Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

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Mmmm

Furitve, Python, Black, yessiree, Hu Tao, Naerys, RCEnigma, Theta Alpine, Meuh

Could you please confirm I invited you to /in and then you did?

idk, can we?

We have a n0 guilty on Black

VOTE: Black

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Dayvig: Black

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Royal Guard: Black

Hey no fair, that's a Dante exclusive move

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did u just throw ur pet dragon in front of a bullet.

Wow. Cruelty animals is now added to the list of crimes

The Royal Dragon is not my guard, but he has been known to eat some of my naysayers when he's hangry. I wouldn't test him if I were you. There are no Snickers in our kingdom to quell his fury

DE you gotta join the revolution, only way you get to eat a dragon in these parts

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furtive is our n0 inno

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VOTE: DE

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Actually no DE is just being lame

VOTE: Gamma

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VOTE: DE

Actually no DE is just being lame

VOTE: Gamma

How is DE “being lame”

gob vote

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What’s lame about a gob vote?

???? How is it not lame?

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I’m not saying it isn’t lame, I just want to know why you think it is

Cause it's lame? It's like asking why a chair is a chair

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VOTE: usesPython
I was hoping for something better than that.

Cringe and mafpilled

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What's a mafpilled

It's when you take Morpheus's red pill and turn into a Goon

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yessiree town

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sorry you rolled scum Gamma

it is what it is

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Anyway whatever

VOTE: yess

Get better votes

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What’s lame about a gob vote?

???? How is it not lame?

It's not lame because my vote isn't OMGUS or even an LHF vote, it's a meta vote.

What's the meta read

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Yessiree/furtive/gob/python towncore, this game's easy

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Yessiree/furtive/gob/python towncore, this game's easy

Take me out of this, im not town this game.

Yeah but that just makes the towncore stronger

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Oh, dragon eater rolled scum

Fk, I was scumreading yessir till we mindmelded.

Dragon is town

Dragon's pretty null so far, where's the townieness

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Dragon is town

That's one member of the Court I'm right about. This is easy

L + Ratio

Bro thinks we're playing Mafia on tik tok

You're thinking of X, Tik Tok is like Hell²

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Yessiree/furtive/gob/python towncore, this game's easy

Well, enjoy being carried to F9 ELo in scum's pockets

:shrug:

Thanks, we will

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Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

VOTE: yessiree

Antagonizing Gamma isn't as cool as you think it is

why vote me for it tho

Why not

why does antagonizing someone warrants a vote

Why does voting for gob warrant a vote

Gamma never voted for gob

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Scum coaching is a myth, scum has daytalk.

I don't think you're scum coaching but leading statements like that is a real form of scum coaching in that you give then an easy out to take the "correct" position

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Scum coaching is a myth, scum has daytalk.

I don't think you're scum coaching but leading statements like that is a real form of scum coaching in that you give then an easy out to take the "correct" position

Hmm maybe

(I have never done or seen this aa scum, I always talk with my teammates about what to do in the PT)

We've done it as scum in the past but it's pretty rare, generally you need a good amount of chemistry with your teammates as well as be good at powerwolfing to pull it off well

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Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

I think there's def scum on yess; you and gamma are pretty much the only people on the wagon with real reasons for your votes and they're not that strong that it'd cause the level of bandwagoning we're seeing

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Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

I think there's def scum on yess; you and gamma are pretty much the only people on the wagon with real reasons for your votes and they're not that strong that it'd cause the level of bandwagoning we're seeing

Okay. Who do you think is the scum on the wagon then?

idk we're waiting for the votecount to see who voted for yess

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DE's a lame vote, we should quickhammer Gamma

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Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

I think there's def scum on yess; you and gamma are pretty much the only people on the wagon with real reasons for your votes and they're not that strong that it'd cause the level of bandwagoning we're seeing

Okay. Who do you think is the scum on the wagon then?

