So why track them at all?In post 4096, gob wrote:No i could track them. But the mafia chooses who kills among their team on this site. Given how under the radar Naerys was, if she was scum its not unlikely she wouldnt carry out the kill.In post 3967, Oatsmaster wrote:So the mafia factional kill has to be carried by someone but you can’t track them? Is that your understanding?In post 3958, gob wrote:Yes why else would i say it?In post 3956, Oatsmaster wrote:Do you?In post 3955, gob wrote:Do you know how the role works? Or what?In post 3954, Oatsmaster wrote: Alright not using tracker to track mafia night kill is easy mafia
I feel like im getting gaslit everytime i talk to these new people.
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VOTE: gob
We need to decide if we want to just quickly yeet gob and move on or if we want to talk for a while knowing we will yeet gob.
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Im taking my time to reorient myself into the game based on the flips.
Im pretty sure there is at least one more mafia on my wagon above so I am looking at Luca/HT and Grack right now.
I would really love the team to be Luca/HT/gob cause then I was correct from the close to the start of the game
I don't think vivax and gob makes much sense paired together. Unless the early pressure on Vivax by gob was a distancing attempt?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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What do you think this means? What are your reads atm?In post 4250, Vivax wrote:
I was ready to push Dannflor come day from this (It's like he knew of a tracker's existence, also very set on pushing Oats).In post 2657, Dannflor wrote:
probably oats by a country mile, idk I haven't thought about it too much yetIn post 2653, Hu Tao wrote:
Agreed with this too. Thoughts on who had the worst beginning of day today?In post 2650, Dannflor wrote: unsure why Ninja is getting all the heat for bad reads when like Roden/Dunnstral/HuTao were basically consensus null/scum reads all of yesterday
the wording of 2431 feels weirdly pedantic, like he's trying to give himself an out in case he was tracked to the kill or somethingOdd kill imo.
Worth noting that Oats was the first to really call out scum gob in this game, and Oats got limmed not long ago, though it felt like an eternity."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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You realise he got hammered while I was asleep right?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
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can you explain this for me?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
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Vivax, your DP - HT scum team makes sense on actually zero levels. Putting aside the fact that I know I am town, I don't understand objectively how anyone could arrive at that conclusion naturally.
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Do you think he could have been blue sniped?In post 4256, Vivax wrote:
Red/Blue blindness is more likely to be from town for one.In post 4255, DarthPunk wrote:
can you explain this for me?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
Luca's first post in the context of this Dann NK was spot on.
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I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.In post 4260, Vivax wrote:
That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.In post 4034, Grackaroni wrote: Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.
It's really going to bolster my reputation.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.
Hu Tao and ???
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Vivax, was this actually a legit read from you?In post 4253, DarthPunk wrote:
You realise he got hammered while I was asleep right?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
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I am basically assuming Dann was a blue snipe or a respect kill from someone who is familiar with him. He is apparently a very strong player on this site.In post 4263, Vivax wrote: Maybe I should stick to Luca despite the Dannflor kill. It just seems like an unlikely pick for Luca if he's mafia here. Dannflor wasn't really threatening to anyone in particular. Maybe the Ninja townread gave him away?
Luca was pretty much tunneled on Oats, who flipped town. And this is probably the worst post in his ISO:In post 3768, Luca Blight wrote: I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Ok, then I call bullshit vivax.In post 4266, Vivax wrote:
It's not about the hammer. What was bothering me on the reread was that you spent more time arguing on why Oats was town, among other things, over pushing gob over the edge. I am not used to this passivity from you, but it would make more sense given that we're offsite.In post 4264, DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax, was this actually a legit read from you?In post 4253, DarthPunk wrote:
You realise he got hammered while I was asleep right?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
Luca's first post in the context of this Dann NK was spot on.
And you did end up with Hu Tao on gob at the end of the day, which is a convenient optic if you're both mafia.
I'm good with taking this day slowly and see what everyone finds.
If you read that section of the day, then you would know that I had said that I wanted to use the full time, talk to OOO and I was directly concerned about exactly what happened, which was a quick hammer and an OOO nk without him posting up to date reads.
