what you're looking for, could you perhaps point out your soft so i can get an opinion on that?

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: project quotes

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

Or it comes from a veteran trying to find a way to frame all the newbs

I literally hinted at my role in a not so subtle way, so I doubt it

tbh unless you think the team is litterally Ketchup / Project / Jacob there is at least one person in the scumteam who's aware of how to go around things

Why can't it be that?

Tbf though, I am shit at PR hunting as scum.....so I could just be overthinking that a bit.

That would be a hell of a newbie scum team!

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy, Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

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I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

We aren't looking for teams at the moment. We just need to find one scum to get things in the right direction. There is not a reason to look for more than 1 currently.

I just meant it more from the point of view, let’s not narrow down our pool to thinking one scum on the wagon, when it’s likely multiple.

Kinda wanna throw project into the sun not gonna lie, although i'm purely going off of tone and what i feel is not a very solving oriented thoughtprocess

but alas, Black scumclaimed and as such i might fight her to the death

[Gypyx]

ok pipe dream scumteam : Black / Project / Psyche who are trying to push us towards killing on the wagon

[Gypyx]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

Or it comes from a veteran trying to find a way to frame all the newbs

who here is spicy enough to try and fuck with all the town by making such a nonsense kill

VOTE: Gypyx

Wrap it up bois and girls, we gottem

Think this only comes from scum

her refusal to interact with my death threats also reeks of

FEAR

and

TERROR

[Gypyx]

Is Drew being serious about his role? If so, what’s the rational for revealing now?

Putting him out of the potential scum pool and also revealing to us that the kill was Delta

[Gypyx]

ok pipe dream scumteam : Black / Project / Psyche who are trying to push us towards killing on the wagon

where do you think the scum were in relation to the dann wagon then?

i think dann's wagon going through with no real counterwagon is probably indicative of at least 1 or 2 being on his elim

dann's wagon going through is indicative of it being town and no one else really being accused, maybe scum hopped on, maybe not, like the fact is that pretty much everyone actively playing was on it, apart from like, you, which i guess could prompt us towards looking for scum in those hiding in those low post counts

one could even say that the short lived project wagon could be indicative of his evil intents

[Gypyx]

it kind of seems like you want to hurry up and kill me before i become a threat, black

Looking back this stands out to me.

oooooo, did i get the two of you to start bussing each other, just like that?

[Gypyx]

Is Drew being serious about his role? If so, what’s the rational for revealing now?

Putting him out of the potential scum pool and also revealing to us that the kill was Delta

But wasn’t the reveal a bit premature?

maybe? but like, it happened, that's it

[Gypyx]

ok pipe dream scumteam : Black / Project / Psyche who are trying to push us towards killing on the wagon

where do you think the scum were in relation to the dann wagon then?

i think dann's wagon going through with no real counterwagon is probably indicative of at least 1 or 2 being on his elim

dann's wagon going through is indicative of it being town and no one else really being accused, maybe scum hopped on, maybe not,

like the fact is that pretty much everyone actively playing was on it, apart from like, you

, which i guess could prompt us towards looking for scum in those hiding in those low post counts

one could even say that the short lived project wagon could be indicative of his evil intents

i'm not sure i'm liking the dismissive-ness here, especially since the bolded actively supports what I was saying

I mean, i think you misunderstood me

if town is pushing town

and that no real other wagons are emerging

is scum even encouraged to go out there and show themselves?

otherwise for the dismissiveness maybe i'm getting a ltitle bit excited, ok that's fair

[Gypyx]

Is Drew being serious about his role? If so, what’s the rational for revealing now?

Putting him out of the potential scum pool and also revealing to us that the kill was Delta

But wasn’t the reveal a bit premature?

maybe? but like, it happened, that's it

No need to shut it down. I’m just trying to understanding the situation.

that's kinda my way of saying that i don't really have an opinion on it to be fair, i do think this is a better reveal than average though since it reveals us additional info

[Gypyx]

it kind of seems like you want to hurry up and kill me before i become a threat, black

Looking back this stands out to me.

oooooo, did i get the two of you to start bussing each other, just like that?

No you didnt. We have to be partners to buss each other.

You wouldn't lie to me like that project would you

[Gypyx]

it kind of seems like you want to hurry up and kill me before i become a threat, black

Looking back this stands out to me.

oooooo, did i get the two of you to start bussing each other, just like that?

No you didnt. We have to be partners to buss each other.

well, i mean, one last thing before i go to bed, but that's some really strange wording i'm getting from you here, your concern isn't you being accused of being scum, or even me making a pretty outlandish accusation based on pretty much nothing (for now), it's the fact that i'm calling you two partners, in fact, what you're saying would still be if you were indeed scum

i think you hold guilt in your heart project, a townie would be more affirmative about their innocence

[Gypyx]

pre orders for the black or project wagons are offered, towncred for everyone who gets in

[Gypyx]

it kind of seems like you want to hurry up and kill me before i become a threat, black

Looking back this stands out to me.

oooooo, did i get the two of you to start bussing each other, just like that?

No you didnt. We have to be partners to buss each other.

well, i mean, one last thing before i go to bed, but that's some really strange wording i'm getting from you here, your concern isn't you being accused of being scum, or even me making a pretty outlandish accusation based on pretty much nothing (for now), it's the fact that i'm calling you two partners, in fact, what you're saying would still be true if you were indeed scum

i think you hold guilt in your heart project, a townie would be more affirmative about their innocence

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[Gypyx]

That was supposed to come with a

UNVOTE: ProjectRy

EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE

[Gypyx]

Kinda would prefer to be looking at black today i guess but i could indulge in settling on project if that's a vote people feel more comfortable around

[Gypyx]

it kind of seems like you want to hurry up and kill me before i become a threat, black

Looking back this stands out to me.

oooooo, did i get the two of you to start bussing each other, just like that?

No you didnt. We have to be partners to buss each other.

well, i mean, one last thing before i go to bed, but that's some really strange wording i'm getting from you here, your concern isn't you being accused of being scum, or even me making a pretty outlandish accusation based on pretty much nothing (for now), it's the fact that i'm calling you two partners, in fact, what you're saying would still be if you were indeed scum

i think you hold guilt in your heart project, a townie would be more affirmative about their innocence

I didn’t need to be affirmative, because I never took your original comment to be overly serious.

Exactly my point, you're not taking it too seriously therefore : you put less effort into crafting your post, you're admitting that these are the thoughts that naturally come to you, and they're the bare minimum of "i need to not have a breakdown and claim i'm scum"

[Gypyx]

Kinda would prefer to be looking at black today i guess but i could indulge in settling on project if that's a vote people feel more comfortable around

The last thing we need right now is a comfortable consensus vote, when scum hold a large percentage of the votes.

We still need to be able to actually *push* through the vote silly !

[Gypyx]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

scum is probably more newb than veterans then cause i think this kill comes from a lack of confidence they'd be able to spin delta as town after that

Or it comes from a veteran trying to find a way to frame all the newbs

who here is spicy enough to try and fuck with all the town by making such a nonsense kill

VOTE: Gypyx

Wrap it up bois and girls, we gottem

Think this only comes from scum

her refusal to interact with my death threats also reeks of

FEAR

and

TERROR

In case I wasn't clear I was suspecting you of wanting to frame all the noobs. It seems weird to assume all 3 scum are part of the inexperienced crowd based on DeltaWave dying. It feels like you think you can win as scum if you just misfade a bunch of new players and you're using your own NK as an excuse to be suspicious of them

and where's the PUSH where's the CONFIDENCE have you CAUGHT SCUM IN THE ACT or are you just HOPING I COLLAPSE ON MY OWN

i was also discrediting the "all scums are new players" theory so idk where's that coming out for you

[Gypyx]

actually final thing before bed let's have an ISO count (accurate for the first 928 posts):

me: 113
Black : 100
Luca: 99
Gypyx: 92 (replaced in, first post was #294)
Drew: 51
Psyche: 48
OutWorldEr: 47
Hu Tao: 33
Jacob : 33
Project: 31

obviously looking at Delta and iavh, low posting is not necessarily mafia. but just gonna put this out there for future reference. (I swear I'm not trying to make myself look good I am aware I post too much please focus on the data as a whole and contemplate)

I appreciate I’ve been accused of it myself, but for Gypyx being the 4th highest poster, a significant amount of her day-1 content was filler.

