Toriel's Patience (end)

[Taly]

Plus I feel like I initiate so much and wish people initiated with me

[Taly]

:/

[Taly]

taly im sorry if you're sad facing at me but i feel i have tried to engage with you before and ask you for more detail on certain reads and it has not been productive for me

the gamestate has changed, i might have different responses

[Taly]

Okay fair c yall later

[Taly]

I really wish I knew who Mandate was I think I have a good idea but I can't be sure and if I have a good idea then I would probably have to check again but even that's the case the guy probably is just mafia. either way just makes me think on the moment that flipping merlyn probably would not be a terrible idea as well.

So you're saying

Mandate/Merlyn

are SvS? They imploded as a team and just???

I'm not buying this.

Going on a spiel, I think that the only scum!implo world is where Meuh is also scum.
At least, based off my knowledge of scum!implo, he is more than likely to bus D1.
That being said, I think town!implo is much more likely.

This seems like a big jump though, especially since Freedom doesn’t seem to have an actual read on me

I'm saying that based off what I know of implo's scumgame and I'm leaning towards implo being town so it isn't really a read on you.

That's a very indirect nontake on

Meuh

...

[Taly]

I'm "unimpressed" with Meuh posts so far, nothing that makes me think she's town

She can argue it's for "nudging" but voting a slot she was previously townreading rather than one of the people in her PoE is just whacky to me

Feels like she's trying to explore wagon options

Happy keeping my vote there at the moment

She had half the plist including

implo

as null to my understanding, so I don't know if this justification holds much water.

[Taly]

I think I'm getting demotivated by the stream of replacements. Presumably it'll subside eventually.

VOTE: Dannflor
Way too strong of a push for how early this post is into the game

This is such a weird reason for a vote honestly. For a few reasons, one that I just don't think this is something that comes from scum more often and two that it wasn't really a strong push, it was answering a question from someone who asked so of course he's gonna give a lot of explanations if it's an early scumread on someone who has a lot of posts.

I keep waffling with Dann/Implo

Tbh, kinda don't like this from you right after Ali gives suspicion on us. Feels like a possible opportunistic jump in response to Mandate, the person who was hard townreading me and openly defending me, repping out and Ali starting to push me. Ditto Dann, Mandate wasn't defending him as hard as me but was saying he was villagery and iirc that people were silly for pushing him.

Do you see me doing any opportunistic jumping onto you or

Dunn

? And this isn't because of anything

Alisae

said FYI, I've already mentioned my own reasons for suspecting you both. Please read my posts.

[Taly]

I don't think my little break is done yet.

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

I think I'm okay with you now

Dann

My initial suspicion reason and paranoia have dissipated and are fruitless

[Taly]

So you're saying Mandate/Merlyn are SvS? They imploded as a team and just???

Idunno what it says about Mandate but Merlyn could be worth flipping ya they would maybe bus someone like that

You feel pretty different here than what I've experienced from you before.

I don't like this stance you have because it feels like you're positing why you should eliminate another slot based off the original slot you scumread which is either disingenuous or that you're treating flips as if they're meant for sorting...

[Taly]

implo

find a charitable perspective on me, thanks

[Taly]

I have no thoughts on

Freedom

and yet they're pretty active with posting which is a ping

[Taly]

Yeah townbinning

Dann

sounds like it realigns my POV a bit

[Taly]

Beeboy
Sannflor
Sakura Hana
Ydrasse
Random Nurse
Dunnstral
Keyleth

People I either strongly townread or do not want in my PoE D1

[Taly]

This game isn't as hard as I thought

[Taly]

I've stopped believing in alt hunts and meta from that

[Taly]

im gonna be honest taly i have not understood for one second this entire game why you suspect me

Tbf have I done anything that is readily understandable to most people? That's the impression I'm getting from this playerlist.

[Taly]

So you are

Rh9

?

[Taly]

I guess that defeats the purpose nevermind

[Taly]

I wish people were more liberal with their voting. It's hard to know where people stand with the voteparking.

VOTE: Alisae

I'm trying to reevaluate

implo

I'm just kind of frustrated with their approach toward my slot.

I wish

Dunn

was more present because I disagree with most of their original takes and it feels like they've stagnated, I can't say they've changed in their reads the last 50 pages.

I feel that

Meuh

has done (likely unintentional) AtE because I want to townread their exasperation at being widely scumread and

Merlyn

had a point about them having a wild take, it just feels that progression has been unnatural and

Meuh

has done little else but stick on

implosion

which makes it less realistic to me.

My opinion has faded with

Shirou

and I'm not sure how to resuscitate that.