Why would I hard push a yeet when we had 3-4 days left and I specifically wanted to talk to OOO?
I am pretty sure the last thing I said before everyone yeeted oates was that I didn't want to yeet anyone right now.
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I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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It was gob.In post 4271, Vivax wrote:
So you are saying that you just couldn't bake your posts out in time to be more determined? Fair enough I suppose.In post 4270, DarthPunk wrote:
Ok, then I call bullshit vivax.In post 4266, Vivax wrote:
It's not about the hammer. What was bothering me on the reread was that you spent more time arguing on why Oats was town, among other things, over pushing gob over the edge. I am not used to this passivity from you, but it would make more sense given that we're offsite.In post 4264, DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax, was this actually a legit read from you?In post 4253, DarthPunk wrote:
You realise he got hammered while I was asleep right?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
Luca's first post in the context of this Dann NK was spot on.
And you did end up with Hu Tao on gob at the end of the day, which is a convenient optic if you're both mafia.
I'm good with taking this day slowly and see what everyone finds.
If you read that section of the day, then you would know that I had said that I wanted to use the full time, talk to OOO and I was directly concerned about exactly what happened, which was a quick hammer and an OOO nk without him posting up to date reads.
Why would I hard push a yeet when we had 3-4 days left and I specifically wanted to talk to OOO?
I am pretty sure the last thing I said before everyone yeeted oates was that I didn't want to yeet anyone right now.
So are you just making this shit up or what?
Would you remind me, who did quickhammer Oats in the end? Including the E-2 vote. Because if you cared about it then, shouldn't you care about it now?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Im saying that oats got yeeted, while I was asleep, after having specifically stated I wanted to use the full time.In post 4271, Vivax wrote:
So you are saying that you just couldn't bake your posts out in time to be more determined? Fair enough I suppose.In post 4270, DarthPunk wrote:
Ok, then I call bullshit vivax.In post 4266, Vivax wrote:
It's not about the hammer. What was bothering me on the reread was that you spent more time arguing on why Oats was town, among other things, over pushing gob over the edge. I am not used to this passivity from you, but it would make more sense given that we're offsite.In post 4264, DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax, was this actually a legit read from you?In post 4253, DarthPunk wrote:
You realise he got hammered while I was asleep right?In post 4252, Vivax wrote: The Dann kill clears most of my suspicions regarding Ninja and Luca.
I'm eyeing Hu Tao + DP now.
Hu Tao mostly because of her D1. I think that in the context of what I now know to have been a lot of townies and gob scum, her posts struck me as very noncommittal when there was a lot to talk about.
DP because on the day Oats got limmed, he was rather passive about it. Meaning, he had gob as lock mafia and Oats he said would have had to be supermafia for him to believe he was mafia, basically. Either way, I didn't see a lot of conviction on his part.
Luca's first post in the context of this Dann NK was spot on.
And you did end up with Hu Tao on gob at the end of the day, which is a convenient optic if you're both mafia.
I'm good with taking this day slowly and see what everyone finds.
If you read that section of the day, then you would know that I had said that I wanted to use the full time, talk to OOO and I was directly concerned about exactly what happened, which was a quick hammer and an OOO nk without him posting up to date reads.
Why would I hard push a yeet when we had 3-4 days left and I specifically wanted to talk to OOO?
I am pretty sure the last thing I said before everyone yeeted oates was that I didn't want to yeet anyone right now.
So are you just making this shit up or what?
Would you remind me, who did quickhammer Oats in the end? Including the E-2 vote. Because if you cared about it then, shouldn't you care about it now?
That is really clear in my posts, so why does that not make it in to your analysis?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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That was blatant setting me/someone from TL up when he flipped imo. Its one of the things that set my alarm bells off at the time.In post 4269, Vivax wrote:
Made me think of you tbh.In post 4265, DarthPunk wrote:
I am basically assuming Dann was a blue snipe or a respect kill from someone who is familiar with him. He is apparently a very strong player on this site.In post 4263, Vivax wrote: Maybe I should stick to Luca despite the Dannflor kill. It just seems like an unlikely pick for Luca if he's mafia here. Dannflor wasn't really threatening to anyone in particular. Maybe the Ninja townread gave him away?
