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VOTE: prism

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uh okay

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There are two good reasons for him specifically to vote me that way with zero substance: annoy me and see what happens, and to see how others react.

@STD are either of those the reason(s) you voted Prism?

No. I think prism is scum. That's why I voted them.

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im surprised people who know how i play are like "Std would play differently"

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doesn't this feel like a LHF wagon to people

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because i've barely done anything and people are like "omg std has barely done anything" and that's sometimes just what i do

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I'm sorry we are rushing in this setup because........why?

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There are multiple people who have posted 0 or 1 time and you're ready to end the day on me? Yuck

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Wait you're policying me

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Yeah who cares

You're the one scumsiding or scum

Why am I the one with the votes

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Why

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I'm sorry I still want to kill prism

But maybe I'm being persuaded that their leadingness is town

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UNVOTE:

Maybe not

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I'm vla ill try to post more but please don't expect too much from me until sunday/monday

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im back and i'm catching up slowly

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Has nobody played with imaginality here? I think they are still a solid option potentially. Also Save the Dragons disappearing completely is annoying and looks bad.

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What happened? I saved your life and you returned the favor by disappearing.

was literally in another city oh my gob

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i kinda wanted to vote Alisae but no one's really defending them so their partners are either AFK or asleep at the wheel

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im actually leaning the later

VOTE: alisae

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i was tempted to vote camel but i liked their response to pressure a little bit. i could still probably vote there

but my guess is it's just Alisae Andres patchwork or something silly like that at this point

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could be imaginality too

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i think fb is my only true town read

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i think the fact no one defended alisae is pretty important though to parse and calling it a scumpost is kinda icky

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not ordered

Firebringer

Prism
T3
jjh927
gob

camelCasedSnivy
Ydrasse
Shirou

patchwork
Alisae
imaginality
Andresvmb

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i also wouldn't be surprised if i were wrong at this point

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i think scum would be more inclined to defend each other in this setup

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but i could be not thinking that far ahead

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i guess i see what you mean, once the scum leave it'll be clear who defended them

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are you asking why fb is my tr or why no one else is or both

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i've played with fb a lot and i kind of think this is his town game. i hate meta as a reason but if fb is doing less trolling and more solving im generally happy alignment wise

im just not there with other people yet.

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why

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it feels like your phoning it in

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lazy vote on me

didn't you have me as scum before this

andres + me I don't think is a team that makes sense so including Andres paired w/ me also feels like a stretch

why? cuz he voted you?

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UNVOTE: not really feeling it anymore? i guess? I like alisae's posts since voting them

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andres is probably town yes good good
snivy moving vote to andre's slot is bad

why is andres town

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std had the nerve to say that I am "phoning it in"

because it looked like you were

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I think there's some distinct camps here looking for different things and then there's STD trying to appeal to all of them to some degree

bullshit

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STD calling andres scum is pretty out there actually now we're on that topic

i like how people are still getting on me for being a non-presence and yet everyone's like "andres is so town guys"

also how do I appeal to everyone in your last post and put andres in the bottom as a pretty out there take in the next post? that's not consistent

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andres is probably town yes good good
snivy moving vote to andre's slot is bad

why is andres town

i liked his interaction with me initially and it wasn’t really what i expect a wolf andres to do where he could probably double down and push further, he felt more… curious? i guess, like he was actively trying to get information rather than get a result

i'll take another look

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I think the mechanics make it important to try and force interactions and opinions regarding all players, so I’ll need to be more active than normal here. So I’ll do my best.

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i think a quick skim of andres's iso leaves me more null than town

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because he didn't really post much and he discounts his alisae read here:

If you start from the assumption that Alisae is a solid Town player that has shown moments of high competence, AND that they like to get their way (not unlike how I like to play, actually, but I don’t have the concentration to be as aggressive as I used to be), then you’ll start noticing that Alisae (they admit to this too) isn’t trying too hard to really establish a strong presence. It’s just an early feeling - it could just go away as the game rolls on, but I felt I needed to say it.

it almost looks partnered with alisae, whom i thought was scum. an early scum read on them to distance but quickly changing his tune and saying it could go away potentially discredits his own read

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have work now will vote later