idk we're waiting for the votecount to see who voted for yess

I took me 20 seconds to look back and see who is voting for who

That's 20 seconds more than we're willing to put in this game

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Clearly not if you're just constantly on MS hitting refresh

Refreshing takes 0 seconds

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Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

I think there's def scum on yess; you and gamma are pretty much the only people on the wagon with real reasons for your votes and they're not that strong that it'd cause the level of bandwagoning we're seeing

What do you mean by this level of bandwagoning? Yessiree got 4 votes and Gamma got 3. Kinda weird for you to point at the yessiree wagon and not the Gamma one if we're going to talk about weak reasons to vote for people

Yessiree votes are OMGUS (Gamma), unelaborated meta read (DE), "stop being mean to gamma (You), and Naerys (forgot what the reason was), you get why it's weird the wagon is this big and this weak

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Clearly not if you're just constantly on MS hitting refresh

Refreshing takes 0 seconds

So you are staring at your phone/computer hitting refresh waiting for people to post but you can't put in the effort to see who is voting for who even though you think one of them is definitely scum?

Yes

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Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

I think there's def scum on yess; you and gamma are pretty much the only people on the wagon with real reasons for your votes and they're not that strong that it'd cause the level of bandwagoning we're seeing

What do you mean by this level of bandwagoning? Yessiree got 4 votes and Gamma got 3. Kinda weird for you to point at the yessiree wagon and not the Gamma one if we're going to talk about weak reasons to vote for people

Yessiree votes are OMGUS (Gamma), unelaborated meta read (DE), "stop being mean to gamma (You), and Naerys (forgot what the reason was), you get why it's weird the wagon is this big and this weak

I don't think a 4 vote wagon based on weak reasons on page 7 is weird at all

It is when there's a perfectly good Gamma wagon to hop on

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Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

I think there's def scum on yess; you and gamma are pretty much the only people on the wagon with real reasons for your votes and they're not that strong that it'd cause the level of bandwagoning we're seeing

What do you mean by this level of bandwagoning? Yessiree got 4 votes and Gamma got 3. Kinda weird for you to point at the yessiree wagon and not the Gamma one if we're going to talk about weak reasons to vote for people

Yessiree votes are OMGUS (Gamma), unelaborated meta read (DE), "stop being mean to gamma (You), and Naerys (forgot what the reason was), you get why it's weird the wagon is this big and this weak

Sure, boil my read down to OMGUS, makes you look real clever

Your sus on yessiree started cause he agreed with us and called your push weak, the meta thing from you came later

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Do you think the Gamma wagon was built on strong reasons?

We're on it aren't we?

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Do you think the Gamma wagon was built on strong reasons?

We're on it aren't we?

That doesn't mean anything

That's pretty clearly a yes, do better

Why is Gamma scum?

Entire exchange leading up to the vote at

VOTE: usesPython
I was hoping for something better than that.

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Your sus on yessiree started cause he agreed with us and called your push weak, the meta thing from you came later

I opted not to vote until I had tangible reasons though, try harder

Translation: I opted to shade instead of vote until someone gave me a reason to

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You’re incredibly annoying rn

Thanks, we do our best

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Dragon could you talk some sense into python? I don’t want to engage with a player who is essentially rage baiting me

@DragonEater70

please do this because I don’t care to have Python continually taking potshots while being obtuse whenever I try to actually interact with them

Sure we can move on to other people for now

VOTE: Naerys

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Actually no Naerys has the same scumtone in her posts as the town game we played with her

VOTE: Black

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I am easily influenced by people who make me laugh I should probably take this game more seriously

Same except for the taking the game more seriously part

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…. I’m townreading all the people that are townreading my scumreads. Which seems like an issue for after de flips.

Have you tried scumreading anyone who disagrees with you? Pretty strong strat in our opinion

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…. I’m townreading all the people that are townreading my scumreads. Which seems like an issue for after de flips.

Have you tried scumreading anyone who disagrees with you? Pretty strong strat in our opinion

If by strong you mean that it will cause everything to look nice on paper, sure

It doesn't guarantee that your reads will be any better than random, though.