Luca was pretty much tunneled on Oats, who flipped town. And this is probably the worst post in his ISO:In post 3768, Luca Blight wrote: I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it.
That comment by gob with his little birdies chirping about your capabilities still nags at the back of my head.
You can brag in here, not in scum chat, don't be a stranger.
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Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?In post 4277, Vivax wrote:And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.
I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.
I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.
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So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?
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Yes.In post 4279, Vivax wrote:
Do you mean the Roden JK dumbtell? Or another one?In post 4278, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think Nearys could fake not knowing who the NK was when if she was scum she would 100 percent know?In post 4277, Vivax wrote:And the E-1 was Naerys.
I don't see it as clear cut that she's town as you do. That gob would hammer is obvious, but why don't you question who made it possible? I also put him at -1 then unvoted to get more info.
I'd even go so far as to say that this might just be one of those games where mafia just chilled while we self destructed and made ourselves look worse by being too active.
I'm still undecided, anyway. More reading, less writing.
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Grack and Luca haven't had the chance to post in over 4 days. interested in their positions right now."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I don't follow, can you link the posts?In post 4283, Vivax wrote:
I'd say that's unpredictable. Neither likely nor unlikely. What I do think unlikely is that me, Oats and Ninja had one scum when we were off wagon during gob vs you and gob vs Oats.In post 4280, DarthPunk wrote:So vivax, in your HT and DP scum team world, you think that only mafia are on gob here and only town yeeted Oats?
That seems really unlikely no?
Like in that wagon analysis that I posted to say that me and Oats could never be scum together like Luca was claiming.
Luca was claiming that I didn't want either and Oats wanted gob, but somehow me and Oats were partnered.
It only doesn't make sense when I'm not town. But it made sense to me because I am."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.In post 4285, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4272, DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now.
Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?
Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.
Therfore, it's not alignment indicative."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yeah ok I agree with all of that.
I need to read Luca and grack again, because by looking at the wagons I think I am probably wrong on mafia HT."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.In post 4291, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4286, DarthPunk wrote:
It's easy to take a position on the game that is 'correct' as both alignments.In post 4285, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4272, DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think that was alignment indicative.In post 4268, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Why does a scum Hu Tao tell people not to give reads yesterday before yeeting Gob, correctly determining that it could only help scum team strategize their kill? Why not just keep their mouth shut?In post 4262, DarthPunk wrote: Basically I want to lim HT right now.
Why wouldn't it be? It directly affects the strategy of the game. How could that not be alignment-indicative? There's nothing to learn from that at all?
Ergo, it is likely HT would say something like that if she believed it to be true as either alignment.
Therfore, it's not alignment indicative.
Don't you read anything into WHY a person would say it? Like, walk me through the scum thought process here. Talk me through how a scum decides on this as the right thing to say,assuming they are aware that they are screwing themselves over strategically by saying it.
There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I think Vivax is town.In post 4288, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4261, DarthPunk wrote:
I have Nearys and Ninja as lock town. I think HT/Luca, HT/Grack, HT/Vivax all make sense in some way.In post 4260, Vivax wrote:
That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.In post 4034, Grackaroni wrote: Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.
It's really going to bolster my reputation.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.
Hu Tao and ???
Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?
What about Grack / Vivax?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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lol, how should I respond to this Ninja?In post 4295, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?
I don't know why vivax would try to scum read me if he was town. He needs me right now, cause there is some pressure ITT but he is just scumhunting, trying to figure out the game.
I mean some of his takes are like WTF. But I see natural suspicion and thinking going on even if I don;t agree with the conclusions."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yes, but there is equity on both sides of the play here for town.In post 4297, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4294, DarthPunk wrote: Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.
Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?
There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.
But you do understand why reads lists at that point in time are helpful, right?