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STD calling andres scum is pretty out there actually now we're on that topic

i like how people are still getting on me for being a non-presence and yet everyone's like "andres is so town guys"

also how do I appeal to everyone in your last post and put andres in the bottom as a pretty out there take in the next post? that's not consistent

Well, the other 6 slots in orange and red on your readslist are kinda a mixed bag of everyone that people had been floating as elimination options

"Scummy slots are scummy" ~jjh

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Sorry

"It's scummy you think scummy slots are scummy" ~ jjh

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Do you have any other reason to scumread me other than I'm not lying about trs

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STD, just questioning but was your read on Andres (or any of your other scumreads from that readslist besides Alisae) based on anything other than likely partnership with Alisae?

Yes

He wasn't posting much

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Sorry

"It's scummy you think scummy slots are scummy" ~ jjh

I mean, you can be an ass about it but if you do that I'm going to keep explaining it like you don't understand it

This game has a diverse range of approaches and so one player might see something as scummy that another player sees as towny. If you asked any other individual player, they would probably not find all of those slots scummy, and would probably townread a fair few. Having basically every single slot that 2 or more people had expressed a scumread on in your scumpile makes it quite obvious that you are crowdsourcing your reads

Does my voting pattern suggest I'm playing as opportunistic as you are trying to paint me

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I'm confused why I should tr slots that other people find scummy

You realize that you are suggesting I lie as town to get more tr

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Sorry

"It's scummy you think scummy slots are scummy" ~ jjh

I mean, you can be an ass about it but if you do that I'm going to keep explaining it like you don't understand it

This game has a diverse range of approaches and so one player might see something as scummy that another player sees as towny. If you asked any other individual player, they would probably not find all of those slots scummy, and would probably townread a fair few. Having basically every single slot that 2 or more people had expressed a scumread on in your scumpile makes it quite obvious that you are crowdsourcing your reads

Does my voting pattern suggest I'm playing as opportunistic as you are trying to paint me

RVS vote, unvote, vote for main counterwagon, unvote?

Wow that sure is the voting pattern of scum keeping their options open great point I'm clearly agendad from this

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I'm confused why I should tr slots that other people find scummy

You realize that you are suggesting I lie as town to get more tr

I find it hard to believe you aren't twisting this on purpose

I am saying that it is not believable to me that you individually as a person with 1 point of view to consider think that many people are scummy in a game where over 3/4 of the playerlist are town

I do

So what am I supposed to do

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Honest question

I am town scumreading half the playerlist

Am I supposed to not post my reads?

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Honest question give me an answer

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Am I supposed to lie?

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Have you honestly never seen town post a list with many scumreads? I don't believe that

Your attack on me is shit

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Well, a good place to start is to consider that over 75% of players in the game are town and if you think over half of them are scummy then you are wildly off the mark and need to recalibrate

Your reasoning when prompted has been extremely weak crap like "he wasn't posting much" or pre-flip associatives so you clearly do not have much reason to scumread that many people.

Have you actually asked about my reads

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Imaginatys posts suck

Shirou is just wrong probably

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Well, a good place to start is to consider that over 75% of players in the game are town and if you think over half of them are scummy then you are wildly off the mark and need to recalibrate

Well duh but this doesn't answer my question

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What is town supposed to do when they scumread half the playerlist

Am I supposed to say nothing while recalibrating

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What is town supposed to do when they scumread half the playerlist

Am I supposed to say nothing while recalibrating

You are supposed to say "I think too many of the players in this game are scummy and I know that can't be right because 7 is a larger number than 3."

You can then take a look through your reasoning and try to come to conclusions about where you are wrong.

That's not mutually exclusive. I can be fully aware I'm not right while posting an honest readslist

How do you know I'm not working my list in my head

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Imaginatys posts suck

Shirou is just wrong probably

What sucks about imaginality's posts? Why are they likely to come from scum and not town?

What is shirou wrong about, and how do you know shirou is wrong? Do you believe shirou's takes have been genuine? Why?

