Also, why are you so hardcore think they are scum?In post 1763, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:I don't wanna talk to you. I want your headIn post 1762, Sunflower wrote:im not scum i just wanna talk to youIn post 1760, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I don't have to exert energy or try super hard to win this game.
My reads are rock solid.
You can kill me but you won't because you and Kyoko need me as an elimination.
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Lol, not for SunflowerIn post 1765, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
you're my doublevoterIn post 1764, Von Payne wrote:
Hey hey, we are all friends here at The Von Payne showIn post 1763, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I don't wanna talk to you. I want your headIn post 1762, Sunflower wrote:
im not scum i just wanna talk to youIn post 1760, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I don't have to exert energy or try super hard to win this game.
My reads are rock solid.
You can kill me but you won't because you and Kyoko need me as an elimination.
Save the murder for the day time lol
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We will see about thatIn post 1769, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
For KyokoIn post 1768, Von Payne wrote:
Lol, not for SunflowerIn post 1765, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
you're my doublevoterIn post 1764, Von Payne wrote:
Hey hey, we are all friends here at The Von Payne showIn post 1763, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I don't wanna talk to you. I want your headIn post 1762, Sunflower wrote:
im not scum i just wanna talk to youIn post 1760, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I don't have to exert energy or try super hard to win this game.
My reads are rock solid.
You can kill me but you won't because you and Kyoko need me as an elimination.
Save the murder for the day time lol
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Hol up.....In post 1774, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I want to remind you that Frozen Angel, aka, Kyoko, only tryhards and pulls out all of the stops when her team, or herself, is in danger.
What do you think that Hu Tao case was?
If she didn't do something, well you have a cw on Sunflower, you have people willing to go to Aureal whenever they want. There could have realistically been a wolf elimination during that day.
Kyoko is Frozen Angel?
But if you are correct here about Kyo's case on Hu, that is compelling
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I can see Kyo tryharding to make sure Hu is the lim, from what I can see in that little stretch(pages 25 to 27, 28) she made two wall posts(which I do understand since we had the post restriction), but it was to just make Hu look bad(and yes that is an oversimplified description of her posting, but we also have the benefit of hindsight).In post 1790, Sunflower wrote: kyoko is frozen angel yes
second half of page 26 into page 27 is recommended reading
Especially since Hu mentioned she is not one to make big wall posts......how do you fight back against this when the heat is already on you?
I am buying Ali's case on Kyo here, though I will say I was mainky skimming to see if what Ali wa saying was plausible
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In post 1795, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Inaction is action and can accomplish wolf goals.
The best wolves will only respond to situations when the ball is in their court.
Speculate on their role openly please. If they're shot within these last 2 hours, that is good for village.
Allow me to be Drew here for a momentIn post 1796, Sunflower wrote: i think most people probably have the same idea but i also don't really see how that would be helpful in any way to do here
But do you think there is anything to them adamantly not wanting to be a part of this hood?
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In post 1807, Sunflower wrote:
wasn't gonna comment on it but since night is almost over i will say this phrasing choice has been kinda bugging me and i will feel silly later if i don't at least say somethingIn post 1735, Von Payne wrote: Top of my head I don't remember if she gave reasoning per se, but I didn't disagree with it(we haven't talked a whole bunch of strategy, but I will check the chat to see if she talked about this vote brb)
Why though?
You don't talk with Jupiter how you are going about things, how you will navigate around certain slots......or maybe who to invite to your overnight talk show?(which also has been a last minute choice haha). That is what I would call talking strategy.
How am I supposed to describe interactions with Black?