Kind of wished

beeboy

had better WIM and was around more but I think I know why they're demotivated but that's already been resolved.

Alisae

, I need more data points there. Just too easy to see a scum POV looking at the lack of detailed content.

[Taly]

I honestly townread

Dann

for his patience on me lmao

[Taly]

Beeboy
Sannflor
Sakura Hana
Ydrasse
Random Nurse
Dunnstral
Keyleth

People I either strongly townread or do not want in my PoE D1

implosion

has been upgraded to My Object of Intense Focus

[Taly]

implo, I think is town because I'm not getting that vibe in his ISO that I got from reading that Coalition game.

Describe this further than you have already?

I'm "unimpressed" with Meuh posts so far, nothing that makes me think she's town

She can argue it's for "nudging" but voting a slot she was previously townreading rather than one of the people in her PoE is just whacky to me

Feels like she's trying to explore wagon options

Happy keeping my vote there at the moment

This is actually a good point.

I don't think

Meuh

explicitly had

Implosion[/b[ is town in their original readslist when I first voted them, it was null.

Shirou's

recapitulation is not accurate.

actually i think freedoms intro is curious in a wolfy way because he arrives and asserts dunn as town alongside implo but then the focus is on implo and meuh. i can think of one reason why it wouldn’t be wolfy but @freedom why is dunn town? and why is my slot wolf?

Your slot is nullish for me but I haven't been having any definitive SRs so I haven't unvoted yet.
And re: Dunn, it's mainly that I've liked his ISO.

I'm still not satisfied with this post because it feels like your read on

Ydrasse

is uncritical and/or convenient.

[Taly]

meuh

do you actually have reads? i see a lot of explaining on your end that im not getting any defintiive stance from

Mandate hardest town read
Merlyn, Dunn, you, Sakura, also town
Dann, Ari, Shirou, Key, Implo, I've absorbed some of their posting but don't have a good grasp there
Brown Eyes, Alisae and Beeboy exist I think?

bonk

Having a low post count is not a good reason to be suspecting 3 people, and only suspecting those people

I'm not suspecting them, they're just there. I'm scumreading nobody

So your reads are:
Town
also Town
Null
also Null

Yes
The nulls are more "unsorted" than null though

[Taly]

I think the fact that the PoE is almost universal implies that the slots with most heat until

Alisae

are likely town

beeboy/implo

In this world I have hard time conceptualizing that

meuh/implo

are both town as

Freedom

posits for all the reasons I've mentioned at some point on

meuh's

case feeling as though it can be fabricated.

It does make me second guess

Ali

-scum but I'm not doing the whole "Oh wait *unvotes immediately*" bullshit again

[Taly]

I don't think

meuh

fits too well with having the most heat, more like a counter because I initially pinged them, then

dann/implo/beeboy

came up until suspicion on

meuh

grew from my understanding

Dann

wagon didn't go anywhere and I think that's become a consensus aside from

Alisae's

Counter push.

((Need to review who initiated the voting 1v1 here to fact check this statement))

[Taly]

I'm more curious about why you think Keyleth is likely scum here, and I find that you're making scumreads quite quickly which is of note.

her tone feels a little performative in terms of expressing excitement but nervousness over and over again but i just realized while writing this that that might be an attempt to roleplay as the character keyleth

the main thing is the focus on posting and asking questions about things related to the setup or things that aren't related to anyone's alignment at all

clarifying a joke in 39

asking why you bold usernames in 47

setup talk in 52 and 63

71 feels like a question for a sake of question and not an attempt to sort me especially given there was no follow up thoughts about my alignment after i answered

i would just expect a town entrance to include something about someone's alignment before 89

keyleth is posting a lot but that hasn't really translated into approaching the game in a towny way

VOTE: Dannflor
Way too strong of a push for how early this post is into the game

also

VOTE: alisae

I'd just like to kill alisae now

[Taly]

I think Meuh has had steady pressure on them through this day phase by several players. There are a lot of people who have them in the bottom 1/4th of their reads.

Please tell me you don't scumread

beeboy

anymore because I don't quite get it atp

[Taly]

1677 is the ref for my townread there

[Taly]

I think Meuh has had steady pressure on them through this day phase by several players. There are a lot of people who have them in the bottom 1/4th of their reads.

FWIW, I don't scumread her for being performative, I scumread her because their push on

implosion

doesn't seem natural, but you and

Merlyn

have a different take on that.

[Taly]

How do you feel about

Alisae

,

Shirou

,

Dann

, and

Freedom/Merlyn

?

[Taly]

Sakura i think if you were mafia you probably would have voted me and made some shit up about how I am TMI'ing you town or something

and me?