I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one, I am revisiting my read on HT anyway."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yeah you should post a case if you think there is something I missed that makes him mafia.In post 4298, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4296, DarthPunk wrote: I think Vivax is town.
Okay. If I spend an inordinate amount of time showing you all of his inconsistencies, will you change your mind? Because I'm pretty content to spend the next few real-time days making that case, showing you all the weird stuff he has done. Vivax doesn't seem interested in explaining any of the stuff I've brought up to him, so I guess I'll just toss it to you instead since you think Vivax is town.
Are you looking forward to having to explain a litany of hard-to-explain shit that he has done?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.In post 4303, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4300, DarthPunk wrote:
Yes, but there is equity on both sides of the play here for town.In post 4297, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4294, DarthPunk wrote: Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.
Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?
There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.
But you do understand why reads lists at that point in time are helpful, right?
I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one, I am revisiting my read on HT anyway.
If you were only going to answer one of my two questions, I would have rather it been the first."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yeah ok that makes sense. I think you getting cleared by Dann was a game changer tbh.In post 4302, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4299, DarthPunk wrote:
lol, how should I respond to this Ninja?In post 4295, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?
I don't know why vivax would try to scum read me if he wastown. He needs me right now, cause there is some pressure ITT but he is just scumhunting, trying to figure out the game.
I mean some of his takes are like WTF. But I see natural suspicion and thinking going on even if I don;t agree with the conclusions.
The bolded part, I'm going to assume you meant to say scum.
The answer is because he doesn't have anyone left to scum read.
He is scum, but he needs 2 scumspects. He can't choose me because Dannflor cleared me. And if we're content to think that, he can't choose Naerys either for picking up on what Dannflor said. He doesn't really want to make a case on Grack since that's probably his scum partner. And clearly he's not going to admit to being scum himself. That rules out 4 of our remaining 7, so he's only got a pool of 3 from which he has to draw 2 scum: you, HT, and Luca. You're really going to tell me you're surprised he is scum reading you when he has so few choices?
His takes are WTF because he's scum. It's as simple as that.
Well I could also see Luca and Grack.
I think Grack is the most likely to be mafia assuming HT is town.
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I don't think his read on dann was that strong at that part of the game though.In post 4307, SuperfluousNinja wrote: @Darth
Why does Town Vivax sheep onto Dannflor's big case on me,so soon after he placed Dannflor in his scum pool?And then later be all "eh, it's kinda NAI"? How did he go from "waiter, I'll have what he's having" to that?
In post 427, Vivax wrote: Dannflor's big case on superfluousninja (which totally isn't some random generated amongus name) appears attractive.
His two follow up posts have that certain satisfied nailed it vibe so he can be town.
I think that perhaps he was holding back from calling those things out initially for some reason, maybe they have some history of playing together and he wanted to give superflous some room to post before deciding to push her.
Waiter, I'll have what he's having.In post 849, Vivax wrote: His case on Ninja was impressive but big flashy posts can be scum indicative as well."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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We don't interact and we spend another 2 days at night?In post 4309, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4304, DarthPunk wrote: The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.
I don't follow, how does this general feeling stem specifically from Hu Tao asking people not to give their reads?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?In post 941, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.
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She is advocating for a break in the game.In post 4314, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.In post 4312, DarthPunk wrote:
We don't interact and we spend another 2 days at night?In post 4309, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4304, DarthPunk wrote: The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.
I don't follow, how does this general feeling stem specifically from Hu Tao asking people not to give their reads?
I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?""If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Ok well in my heuristics of playing mafia, the comment lands broadly in the range of the above which means I don't think it makes HT more likely to be town than mafia in any way.In post 4317, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4315, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?In post 941, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.
No, I don't. Talking about meta game analysis is filler. Hu Tao's comment in that specific situation had a very clear purpose and intent."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Well this is never going to work lol, aside from her saying whatever it is that will make her town in this scenario. And she would do that as both alignments.In post 4322, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4316, DarthPunk wrote:
She is advocating for a break in the game.In post 4314, SuperfluousNinja wrote: You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.
I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?"