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I was speaking in generalities, we haven't talked that much strategy outside of who we want in our hood........and maybe bouncing a few reads off each otherIn post 1815, Sunflower wrote: @drew, i think there are things that you could call strategy but since that was specifically about a relatively emotion/read driven point where black was just emphasizing that she really wanted hu tao limmed, i don't feel like the label applies in that context
i think it's not really a big point for me, it just was stuck on my brain
And if anything Black has been more passive and let me steer the ship in regards to both, which she has even hinted at
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So why aren't you voting them now?In post 1823, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I'm literally not voting any other players this day that aren't kyoko btw. I'm keeping my vote on her until she dies. If its me vs them in Final whatever, I'm voting her immediately
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Did you even read the hood where I explained why I pivoted off of Prism because they said they wouldn't be around at night?In post 1846, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: They sepcifically chose a slot they were hard core keeping at null all game and refused to talk about few times asked over an almost universal townread who asked for it yes
and they were hinting they want aureal in night 1 before we knew the guilty on aureal, probably to set it up easier
And I am keeping my specific read on catgirl close to the chest for a reason, but it isn't because I think they are scum.
And sorry I couldn't force them to post more on night to grill them more, they essentially weren't active until Ali went off at the end of the night, and I did start to question them on things since j disagreed with them pushing on sunflower, and I wanted them to further their read on you when they brought it up
And if you couldn't tell, and again I mentioned it at night, Black and I haven't really talked about what we are separately going to do, we just kinda have been doing our own thing, you kinda are treating us as one brain here.....even when signed by different heads.
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I'm getting vague townie vibes from Prism but nothing substantial. He's closer to null for me so of course I want to reevaluate himIn post 1858, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: also you said you and black both wanted prism in initially as you both townread them, then why black posted about reevaluating prism in light of aureal flip and where did that go?
We thought he could be useful until he said he wasn't going to be around much
In post 1860, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: This is getting super confusing to follow. Just tell me here why did you neighborize cat, what was the goal, whats your individuals read on the slot and how you developed it
We have certain theories about our role that we don't want to discuss but there are reasons for our choices that you don't need to know about. I have mixed feelings about Catgirl personally but thought they would be a decent choice
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Just ignore it please. Either I'm scum trying to towntell or I'm town that legit didn't realizeIn post 1862, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Should I believe you dont know prism is killed last night?
I thought we already said that we didn't choose Prism because he wasn't going to be aroundIn post 1862, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: My question was what happened to reeval you wanted to do on them during night?
I'm not avoiding it. I don't have a good read there. I lean slightly town based on gut but it's closer to nullIn post 1862, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: you still avoided dropping a read on catgirl.
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Drew and I both agree kyouko is probably scum here trying to purposely make this seem more complicated than it actually is in order to shade it
It doesn't feel like she's trying to sort us with this line of questioning. It feels more like she's trying to catch us in some gotcha that doesn't exist. We have valid reasons for everything we've done
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Night ended and it is still The Von Payne Show lol, now featuring the summer formally known as Frozen AngelIn post 1870, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: tbh I like these last few posts though. The entire build up that I questioned about is still same, but what you answered about it and how you reacted to me questioning it feels somewhat consistent with that,
so I'm getting very so slightly a cold feet.
Kyo, maybe you are just confused since Black and I are somewhat doing things on our own here, and then maybe talking about it. So some of our individual reads may seem a bit 'not exactly on the same page'.
Though, I feel like we both are towny on Chipotle, with me probably more so than Black....and honestly was probably the case with Prism as well.
Black also did hint at it as was, to be as mysterious as Black was lol, there also is potentially a reason we(and especially me) town read Chipotle, and it does relate to why we hooded them(outside of knowing it would annoy Maria haha).
You have an issue we didn't grill them enough, that is kinda fair since I would have liked more interaction with them, but like I said before I can't force them to participate in The Von Payne Show. But I did try to interact with them more and the end of the night when they were having the back and forth with Sunflower, which I think was good for the game state.
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I love how direct and to the point you are Ali lolIn post 1889, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
How about you throw your read away and you sheep meIn post 1888, ActionDan wrote: Thread locked before I could post, but I took the time to reread Kirk's blessedly compact iso, thoughts below:
Rereading Kiri throughly now doesn't change my initial read after her Hu Tao case. That is still town. For the Hu case itself I remember catgirls describe it as cold and analytical but I still don't have that impression, it does have heart. I also do not see much to criticize Day 2. The focus on players pretty much dropped to just Von and Catgirls but I think that's very understandable as Kiri playing defensively in response to scumreads by both and having previous questions/concerns with either slot that clearly ballooned. I dont see how their posts and progression more likely would come from scum than town.