I think her day-1 stands in contrast to her day-2 opening. We’ve just lost three townies and it feels like she’s pushing hard to keep the momentum going. Although I’m conscious I could be mis-interpreting this because I’m on the end of it.

But I also don’t like her 583, walking away from the argument with Dann. Could read like she feels she’s overstepping and drawing too much attention so backs down.

VOTE: Gypyx

Going to place my vote here for now. I’ll pick back up tomorrow and review further.

Badbadbadbadbadbad post

i'm pushing hard to seize momentum from scum, we need to set a tempo, and just floating around some reads isn't gonna help, like it didn't help us get anything from day 1

in fact, it is you who is strangely comfortable with the idea of letting town get quietly rolled

as for the post you pointed out, my "walking away from the argument with Dann" was realizing Dann kinda wasn't really liking interacting with me and while i *can* get pretty energic and agressive, i don't wanna be annoying or a bad person basically

[Gypyx]

Spoiler:

I'm just gonna vomit forth my thoughts because I feel a bit sick whenever I look at this game anyway.

Hu Tao - lean town, I guess. Kind of a shitty town read because it's based on the idea that I think Hu Tao would be trying to play better / appear as if they were playing better as scum. Like, as it is, their D1 play consists of tunneling a town slot and not in a way that makes them optically look good like Luca Blight. I just think there might be more preparation and awareness on scum!HuTao's part about how they will look after I flip. I guess she could be scum but I don't really feel it.

Gypyx - also feel town? idk I think the way they immediately had a thought about Jacob on replacing in was towny. I think their kinda wibbly wobbly progression on me has been towny? I just town read their tone a lot I think.

ProjEctRy - I liked Psyche's read here. I think Projectry believes in his Ketchup push. I think the indignation about people's scum reads on him is towny. I think there is an empathy in his posts towards Ketchup that I wouldn't expect from a scum pushing a townie. I think 650 speaks to someone trying to sort the alignments of people pushing him.

Dannflor - a shining radiant beacon of towniness. pure of soul and pure of heart.

Luca Blight - I admit I have had doubts here. Especially when I spied that Luca Blight has last played mafia years ago and he is still projecting so much confidence on the bugspray read. but gun to head I still think this slot is town and I won't elaborate because that's fairly consensus. (btw it is fairly consensus because Luca Blight is useful to scum and they want to keep him going)

Jacob24 - I think Jacob's outrage in 283 rings true. I guess i found their outrage in the beginning about mindless reads to ring true. This is one of my weakest town reads tbh.

iamveryhappy - could be scum. I expect like an ounce of game advancing content from iavh at this point if they are town but i haven't seen that. they made one post about how im prob scum without really any context.

ketchup777 - I think he's just town. I understand the scum reads and I think the way ketchup phrases a lot of his posts is somewhat performative and surface level scummy. idk I don't think ketchup goes back and forth on my slot in the way that he did if he's scum. I think he fully commits to like hard defending me or not, not the sort of half-assed defense he did.

Psyche - similar read as above, but I think psyche picks a lane when it comes to my slot. They've gone from wanting to white knight to being possibly ambivalent. I think generally there is a depth of thought here that comes from town. I think they've gone against the grain but not in a way that really makes them optically look good.

DeltaWave - i think this is scum. I think the fact that Delta realized ketchup was a newbie in 505 but didn't unvote until 664 is emblematic of someone who isn't really fluidly thinking about the game. I think the line to ketchup about "needing to quit this line of argument" is reminiscent of scum only finding validity in arguments that are "factually correct," it's not really interested in ketchup's alignment.

To be honest, I think DeltaWave reading 228 straight and calling it "so, so, so bad" is a scum tell. I think scum are more likely to take non-serious posts seriously for the most part and again, the defense of Drew seems more based in "this argument is factually inconsistent" not "this argument is scum motivated." I also think the town read on Luca is exactly the position scum would be taking up right now. There's too many scum reads and not in a towny way.

Black - gun to head town. Unfortunately, I don't have as much confidence on this read (or many of my reads) as I am used to. I blame the position I've been forced into in this game. Overall, I think the way Black has treated my slot leans town. I think her shift from wanting to resolve my slot to giving me some time was natural. I think she believes in her push on Projectry. again, I've historically managed to get very confident reads on black but wasn't in a position to do that this game. still would say town if I had to choose.

Doctor Drew - still kinda think this is scum. I think DeltaWave is scummier at the moment but Drew is a good pick for partner and I still don't really have anything to town read from Drew's slot. Drew continually shading ketchup as I get run up is not really a good look, I feel like he's setting up for me to claim PR or something and wants a backup option. there hasn't really been an evaluation of who might be scum pending my scum flip, which drew seems to feel pretty strongly about. Luca meanwhile is trying different solves based on my flip, but Drew seems content just to OMGUS and leave it at that. maybe my expectations are too high but I expect more from town!drew here.

OutWorldER - never kill this, probably my most confident town read. i think there is a night and day difference between OWER's scum and town game and i think this is his town game. i think he really believes in his ketchup push. etc, etc,

*****

so like, if I run with all my reads then my solve ends up being Delta Wave/Doctor Drew/iamveryhappy

That's not really the most satisfying solve to me. It feels like 3 kinda LHF, but that's honestly where I'm at and I don't think I'm gonna really be able to evolve beyond that given my position here.

Currently, I feel strongest about Delta Wave as far as scum reads go.

I feel strongest about OWER as far as town reads go. If I were to ask that any of my reads are to be sheeped, those are the two I would ask to be sheeped if I die.

I know it's easy to say in hindsight, but this was actually a really Townie post, but unfortunately I was asleep at the time and the hammer happened before I had the chance to wake. I like to think I might have at least had pause for thought based on this, but unfortunately we'll never know.

And why exactly are you telling the thread about it? Especially after you've already started the day phase and started doing other stuff

[Gypyx]

Ketchup's play is looking bad but i'm willing to let it slide cause of their tone for no

Hu Tao, you and me, let's kill the scumteam

[Gypyx]

for now*

[Gypyx]

Spoiler:

I'm just gonna vomit forth my thoughts because I feel a bit sick whenever I look at this game anyway.

Hu Tao - lean town, I guess. Kind of a shitty town read because it's based on the idea that I think Hu Tao would be trying to play better / appear as if they were playing better as scum. Like, as it is, their D1 play consists of tunneling a town slot and not in a way that makes them optically look good like Luca Blight. I just think there might be more preparation and awareness on scum!HuTao's part about how they will look after I flip. I guess she could be scum but I don't really feel it.

Gypyx - also feel town? idk I think the way they immediately had a thought about Jacob on replacing in was towny. I think their kinda wibbly wobbly progression on me has been towny? I just town read their tone a lot I think.

ProjEctRy - I liked Psyche's read here. I think Projectry believes in his Ketchup push. I think the indignation about people's scum reads on him is towny. I think there is an empathy in his posts towards Ketchup that I wouldn't expect from a scum pushing a townie. I think 650 speaks to someone trying to sort the alignments of people pushing him.

Dannflor - a shining radiant beacon of towniness. pure of soul and pure of heart.