I'm on mobile I will get to this when I can pull posts up more easily

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I'm still very confused why town can't have several people in their scum list

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Did you consider we may just readlist differently or did you go straight to your reasoning

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I think scum are more likely in my lower pool

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So yes better than chance

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Do you want me to hunt for readlisrs I have made as town with more than 3 scum in them

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I dunno if they exist but I bet they do

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I don't think we're on the same page

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The problem is you aren't realizing I am doing b

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What do you think I've been doing with you jjh

I'll give you a hint. It's either b c and or d

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StD, who is your pool?

Let me update that when I get to a computer

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Oh well...it's as they say after all.

"if the mountain won't come to Shirou, then Shirou must go to a nearby place instead."

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

I need to pay more attention to Titus posting to decide if I can vote there too, and I'm at least entertaining Ydrasse in the back of my mind for the StD townlean.

so my agenda was to unvote alisae and help dismantle the wagon so you could just vote me? does that make sense to you

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If StD is scum but Ali is town, I don't know, it was risky at least to unvote Ali there.

That's what I've been mulling over for the past minutes.

Why did StD unvote if he's scum and Ali is town? It still feels like a possible scenario, maybe he thought he would look too bad after an Ali townflip, but it also makes me think they may either be both town or both scum.

oh lol you actually thought about it

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not ordered

Ydrasse
Firebringer
Prism

Shirou
jjh927
Titus
gob
Andresvmb

CamelCasedSnivy
T3

imaginality
Alisae

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Ydrasse - seems town
firebringer - same as previous reason
prism - i dunno. i'm waffling hard on this slot but i think i feel town vibes for now
Shirou - kinda tunneling me, not sure if that's a good look but the fact he's revisiting why i voted alisae might be something. (@jjh, he's wrong about scumreading me because I am not scum)
jjh - i dunno. i'd like to see more wrt other slots before i make a determination
titus - i don't really know yet
gob - i'd like to see more, right now all i remember is WKing me
Andresvmb - kind of want more tbh
CCS - not feeling as good as i normally do about CCS but not entirely bad
T3 - seems kind of lingering in the background, i think T3 posts more as town (but i could be wrong)
imaginality - posts suck, will detail later
Alisae - i dunno i'm not feeling the spark i normally feel from alisae

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Why is that a scum post

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Why is that a scum post

Hah, touché.

It's the challenging without denying aspect of it.

Seems like scum!you knows it's a scum post but you're surprised someone accurately read it as such. Compared with town!you knowing it's not a scum post and curious why someone would think it is.

this feels slimy like a made up reason

@Shirou my approach at the moment has been to skim and see what pings me one way or the other. Happy to let people float around null rather than efforting too hard with overanalysing stuff. So yeah I'm not trying to give a comprehensive readslist yet.

seems like an excuse to not give more reads

This however does seem like a possible slip?

Everyone unvote Alisae.

you're townreading alisae?

Not exactly, but

I think their logic makes sense. I feel like

town

would've mentally slipped up there under pressure.

They're not clear but for now I want to vote somewhere else.

Gob what did you mean by that?

no

just no

you know better. this looks fake as fuck

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ah yes that's what was missing

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VOTE: Camel

i think i want this tbh after thinking about it

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sure did

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i dare you to tell me how that's scummy

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omg wow

having 3 scumreads is wild in a game like this

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but std

you had CCS in orange

you're not allowed to change your mind

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after thinking about it

if only i gave some hint

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set up what with my reads

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what support for imaginality

aren't people voting camel

isn't no one voting imaginality

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i think you're seeing what you want to see dude

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okay

hmmm i'd like to vote imaginality

but i kind of think my ccs read is too high

yeah i think i like voting ccs better

let's go with that

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i know that was real exciting

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i actually looked at his iso and his last several posts were nothingburgers

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i think you shouldn't be so sure i'm scum

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i dunno man

this is me trying

i'm not going to suddenly post walls and paragraphs and do analysis

this is what you get

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would everyone just be happier if i did my lists as

"would vote"
"would not vote"

i feel like if i had done that, neither jjh nor you would have a leg to stand on

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im willing to vote imaginality but there's a wagon on camel is not enough for you eh

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just 4 u bb

VOTE: imaginality

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Spoiler:

117 > 29

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it's the vibes

it's not easily explained

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but i do feel like i did explain what i felt was icky about imaginality's posts

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i would probably vote alisae now, they're back to phoning it in

alisae is vibrant and prolific, snarky and sassy, yet right when town

here they just feel like they're lazily slopping their vote on me and trying to pretend to look like they're doing what they typically do. it's hard to tell though which is why i hesitated.

im not confident though. it just doesn't feel like the energy that alisae is usually producing though.