Will reread SR next.
Also as an aside I thought Gimli got very comfortable reading me as locktown for no good reason really and was thinking he might have been scum afterall. But am curious to hear why he went the other way for you Catgirl.
Still don't have a particularly strong scum suspect. I will be Isoing one by one.
But Dan, what do you think about how Ali said Kyo gets like that when Kyo is scum?
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Woah, did you steal some of my whiskey last night? You are ready to fightIn post 1893, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Unless you think you're just a better player than me?
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This does read as fence sittyIn post 1904, ActionDan wrote:
My memory of FA is a bit foggy but if I recall they were frequently a fade as town and scum and I am surprised they are Kiri because Kiri's play here regardless of alignment is rather sophisticated. So I suppose I am curious to learn more, and see what Ali is talking about with pulling all the stops etc in support of their scummates or even what it means to not lose wolf games in contextIn post 1894, Von Payne wrote:
I love how direct and to the point you are Ali lolIn post 1889, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
How about you throw your read away and you sheep meIn post 1888, ActionDan wrote: Thread locked before I could post, but I took the time to reread Kirk's blessedly compact iso, thoughts below:
Rereading Kiri throughly now doesn't change my initial read after her Hu Tao case. That is still town. For the Hu case itself I remember catgirls describe it as cold and analytical but I still don't have that impression, it does have heart. I also do not see much to criticize Day 2. The focus on players pretty much dropped to just Von and Catgirls but I think that's very understandable as Kiri playing defensively in response to scumreads by both and having previous questions/concerns with either slot that clearly ballooned. I dont see how their posts and progression more likely would come from scum than town.
Will reread SR next.
Also as an aside I thought Gimli got very comfortable reading me as locktown for no good reason really and was thinking he might have been scum afterall. But am curious to hear why he went the other way for you Catgirl.
Still don't have a particularly strong scum suspect. I will be Isoing one by one.
But Dan, what do you think about how Ali said Kyo gets like that when Kyo is scum?
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What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
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I don't think your solve is fully correctIn post 1920, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I have to be like thisIn post 1919, Von Payne wrote: What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
Sunflower is town
But my finger is definitely on the trigger and pressed against Kyo's head though
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You keep repeating this. It's such a weak reason to think we are scum together and I don't think town pushes this point as hard as you are pushing itIn post 1926, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: I have been thinking and rereading and i still dont get what was vons reason for taking catgirl in public neighborhood. They hint on having a secret reason and for it not being related to solve the slot with conversations and questions which i dont get.
Otherwise what is the point of neighborizing a null town lean read that you repeatedly call them possibly pocketing you.
It makes more sense if its all bs and they are just both scum not wanting to enable night chat for any town.
If you were paying attention to my reads (which you should be doing if you think I'm scum) then you'd realize we didn't have a lot of options for recruiting as far as townreads go
And fine, I'll go ahead and reveal one of our hidden reasons. I don't think it'll really impact much
We think we can potentially prevent Bad Dreams from performing Night actions by forcing them to stay awake. Prism and Catgirls both expressed that they didn't want to be recruited. I had a tinfoil that maybe one of them could be scum trying to make sure they can utilize their ability by not being recruited
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In post 1963, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I need Von to explain because do youthinkyou have some of hidden action? If so, why?
Or are you just saying youdohave that power?
How long have you been thinking this? Since game start? N1? etc.
Because if either of these were the case why would you do it on two slots you've openly said you TR? Why would you block there? I'm confused.In post 1964, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: They just explained that as the hidden reason why they chose you in night 2.
Nothing in our role PM said we have this ability, it has just been a working theory that Black am I have shared my based of the flavor and theme of the game(and popped into my head after randomly thinking about nightmare on elm street lol).In post 1966, Silver Ravens wrote: Von Payne, what makes you think your role would prevent the bad dreamers from acting at night? Surely your role tells you what it does, is there some confusion?