Luca Blight - I admit I have had doubts here. Especially when I spied that Luca Blight has last played mafia years ago and he is still projecting so much confidence on the bugspray read. but gun to head I still think this slot is town and I won't elaborate because that's fairly consensus. (btw it is fairly consensus because Luca Blight is useful to scum and they want to keep him going)

Jacob24 - I think Jacob's outrage in 283 rings true. I guess i found their outrage in the beginning about mindless reads to ring true. This is one of my weakest town reads tbh.

iamveryhappy - could be scum. I expect like an ounce of game advancing content from iavh at this point if they are town but i haven't seen that. they made one post about how im prob scum without really any context.

ketchup777 - I think he's just town. I understand the scum reads and I think the way ketchup phrases a lot of his posts is somewhat performative and surface level scummy. idk I don't think ketchup goes back and forth on my slot in the way that he did if he's scum. I think he fully commits to like hard defending me or not, not the sort of half-assed defense he did.

Psyche - similar read as above, but I think psyche picks a lane when it comes to my slot. They've gone from wanting to white knight to being possibly ambivalent. I think generally there is a depth of thought here that comes from town. I think they've gone against the grain but not in a way that really makes them optically look good.

DeltaWave - i think this is scum. I think the fact that Delta realized ketchup was a newbie in 505 but didn't unvote until 664 is emblematic of someone who isn't really fluidly thinking about the game. I think the line to ketchup about "needing to quit this line of argument" is reminiscent of scum only finding validity in arguments that are "factually correct," it's not really interested in ketchup's alignment.

To be honest, I think DeltaWave reading 228 straight and calling it "so, so, so bad" is a scum tell. I think scum are more likely to take non-serious posts seriously for the most part and again, the defense of Drew seems more based in "this argument is factually inconsistent" not "this argument is scum motivated." I also think the town read on Luca is exactly the position scum would be taking up right now. There's too many scum reads and not in a towny way.

Black - gun to head town. Unfortunately, I don't have as much confidence on this read (or many of my reads) as I am used to. I blame the position I've been forced into in this game. Overall, I think the way Black has treated my slot leans town. I think her shift from wanting to resolve my slot to giving me some time was natural. I think she believes in her push on Projectry. again, I've historically managed to get very confident reads on black but wasn't in a position to do that this game. still would say town if I had to choose.

Doctor Drew - still kinda think this is scum. I think DeltaWave is scummier at the moment but Drew is a good pick for partner and I still don't really have anything to town read from Drew's slot. Drew continually shading ketchup as I get run up is not really a good look, I feel like he's setting up for me to claim PR or something and wants a backup option. there hasn't really been an evaluation of who might be scum pending my scum flip, which drew seems to feel pretty strongly about. Luca meanwhile is trying different solves based on my flip, but Drew seems content just to OMGUS and leave it at that. maybe my expectations are too high but I expect more from town!drew here.

OutWorldER - never kill this, probably my most confident town read. i think there is a night and day difference between OWER's scum and town game and i think this is his town game. i think he really believes in his ketchup push. etc, etc,

*****

so like, if I run with all my reads then my solve ends up being Delta Wave/Doctor Drew/iamveryhappy

That's not really the most satisfying solve to me. It feels like 3 kinda LHF, but that's honestly where I'm at and I don't think I'm gonna really be able to evolve beyond that given my position here.

Currently, I feel strongest about Delta Wave as far as scum reads go.

I feel strongest about OWER as far as town reads go. If I were to ask that any of my reads are to be sheeped, those are the two I would ask to be sheeped if I die.

I know it's easy to say in hindsight, but this was actually a really Townie post, but unfortunately I was asleep at the time and the hammer happened before I had the chance to wake. I like to think I might have at least had pause for thought based on this, but unfortunately we'll never know.

And why exactly are you telling the thread about it? Especially after you've already started the day phase and started doing other stuff

I hadn't read through the D1 EoD posts, so I was just giving my thoughts as I went through.

Think that's + town points for Luca, indicates how he actually was cactching up after daystart, which town is more likely to do (especially town that's likely to die like Him)

[Gypyx]

Honestly I was very tired when I made this post so hadn’t had time to think about implicating anyone with it yet. Looking at it now I do think it somewhat likely the maf lies in

Psyche/OutWorldEr/Hu Tao/Jacob24/ProjectRy

But see a few posts back I like some of Project‘s recent stuff. So maybe 3 of the first 4. there is a noticeable gap between top 4 posters and bottom 6 posters (but drew is close to confirmed)

What was your scumread on project based off of?

And why do you townread Gypyx?

Project‘s first few ISOs were either filler orotund focussed on me. But his posts have since improved.

I’m not fully set on gypyx, mostly a hunch based on general demeanour.

Could 989 be a Mason crumb or are they just friends?

i think pointing out potential PRs is antitown behaviour, would rather shut this down pretty pls <3

[Gypyx]

You can be Sorry when i flip Town Mason Cop or something

[Gypyx]

Kinda would prefer to be looking at black today i guess but i could indulge in settling on project if that's a vote people feel more comfortable around

Why aren't you looking at me then? I don't even think you've explained why you think I'm scummy. You don't need the rest of the room's approval to do so

i don't think i'm able to get the playerlist to kill you today therefore it's best i make my intents and views around you unclear

besides i'm not so fan of scumcasing with "here, a wall of text, pls vote"

[Gypyx]

You can be Sorry when i flip Town Mason Cop or something

if you’re a cop please investigate me to shut down the haters, they’re scaring me ):

now you're just pocketing me

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Gypyx hopping on the Dann wagon

Entertaining thoughts of a Dann / Black scumteam tbh

it's like two little court jesters doing a dance of looking like they don't know each other while being best friends

i guess OWER has a bit of the "i need to talk like a townie would" energy but that's certainely no D1 worthy stuff

the drew vote is also very bad and i see it as Dann looking for a way to confibias himself into creating a wagon on drew?

VOTE: Dannflor

Dann how caught up are you and what do you think of bugs wagon/Luca's case

i'm not clear what exactly you are asking me for here OWER

simply put i think luca is probably a townie tunneled on another townie and as such im looking for scum assuming that game state

my instinct would be that there was a maximum of one scum on my wagon when i replaced

so convinient how this excludes Black and no one else btw

This Dannflor/Black theory doesn't feel real. I think Gypyx was just looking for a way to hop on the Dann wagon. I think Dann flipping town would cause town!Gypyx to reevaluate her read on me, but it doesn't seem like she has

nah i actually reevaluated, i just think that 1. your day 1 play was very proscum seeing how things are shaping up and 2. Your day 2 is ringing all alarm bells in my head, especially given the rythmn at which you're playing things, like, it just feels like you have to think about what you're gonna do as every step of the way and you coming back in the thread with this case is only confirming my suspicions

Spoiler: Gypyx leaving Dann's wagon and then hammering him

UNVOTE:

don't make me regret this danny boy

i think it's Luca / Hu Tao / Black

no cares and this just serves to get street cred points post game as a "aha i knew it"

Dann would you forgive me if i mishammered you

VOTE: Dannflor

sunk cost fallacy or something

Gypyx briefly hops off of Dann and comes up with a new solve

. This solve doesn't feel well thought out and there's a perspective slip with Gypyx's recent post about Hu Tao:

That was litterally a meme solve, like, woah, cognitive dissonance much? I know town can someone miss the joke but that one is pretty hard to

Ketchup's play is looking bad but i'm willing to let it slide cause of their tone for no

Hu Tao, you and me, let's kill the scumteam

If Gypyx thinks I'm scum with Hu Tao then why is she trying to pocket her here?

So we aren't allowed to pocket scum anymore?