[Taly]

LMAO honestly that made me laugh

[Taly]

Against their impulses, I must bring Taly away for chores and grading, so responses will be limited at best tonight. Best be.

Sol

(We are not a hydra, we are a plural system.)

[Taly]

false, look at SUPP 2019 (I think it is)

I think I had almost 1000 posts by the end of it

and ive flaked on hyperpost games before, wasnt long ago relative to me returning from hiatus

[Taly]

i also posted frequently in Merchant's Daughter if memory serves

and i had times of high activity in Slaughter Hour app.php/activity_overview/87782 (I reached 1K posts here)

Mind you, I was town in all these games, I have never hyperposted as scum to my memory

like, my activity is the least weird thing about me in this game

you're correct

shirou

that this is a lot even for me

but you know

mania

i am legit on medication for a reason nowadays.

please dont make me fish all these games

[Taly]

like if anyone wants to meta me

im never scum here, or ive drastically upped my activity as scum

so thats the appropriate angle in this situation

[Taly]

its a relatively recent behavior given my joindate

[Taly]

Aight, I read a few pages at the beginning when the game first started, but I haven't had a chance to catch up since then. Are there any major points of interest?

What were your thoughts on those first pages?

[Taly]

why did it take me this long to townbin

implo

im just actually skimming their ISO and im not getting pinged

[Taly]

dann/implo

how do you feel about

shirou

?

[Taly]

ali

are you scum

[Taly]

Why is

Dann

scum

[Taly]

I will not confirm or deny that I am actually a penguin

[Taly]

2051 seems a bit unlikely to come from scum, the admission to a shallow read, telling someone else they're probably correct on poijnts they don't seem to have examined, and looking at

ydra

again based off recent votes doesn't seem like a progression an informed thought would make.

i ask

ydra/meuh

what they see there.

[Taly]

I'm not a fan of

Bingle's

entrance but I don't think pushing there is productive, I'll give them more time.

[Taly]

Lmao top 10 anime betrayals

[Taly]

Hello everyone I’m back, what did I miss barring the obvious new player list

I think

Dann

and

Implo

are worth townbinning and

Alisae

is a scumread.

[Taly]

I feel like this game has a lot of life for one that just had 4 replacements.

[Taly]

i think

dunn

is town and

mercy

is preferable to me regardless of what his alignment is

[Taly]

I see what you're saying but I'm operating off the assumption that we will eliminate scum

[Taly]

shhhh, you're town

*puts implosion in a box and wraps it*

[Taly]

tonally i feel akin townread them but i just have a different perception on the game than some of their recent posts suggest

but atp, binning them would mean a PoE of

bingle, aliase, meuh

and idk if that sounds right.

but i dont want to reevaluate my PoE without any flips either

[Taly]

ari

knows how to activate

Taly!tryhard

and thats holistically protown

and

ari

did that

but i do wish to see more from

random nurse

[Taly]

tonally i feel akin townread them but i just have a different perception on the game than some of their recent posts suggest

but atp, binning them would mean a PoE of

bingle, aliase, meuh

and idk if that sounds right.

but i dont want to reevaluate my PoE without any flips either

just about everyone i dont have in my PoE i have at least a solid-ish townread

here are the tiers

Dunn-Sakura-Random Nurse-Ydrasse-Beeboy
Dannflor-Implosion-Keyleth
Freedom-Shirou
-
Bingle
Meuh-Alisae

[Taly]

I think I trust my tonal read of

Shirou

a decent amount.

But yes technically

Freedom

can be boosted to 2nd tier

[Taly]

I think I trust my tonal read of

Shirou

a decent amount.
<snip>

Can you explain/quote this tonal read? i've been looking through your ISO, and i can't find it.

shirou

keep saying something to the effect that they don't want to repeat old behaviors that are unhealthy for the thread.

i doubt theyd care or need to care as much if theyre scum, id imagine their WIM to be worse than it is in this scenario, i might be misreading on that part but still

it gives me pause, their posts can classify as AtE but it seems aimless. its self-conscious but maybe a town variant that knows their limits

[Taly]

Does anyone have a meta read on

Bingle

? Their ISO gives me the impression of stalling. I did like their question to

Shirou

though.

[Taly]

I will say I still never reached the point of particularly thinking Aristeia was town, so Random Nurse is also in the PoE for me.

Should we be reading into these replace outs?

No. I read the replace outs as interpersonal conflict rather than anything specific to the game.

Maybe

Brown Eyes

is a different story but I think

Bingle

is a better way to read that slot.

[Taly]

I can't easily describe my

Ari

townread. I could genuinely be wrong here but it's a big gut read. She would not have interacted with me the same way as scum.