Bad dreams can't get you if you are awake at night
We don't know how kooky of a theory it is, but that is where our headspace is at
Inb4 'still should have hooded Prism them'....which is fair, but wanted someone active(and I have thought we are more protective while Black is more we prevent bad dreams night actions)
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I was first to think we might be a protective role, I also can usually figure out Aureal when she is town, and I thought the town slipped on D1 and convinced Black that I was right about Aureal. It was after this that Black started to theorize that maybe we are a more JK role.In post 1979, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
This is the post btw. The ones they nade night 1. It screamed like a fake concern to me. Knowing the guilty later and now that we saw aureal flip, it stood out to me as a fake attempt to set aureal up as potntial future night recuit.In post 986, Von Payne wrote:
Oh crap what if I killed Aureal by saying thisIn post 978, Von Payne wrote: Thank you for being our first guests and for taking your shoes off before you came in
I kinda want to recruit Aureal tomorrow. Not only is she probably town but I think she'll keep the vibes mellow ya know
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Quick somebody scumread Aureal
Now it has another layer, cause aureal was their second highest tr and tgey say they theorized it role blocks people
Part of the reason we chose Catgirl was that we think they knew about our potential ability(when I am home on my laptop I can find the posts they made that made me think this), so I started to town read them since it felt like they were reaching out to us, and why would scum keep us alive knowing this.
Black wasn't so convinced and thought they had scum equity, so in lieu of not choosing Prism, catgirl seemed like a good middle ground and 'cover all your basis's sort of choice for our hood.
Also, how would we ask the mod about something that Black and I are only theorizing?
'Hey Mod, can you confirm that this theory we have about our role that you made no mention of in our role PM?'
Do you really think they would answer??
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This was the post that made us think Catgirl had the same idea about our role as we didIn post 1296, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I think you are a prime night kill targetIn post 1294, Prism wrote: I'm not in opposition to it but I still don't understand why I am the top candidate for the neighborhood. That is something I envision Alisae and Maria wanting for themselves, not for me.
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Kirigiri is going berserk over this and I'm not believing it at all
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We were thinking it was a side-effect of our role that we weren't supposed to know about. Asking the mod wouldn't do us any goodIn post 1951, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: and I don't believe your possible jail keep/roleblock theory. how could you have this "suspicion" about how your role supposedly works and not ask mod about it?
I'm notoriously awful when it comes to balance so it never occurred to me that it might not make senseIn post 1951, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: also that role makes absolutely no sense design wise as town. that is a mass jailkeep in addition to night enabling. what the fuck
We started off by thinking we had a protective role. I was the one that had the roleblocking theory and it was a pretty recent developmentIn post 1951, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: also why the fuck you went for sunflower your highest town read night 1 if that was the case?
It makes complete sense, but yet again you are making things up and twisting our words in order to make us look bad. You're not trying to sort usIn post 1951, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: NOTHING makes sense with your claim and play
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We targeted Catgirl for a few reasons. The roleblocking thing was barely one of them. I don't even think Drew was really on board with that idea, it was mainly something I was theorizing and an extra incentive to target CatgirlIn post 1962, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: BOTH heads specifically said they were null town leaning catgirl. Thats not a slot you get for potential blocking. That is not the way you treat a null read after public neighboring them
We didn't even think about the roleblocking aspect N1In post 1962, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: That is not what you do to your highest town read on night 1 either
If it's impossible that there is an aspect to our role that we don't know about then that's our bad. Like I said I'm not great with balance, I'm not sure if Drew is or not but we both legit thought this could be possibleIn post 1962, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: This makes no sense action-wise. this makes no sense design-wise, this makes no sense cause he claims its ambiguous and they are not certain if it does it. You can't start the game unless confirming you know your role. this is not a bastard game
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We thought recruiting people would have a side-effect of protecting them. We were essentially keeping people awake which made us think they couldn't be harmed by Bad Dreams. How can someone have a Bad Dream if they don't go to sleep?In post 1963, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I need Von to explain because do youthinkyou have some of hidden action? If so, why?
Or are you just saying youdohave that power?
How long have you been thinking this? Since game start? N1? etc.
Because if either of these were the case why would you do it on two slots you've openly said you TR? Why would you block there? I'm confused.