I think the way Gypyx danced around Dann's wagon is pretty scummy and I think she is just throwing solves around that she doesn't really believe in to fit her agenda

I think it's indicative of me not knowing what to do about Dann but you could also spin it like that i guess

Anyways big argument, except actually almost everything Black is saying in it revolves around 545 which is just plainly misinterpreted, i'll admit i played around Dann pretty badly but confbiasing yourself into killing town is never gonna look good

[Gypyx]

That was litterally a meme solve, like, woah, cognitive dissonance much? I know town can someone miss the joke but that one is pretty hard to

How is it a meme solve and why is it obviously a joke? I'll admit I may have missed the context

So we aren't allowed to pocket scum anymore?

Do you still think Hu Tao is scum?

basically it came after 2 people similarly gave out a 3 player solve that didn't feel meaningful in any way since like, it's really hard to act on it. felt pretty sassy at the time so i chose to 1 up them with an even more ridiculous scumteam

always thought she was town and i still do to this day ! I swear on my momma

[Gypyx]

Because Outworld understood it as a joke too?

[Gypyx]

like idk i'm sorry cause i'm feeling kinda mean saying that but where exactly is outworld taking my solve seriously? his argument even views it more as an attack of the "Let me put out my solve" mindset, which it was in the end i guess

[Gypyx]

i think this kill makes him scummier but i kinda wanna trust dann's read so i'm putting him in "not today" territory

[Gypyx]

Don't recall being captivated by outworld but his day1 had a general aura of towniness, i recall his handling of dann slot being pretty good

where's this going exactly? feels like you're half-trying to catch me in some kind of slip without much aim

[Gypyx]

i guess OWER has a bit of the "i need to talk like a townie would" energy but that's certainely no D1 worthy stuff

the drew vote is also very bad and i see it as Dann looking for a way to confibias himself into creating a wagon on drew?

VOTE: Dannflor

It seems like you were at least mildly suspicious of OWER here, and you clearly thought Dann was probably scum, so why would you consider the below solves to be "not meaningful" and "ridiculous"?

Dann/OutWorld/someone else mkes sense to me. Maybe iavh

I think it's Dann/OutWorld/iavh right now as well.

I guess we shall see.

i guess i was huh, would you look at that

and yeah i mean, my point wasn't that the people in the solves weren't scum (even if it seems like they aren't in the end) it's that making whole solves in day 1 kinda leads to nowhere? by day 3, the time you can finally (hopefully) try to look at the whole scumteam, nobody is gonna look at day 1 for additional wisdom, while during day 1, unless you've got a big associative all or nothing scumread, what's the point of pointing at a group? we're figuring out individuals here

look, i think we can keep going like that for very long but this is getting pretty boring from my side

[Gypyx]

how funny would it be if we had 8 1-person wagons

pedit : hmmm well, i was gonna try to consolidate on project but that can wait for now

[Gypyx]

[Gypyx]

Oh I'm already voting Black. Good.

no you aren't

[Gypyx]

it's so easy

[Gypyx]

let's make that 6-1 amirite townies

[Gypyx]

got more in store for us Titus?

[Gypyx]

yeah it's been a bit hard to keep myself in the flow of things

[Gypyx]

i am coasting, but it's not on purpose.

i'll try one more time starting this evening to get my breakout moment.

What happened to this?

Not the first time psyche seems to be struggling to put fowards content, make a call, frozen scum or lost townie?

[Gypyx]

this day really feels like it went for longer than 3 real life days

[Gypyx]

for the record i'm not really open to a massclaim right now, maybe tommorow? right now we already have a confirmed town so mafia is in the rough position of having to kill them or aim elsewhere and hope they do manage to get a PR

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: The Hu Tao murder case

And you, Ketchup? You're voting an absent player who is most likely getting replaced at some point, so your attention is better directed elsewhere for now. Do you have much in the way of reads currently?

There's been next to nothing to go off of today. I want to up the ante though.

Who would be for a massclaim be at this point to try get some momentum and not let the mafia have an easy ride in the shadows?

Please offer thoughts for or against this. Or just do

something!

[i/]

As Black said in 1100 , we need to start pressuring people; thank you for pressuring me because the pace of this game is alarmingly stagnant right now.

end of post addition: I was going to offer up my rough current reads, but when I started with Hu Tao it suddenly turned into a surprise Hu Tao dismembering session. So here's my case against Hu Tao. It's so long it will be separated from my other reads. Here goes:

Hu Tao: Hmm well I looked at her ISO again just now, and, er... well. I found LOTS of things I am suspicious of. Here goes:

Sus 1: The destruction of bugs/dann:

After attacking Bugs' first in 39 , Hu Tao lays low until sensing an opportunity (perhaps) with Luca's 150 . Note the times between messages 150 and 151. Less than 2 minutes apart. Obviously we can tell that Hu Tao was online at the time, so maybe not so suspicious, but did she immediately sense an opportunity to exploit Luca and take it? Possibly. When she next comes on 70 mins later, she votes Bugs in 161 essentially sheeping Luca's reads. Black starts to cast suspicion on Bugs in 160 , and maybe this was the calling Hu Tao was waiting for? (ofc note that she could just have gone offline for a bit) Now she places her vote in 161 , and

continues to direct everyone towards voting this slot

, with 265 , 281 , 284 , 451 , 452 and 672 . For the people who don't want to go find those:

"Sorry you replaced into scum again, Dann. I was looking forward to playing with you again."
"Yep. Bug/Dann is scum slot. Let's keep voting"
"2 more votes. All we need for a day 1 scum elim"
"Stay the course of Dann. He's scum" [after Black switched her vote to Project]
"Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved."
"Quick. Someone hammer"

Read those together and judge for yourself, I guess.

Sus 2: other stuff

a:

Why am I very townie?

Jacob puts Hu Tao as one of his 'very townie' reads (along with himself, Drew and Luca). Hu Tao questions why she seems townie to him. If you were mafia, you might want to know this so you can keep doing what you're doing. As town, you could ask this too, but I think it's slightly less likely than mafia wanting to know why.

b:

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

We aren't looking for teams at the moment. We just need to find one scum to get things in the right direction. There is not a reason to look for more than 1 currently.

Project begins to raise some good points and question the logic of Hu Tao and the reasoning behind the scumteam's kill. Hu Tao makes this strange statement I highlighted in purple above. Looking for the team and who could be partners is surely just as important and valid as looking for single scums? Now I did some more game reading for fun earlier because nothing interesting was happening over here and hey what did I find?

Remind me who you think my partner is, Hu Tao?

I'm sure you're scum. I'll figure out the other tomorrow.

The above is from the recently finished mini normal #2322, where Hu Tao was scum. Hu Tao used the same morally questionable logic in the endgame here on Jan 30th, a day and 5 hours before applying it again here. Suspicious much?

c:

There is also a bit of a disconnect between 941 and 942 . Hu Tao's "Hmm" read on Gypyx (rather than "townie") does not seem consistent with "This seems like a town post.

Unsure why there are votes on her at the moment

". "Hmm" suggests doubt, no? Then it would not be so surpising to see people also having doubts.

d:

Maybe we should vote off the wagon. Because scum shot on the wagon which was weird, especially since it was someone not many tr. Might mean they are comfortable with us voting in it.

I don’t understand. What?

Finally, Hu Tao hasn't answered my questioning here yet. Not suspicious necessarily but I still don't understand what she was trying to say.

well damn.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Sus 1 is very good, and i guess since this game is way too static i'll try to vote there to see if this unlocks anything

Sus 2 feels more questionable and kinda reads as if you've came up with all that after formulating sus 1 and wanting to put more in your case, am i wrong?