Not strong as in high winrate, strong as in a neologism for based

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Not strong as in high winrate, strong as in a neologism for based

Pretty weird neologism
I would consider “based” a neologism in itself

Boomers these days smh

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Millennials these days smh

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Anyone under the age of 20 doesn't even know what a forum is so really if you're still under 40 you're young on this site

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I will conjure a red check on the next person to call gob scum

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gob is scum

You have sealed your fate, prepare for day 2

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Forum mafia players when they find out young people don't use forums

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VOTE: Firebringer

was here longer than 5 minutes

Mafia is an addiction no one can escape

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VOTE: Firebringer

was here longer than 5 minutes

I do lowkey think this is unironically a good point

Mafia is addicting

OMG mindmeld, guys I think Black is scum

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Although we are both at fault for plagiarizing Enchant

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Just sheep furtive, he's town

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I’ve had a pocket scumread on python and that yessir is getting caught up with the wrong crowd for…8 or so pages now.

That’s an icky furtive read.

It's not a read

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I’ll talk about what gave me the heebiejeebies on you then python. If you wanna walk me through the process of the the deflecting off of de for gamma -> townreading Yessir -> de voting yessir but focusing elsewhere (gamma) instead.

Felt the DE vote on gob was bad, remembered that DE normally has cringe votes like that, RVS'd Gamma, turned it into a real vote, townread yessiree for mindmelding that the Gamma push on us was weaksauce, and I don't get what the last arrow is saying

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Crazy how we're gonna hit 20 pages before the first votecount

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okay so uh

are you suggesting just
have everyone else be able to guilty or inno as they please then and then when the cop dies or claims then we know that their innos and guilties are real

Why not? Cop can just come out fr fr when we're either mechanically winning or about to hit ELO

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(This is also good for us cause we can red check fire without immediately dying)

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Spoiler: scum

- gob
i was honestly going to put gob in the same tier as firebringer after reading gobs posting but then i see a bunch of people saying to not scum read gob and then i put firebringer in the town tier instead of unreadable to antagonize him specifically
so i am going to do this to antagonize everyone saying not to scum read gob
but in reality same as firebringer i am going to give up on reading this slot for now
treat them and firebringer as being their own little island of unreadable by me

Your fate is sealed, prepare for day 3

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Has anyone ever actually been correct in scumreading weird writing styles?

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I think I'm scumreading the way Theta posts. It's almost like he's trying to type in a way that makes it seem like he's thinking and reconsidering in the middle of his thought. It feels...unnatural?

I feel like it's easily verifiable just by looking at his town games and seeing if he types like this but I'm half asleep on mobile atm. Can anyone that has played with theta confirm if this is normal?

Spoiler: Some examples

i

wait what

no i was not suggesting fake claiming guilties
i probably should have clarified that
it would still be messy having a bunch of people having to put innos on their scum reads though to be fair

i

wait what

no i was not suggesting fake claiming guilties
i probably should have clarified that
it would still be messy having a bunch of people having to put innos on their scum reads though to be fair

This seems like a REALLY bad idea
Having everyone claim an inno on a scumread seems like the fast track to outing the cop

that

oh hmm
i guess hypoclaiming innos or guilties on scum reads are both bad then
okay but if we do the strategy where vanilla town put their hypoclaims on townreads instead
then the actual cop would stick out like a sore thumb having investigated their scum read instead

i mean
unless the actual cop investigated their town reads but
that weakens the cop a good deal

is

is there a reason why trading one for one with scum is not viable for the cop in this setup

that would

make a lot more sense then what i was thinking

that

hmm

that works best then i think yeah
and we just do not pay much attention to the hypoclaims in the respect of being claims until after the cop comes out

ngl we thought DE posted this and were about to give him a pass but what da heck why is Black posting this

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I think I'm scumreading the way Theta posts. It's almost like he's trying to type in a way that makes it seem like he's thinking and reconsidering in the middle of his thought. It feels...unnatural?