Drew came up with this theory on 3/14. Our initial plan was to just recruit the towniest people and hope that scum would try to kill one which would hopefully prove or disprove our theory
Again, the block theory was presented by me a few days ago so we didn't have that in mind earlier in the game
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We thought this was a complex game and that it was possible we weren't told everything about our roleIn post 1966, Silver Ravens wrote: Von Payne, what makes you think your role would prevent the bad dreamers from acting at night? Surely your role tells you what it does, is there some confusion?
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We didn't think to ask the mod. I can't speak for Drew but I was under the impression that this type of thing was possible in games like this. I didn't even think the mod would be able to tell us if that was part of our roleIn post 1986, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: How can you suspect sonething being part of your role and not asking mod about it at all?
You said you were theorizing blocking not protecting litteraly last page. So what was it you were theorizing?
What were all reasons for choosing catgirl?
At first we were theorizing being a protective role. Then I had the thought that maybe if we kept a Bad Dream awake they wouldn't be able to do their bad dreamy stuff
We chose Catgirl because our first choice was going to be busy and we both felt somewhat good about Catgirl. Drew also found it funny that Maria didn't want to be recruited so that was part of it. I have shown some reluctance to townread Catgirl in our hydra PT because I think it's possible Ali could be trying to pocket me and I don't want to fall for it. My roleblocking thought made me feel better about recruiting them
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We've had the protective theory all along so we've made all of our decisions based on the idea that that could be part of our role. The roleblocking theory was something I came up with less than a week ago when we were discussing Prism/Catgirl/ydra all saying they don't want to be recruitedIn post 1989, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: So which was your theory when you chose the people you did?
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Drew came up with the theory during the first week of the game. He prefaced it with "this might be a Drew type thought" but honestly the theory made a lot of sense to me. Like I said, if it's mechanically impossible then that's just an oopsie on our partIn post 1990, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
Allow me to give BOTD for a moment here and assume this is a real. Where did you get this theory? Nothing in the game indicated it so I'm curious.In post 1987, Von Payne wrote:
We thought this was a complex game and that it was possible we weren't told everything about our roleIn post 1966, Silver Ravens wrote: Von Payne, what makes you think your role would prevent the bad dreamers from acting at night? Surely your role tells you what it does, is there some confusion?
Can you tell me how long you had this thought? Early on? D1? D2? etc.
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Ok scumIn post 1998, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: I cant belive this story. Im sorry if by 0.01% chance im wrong.
Im not changing my vote
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Where did you get that reasoning from?In post 1999, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: There was nothing stated about the game being bastard I recall and having hidden powers is pretty up there on the bastard part.
It's not really the theory in itself I take issue with though, sure I can believe it. What I'm having trouble is even if everything you're saying is true your actions don't make sense to me considering you targetted two people you were townreading (or at the very least not scumreading) and the reasoning I saw was us saying "don't target me."
That's just odd in and of itself.
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I mean just read my posts. I laid it out pretty clearlyIn post 2000, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Hang on now I'm seeing two different theories one about protecting and one about role blocking what one are we basing this on now? zz
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What are you talking about?In post 2004, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
You're the one who said it.In post 2002, Von Payne wrote:
Where did you get that reasoning from?In post 1999, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: There was nothing stated about the game being bastard I recall and having hidden powers is pretty up there on the bastard part.
It's not really the theory in itself I take issue with though, sure I can believe it. What I'm having trouble is even if everything you're saying is true your actions don't make sense to me considering you targetted two people you were townreading (or at the very least not scumreading) and the reasoning I saw was us saying "don't target me."
That's just odd in and of itself.
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Like how could you possibly ignore the other reasons we recruited you/Sunflower and reach the conclusion that we wanted to roleblock ya'll? Are you even reading what we are saying?In post 2006, Von Payne wrote: What I'm having trouble is even if everything you're saying is true your actions don't make sense to me considering you targetted two people you were townreading (or at the very least not scumreading) and the reasoning I saw was us saying "don't target me."
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Yeah you should probably do more than just skim our posts. I explained this alreadyIn post 2009, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: You're basically saying you thought you were a hidden jailkeeper and are confused on why I find your target choice strange.