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Gypyx]

finally ketchup could you explain a bit more these vibes that Psyche is town? i feel like their 1128 and 1101 read pretty annoyed at actually being pointed at for "weak" reasons, which is more of a scum mindset where you're less focused around being able to solve and more like how you're looking. Yeah of course Psyche raises some fair points but that's not the question here

[Gypyx]

2B is actually the one i disagree with the most ironically

it's very easy for scum to hide themselves in a team solve, have one misflip and "whoops guess i had it all wrong time to reevaluate" (aka : i'm free to vote the best vote for the scumteam)

later on team solves become more important as the restricted playerlist makes it easier to go by process of elimination

and anyways, consider this : scum!Hu Tao is doing this as scum cause she earnestly belives that's what town!Hu Tao would do / what she actually does as town

i think 2a is actually more interesting of a point given this kind of questions *can* come from town but generally townies who are way more engaged in the game

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: The Hu Tao murder case

And you, Ketchup? You're voting an absent player who is most likely getting replaced at some point, so your attention is better directed elsewhere for now. Do you have much in the way of reads currently?

There's been next to nothing to go off of today. I want to up the ante though.

Who would be for a massclaim be at this point to try get some momentum and not let the mafia have an easy ride in the shadows?

Please offer thoughts for or against this. Or just do

something!

[i/]

As Black said in 1100 , we need to start pressuring people; thank you for pressuring me because the pace of this game is alarmingly stagnant right now.

end of post addition: I was going to offer up my rough current reads, but when I started with Hu Tao it suddenly turned into a surprise Hu Tao dismembering session. So here's my case against Hu Tao. It's so long it will be separated from my other reads. Here goes:

Hu Tao: Hmm well I looked at her ISO again just now, and, er... well. I found LOTS of things I am suspicious of. Here goes:

Sus 1: The destruction of bugs/dann:

After attacking Bugs' first in 39 , Hu Tao lays low until sensing an opportunity (perhaps) with Luca's 150 . Note the times between messages 150 and 151. Less than 2 minutes apart. Obviously we can tell that Hu Tao was online at the time, so maybe not so suspicious, but did she immediately sense an opportunity to exploit Luca and take it? Possibly. When she next comes on 70 mins later, she votes Bugs in 161 essentially sheeping Luca's reads. Black starts to cast suspicion on Bugs in 160 , and maybe this was the calling Hu Tao was waiting for? (ofc note that she could just have gone offline for a bit) Now she places her vote in 161 , and

continues to direct everyone towards voting this slot

, with 265 , 281 , 284 , 451 , 452 and 672 . For the people who don't want to go find those:

"Sorry you replaced into scum again, Dann. I was looking forward to playing with you again."
"Yep. Bug/Dann is scum slot. Let's keep voting"
"2 more votes. All we need for a day 1 scum elim"
"Stay the course of Dann. He's scum" [after Black switched her vote to Project]
"Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved."
"Quick. Someone hammer"

Read those together and judge for yourself, I guess.

Sus 2: other stuff

a:

Why am I very townie?

Jacob puts Hu Tao as one of his 'very townie' reads (along with himself, Drew and Luca). Hu Tao questions why she seems townie to him. If you were mafia, you might want to know this so you can keep doing what you're doing. As town, you could ask this too, but I think it's slightly less likely than mafia wanting to know why.

b:

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

We aren't looking for teams at the moment. We just need to find one scum to get things in the right direction. There is not a reason to look for more than 1 currently.

Project begins to raise some good points and question the logic of Hu Tao and the reasoning behind the scumteam's kill. Hu Tao makes this strange statement I highlighted in purple above. Looking for the team and who could be partners is surely just as important and valid as looking for single scums? Now I did some more game reading for fun earlier because nothing interesting was happening over here and hey what did I find?

Remind me who you think my partner is, Hu Tao?

I'm sure you're scum. I'll figure out the other tomorrow.

The above is from the recently finished mini normal #2322, where Hu Tao was scum. Hu Tao used the same morally questionable logic in the endgame here on Jan 30th, a day and 5 hours before applying it again here. Suspicious much?

c:

There is also a bit of a disconnect between 941 and 942 . Hu Tao's "Hmm" read on Gypyx (rather than "townie") does not seem consistent with "This seems like a town post.

Unsure why there are votes on her at the moment

". "Hmm" suggests doubt, no? Then it would not be so surpising to see people also having doubts.

d:

Maybe we should vote off the wagon. Because scum shot on the wagon which was weird, especially since it was someone not many tr. Might mean they are comfortable with us voting in it.

I don’t understand. What?

Finally, Hu Tao hasn't answered my questioning here yet. Not suspicious necessarily but I still don't understand what she was trying to say.

well damn.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Sus 1 is very good, and i guess since this game is way too static i'll try to vote there to see if this unlocks anything

Sus 2 feels more questionable and kinda reads as if you've came up with all that after formulating sus 1 and wanting to put more in your case, am i wrong?

VOTE: Hu Tao

No that's fair, I just wanted to lay down all my thoughts at once. I think sus2:b could actually be a good point, but the rest are hardly anything to go on.
Thanks for applying some pressure!

why did the moderator post that, i have avatars and usernames disabled help

[Gypyx]

wdym later

i want VC now

[Gypyx]

am bored of waiting for replacements, i want blood and drama

[Gypyx]

pushing for more apathy also isn't a great look ketchup

[Gypyx]

i'm the original scum majority off wagon poster so you just know i said to myself "heck yeah" when reading this, or like, "Mais oui totalement" since i'm french

the Delta kill just never happens with a scum majority on the wagon, even if scum thought they *potentially* faced a PR here, better to let dayplay do it's thing rather than shrink the pool in which they actually are able to hide

i'd be cool with doing Black / Titus / Psyche today

[Gypyx]

i especially think that at least 1 scum was in the not voting pool / on a dead wagon given how monolithic the dann thing seemed to be, like, i doubt someone would dare to try to do something that might bring the day back on correct tracks

[Gypyx]

i'm the original scum majority off wagon poster so you just know i said to myself "heck yeah" when reading this, or like, "Mais oui totalement" since i'm french

the Delta kill just never happens with a scum majority on the wagon, even if scum thought they *potentially* faced a PR here, better to let dayplay do it's thing rather than shrink the pool in which they actually are able to hide

i'd be cool with doing Black / Titus / Psyche today

So if you're original premise is this, why vote me here?

I feel like you have decent odds to be a solo scum on Dann

besides i'd rather have a productive vote on someone i'm not too sure on being scum than a vanity vote where i can't actually do anything with it

[Gypyx]

i'm the original scum majority off wagon poster so you just know i said to myself "heck yeah" when reading this, or like, "Mais oui totalement" since i'm french

the Delta kill just never happens with a scum majority on the wagon, even if scum thought they *potentially* faced a PR here, better to let dayplay do it's thing rather than shrink the pool in which they actually are able to hide

i'd be cool with doing Black / Titus / Psyche today

I think I would be good with this.

Some good points are being made about Luca probably not being scum

can you give some actual anti-psyche points

It is more vibe than anything, Black and I just finished a game with him(I was scum, Black and Psyche were town).

He came right out of the gate calling people scum, didn't seem too worried about how he came off.

Definitely different than he has been here.