I feel like it's easily verifiable just by looking at his town games and seeing if he types like this but I'm half asleep on mobile atm. Can anyone that has played with theta confirm if this is normal?

Spoiler: Some examples

i

wait what

no i was not suggesting fake claiming guilties
i probably should have clarified that
it would still be messy having a bunch of people having to put innos on their scum reads though to be fair

i

wait what

no i was not suggesting fake claiming guilties
i probably should have clarified that
it would still be messy having a bunch of people having to put innos on their scum reads though to be fair

This seems like a REALLY bad idea
Having everyone claim an inno on a scumread seems like the fast track to outing the cop

that

oh hmm
i guess hypoclaiming innos or guilties on scum reads are both bad then
okay but if we do the strategy where vanilla town put their hypoclaims on townreads instead
then the actual cop would stick out like a sore thumb having investigated their scum read instead

i mean
unless the actual cop investigated their town reads but
that weakens the cop a good deal

is

is there a reason why trading one for one with scum is not viable for the cop in this setup

that would

make a lot more sense then what i was thinking

that

hmm

that works best then i think yeah
and we just do not pay much attention to the hypoclaims in the respect of being claims until after the cop comes out

ngl we thought DE posted this and were about to give him a pass but what da heck why is Black posting this

???

Why would you think Dragon posted it? And why does it matter if it comes from me or him?

Seemed like a DE type post to scumread something thats never gonna be AI but it's weird coming from you cause you're normally pretty on point

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Like either it's Theta's normal posting style so no scumread or she has a normal posting style as town and the most obvious scumtell on the planet that no one called her out on

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This just feels like you are making a mountain out of a mole hill python. You kinda suck at reading me

That's our secret, we suck at reading everyone

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Not vibing with 559 but we'll let it play out

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So fuck me for trying to find meaning that wasn’t there ig

Scumreading other people: cool and good
Getting scumread: literally a personal attack

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Like that seems like an overreaction for what essentially amounted to two people not vibing with a post

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Anyway now I really gotta disappear into the aether so I will finish catching up later k thanks.

I just don’t trust posts like this
The big ping for me was seeing “I’ll catch up later” since I believe scum like to lag behind to avoid getting into real time interactions they don’t want

Are you saying you think DE doesn't have things to do irl and is using it as an excuse?

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Anyway now I really gotta disappear into the aether so I will finish catching up later k thanks.

I just don’t trust posts like this
The big ping for me was seeing “I’ll catch up later” since I believe scum like to lag behind to avoid getting into real time interactions they don’t want

Are you saying you think DE doesn't have things to do irl and is using it as an excuse?

He probably still does have those things if he’s scum, it’s just kinda functioning as cover. I don’t like using this without other supporting evidence though. I’ve seen people get heated over it.

I don't get how you're getting anything AI from that then, if he has shit to do irl then he's still gonna have it and need to catch up regardless of him PM unless you're saying that within the span of a day he decided to add more irl stuff on his plate as a response to rolling maf

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dragon had a similar vibe in c9++ (posting in bursts in catchup style and minimizing real-time interactions), so i kinda get what gamma is saying, but also kinda too early to pass judgement on it
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imma let it play out

Yeah but Dragon isn't avoiding real time convo's this game though, the first 5 pages are him having real time interactions

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the entirety of monday even was DE having real time convo's

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That makes sense

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VOTE: firebringer

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im here for .5 seconds. AMA

What's your credit card number and the three digits on the back?

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Dragon is my n0, he is cool and town.
Gamma and Black also feel townish.
I am suspicious of Bella, Hu Tao and yessiree.

Sorry but I'm the cop

no i am the cop

If you're a cop you can't fake a red check so who's

really

winning here?

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Dragon is my n0, he is cool and town.
Gamma and Black also feel townish.
I am suspicious of Bella, Hu Tao and yessiree.