[Taly]

i think it started with the "mandante vs shirou" short text war and from then on i think my posts are significantly "better" from a third party view

But how are they from a town view?

I interpreted this as a partial pick at

Shirou

because they seemed concerned with the optics.

[Taly]

In the back of my mind there's a good chance I've townbinned scum but I think entertaining that further is counterintuitive, especially without flips on my PoE

Actually,

Bingle

, I gave reads recently. What townbins do you think I could be misled on?

[Taly]

I know it's wild to want more activity in a 90 page D1

But I want more activity

[Taly]

Also

Implo

, how do you get the idea I'm a good scum player if you haven't seen me as scum before?

[Taly]

I want more discussion in this day

[Taly]

I think if Alisae's afk is probably broadly unrelated to alignment either way.

Was looking at implo's ISO and this kept popping up. Ali is actually significantly less likely to be AFK with a team e enjoys playing with. And I think there are a lot of people that Ali would want to scum it up with in this crew.

@Taly, do you think this an accurate statement about Ali/why people are scumreading em? If so, who do you think is a reasonable scumteam with low effort ali?

I don't have a long-term understanding of

Ali's

psyche with alignments, and while I think your perspective is likely correct, I also don't think WIM itself is the reason people scumread

Alisae

.

I'm even wondering myself if

Alisae

is this... resigning when it comes to being caught, and am wondering if they'd try to fight more as scum than town.

[Taly]

[Taly, Beeboy, Merlyn, Sakura, Ydrasse]

I think this is all town

Change

Freedom

with

Keyleth

and that's where I am currently sitting. But

Freedom

is a choice I'd entertain.

[Taly]

i think alisae if scum is probably being bussed

Is this a helpful thought right now?

[Taly]

Does anyone wanna see a catch-up from me when I replaced into election day 1?
Maybe that might help people here

sure

[Taly]

What is making it difficult for you to get into the game?

[Taly]

Fuck I want to unvote

[Taly]

What's your take on

Dann

anything other than just looking at a page 4 post?

[Taly]

Isis

trolled us everyone is town

[Taly]

It's okay

implo

is scared of me too

[Taly]

ali

what would you do if you don't have a confident vote on anyone and its D1 and you have a widely suspected slot that you're voting and their recent posts make you think town.

[Taly]

WHO IS SCUM

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND

[Taly]

You feel

Meuh

is town?

[Taly]

I guess i'll go play some videogames, and come back with a clearer mind.
Then i'll try to figure out this mess.
But there's one thing that's been bugging me.
And that is Alisae.
I dont think Alisae Scum makes the kind of posts e did towards me.
In fact sometimes i think that i'm eir literal focus this entire phase.
Yet if Alisae's town, then i'm wrong somewhere.
And i need to figure out where my head is at.
My gut's telling me to vote freedom.
My mind's telling me to stay on Meuh.
My townreads say freedom's likely town.
My heart says Meuh's likely town.

I don't even know where to go anymore

Flips table

Ok, rant over, maybe i do really need to clear my head a bit.

If you can't think about what is most probable, think about what is most feasible.

If you struggle to know where to vote based off a read, use that like secondary information and focus on what could be scum and also what is a push that congeals with your townreads. Town needs to make a group decision regardless of what it ends up being, a town controlled wagon or elimination is better than not. You still have that.

[Taly]

I feel like

Meuh

has been silent a good bit recently. Either low WIM from being consistently suspected may be town, or playing dead.

With the lack of response

Shirou

is getting in thread relative to the people posting, it's unlikely they have teammates trying to townbloc from the prompt set. So I'm feeling better on

Shirou

-town.

I wonder if my read on

Implo

m] superficial, and this slot is somewhat controversial, so I want people to share their opinions of it with me.

fixed bbcode

[Taly]

I like

Bingle

more so it's very likely I actually have townbinned at least 1 scum.

How does everyone feel about

Key

?

[Taly]

There is no mystery in this game that can't be worked through with more discussion.

[Taly]

I’m not a huge fan of the last couple of implo posts. They’re all “right” in the sense that if I was reading them in MD I feel like I’d be nodding along but like, in the context of the game they just feel like he’s doing something to be doing something. Taly, can you point to where you slotted implo as town?

I think the last couples of posts are a good example of why I got the townvibes from

implo

.

There's a lot of fluidity to his reads that I don't think is conducive to scum in a favorable gamestate (I'm assuming scum want a gamestate where town is pretty disenfranchised to assert a vote, even if it is an old one.) They're looking a bit below surface level by asking what the gamestate means in the context of how he reads people, particularly

Mandate/Meuh/myself

. It's a level of thought I see a lot in his ISO, and I think that's difficult to fake in most contexts.