I think you're putting words in her mouth when you say that. You are phrasing this as if to say that the real message Hu Tao wanted to convey with that comment was something along the lines of "gosh I'm tired, let's take a break" or something like that.
How about this: it's stupid of the two of us to try and ascertain what Hu Tao was trying to say when Hu Tao can tell us themselves. I'll put the ball in their court and leave it at that.
@Hu Tao, was your comment about not giving reads, was that anything to do with some general sense of malaise, as Darth is arguing it is, or was it something else?
FWIW I am not saying that comment makes her mafia, I am just saying it doesn't make her town.
it's just that I can see reasons for both Mafia!HT and Town!HT to make that post."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Do you think she is not cleared?In post 4318, Vivax wrote:Fire support for OoO . Same way we attempted to go after Luca D1.
But also cause the way you acted surprised about Dunn getting wagoned as if he was so obviously town made me go scumscum on you.
Do link a scum game of yours please. I'm curious if you're as hyperactive in such a case."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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here is what I was saying to be very clear.In post 4325, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4320, DarthPunk wrote:
Ok well in my heuristics of playing mafia, the comment lands broadly in the range of the above which means I don't think it makes HT more likely to be town than mafia in any way.In post 4317, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4315, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?In post 941, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.
No, I don't. Talking about meta game analysis is filler. Hu Tao's comment in that specific situation had a very clear purpose and intent.
Then your heuristics are wrong. There is strategy to consider and your heuristics are just tossing them out the window. It doesn't even sound to me like you even understand what they're trying to say! You made up some stuff about malaise that doesn't even seem to apply.
1.) HT made a comment about not posting further to give away reads.
2.) You say that comment can only come from town/makes her town
3.) I say that I don' think it is alignment indicative meaning I can see the town reason to post that and the mafia reason
4.) you say that I am wrong and to explain why mafia says that
5.) I give two reasons
a.) to post about something that is true regardless of alignment and seems sensible
b.) to shut down discussion and contribute to townie disengagement
6.) you say I am putting words in her mouth (even though you asked me specifically to state what the mafia purpose behind was)
7.) I continue to say that I think the post could come from town or scum HT."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I can see the logic here, which is why I think the post is NAI, rather than scummyIn post 4329, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4324, DarthPunk wrote: it's just that I can see reasons for both Mafia!HT and Town!HT to make that post.
Here's the thing: I can too, it's just that one alignment doing it is far, far stupider than the other alignment doing it.
Scum telling people to please not help us with our night kill is just straight-up stupid. It might give a person some town points to say it, but when a person exchanges a few town points for some really terrible strategy and shooting themselves in the foot,especially right after their teammate is getting killed, I have a disproportionately difficult time believing that's something scum would actually want to do.
And you can see the logic for scum doing it too, which is why it's NAI.
If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.
I can see it means something for you, it doesn't mean the same thing for me.
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ninja, unless you think this is meaningful in some way for my alignment, can I suggest we just agree to disagree?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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In post 4333, SuperfluousNinja wrote:But you are indeed assigning it to something about malaise when there's no reason to think it's about malaise.
You have thoroughly confused me by bringing the malaise thing up. I just don't get that at all, sorry.
Hu Tao, were you concerned about malaise at all?
Maybe I used the wrong word?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I think that is a good point, but (wifom) that might be a reason to post that as mafia.In post 4337, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4332, DarthPunk wrote: If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.
No, we cannot, because you still need to give consideration for how much more stupid it would be for one side to say it than the other."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Disengagment?In post 4339, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4336, DarthPunk wrote:In post 4333, SuperfluousNinja wrote:But you are indeed assigning it to something about malaise when there's no reason to think it's about malaise.
You have thoroughly confused me by bringing the malaise thing up. I just don't get that at all, sorry.
Hu Tao, were you concerned about malaise at all?
Maybe I used the wrong word?
Well, throw some other words out there then, but I tend to think that anything that's even malaise-tangent is still way off the mark."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yeah ok, I agree with that.In post 4343, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4340, DarthPunk wrote:
I think that is a good point, but (wifom) that might be a reason to post that as mafia.In post 4337, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4332, DarthPunk wrote: If we can agree that both town and mafia can have reasons to post that, can we just agree to disagree that it means something for their Alignment or not.