Sorry but I'm the cop

no i am the cop

If you're a cop you can't fake a red check so who's

really

winning here?

like hell i can't fake a red check!
n0 guilty: Firebringer

checkmate loser

Mafia cop gang who tf up

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Btw please do explain what “easily refutable” reasons I’ve given because I have only made like one or two points when there’s others I have in reserve.

TIL people in this thread are mindreaders who know all your points before you even post them

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Btw please do explain what “easily refutable” reasons I’ve given because I have only made like one or two points when there’s others I have in reserve.

TIL people in this thread are mindreaders who know all your points before you even post them

Aren't you also a mindreader?

No we just see the future, it's a different ability

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Is that supposed to be some sort of own?
I held them because I wanted to see how kyouko reacted when I had my blade sheathed. But since she claims me as her n0 that won’t really do much.

It's not an own we're just pointing out that if you're holding your cards so close to your chest that you don't even post them you shouldn't be surprised when people don't know about them

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Yeah that’s kinda the point of my question to DE there, he assumed all I had were weak reasons

Unsurprisingly if you only post weak reasons and keep your strong reasons in reserve people will think you only have weak reasons

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Specifically, this is like the second time you’ve had a problem with my doing the content equivalent of trying to draw blood from a stone. I get the feeling your ratio of miselims to scum elims you’ve driven is pretty abysmal.

Wrt dragon, I feel like he’s being intentionally cagey and maybe feels a bit called out by 559

Also I think in general DE’s play looks scummy from several angles

Anyway now I really gotta disappear into the aether so I will finish catching up later k thanks.

I just don’t trust posts like this
The big ping for me was seeing “I’ll catch up later” since I believe scum like to lag behind to avoid getting into real time interactions they don’t want

Are you saying you think DE doesn't have things to do irl and is using it as an excuse?

He probably still does have those things if he’s scum, it’s just kinda functioning as cover.

I don’t like using this without other supporting evidence though

. I’ve seen people get heated over it.

Did you not notice these?

We assumed the first one was talking about hating the "will catch up" posts and the second one was about evidence that you don't have now but will later, especially considering you weren't even voting for DE there

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I don't want to stop the momentum on FB by moving my vote, but I'm feeling very strongly that DE is scum. It's conflicting

Don't scumside, this aint scum!DE

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I think there's a scum or two in yess/RCE/furt. Yes I know they all SR me, but it's not JUST omgus. I'll explain:

yess is openwolfing, coasting, and not solving at all. I have no idea why anyone is TRing them beyond mindmelding on their SR on me, which is a very easy read to make. Also their tone is all wrong.

furtive posts reads and when asks about them refuses to elaborate. Also his reads sound like there's not that much thought behind them. When I compare this with the amount of thought that went into his reads in Love Child (a town game of his), it's like night and day. I feel like his scum game includes giving easy reads and being unhelpful, which is what he's doing here IMO.

RCE had a post which pinged me as possible pocket of yess in a town!yess world, namely the post saying "I was scumreading yess until I mind melded on dragon being scum", except that is a really easy / shallow read and you shouldn't be mind melding about it (I'm specifically referring to scumreading my 40, which is like, yeah). Then he makes a vote on me in a way which I actually thought was towny, but then proceeds to lurk and not actually try to push me at all, which reads like coasting scum.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

It's not furtive, yess can definitely be solvy on both sides so we're just waiting on that front, and scumreading people for lurking is zzz

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That is such an annoying pist Python

Why isn't it furtive?

Green check

Do you have a better scumread than RCE?