Do you think

implo

is TMI'ing anyone? How do you read

Meuh

?

[Taly]

Also

Implo

, how do you get the idea I'm a good scum player if you haven't seen me as scum before?

i actually have no idea where it's from, i'm guessing it's from reading some random game that you were in where someone called you good as scum or something along those lines. Or maybe it's just a wholesale fabrication of my mind!

I have a reputation of being a strong scum player, honestly. Not sure where that originated, but I've had Perfect Scum Wins before, even back when I barely had experience as scum.

I've definitely had sleeper scum games, though.

I think what happens is people more often see my town-game and feel paranoid about how "strong it appears" and think that's the scum-game.

I have a big townrange.

[Taly]

I suggest getting to

Meuh

because if we were running out of time, that's currently where my vote to flip is going.

Namely, I think

Implo/Meuh

isn't SvS

[Taly]

I can grok a Meuh scum argument, and don’t disagree with implo/Meuh not being paired, but I don’t think that translates to me for “Trust implo implicitly”.

Honestly it kind of feels like Taly might be setting up to pivot onto implo if Meuh flips town.

Meuh herself seems hyper defensive whenever her pushes get criticized which is nagl. I need to think about this a bit more.

I have no clue how this entered your mind from "not SvS" I'm not just going to campaign to eliminate through that as the PoE

[Taly]

Do you think my townread of

Implo

is poorly reasoned?

[Taly]

Bingle

but you can answer

[Taly]

I feel like me/Ali as back to back town flips is much more likely to happen than me/Implo

This is where I'm having some grievances with your posting as this dayphase has rppgressed. It's D1 and you're surmising a chain of mislims. It doesn't give me the vibe that it's uninformed. If you feel town is misguided on someone, can you share more on the what and why of your reads/push?

[Taly]

I don't really have a prettier worded response on my

implo

read. I just consistently don't read their posts and take issue with it. That might be a lack of critical thinking on my part but I think they're thinking a few steps deeper than I believe scum would.

[Taly]

I have no clue how this entered your mind from "not SvS" I'm not just going to campaign to eliminate through that as the PoE

Because this whole thing started with me asking you what felt town about implo and you responding with "The posts you specifically said were iffy gave me townvibes and also he's not S/S with Meuh."

Sure but I guess we sort "not SvS" differently. If I wanted to set myself up it would be more blatant, but in a vacuum, my reads on them both are not dependent on the other. I just don't think they are partnered.

Pedit

Sure

[Taly]

i want to bleach my soul

[Taly]

im tempted to drop $30 trying a bunch of boxed macncheese just to understand the hype of boxed macncheese because homemade macncheese is superior in very single way but that opinion has gone unchallenged for 25 years, and it must be settled.

my parents still say their proud of me

[Taly]

*commits violence*

dunn

is town imo

[Taly]

bingle

what is something outrageous that youve noticed with this gamestate? you probably have a fresher view of the game, give me spicy takes

[Taly]

if you think scum is okay with the gamestate, what mutually agreed upon townreads do you think are wrong?

[Taly]

I... don't take immediate issue with this idea.

If we eliminate, we run to risk of dwindling our town pool for going the mercy route.

[Taly]

@Mod, will voting No Elimination incur the contact of mafia choosing an elimination, or will we simply go to the next dayphase?

This was already mentioned, makes sense Bingle wouldn't know but how did Taly not know?

it doesnt explicitly state anything about

No Eliminations

, thats still a majority rule

[Taly]

i interpreted the rule as "if a decision isnt made" rather than "no elimination"

[Taly]

i strongly disagree

[Taly]

fuck

[Taly]

meuh

can you link some of your town and scum games?

[Taly]

ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Taly]

actually this might finally help me solve, please case against me

dann

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

[Taly]

Increased teaching assistant workload brcause someone is sick, grant proposal is due, insurance denials, exams

I'm going VLA until Thursday.

[Taly]

VOTE: Meuh

[Taly]

shirou

why did you move to

alisae

and not stick with your

meuh

vote?

[Taly]

im above rand on my first scumread in a game to be correct.

[Taly]

my accuracy after usually goes to shit, so sheep me while the odds are high

[Taly]

alisae

vote

meuh

with me

[Taly]

do yuo think me wanting a body is wolf-motivated because im always power scum through that lens

alisae

vote

meuh

with me

ask me again in 48 hours
I'd also just be happy if you voted Dann

how do i read you V

dann

and NOT think its a

"no u"

contest?

give me a lil somethin

[Taly]

if

dann

is scum what does he gain from lolvoting me?