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In case I didn't make myself clear enough, Drew and I both thought the protective side-effect to our role was a possibility. We were never convinced about it but we did decide to just recruit people we thought were townie. Due to many reasons, neither of us had strong townreads going into N2, so we had to choose someone we just leaned town on. This was when the roleblocking theory surfaced. Again, neither of us were convinced this could be the case with our role, but for me personally it added an extra incentive to target Catgirls because I was still mostly unsure about them. If they are town maybe we protect them, if they are scum maybe we block them. It felt good to me
If you don't believe this, I'm sorry. I don't know how to explain our thought processes any better but I'll try if you have any questions
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Can you explain how our choices are out of touchIn post 2015, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I can't tell if Von truly not understanding how out of touch their choices are here is towny or wolfy.
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If we were scum why wouldn't we just flat out say our role has an extra protective and/or role blocking ability?In post 2011, Ydrasse wrote: i still feel that von panyes role is more elegant as a wolf one and i think the current conversation isn’t really doing a lot to dissuade that
i need to reread the flipped wolf role but it kind of feels like the power level in this game is wonky if it’s town idk
How would it benefit us, as scum, to talk about our theory of our role in the manner we have done?
Pre Edit: Ydra, it began simply when I was thinking about our role and the Bad Dreams.....nothing really to do with anything that happened in game.....but when Chipotle posted like they were thinking like I was thinking, made me feel that it was a real possibility
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I thought there could be unrevealed mechanics. The game seemed complex due to the setup so I didn't think it would be that crazy if we secretly protected the people we kept awakeIn post 2018, Ydrasse wrote: why would a mod not tell you your role in an explicitly non bastard game
I suck at balance and setup. This is a widely known fact
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We clearly don't know the boundariesIn post 2021, Ydrasse wrote: like idk this seems like a very weird place to end up as two people in a game where the boundaries of what is allowed is set and if you are town it makes it very hard imo to move past this for how rough it’s went down in thread
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I think the way I revealed our theories is what is seeming confusing. Looking back on it now I mentioned the roleblocking theory first but that was a recent development made by me. The protective theory was the prevalent one
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How does it make no sense to recruit people we townread if we think we might be able to protect them?In post 2025, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
With the theory you've presented and stated in the thread, your choices of 2 people you mostly townread or at least null make no sense at all. Even if we choose to believe everything else in what you've said. Like, you keep telling me to "read" but I am reading, multiple times.In post 2017, Von Payne wrote:
Can you explain how our choices are out of touchIn post 2015, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I can't tell if Von truly not understanding how out of touch their choices are here is towny or wolfy.
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I think we would have chosen to recruit townie people even if we weren't theorizing that we might be able to protect themIn post 2026, ActionDan wrote: I was prepared to let this go if the overwhelming motive for recruitment was based on wanting to talk to towny people over this possible whimsical theory based on no more than what we all can see, but some of the posting indicates leaning into it more than mere whimsical fantasy. Also clearly balance wise this would be overpowered, even a causal observer could figure that out. Offering this reason without vetting it is a rather unforced error though. I am tempted to declare this a wash
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The fact that I am having to repeat myself here lets me know you're not reading my postsIn post 2033, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
You say you did it for protectionIn post 1942, Von Payne wrote: We think we can potentially prevent Bad Dreams from performing Night actions by forcing them to stay awake. Prism and Catgirls both expressed that they didn't want to be recruited. I had a tinfoil that maybe one of them could be scum trying to make sure they can utilize their ability by not being recruited
but you also say this.
What one was it? Both?
Also if the roleblock theory was recent did that mean you went into the night assuming you were protecting Sunflower N1?
I explained why we recruited you in 1988
wrt Sunflower, we didn't assume we were protecting Sunflower but we thought it was a possibility
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I actually think the theory came after we recruited Sunflower
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Yep. I confused myself because at one point we switched from discord to a hydra PT and the theory is one of the first things we talked about in the hydra PT, but Drew actually proposed it after we had already recruited Sunflower
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I'm sorry if you feel insulted. You were asking me questions that had already been asked and wanting explanations that I already providedIn post 2042, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Shrug idk why I'm entertaining the idea of defending a slot who wants to just insult my reading comprehension every five seconds maybe I should just stop.