Psyche immediately accused bugspray in this game though..?

people can try to emulate their town metas when playing scum fwiw, the bugspray push was quite easy to make too

i'm anyways not too fan of meta arguments so not gonna argue on that hill

VOTE: Psyche

[Gypyx]

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

Wait I got psyche and project mixed up

[Gypyx]

oh no it's so over we're so read oh god oh fuck no no no no no no no no no

[Gypyx]

overall the wagon strikes me as rather lazy in a hypocritical way
am being pressured to do something by people who aren't otherwise doing anything

i'm not really accusing you of doing nothing, i'm accusing you of doing scum!nothing rather than town!nothing

[Gypyx]

it's about how you're going back and forth on wanting to share your reads / not saying much plus how your interact with your accusations, like yeah town can get irritated too but i feel the way you're getting caught up on the fact that this is an "inactivity wagon" is scum getting caught for the wrong reasons

[Gypyx]

have been through this loop many times is all. but i know it's mostly self-inflicted

not sure what this means exactly

[Gypyx]

there are 3 constants in life, death, taxes, and people making mafia subforms on any hobby that they have

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Psyche destroying Jacob with words

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

It was intended to be somewhat controlling, since I wanted to try and get things under control. I am a very logic-based person so I wanted to really flesh out the arguments and such.

I think the questions you're asking are fine, but you're digging in a bit much. For right now, I'm with Luca in voting for bugspray but I may acknowledge some other notions as to the scum identity.

#30 by jacob24 is notably cautious.
in #88 jacob provides more context. says he wants to "flesh out the arguments and such". it doesn't seem he ever follows through though.
eg in #83 he places blank vote for bugspray

VOTE: Jacob

I'm not really vibing with his reasons for joining the bug wagon. He said he wants to sheep Luca but Luca hasn't even voted there yet. It almost feels like he wanted to hop on before Luca because he knew Luca would likely join. Feels a little opportunistic

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

#116 black pressures him for the vote, and he responds
#117 expresses that consistency w/ "logic-based" self-characterization derives from fact that luca provided clearer reasoning for bugspray vote. did luca? oh luca was the one that jacob asked follow-up question to. so jacob liked the answer? odd that this wasn't directly expressed until prompted if it was so persuasive. suggests an inclination to maintain flexibility.

UNVOTE:

Don't need/want e-2 on new player immediately. I'd like to hear them out first.

#227/#254 jacob unvote of bugspray and call for delay on dann is more consistent w/ self-characterization, but rather than logic-based and interest in fleshing out arguments, i'm just seeing caution, which can be okay
otoh 254/256/283 considered together are pretty wild and throws my "cautious" read into doubt

227 feels LAMIST to me and I don't think it makes sense for Jacob to get off the bug wagon if he thinks Luca's read is accurate. Feels more like he wants to give Dannflor a chance to save himself

Uh, yeah, if Dannflor is town I want to give them a chance to save themselves. Luca's read could have been confused by the fact that bugs was disinterested and not really into the game. Also that bugs left points to them being more town as I agree with what was said about not replacing out if scum.

This makes me think you may actually be the one working with Dannflor, calling me out for a reasonable play, making it seem like you want me to keep vote on someone you aren't voting yourself.

black is voting for me

Oop, that's right. Forgot they voted after last count. That vote makes me think she's town and you're scum or you're town and she's scum.

i did not

i actually read the game first this time and made sure i was replacing into what i thought was more likely to be a town slot before i replaced in

This post is crazy to me. Clearly you didn’t read close enough. This feels like an incredibly flimsy defense. Despite me earlier doubts, I’m back with Luca and like Black’s thoughts.

VOTE: Dannflor

in this last one jacob is calling someone out for not reading close enough after failing to notice a vote critical to his reads.
but the whole sequence swings between strong attitudes re dann/black that abandons the told-but-not-really-ever-shown thoughtfulness in prior posts.

jacob is fully committed to the dann wagon by #369, even trying to convince me to jump on

VOTE: ketchup

Still think that ketchup seems scummy. Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann.

but doesn't seem to reel or reorient at all after being wrong. would imagine that someone as anxious as jacob initially coded having a stronger reaction to error feedback here.

have had trouble reading new players in the past, but rough rule of thumb for reading unskilled players is to try ignoring inconsistencies/bs in the content of their posts and focus on consistency of conveyed emotions/attitudes/dispositions with other behavior. a consistent personality read that works over jacob's trajectory seems impossible, which inclines me to interpretation that the trajectory is faked. but maybe as easy to imagine that scum would try harder to more consistently perform the role he explicitly took on. i'm interested in seeing the slot flip but i can't say i have a firm read on it either way.

This seems like a town post

is it cause it's long or because of something else?

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Psyche destroying Jacob with words

These early reads seem a bit mindless… let’s slow down a bit and think about it.

I’m here by the way.

It was intended to be somewhat controlling, since I wanted to try and get things under control. I am a very logic-based person so I wanted to really flesh out the arguments and such.

I think the questions you're asking are fine, but you're digging in a bit much. For right now, I'm with Luca in voting for bugspray but I may acknowledge some other notions as to the scum identity.

#30 by jacob24 is notably cautious.
in #88 jacob provides more context. says he wants to "flesh out the arguments and such". it doesn't seem he ever follows through though.
eg in #83 he places blank vote for bugspray

VOTE: Jacob

I'm not really vibing with his reasons for joining the bug wagon. He said he wants to sheep Luca but Luca hasn't even voted there yet. It almost feels like he wanted to hop on before Luca because he knew Luca would likely join. Feels a little opportunistic

Fair enough. Maybe better to say I liked Luca's reasoning. A lot of people had put votes down on Bug without explaining really so I wanted something a little more formal. Post 26 felt good when I read the ISO on him.

#116 black pressures him for the vote, and he responds
#117 expresses that consistency w/ "logic-based" self-characterization derives from fact that luca provided clearer reasoning for bugspray vote. did luca? oh luca was the one that jacob asked follow-up question to. so jacob liked the answer? odd that this wasn't directly expressed until prompted if it was so persuasive. suggests an inclination to maintain flexibility.

UNVOTE:

Don't need/want e-2 on new player immediately. I'd like to hear them out first.

#227/#254 jacob unvote of bugspray and call for delay on dann is more consistent w/ self-characterization, but rather than logic-based and interest in fleshing out arguments, i'm just seeing caution, which can be okay
otoh 254/256/283 considered together are pretty wild and throws my "cautious" read into doubt

227 feels LAMIST to me and I don't think it makes sense for Jacob to get off the bug wagon if he thinks Luca's read is accurate. Feels more like he wants to give Dannflor a chance to save himself

Uh, yeah, if Dannflor is town I want to give them a chance to save themselves. Luca's read could have been confused by the fact that bugs was disinterested and not really into the game. Also that bugs left points to them being more town as I agree with what was said about not replacing out if scum.

This makes me think you may actually be the one working with Dannflor, calling me out for a reasonable play, making it seem like you want me to keep vote on someone you aren't voting yourself.

black is voting for me

Oop, that's right. Forgot they voted after last count. That vote makes me think she's town and you're scum or you're town and she's scum.

i did not

i actually read the game first this time and made sure i was replacing into what i thought was more likely to be a town slot before i replaced in

This post is crazy to me. Clearly you didn’t read close enough. This feels like an incredibly flimsy defense. Despite me earlier doubts, I’m back with Luca and like Black’s thoughts.

VOTE: Dannflor

in this last one jacob is calling someone out for not reading close enough after failing to notice a vote critical to his reads.
but the whole sequence swings between strong attitudes re dann/black that abandons the told-but-not-really-ever-shown thoughtfulness in prior posts.

jacob is fully committed to the dann wagon by #369, even trying to convince me to jump on

VOTE: ketchup

Still think that ketchup seems scummy. Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann.

but doesn't seem to reel or reorient at all after being wrong. would imagine that someone as anxious as jacob initially coded having a stronger reaction to error feedback here.

have had trouble reading new players in the past, but rough rule of thumb for reading unskilled players is to try ignoring inconsistencies/bs in the content of their posts and focus on consistency of conveyed emotions/attitudes/dispositions with other behavior. a consistent personality read that works over jacob's trajectory seems impossible, which inclines me to interpretation that the trajectory is faked. but maybe as easy to imagine that scum would try harder to more consistently perform the role he explicitly took on. i'm interested in seeing the slot flip but i can't say i have a firm read on it either way.