[Taly]

im actively trying to counter your wagon

ali

[Taly]

ali

how do you think a decision in 48 hrs will be any less scum-driven in this gamestate?

that implies scum must be voting from the last page, and probably more than one.

{Taly, Shirou, Dannflor, Meuh}

[Taly]

beeboy

the townbloc has summoned you

[Taly]

I feel I’m at the point where I have little or nothing to add today and am ready for a flip but gosh those wagons are small

True.
At this point, it's probably likely that either scum will decide or we'll end up with a compromise wagon of sorts.
Which only benefits scum.

i agree but what is actionable here?

do you think

ali

or

meuh

will flip mafia? do you think neither? what votes right now do you think could be scum-motivated?

[Taly]

i think

meuh

because their scumreads feel fluctuates with the attention it gets and initial pings that havent really been challenged.

meuh

if you're town, sorry for the tunnel, i really have difficulty justifiying your takes as little but informed, and your flip gives some clarity to several 1v1s this game.

i also dont like

dann's

recent posts about

ali

because i do get the impression that the push asserted is stronger than the actual read itself, but that might be a function of the gamestate rather than alignment, it is of note

[Taly]

i think

ali

wanting

beeboy

is a towntell because

ali

gravitates to certain players

the fact that i townread

beeboy

and

ali

doesnt have any special orientation around another slot suggests to me that its genuine interest rather than a scum partnership.

and genuine interest in this case feels townier

or at least, hell,

alisae

just seems honest.

pedit

Meuh is a really hard player to read but I also have literally no grasp at how it is they play the game.

do you have a read though?

[Taly]

Wait

mandate

=

kittybells

changes everything I know about that slot tbh

[Taly]

im unapologetically BoPing

kittybells

to hell and back and will need to reread that

mandate

verbatim because as far as i understand

kittybells

is one of the few players i think could post like

mandate

and be scum

[Taly]

not that the slot is scum, but that im not reading it the same way i would with majority of people

[Taly]

damn, there was abundance of questions i wouldve thought to ask, oh well

[Taly]

hmm, but

ydrassse

seems fine though

[Taly]

i want to flip

meuh

[Taly]

im okay with a

shirou

wagon too

[Taly]

i actually dont rememeber what

ydrasse

thinks of this game

[Taly]

dann/ali's

movement to

freedom

feels natural?

reservations on 2373 but thats probably a playstyle grievance -- i mainly dont think scum is trying to break up consensus townreads if the more common scumreads havent changed, and i think its a bias to presume someone's push on oneself is scum-motivated.

but that implies self-belief as town on

dann's

part.

so im already back to being fine with

dann

and thus

dann/ali

is probably TvT and i should evaluate everyone's response to that conflict.

[Taly]

bingle

probably isnt try to pocket me

[Taly]

pocketed

but yeah what do you think of

dann/ali, bingle

?

[Taly]

what was confusing with it?

--

also i notice that

meuh/implo

is still viewed as a 1v1 to sort but i feel like that's also true for

meuh/shirou

,

meuh/ali

and

meuh/dann

.

[Taly]

what's a "shitlog" reason if your soul is saying its town?

[Taly]

If it's between Meuh and Alisae i... dont really know which one to vote, but i'd probably go back to Meuh now that Alisae's actually playing. I'd rather eliminate freedom tho.

then vote there but explain why

[Taly]

what does a

freedom

flip tell us

BB

[Taly]

see

ali

? i can get people eliminated too

ari

would give me headpats rn

[Taly]

WHO'S GOING TO GIVE ME HEADPATS NOW

[Taly]

@Meuh

[Taly]

i have been satiated other than my neverending bloodlust for bodies

[Taly]

WHO'S GOING TO GIVE ME HEADPATS NOW

I was the first person in the whole game to actually suspect Meuh

If she flips scum I'm the one that deserves "headpats"

I dunno why you're soft claiming to be the reason we're going for Meuh here when you've been way too open to alternative wagons including me one of the main people pushing Meuh through the game

You take me too seriously

I'm a borderline shitposter with a gamer complex, but if you want to pick apart why I'm flighty with votes I suggest you evaluate how boring this gamestate has gotten at some points.

I've just had a consistent scumread on

Meuh

based on reasoning I don't know how rock solid it is because this is ny first run-in with them in recent memory.

Let me have my fun and fuck around and you can grill me if it brings consequences

Honestly the unique reason I town read you is for the hyper activity Taly.

I do NOT like your posts at face value and I think most of the engagements you get into do not progress the game.