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though

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alisae is closer to the things that i described in the posts

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wow that really changed my mind

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it's not the content it's the tone

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Right now STD's reads are on the same intellectual level as a child talking about vegetables

excuse you

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VOTE: Alisae e-1

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Right now STD's reads are on the same intellectual level as a child talking about vegetables

excuse you

Are you ready to talk specifics about what you liked/disliked about Alisae's posting or are we going to remain on the "I didn't like it, but then I liked it for a bit and now I don't like it any more again" level

no

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because it's an ineffable quality of their posts not a direct "this post is good because they posted a readslist featuring reads i liked"

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it's not even bad play

as town i have some moments of brilliance doing what i do

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so trying to convince me i suck because i don't play like you isn't going to work

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jjh, you don't understand me, that's the fundamental difference, and you're not even trying to.

build a bridge and get over it

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also where is andres

Out for some cigs and milk

just like dad

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It's time. Reads list or you DIE!!!!!!

lots of posts in 24 hours

i have more time to be present today

anyway at this point, changing my readslist style because people can't handle the other way

WOULD LIM
Camel
T3
JJH
Imaginality
Andres

WOULD NOT LIM
Prism
YAdrasse
Titus
gob
shirou
firebringer

WOULD BANG
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It's time. Reads list or you DIE!!!!!!

I did a readlist before the flip and very little has changed other than seeing Camel and Shirou react to eod. I guess I have 4 scumreads now though

Town
Prism
Ydrasse
gob
Firebringer
Andresvmb
T3

Town?
imaginality

Scum?
Save The Dragons
camelCasedSnivy
Shirou
Titus

That can't be right, 4 > 3

I recommend taking a look through your reasoning and try to come to conclusions about where you are wrong

I want you to hunt for reasons that your scumreads could actually be town

Narrow the pool. Doubt yourself and try to make your reads more accurate

You have a lot of scumreads. You know you must be wrong with some of them.

Do you
A. Do nothing
B. Try to narrow it down and figure out where you are wrong?

Okay, if you're going to narrow it down, here's a choice for you

A. Do nothing
B. Compare the reasons why you scumread people and determine which are stronger and which are weaker
C. Wait until people make more posts and see if you change your mind
D. Actively engage with players you scumread to try and place them more accurately

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camel, t3, and andres have just been such non presences that i can't really town read them. it's definitely possible i'm tr scum and i need to reconsider, but im starting to tr all the players in my "would not lim" category.

jjh maybe would be do not lim if i took emotion out of it. not sure.

every post by imaginality makes my skin crawl.

i'm not sure where i stand in lieu of an alisae town flip. i'm kind of bummed i was wrong. need to think a little before i vote.

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this game has felt polarized when it comes to what reads people have so i would be a little surprised if it was a wolf team mostly of inactive people. i don’t know if this atmosphere can pop up from just town squabbling with mild intervention.

my favorite thing to do as scum is to sit back and let town be wrong about each other

but yeah this is a fair point

i wouldn't be surprised if some of my trs were actually scum which is why i want to think a bit before i vote

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camel, t3, and andres have just been such non presences that i can't really town read them.

am i supposed to take this seriously

yes

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why do people keep asking for my readslist didn't i just post one

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yeah i want to hear imaginality and save the dragon's thoughts

and you better not bring up that presence bullshit

presence

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i'd probably vote imaginality but i still want to think about it

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i am prodded

fuck

VOTE: imaginality

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i've gotten busy, will try to post something substantial today or tomorrow

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VOTE: Titus

With the way this game is designed I see Titus's push today as trying to get me mislimmed knowing she can skip town tonight so it doesn't matter how bad she looks after I flip town.