No, we cannot, because you still need to give consideration for how much more stupid it would be for one side to say it than the other.
Darth, like I already said before, I acknowledge the fact that a mafia can "score some points" by saying it. I do see what you're saying here. They score some points for saying it.
But you have to consider two things:
1) Hu Tao was not in a position where they suddenly needed to drop "please read me town" material; there was no heat on them
2) It's strategically terrible, and that is way, way more important here."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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you should join us for a game sometime tho, your ability to post huge amounts would fit in well.In post 4348, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4347, Hu Tao wrote: I'm so lost. Aren't you from the same website as the rest of them?
Nope!"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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if Vivax is town I think its Luca-grack btw."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Me too, for about 3 months.In post 4350, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Oh I'm done with mafia after this. Good grief."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yeah it's a good pickup.In post 4355, Vivax wrote: Come on, mafia isn't so bad. Imagine having to talk to people all day. Writing is much better.
I was voting oats already before Gob's claim. Oats has always been my stronger scumread
Now, what's wrong with this?I'll let oats hammer and claim that precious towncred. He's gonna need it."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I am scared of this and I am taking what you say seriously as you are basically cleared.In post 4358, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Town misreads town as scum in a game of mafia, more at 11!
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Cause his reads and actions don’t alignIn post 4361, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4359, DarthPunk wrote:
I am scared of this and I am taking what you say seriously as you are basically cleared.In post 4358, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Town misreads town as scum in a game of mafia, more at 11!
Otherwise I would have voted already.
For real, why do you think this means something? How many townies have incorrectly voted to yeet town in this game so far? Why is this one instance of Luca doing it so notable?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Yeah they both have to shift their game view post oats flip, so good to have them commit to something first"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Part of me feels like mafia had to break up the oats-dp-ooo town circle"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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No, not really.In post 4366, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4362, DarthPunk wrote:
Cause his reads and actions don’t alignIn post 4361, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4359, DarthPunk wrote:
I am scared of this and I am taking what you say seriously as you are basically cleared.In post 4358, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Town misreads town as scum in a game of mafia, more at 11!
Otherwise I would have voted already.
For real, why do you think this means something? How many townies have incorrectly voted to yeet town in this game so far? Why is this one instance of Luca doing it so notable?
Are you concerned at all that the guy you are sheeping posted those quotes in the wrong order, or that he didn't tell you how many posts were inbetween, so that you wouldn't get a sense of how much time and how much post material he had to change his mind?
Luca said oats was always his bigger scum read and that he also thought gob could be mafia tracker .
Then why does he Think his strongest scum read would hammer his buddy?
Why would he not hammer his other scum read?
All of those are fair questions that vivax is pointing to."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Can you explain why you are so certain Luca is town.In post 4369, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Look, if you are content to let Vivax play you like a fiddle, I guess I don't need to intervene. Hu Tao, Naerys, Luca and myself can handle the game from here so I don't really see much value in trying to get through to you at this point."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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I thought I was a lock town read ? If that is the case why would it not be in your best interest to explain why I am wrong and you are right?In post 4381, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4370, DarthPunk wrote:
Can you explain why you are so certain Luca is town.In post 4369, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Look, if you are content to let Vivax play you like a fiddle, I guess I don't need to intervene. Hu Tao, Naerys, Luca and myself can handle the game from here so I don't really see much value in trying to get through to you at this point.
I'm sorry man but at this point of the game I just don't trust you anymore. You're either scum or you're too clouded by whatever history you have with Vivax to see what I think is pretty obvious scum behavior on his part. I don't think I can work with you and I don't think it's productive for me or town at this point.
I'm going to stick with working with Hu Tao / Naerys / Luca and work from there."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Ninja being cleared has a different kind of energy lol."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Ninja, does it help you take me more seriously if I told you I am probably one of the best readers of Vivax on TL."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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