You're right, because my posts are designed to help MY perception of the game and anybody else can look at my engagements and do or think whatever they want with them.

I wonder what made you feel so inclined to say this.
-
On another note, I should at least give

Dann/Freedom[

another look for due diligence.

[Taly]

Now I have to call my insurance company to get them to pay 1k worth of therapy because they don't seem to understand I'm covered by them

[Taly]

SvS

[Taly]

:/

Meuh

I'm sorry if I really am just misled with you but I cannot think of a town-aligned perspective to justify your posts.

If you're town, can you please help me here?

[Taly]

ydrasse

how do you feel about the

meuh/freedom

wagon development?

[Taly]

what catches my eye

shirou

is that you're gatekeeping why town is eliminating

meuh

by asserting that i dont have as much power as i think i do and emphasizing that you earned credit simply by being the first person to come to the conclusion, on a post i made that i thought was very obviously a meme.

should i have added a tonal tag like /j?

your tone doesnt match the scenario

[Taly]

beeboy

how do you read 2373 and 2374?

[Taly]

key/freedom

are clones of the other

[Taly]

VOTE: Meuh

Deadline how I hate you for sneaking upon I.

This vote sure sucks

I feel like there's scum in Keyleth/Sakura that have been missed

The idea of someone following a read I made and then I getting it wrong is easily one of my biggest fears in mafia, people are probably way better at making reads than me so I don't mind just sitting here in my little corner.

UGhbjhbehjb this is town though

i really dont follow this read progression, can you elaborate?

[Taly]

i just dont understand how you interpreted my caps post, it was intended to be a joke, but i interpreted your post to be serious and didnt think it matched the vibe i was going for

so you saying that you disliked my content and that it doesnt progress the game felt out-of-left-field to me

i think my posts are fine, theyre helping me solve

[Taly]

maybe i never went out of my way to make it clear, but i never stopped suspecting

meuh

from my original vote early D1, i just entertained others and wanted to listen to

dunn

for awhile because they're almost effectively conftown to me based off play.

i just havent directly pushed

meuh

because whatever attempts ive tried to help revise my view on her slot hasnt born fruit

i dont think the wagon happened because of me completely (nor did i even explicitly say that

or

intended to imply it), but i know im a contributor to it and even now id like to see

meuh

flipped

pedit

and yeah, i think my joke has truth to it.

meuh

is a strong scumread and that has not gone away

viewtopic.php?t=91817
its kind of like a game that just got completed; my first scumread

(Dunn)

began early D1 and never fell of even when i entertained other options

Guns & Roses

and i was correct about my

Dunn

scumread.

so i stand by my statement, im not saying im 100% reason that

meuh

is getting wagoned or is about to flip, but im part of that.

[Taly]

plus in that game

ali

said e just wants people to die and they do, something i had trouble with in that game haha

so i was poking at

ali

saying

"hey, my scumreads can be rung up too"

[Taly]

night

[Taly]

i am above rand in first scumread being correct

then i do shitty associatives and murder townies left and right

[Taly]

pocketed

[Taly]

Anyone is free to challenge me on why my vote shouldn't be what gets flipped today

[Taly]

Unless someone wants to case that

RN

is getting eliminated, I don't see a clear value in waiting explicitly for a replacement. It's a 100 page read that won't happen and most people seem set on their votes.

[Taly]

Deadline is paused anyway

[Taly]

I'm not particularly swayed toward

Sakura

or

Freedom

.

And vanity wagons are a moot point without justified reasoning

[Taly]

Meuh's

scumread progressions are based on what is happening currently in the thread rather than a continuously evolving viewpoint that is chronological. The stances are created in a vacuum of the game versus contextual information.

[Taly]

Alisae

it is a fair assessment to think that the

Meuh

wagon doesn't look good especially when who you want flip is on it, but does that speak much about

Meuh

herself?

[Taly]

Dannflor

isn't getting flipped today. There's at least 3 other people I'd entertain before that.

[Taly]

I mean

Dunn

is my most confident townread anyway

[Taly]

What specifically gives you pause with the

Meuh

wagoner? What about an readslist on them?

[Taly]

You keep saying if

Meuh

is town but you're not actually committing to a townread. Why are you more confident that the wagon is scum? Is it regardless of

Meuh's

alignment?

[Taly]

Mmm I'll humor you

Are

kittybells/ydrasse

because you were the other side of that PoE? Is it complacent with the current wagons-- the notion that scum is complacent with the current gamestate?

[Taly]

I can agree to that worldview but that doesn't preclude bussing.