(Full readslist in due course)

i dunno if i believe this is a real thought

The biggest single thing that gets me is definitely the Alisae hammer

But on the other side Titus did try to wagon someone else and get her townreads to cooperate. Just, it went completely south in the end. I was being very literal when I said Titus was throwing away her towncred to hammer Alisae. It made it near impossible for me to read her based on my normal Titus alignment metric.

The whole Ydrasse "slip" thing is kinda interesting because Titus finds that kind of crap as both alignments and doesn't ever have the awareness to understand that it's heavily flawed and not persuasive to anyone else. I'm mainly leaning town from that particular piece of the puzzle from where she said Prism would have jumped on it in scum!Prism town!Ydrasse world, as though she has presented some golden opportunity that scum would surely follow. Made it seem like she does really believe it.

this feels like actual solving

and I would probably just opt to remove STD from the game and hope we got lucky

this does not

Theres a general problem whenever Titus uses the argument of wagons and vote history as an argument of someone alignment.
That general problem is, It can argued both ways as any alignment, ever.
Theres no straightforward consistency in applying it and saying "Ohh Titus believes this because this is how Titus town views the game" because she can easily put forward the argument as scum to say what she wants when she wants to say it and she has crafted these VCA arguments before as scum. Theres nothing clear in those to say this is town or scum titus line of thinking its like extremely null.

So when you say things like "this makes sense as a titus thought" I go "yeah thats not useful at all for determining if that analysis is townie because she could have that thought as scum so easily its not worth talking about"

Like the imaginality vote was bad because when and how it was done. to be honest i am still null on imaganlity and should really hold a view there, but I can cite you at least one former game i played with imaganlity and I can tell u, I tunneled him there because i felt like it was an easy push to get away with as scum and I was right there.

Does that make him town here, obviously not. I am just saying I can see any scum easily pushing imaginality because ive done that shit.

fire is town

i'm really tunneled on imaginality. everything just looks fake to me but if i'm wrong i'll be devistated.

Can someone please recap where the townreads on Titus are coming from?

Titus feels like frustrated town to me. i feel like i could be wrong but it's consistent throughout her play today.

i think even if titus is town (and i doubt it!) i fundamentally cannot work with her and it’ll all just continue to be an obnoxious distraction.

why do you specifically think titus is scum

incredible how basically every single townread i had has fallen off

you don't townread anyone?

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i agree her reads are static

i think the slip is weird

i think the will lose if i die is something that's nai

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i can't abide by a policy lim when someone is chomping at the bit to policy lim me

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ok i misunderstood

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titus why are you so confident you solved the game

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arcanine is better than growlithe

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how did you know i am a constant unicycle rider

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this game is a nightmare

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oof

bad takes my friends

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i don't see why scum would get on camel there tho

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i feel like i would just vote imaginality because people can't take my weirdness seriously

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i mean why post that shit about imaginality just to vote a scumbuddy instead if your theory is imaginality is town

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oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

let's flip imagine and see what you think after that

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i don't see why scum would get on camel there tho

I linked it. You expressed that a part of your vote on camel was becase there was a wagon on camel but not on imaginality.

yes why would scum me do that instead of trying to create a wagon on imagineality?

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i thought people were like "scum would never bus in this game" what happened to that

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like i legit was like "distancing here" and someone was like "no they'd never bus"

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I still would give anything to know what went on inside your brain in the 5 minutes between my quoted posts that turned you from "CCS - not feeling as good as i normally do about CCS but not entirely bad" to "i think i want this tbh after thinking about it" when the first 3 minutes were spent strengthening your scumread on imaginality. God only knows what the 2 minute interval was spent on.

i guess you've never given thought or reconsidered a read in your life huh

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yes why would scum me do that instead of trying to create a wagon on imagineality?

To create distance with camel in the event he flipped. You've been playing the game for 19 years but you're asking questions like you've been playing for 2 months. Jesus Christ, dude.

stop this petty bullshit

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i thought people were like "scum would never bus in this game" what happened to that

I'm definitely not one of those people and never have been. Lump me in with them if it makes you feel better though.

im curious because it seems like there's a shift in stances and i don't remember who said it, i'm not saying "YOU SAID THIS NOW YOU SAID THIS"

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it's the same shit i've gone through whatever man

no body wants to take responsibility so when you flip me you'll go "no it was STD who was wrong" even though there's all these hints i'm not scum and you want to ignore them and would rather attack me for being bad than look inward

whatever

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You're asking very obtuse questions and strawmanning. It is incredibly difficult to believe you are acting in good faith.