This seems like a town post

is it cause it's long or because of something else?

He found some Jacob holes that I missed but that seem perfectly plausible. lots of quotes

So town is when you are correct and scum is when you are wrong?

idk, i think the case is good, but it's not really AI for psyche, not until we get more flips at least

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

oh no jacob rolled scum again

[Gypyx]

Quite the opposite, funny how you label someone voting you as something scummy in and of itself

Yes i am a paragon of towniness and anyone harming me can only be an agent of evil

jokes aside this is a very towny start and i like your reaction

[Gypyx]

jokes aside this is a very towny start and i like your reaction

Of course it's a towny start, I am a paragon of towniness and anyone harming me can only be an agent of evil

How about you vote ketchup777 then, he's the evildoer trying to cause your slot's death not me

[Gypyx]

*starts withering away from the sheer towniness of jackson like a vampire*

oh wow you sure are huh, how would you feel about placing your vote elsewhere please <3

how would you feel if i told you i was just being manipulative for the fun of it

[Gypyx]

honestly i've been getting somewhat weary of ketchup based on his play being like, kinda proscum, and i say that as someone who likes to rates vibes and emotions pretty highly, this is probably not day 2 stuff anyways

[Gypyx]

i think i've already run out of momentum

VOTE: Black

[Gypyx]

imo the sequence that produced 368 is close to as easy to townread as luca's whole deal

I mean, there's a weird discrepency between how enthusiastic he was about sharing his reads and how a lot of those were just "Yeah this person have done that, other people read it like that, i agree"

i can view ir as ketchup being encouraged in the scum PT to share his reads

[Gypyx]

honestly i've been getting somewhat weary of ketchup based on his play being like, kinda proscum, and i say that as someone who likes to rates vibes and emotions pretty highly, this is probably not day 2 stuff anyways

Fully agree my Dann vote looks really bad, won’t deny that. But why do you think my Hu Tao push is proscum?

well i can't tell right now if the Hu Tao vote is towny or scummy, i'd need more alignement infos but it certainely doesn't help us to stabilize this game

what i said lies more in the little things of your post by post actions

[Gypyx]

my friend, a good show starts by having clearly defined protagonists, friends and foes, what good can we get out of all this if the threats are scattered and scum could be doing anything

bussing is maybe a bit out of the window in such a frail gamestate but we need to actually find scum for such analysis to happen, and while i think Hu Tao could be, i'm not 100% convinced

[Gypyx]

oh i guess i though the hu wagon had less votes

gonna stay on black but am looking respectfully

[Gypyx]

@Anyone interested in the Hu Tao wagon

do you think scum!Hu Tao ever kills Deltawave this night when it would feel pretty natural for town to aim on the wagon, and with Delta being dead, Hu Tao would basically be the next in PoE of the Dann pushers? Luca isn't a realistic lim to aim for given his generally high towncred

I really think we can solve her day 3 but for now i'd like a little more time please

[Gypyx]

feeling like i'm almost figuring things out but not in their entirety

[Gypyx]

@Anyone interested in the Hu Tao wagon

do you think scum!Hu Tao ever kills Deltawave this night when it would feel pretty natural for town to aim on the wagon, and with Delta being dead, Hu Tao would basically be the next in PoE of the Dann pushers? Luca isn't a realistic lim to aim for given his generally high towncred

I really think we can solve her day 3 but for now i'd like a little more time please

Objectively I would have not but I guess self meta amirite

*smites you* shush

[Gypyx]

Black jv +1

Black jv Ketchup

take it or leave it

[Gypyx]

I think that taking away his tone, which i belive is the main thing a lot of people TR him for, his actions are actually kinda scummy and especially how he's acting around the thread

i could go into more details if you wish but i'm not much of a case person, maybe tell me if i'm the only one seeing this

[Gypyx]

hope your irl stuff gets better black (and psyche too for that matter, don't know how i missed that)

[Gypyx]

hope your irl stuff gets better black (and psyche too for that matter, don't know how i missed that)

Thank you but it's actually really good IRL stuff. I started a new job and made new friends so now I'm going out with them and playing video games with them a lot. Very fun but unfortunately my Mafia free time has taken a huge dip

well then hope it gets EVEN BETTER

[Gypyx]

hope your irl stuff gets better black (and psyche too for that matter, don't know how i missed that)

Thank you but it's actually really good IRL stuff. I started a new job and made new friends so now I'm going out with them and playing video games with them a lot. Very fun but unfortunately my Mafia free time has taken a huge dip

well then hope it gets EVEN BETTER

Wow gypyx hates playing Mafia with me confirmed

That's why i'm trying to vote you out bestie

[Gypyx]

hope your irl stuff gets better black (and psyche too for that matter, don't know how i missed that)

Thank you but it's actually really good IRL stuff. I started a new job and made new friends so now I'm going out with them and playing video games with them a lot. Very fun but unfortunately my Mafia free time has taken a huge dip

well then hope it gets EVEN BETTER

Wow gypyx hates playing Mafia with me confirmed

That's why i'm trying to vote you out bestie

Have you even explained why you think I'm scum yet? You're not really trying to vote me out if you haven't yet, you're just hoping people latch on and make the case for you

I don't like casing people

i guess it's a way to convince people but it's a pretty bad one regardless

[Gypyx]

maybe i'll do that yeah, not too confident in my abilities to convince players but who knows

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Titus

kinda having a bad evening, will post more tommorow

[Gypyx]

my friend, a good show starts by having clearly defined protagonists, friends and foes, what good can we get out of all this if the threats are scattered and scum could be doing anything

I guess what you meant by stabilise the game was that we need to consolidate votes.

So why, in that case, would you randomly vote Black in 1242? It feels like you're doing more '

scattering'

than anyone in the game currently.

i'm a silly goose who always hopes she can maybe get her top scumread down

[Gypyx]

We have a pretty strong town base of players in this game - Drew, Ketchup, Psyche, myself, and I would probably now add Black and Jackson too. This is enough to determine the elimination without relying on any of the suspect slots for votes, so I'd advise against rushing an elimination for that reason at least.

Luca in shambles, scraping to not have to add EVIL GYPYX to his townblock

[Gypyx]

honestly i've been getting somewhat weary of ketchup based on his play being like, kinda proscum, and i say that as someone who likes to rates vibes and emotions pretty highly, this is probably not day 2 stuff anyways

i think i've already run out of momentum

VOTE: Black

I don't resonate with this at all.

My thoughts are impervious to your futile attempt at getting into them

i also thought that was a town post from psyche basically

[Gypyx]

Ketchup

what's the extent to which you've looked into normal game / roles?

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: quote

i'm not putting too much stock in the DeltaWave NKA cuz it could've happened for a million different reasons,

from someone thinking her reads were a genuine threat to them

all the way to scum thinking she was a pr for whatever reason

Ok so looking at Delta's ISO:

VOTE: Ketchup777

I can elaborate but just look at the ISO and tell me I'm wrong.

started off by accusing me

Initial thoughts -

Hu Tao - I get a town vibe from these posts.

Gypyx - I'm not sure yet.

ProjEctRy - A lot of filler. Neutral leaning sus.

Dannflor - 228 is so, so, so bad. Criticism of Drew seems forced. 277 is the kind of OMGUS I don't like. Drew being defensive as cited in 315 is not a scumtell at all. Everyone wants to stay alive no matter the wincon.

bugspray - The infamous multitasker poster. Let's face it, it was a stupid post, but was it scummy? A town PR would never out themselves like that. I could see a whacked out VT doing that, though.