Gamma but we're just gonna solve that issue tonight anyways

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You and DE I think, to be clear. There's not any thought

process

to it, no reasoning is involved. I just thought when I was reading it, it seemed unnatural. As did DE's eagerness to join in. This probably makes you unaligned though the more I think on it

Drinking some fizzy water now to get my juices flowing again

I just find it hard to believe that you think my page 3 stuff is the scummiest thing in the game and is your most confident read. It comes across as scum trying not to spew as opposed to town thinking critically about the game and trying to solve it

Scum on their way to antispew in the first real post they make

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You and DE I think, to be clear. There's not any thought

process

to it, no reasoning is involved. I just thought when I was reading it, it seemed unnatural. As did DE's eagerness to join in. This probably makes you unaligned though the more I think on it

Drinking some fizzy water now to get my juices flowing again

I just find it hard to believe that you think my page 3 stuff is the scummiest thing in the game and is your most confident read. It comes across as scum trying not to spew as opposed to town thinking critically about the game and trying to solve it

Scum on their way to antispew in the first real post they make

Are you townreading kyouko's catch up?

We're not scumreading it

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If you are implying that townies can't be interested in why someone they suspect scumreads them then I think you're way off here

Who is this in response to?

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Theta moving gob from scum to town after we threatened her with a red check is stoking our paranoia rn

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That’s a very circuitous method of calling me scum in that interaction

Also why is theater the “at worst” option and association play the “at best” option? Why is one preferred at all?!?

They call you scum in literally the next post, the "at best/worst" is pretty clearly talking about preflip associatives with DE so at worst would be the harsh view of DE being scum cause theater and at best would be the generous view of DE being town cause you'd be trying to look partnered with DE

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naerys feels like she's selfconscious and focussed on how she appears in the game

hu tao rule of 3 from naerys post and her content feels ? she mentions reading a few times but has no content on what she's read

Naerys defensiveness only lasted until page 5 so that feels like a stale read

Hu Tao's explicitly said they're not reading the first 18 pages and that they've only read one page so idk where you're getting that from

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I don't think Naerys has really tried to do anything

Is that scum indicative for her? Only town game we played with her she was a viable wagon all game so it's hard to meta her here off of that

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if you think my Naerys read is stale, what do you think Naerys has done that's townie?

We don't think Naerys has done much this game we just thought the basis of your naerys read hasn't been happening since RVS

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Why do you think she's town?

why should i bother answering ur questions. I townread u and don't care that ur wrong on me

wdym wrong? I thought you were the mafia cop

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Black is playing mind games and i think she is playing me like a fiddle because she almost got me to put in effort!!!

Gonna call you the Vanilla Townie if you don't put in effort

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fr there should have been at least 20

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or maybe not i reread iso theres more aggressive poking there than i first thought.
maybe im just seeing the avatar and think he is being more friendly than actually is

LOL

Do you know that since Black changed her avatar I started townreading her like 200% more than before

Anime pfp's are 70% less likely to be scumread according to this stat we just made up

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I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

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I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

Can you elaborate on your read on her?

We're not bothering to sort people we don't know, easier to just sort the easy ones and sheep accordingly

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(except gamma but she started it)

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I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

Python: claims that DE only makes cringe votes

Also Python: sheeps DE

CRINGE.

We're actually sheepmaxxing furtive, FB train just wasn't doing it for us

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We probably need a VC because if Ari is cop I will be mad if she's accidentally hammered.

List of real cops in order:

1. Python
   
2. Firebringer

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We probably need a VC because if Ari is cop I will be mad if she's accidentally hammered.

List of real cops in order:

1. Python
   
2. Firebringer

Oh okay this bolsters my theory that Python IS actually the real cop and has a green check on me but has decided to troll the fuck out of everyone (especially me).

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Kinda regretting that we didnt think of faking a n0 at the start of the game and then posting the real one at the end of the day

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List of real cops in order:

1. DE
   
2. Python
   
3. FB

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What does the order mean?

It was revealed to us in a dream

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People with tier votes:

1. gob
   
2. ari

[usesPython]

i am a juicy alternative

Yeah but if we kill you now we can't get a red check on you tomorrow

[usesPython]

right
let me reiterate what i said earlier
i would rather sort you with a cop action then a wagon

If the choice is lim ari/cop fb or lim fb/cop ari why wouldn't you wanna lim fb? actually nvm fb is being useful so we answered our own question

[usesPython]

I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

Can you elaborate on your read on her?