[Taly]

Uh brain now a potato from medicine

Goodnight

[Taly]

presenting: my spirit animal

[Taly]

You have to understand, I think it's 8 to elim since 14 players.
The doublevoter is not voting.
Village needs 8 votes to vote off a wolf while Mafia needs to convince 5 villagers. If you convince the doublevoter, you need to convince 3 villagers other villagers.

meuh

is probably the one slot

dunn

has actively resisted a wagon or potential elimination on, i dont think mafia would passively choose this slot to secure a miselimination.

its either a bus for the potential to be spared as we're likely going to do

Mercy

, a bus just to avoid additional suspicion, a bus where scum try to find counters for their partner.

or- if

meuh

is actually town, scum are still content with this wagon, but counters are still ideal because they dont get a NK, and rely on suspecting many players at once.

an even more optimistic viewpoint-

the scum are actually getting bodied and have very little thread control, and im not talking about activity, but anything to seriously get off the ground.

in this playerlist, i honestly think town wins most of the time.

[Taly]

its probably valid to say that im deathtunneling

meuh

, but 5 other slots will make more sense to me when i flip this slot.

its not just a scumread

its objectively a flip that will help me understand where and how to evaluate my reads.

[Taly]

and i dont think the alignments of

freedom, shirou, dannflor, alisae, implo, sakura

will change my view here, unless the solve is literally a team in this group.

[Taly]

on another note, i figured out who the 3-4 slots i would spare pre-flip info

and its really not what my original readslist was.

[Taly]

i also keep passively trying to get

meuh

to challenge me and it never happens, which makes me consider a lack of self-belief in being town.

[Taly]

id say its pretty moderate in difficulty given that majority of the other wagons this dayphase can be considered a counter

[Taly]

Freedom, Alisae, Implo, Beeboy, Dannflor

have all been suspected slots with sizeable talking points

Alisae

was almost eliminated

Freedom, Dannflor, and Beeboy

have all had wagons atp,

Freedom

is the most recent though

Implo

has had a steady level of suspicion I'd say

[Taly]

This thread actually isn't barren of scumreads, it's just a slow burn

[Taly]

who would you spare

meuh

?

[Taly]

VOTE:

Beeboy

My main thought in 34/35 waa Beeboy scum and then suddenly an avalanche of votes on 36
I’ve already been voting Beeboy since RVS but I’ll vote again to be all dramatic about it
VOTE: Beeboy

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: Freedom

VOTE: Freedom
I have more substantial feelings there at least

Repeat that again?

What do you mean by

"we're never hitting scum today if its

alisae/beeboy/freedom

"

?

[Taly]

if those 3 were the most significant counters

[Taly]

give me a succinct reason for

sakura

scum

[Taly]

ydra

how do you feel about

aliase

vote on you?

[Taly]

i want a flip omg

[Taly]

im not ready to consider

sakura

-scum, that world somewhat dictates a team of deepwolves and im not starving for scumreads anymore.

[Taly]

was that hammer?

[Taly]

:/

[Taly]

If that's true I will need to rethink a lot of this game. And if so, I'm sorry for the tunnel.

Can you give a final readslist please?

[Taly]

Well I've been knocked down a few pegs

[Taly]

Sorry

Meuh

, I did enjoy playing with you

[Taly]

I'm probably sheeping

Ali

until I figure things out again

Can't dissect game rn

[Taly]

I thought the hammer was fine

[Taly]

Dunn

flips regardless

[Taly]

Why would we want to fight if

Dunn

is scum? I considered it a good option either way.

[Taly]

We have 1 mistake and that's it, so there's less room for error, but some

How has your reads changed from the flip?

[Taly]

*hiss*

[Taly]

hi

RCE

[Taly]

im waiting for

ali

who is waiting for

beeboy

who is waiting for us to eliminate scum

[Taly]

RCE

do you ever have those D1's where you emphatically believe someone is scum despite your top two townreads telling you that they are town, but you ignore that and proceed to eliminate said scumread, AND they actually flip town

that's me

that's my character arc right now

[Taly]

Adding on to 2658

The pairing read was mostly what Dann was doing, not what Taly was doing but the reconsideration was based on what Taly was doing and not Dann.

now im curious

[Taly]

RCE

do you ever have those D1's where you emphatically believe someone is scum

despite your top two townreads

telling you that they are town, but you ignore that and proceed to eliminate said scumread, AND they actually flip town

that's me

that's my character arc right now

What?

Ali is one of your top town reads?

sounds about right yeah

dunn-alisae

[Taly]

im a complex bird with elaborate read changes

[Taly]

Dunnstral-Alisae-Beeboy-Taly

....
Everyone Else

[Taly]

Most of the reads I have made this game are questionable