You can read. You know that my issue is not that you reconsidered camel. My issue is that you took 5 minutes, and 3 were spent strengthening a scumread on imaginality. The timing does not line up for the voteswitch.

no this doesn't make sense

i re-evaluated the read

what is your issue with that i'm really honestly confused

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oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

let's flip imagine and see what you think after that

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VOTE: imaginality still think it's this

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but i want to take some time not dealing with people who just hate me because of a playstyle difference to look back at stuff so i will do that now

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oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

let's flip imagine and see what you think after that

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just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean i haven't answered the question

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ok but dont you agree prism is a juicier vote

can we kill prism now

snivy whats ur read list

gob andres shirou
you and ydrasse
everyone else (those god dang lowposters)
alisae
prism

off the top of my head

kinda don't think it's prism

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If you want to say "I thought Imaginality was more likely to flip scum" then say that

sounds like what i said got the message across so :shrug:

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If you want to say "I thought Imaginality was more likely to flip scum" then say that

sounds like what i said got the message across so :shrug:

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what do you want me to say

i looked back at camel and thought it was a better vote

i don't know what's so hard about that

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I need to pin your stances to the wall or you'll try to find some plausibly deniable way of calling it a playstyle difference and a miscommunication when I push you

maybe you should spend less time getting pissed at my playstyle and more time trying to understand me

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2769 and 2775 are hurtful i don't think you hate me but you're aggresively telling me I suck so I don't know what i'm supposed to think

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okay

hmmm i'd like to vote imaginality

but i kind of think my ccs read is too high

yeah i think i like voting ccs better

let's go with that

i kinda said that though yesterday so

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let's see the scum squirm onto this wagon i guess

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because i re-read camel and felt he was scummier

that's it

there's no treatise on why camel is super scummy

it's just a hunch i had

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i could make up shit to get out of it but i'm not going to do that i'm telling the truth

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Could std just be town making stuff up to justify bad reads and protect their ego??? I've seen people do that before on MU

what part of i found camel to be scummy is a bad read

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i am sick with a cold.

will see about catching up after some coffee.

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I’m back tonight. Don’t think I can make much of a difference anymore given my low activity, but I’ll admit to having SR’ed Titus while they were alive. The funny thing is, whenever I get that feeling, they tend to flip Town so happy I didn’t push that.

I would consider voting this

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

let's see the scum squirm onto this wagon i guess

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Sheeping me feels like a pretty solid town move given andres isn't very engaged but knows my read accuracy

oof

speaking of which, {jjh927, std, andres, imaginality} are in my poe, i could compromise on {T3, Prism} but i dont think we'll get there

Yeah one of T3 and Prism is definitely scum here

I am inclined to agree.

i went back and read day 1 and don't think its prism

i think it highly unlikely to be prism here

I don't think StD reaction to being pushed is scum!StD. Last scum game I played with him when he was pushed he just shut down, here he isn't. By shut down i just meant he went to lurking giving extremely little responses here he seems intent on arguing. I don't think he looks good with his not push on camel but his play outside that seems like his town play to me.

Disagree with this push jjh

I can find you a scumgame where he doesn't do that

ooo i have ~~range~~ i guess does that make me scum

Here's STD's iso in pokemon battles
For an easy ride, go to the bottom and scroll up. Think this fairly clearly shows STD trying to defend himself in a similar way

i feel like i remember shutting down in that game more towards firebringers point than yours

The people I am suspecting here are people I would expect to play it relatively straight and panic

i'm laughing

i hope you're scum otherwise my opinion of you just tanked hard

Alisae probably would have resolved himself later in the game, yeah. I don't think Titus would though.