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I don't see how this couldn't come from town that is barely keeping up with the gameIn post 2045, Ydrasse wrote: beyond this i do dislike the way von payne went “oh aureal and hu both need more” before progressing to develop a scumread on the latter, admitted to not really reading aureals posting and then coming out with a townread that vanishes only after the hider crumb stuff
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It explains why I skimmed over Aureal's posting initially. When I finally read them I townread them. Of course that's going to vanish once someone gets a guilty on her
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I don't really think that makes us scum but it seems like you are looking for reasons so you do you I suppose
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I'm not going to be able to prove to you that it was a townie sequence, and I shouldn't have to prove to you that it couldpotentiallybe one because I know you've played games where townies get it wrong a lot
There's not much else I can say other than I've been lazy this game
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I think that was me that posted about Hu and Aureal.In post 2045, Ydrasse wrote: i mean wolf play isn’t always going to be perfect imo. sometimes a wolf goes ooh a chance to make it really seem like i’m a solving townie and then they add in a ton of details and little flairs that make them appear genuine. and then you have to add repairs when the flaws in your fake stories start to show
beyond this i do dislike the way von payne went “oh aureal and hu both need more” before progressing to develop a scumread on the latter, admitted to not really reading aureals posting and then coming out with a townread that vanishes only after the hider crumb stuff
(if i missed an important part of progression there that i need for context lmk i was ctrl f on me phone but that’s what i see it as)
I stated before that I can usually read her well as town, and I am starting to get to that point with Hu. The wagon was growing on Hu, and I did not see the townieness, so I hopped on board.
Aureal than made a post that to me was like 'classic townAureal', I even said as much in thread.
And I still was thinking town Aureal on d2, but there was strong evidence to the contrary with the hider thing
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I will bring up the post later, but the meta is that I just read her well when she is town.In post 2053, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Which aureal post was classic aureal post and provide tge meta you used to deduce it.
It is all vibes, she comes off very frustrated in a way I didn't think she could fake as scum, I was finally wrong about her lol
There, that is the meta
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Yes, The Von Payne Show can never die.....even if we do lolIn post 1976, Sunflower wrote: ok um well based on what i've seen catgirls is likely town may reread in full eventually.von payne if you guys die do we still get to post in thread at night. right
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Tbh, I never considered the bastard element of thinking we might have a protective/roleblocking role. As I said, I was just going with the theme of the game, and wondering exactly why we would have a hood that everyone can see, ie we are awake at night, ie those that are awake at night can't be affected by Bad Dreams, ie we are a protective role of sortsIn post 2038, Ydrasse wrote: idk the unfortunate aspect of this is that town can be this … This
but it’s hard to move past the fact two players who have been around for a while wouldn’t realize that role concealment is bastard maybe i expect too much of the average scummer to know this but… eh
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I will assume this is Ali, since no way Maria would say I am good player after the Union Busting game lolIn post 2015, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I can't tell if Von truly not understanding how out of touch their choices are here is towny or wolfy. Like if this is a wolf fakeclaim it's extremely sloppy. That then begs the question of why? You have multiple nights to justify or come up with a better fake claim and this is the end result? Drew is a good player and while I don't know enough about Black I'm going to assume she's fine enough that I wouldn't see this coming. Them saying "omg are you reading" isn't helpful either (when the irony is on them)
The counter point to this is there has to be so many leaps of logic you need to take for all of this to be well, true.
I can't speak for the interactions you had with Black earlier, truth is we didn't speak at all during all of this, we were kinda both responding in real time.
But, you definitely have first hand knowledge how I would handle a fake claim, and this ain't it.
Also, general question to the class, what exact scum motivation would we have to make this claim? A bulk of the suspicions of our claim is just that it is 'bad choices for the hood' or 'you know this isn't a bastard game right?'
You don't think we would have run it past our buddies first who would have explained this to us? Or better yet, chosen 'better' picks of people to hood?
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