Luca Blight - I don't really like the whole "I found the scumteam on post 24" stuff but this seems like it's coming from overexcited town than scum. It's just too much attention to draw on page 2. It's a bold move for scum to pick fights and make enemies that early in the game. OTOH, the reads are based on thin logic. But then again, that's what town does. Will say null town. Points deducted for not recognizing my meme. The confidence in 130, presuming it's Luca!Scum and they're trying to get a miselim on BG, seems unlikely. With BG almost being limmed I wouldn't expect scum to take such a strong position because it would get them trouble later after the flip.

Jacob24 - I can't tell you exactly why, but Post 88 didn't rub me the right way. Overall a sideliner.

iamveryhappy - I get the impression that they are staying close to the sidelines despite participating in the discussion. I think this is scummy.

ketchup777 - Newbie town probably.

Psyche - Overall I like the posts.

DeltaWave - Obvscum

Black - Not sure at this time.

Doctor Drew - Seems to ask a lot of questions without providing a lot of opinions. Not really liking that.

OutWorldER - Shading bugspray for the multitasker post isn't entirely unjustified but the reasoning on #85 seems like there's a hard attempt to justify that vote. The same thing kind of goes for #94.

VOTE: Daan

then after unvoting me, Delta sussed Project, Jacob, OutWorldEr, Drew, Dann and iavh. a lot of susses, the last 3 of which now seem/are innocent. I agree we don't want to run mind games but in case we decide to look deeper, these seem to be Delta's enemies.

Dann/OutWorld/someone else mkes sense to me. Maybe iavh

only you, OutWorldEr, remain in Delta's trio read. Convenient you try to get us not to worry too much about the reasoning for Delta's death?

I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.

Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now. But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I said where a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).

This is how I imagine it went down in the scum PT.

Hu Tao: hey guys do you know what would be fun
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: killing Delta
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: Delta also kinda suspects you OutWorld so let's do some double bluff stuff and I can raise a point about scum tending to shoot off the wagon so we should look off the wagon, etc... this will throw them into chaos! make them doubt everything they've ever known! If we're lucky we hit Delta being a power role as well, and they won't be protected.
OutWorld: eh sure I would never have thought of this. Crazy, but it could work
-----
*prod*
Jacob: sorry I've been really busy right now. I'll let you guys handle this.
Hu Tao: perfect, agreed I'll make the kill as the least sus is on me right now?

no need to use juggernaut yet {if one of them is jug idk)

OutWorld: ok. this'll be fun!
Jacob: ---

asking because this felt extremely weird to read, and like you trying to cover up the fact that you know scum has a strongman shot

[Gypyx]

juggernaut* my bad old name for the role

[Gypyx]

I thought my "{if they have a juggernaut idk}" made it clear I pointed out what I was saying

I don't really care about you making it a conditional assumption, like, the raw fact that making this part of the joke came up to your mind is what i'm suspicious of

it being in 3/4 games you've watched is a justification, but not the strongest ever

if we ever flip a jugg i guess that's like +100000 scumpoints, otherwise still a bit weird

[Gypyx]

I thought my "{if they have a juggernaut idk}" made it clear I pointed out what I was saying

I don't really care about you making it a conditional assumption, like, the raw fact that making this part of the joke came up to your mind is what i'm suspicious of

it being in 3/4 games you've watched is a justification, but not the strongest ever

if we ever flip a jugg i guess that's like +100000 scumpoints, otherwise still a bit weird

May I have one of those straws you're grasping at, I need one for my drink. Preferably not the paper ones

i'm gonna google "grasping at straws" and if the answer is not nice be aware that i'll get very sad

[Gypyx]

I thought my "{if they have a juggernaut idk}" made it clear I pointed out what I was saying

I don't really care about you making it a conditional assumption, like, the raw fact that making this part of the joke came up to your mind is what i'm suspicious of

it being in 3/4 games you've watched is a justification, but not the strongest ever

if we ever flip a jugg i guess that's like +100000 scumpoints, otherwise still a bit weird

May I have one of those straws you're grasping at, I need one for my drink. Preferably not the paper ones

i'm gonna google "grasping at straws" and if the answer is not nice be aware that i'll get very sad

really not sure what this is supposed to mean

[Gypyx]

I thought my "{if they have a juggernaut idk}" made it clear I pointed out what I was saying

I don't really care about you making it a conditional assumption, like, the raw fact that making this part of the joke came up to your mind is what i'm suspicious of

it being in 3/4 games you've watched is a justification, but not the strongest ever

if we ever flip a jugg i guess that's like +100000 scumpoints, otherwise still a bit weird

yeah sure. if we flip a jug I’ll be pretty happy even if I look bad now

has it not occurred to you that certain aspects of my role might make me suspect a jug..?

well if there are that's something we should wait for during massclaim, notice how i'm not doing anything with that yet

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

[Gypyx]

Or dont kill me in general that would be great too in fact

can't promise anything to you, sorry

[Gypyx]

Vote count Analysis

[Gypyx]

Titus isn't the way to go today, and I plan on casing Gypyx but this is my consolidation vote

*looks at you with my big puppy eyes*

[Gypyx]

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

[Gypyx]

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I can't place it but this post reads pretty awful

i'm trying really hard to say stuff without saying it

[Gypyx]

Titus isn't the way to go today, and I plan on casing Gypyx but this is my consolidation vote

*looks at you with my big puppy eyes*

What's your read on me?

Haven't read anything that makes me go "holy shit this is town" but i'm also not sure there's like, room for you to be scum

i've got also less micropings about you than in bianco's normal so that's probably a good thing

[Gypyx]

Titus isn't the way to go today, and I plan on casing Gypyx but this is my consolidation vote

*looks at you with my big puppy eyes*

What's your read on me?

Haven't read anything that makes me go "holy shit this is town" but i'm also not sure there's like, room for you to be scum

i've got also less micropings about you than in bianco's normal so that's probably a good thing

No room for me being scum?

Yeah, like, you aren't high up in the priority list

[Gypyx]

Why are you treating me like you have been? The puppy dog eyes, and the general flattery.

i'm having fun with things

[Gypyx]

there's also a bit of trying to reaction test you but that's really not my main motivation here

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[Gypyx]

[Gypyx]

how did you make the smiley face

[Gypyx]

:)

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

Your reads are bad. If OWER is town then Hu is the only possible scum on the wagon and she has a history of bussing her teammates

That's a lot of if's you're throwing at me
"if ower is town"
"if hu is actually bussing"
"If i myself am town"

[Gypyx]

VOTE: titus

good night everyone

[Gypyx]

but…storytime ):

sowwy :c

[Gypyx]

I propose a mass-claim in this order: Hu Tao, Gypyx, Outworld, Black, Jackson, Psyche, Ketchup, Luca.

I don't mind altering the order a bit, but I do think that Hu Tao, gypyx and outworld should be the first three.

That's cool

[Gypyx]

ordee

[Gypyx]

VT

alright no more content its back to grinding guilty gear bye

you should stop grinding guilty gear RIGHT NOW

[Gypyx]

Oops I went out of order. Whatever

litterally threw the game

[Gypyx]

there's more stuff i wanna come fowards with anyways but that'll have to come later

[Gypyx]

I'm a Novice Non-Consequtive Simple (yet secretly complex) Loyal Loud Roaming Strongwilled 1-shot Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass

I will be yoiking that

[Gypyx]

1. e4

your go

[Gypyx]

I had no idea we could do that, how does it even work

you do chess tags and you do official chess notation

[Gypyx]

Sure sure

T

*buzzer sound*

We'll go with that lmao

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Fail (4/8):

R, "Town", N, T

role

[Gypyx]

i'm scum both in this game and in the hangman

[Gypyx]

i'm scum both in this game and in the hangman

i think i should be allowed to scumclaim once each game, as a treat