I've the opposite view but I'm biased

my brain was telling me Titus was scum but I don't think I would have voted her unless she was already in E-1

my heart was telling me she was towny

my heart and brain correctly read titus as town and technically right on camel too and i keep basically getting told i suck so :shrug:

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firebringer why are you voting me

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i still think it's just imaginality can't change yet

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ok but dont you agree prism is a juicier vote

can we kill prism now

snivy whats ur read list

gob andres shirou
you and ydrasse
everyone else (those god dang lowposters)
alisae
prism

off the top of my head

kinda don't think it's prism

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still sick

trying to keep up but failing

will catch up now

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mod i am very busy with work stuff consider me v/la till friday night

@StD i think my townread of you has been superficial and I think town you would put me in your scum pool at this point. I also didn't like your interactions with camel when i went back to it.

I also told the scum team we are definitely killing shirou here to save him from himself.
So your welcome shirou

why would i put you in my scum pool? I feel like you're playing exactly to your town meta

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dragons not voting camel after having camel low in reads isn't great but i believe the vibes around dragons as being frustrated town who cant communicate feels a bit spiteful to town for not getting it etc

i did vote camel, i'm getting SCUMREAD for voting camel

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oh ok

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I’m not deadweight. You may have difficulty figuring out my alignment because I’ve not been particularly active, but I will object to that characterization.

I already warned everyone here that you’ll be disappointed if you flip me, but that I will take responsibility as it will be the first mis-execution I ever eat from this type of position. And that’s primarily my fault. But my contributions today making you surer that I’m Scum doesn’t make any sense to me.

3147 is a criticism of Dragons' laconic playstyle and baseline of underexplanation, not you.

laconic != deadweight

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im trying to parse Andres's 180 on me. I guess as town he could have decided to play and not sheep and realized his sheep target was bad, or as scum he could have saw the winds blowing a different way and tried to push a different target. I kind of think it's the former, though.

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i think andres constantly re-evaluating is +town he doesn't look like scum trying to push a mislim (though I guess his focus is on gob almost exclusively)

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i'll go VOTE: T3

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i think it could still be imaginality

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VOTE: imaginality

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not moving my vote

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can you vote imaginality

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do i have to beg

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Why the fuck is no one discussing the votes/partner thing.

Now imaginality wagon just picked up speed.

i think anyone not voting imaginality could be partnered

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cool

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story

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bro

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Readslist:

Towniest
Fire
T3
Jjh
Camel

Andres
StD

Gob
Ydrasse
Prism
Titus

Scummiest

where is shirou on this list

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I don't think camel switches away from me to jjh when he did, if camel is scum.

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Maybe I'm off on the timing of things though. I will go look at you+Shirou iso.

did you ever do this

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Hey Prism, when I'm scum I usually bus heavily

Funny how camel asked T3 if his camel vote was for opportunism because I do get that vibe a tad.

VOTE: camel

camel, what's your opinion of Ydrasse so far? And vice versa @Ydrasse

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it's shocking that when i have time i do things and when i don't have time i don't

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tbh i didn't know you voted me when i posted

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It could also be Town that’s tired of this day and wants a flip already.

ding ding ding

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imaginality is scum deal with this fact

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i am not scum just because you want me to be

sorry

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i am trying to get imaginality, the scummiest player, limmed

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i'll be whatever u want me to be bby

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Seems more like a way to try to nudge a nervous non voter to hammer me.

yes i want you to die because i think you're scum

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What exactly have you done in this day phase since we left you to do stuff that you promised you were totally going to do after initially wagoning you

who besides you cares what i've done

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yes

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Fine we can do Andres

VOTE: Andres

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if it's imaginality i hope you're ready with some words for me though

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i think you're going to be bitter when i turn out town and not change your play

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i'm certainly bussing him now if i'm scum with andres

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don't i lose if i bus andres and i'm scum with andres

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i think you're going to be bitter when i turn out town and not change your play

Do you think saying "I am town and you are wrong" in many different ways actually helps you

no i just am interested in your growth a player because i care

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don't i lose if i bus andres and i'm scum with andres

Yes but for you to be scum with andres, andres would have to have rolled scum

i guess that makes 2 of us that thinks andres is town then!

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Are you aware of how many times you have said this exact thing in the scumgames of yours that I have read

no i am not

maybe it's a STD thing and not a scum!std or town!std thing

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For someone who thinks he's town you sure are voting him

yep im willing to follow prism if it means this game continues