We're not bothering to sort people we don't know, easier to just sort the easy ones and sheep accordingly

this doesn't seem like a good way to actually get better at reading people

If we ever decide to become a competitive mafia player we'll keep that in mind

[usesPython]

If we ever decide to become a competitive mafia player we'll keep that in mind

this response is disgusting regardless of your alignment and you should be eliminated immediately

Good to see you're not actually interested in sorting us

[usesPython]

If we ever decide to become a competitive mafia player we'll keep that in mind

this response is disgusting regardless of your alignment and you should be eliminated immediately

Good to see you're not actually interested in sorting us

???

Didn't you just say you're not interested in sorting most of the playerlist?

Yeah but it's different when ari does it cause if us not caring is supposedly disgusting then that'd imply she should actually care to play the game

[usesPython]

Like if sorting people accurately is so important to ari why isnt she doing it?

[usesPython]

there's two worlds that could exist:

(1) You're mafia, you're doing some 0 effort shitpush on me. ok cool I'm voting mafia.

(2) You're town, you don't care about my alignment or sorting me, you're voting me because someone told you to, you don't care about this game, when someone tells you to try to sort instead of playing like you don't care your response is "lol this isnt professional mafia"

and in world (2) your attitude pisses me off to a degree that I can't even put into words.

your lackadaiscal I dont give a fuck about ill just do whatever teehee this isnt for money is just such an annoying attitude that I hate it to the root of my being.

so yes I would be fine yeeting you in world (2) because frankly you deserve it.

Are you forgetting that we're sheeping town? Your stance here implies you should policy anyone that sheeps anyone and that doesn't seem like a real thought

[usesPython]

Python I've never seen you have the mindset of refusing to sort players you don't know. Why are you doing that?

Most of the stuff on people we don't know has been "They're playing differently than x town/scum game" and we can't really do much with that so we just gave up

[usesPython]

986 wasn't fully serious, we still try to sort people when we have actual stuff we can work with

[usesPython]

Python I've never seen you have the mindset of refusing to sort players you don't know. Why are you doing that?

Most of the stuff on people we don't know has been "They're playing differently than x town/scum game" and we can't really do much with that so we just gave up

I'd argue this extends to the people we've played with too but at least there we can pull out our own meta reads and interact with the game from there

[usesPython]

Python I've never seen you have the mindset of refusing to sort players you don't know. Why are you doing that?

Most of the stuff on people we don't know has been "They're playing differently than x town/scum game" and we can't really do much with that so we just gave up

This is baffling
Can’t you at least try to form opinions based on

this game

?

We'll do that when people start forming opinions based on this game that we can then form opinions on

Ball's in your court people

[usesPython]

We'll do that when people start forming opinions based on this game that we can then form opinions on

Python pretending I don't have opinions this game is just utterly ridiculous

You had like one non-meta read which was on Naerys which we talked about, rest of them were again meta reads but go off

[usesPython]

Like you see determined to read "We can't do shit about slots we have no meta on until people stop using meta" as "No one has done anything". Meta reads are real reads, we just can't use them if we don't also have meta on that person

[usesPython]

ssbm_Kyouko - idk
TheHoldSteady - seems good
Bellaphant - idk
Gamma Emerald - idk
DragonEater70 - idk
Aristeia - i got my eye on em
Black - seems good
Firebringer - i got my eye on em
yessiree - seems good
Naerys - idk
Meuh - seems good
Hu Tao - i got my eye on em
RCEnigma - idk
furtiveglance - really good
Theta Alpine - seems good
usesPython - seems good

What you think Ari? Which ones do you disagree with the most?

Why meuh town?

[usesPython]

ssbm_Kyouko - idk - lean town
TheHoldSteady - seems good - dunno
Bellaphant - idk - lean town
Gamma Emerald - idk - town
DragonEater70 - idk - lean town
Aristeia - i got my eye on em
Black - seems good - lean scum
Firebringer - i got my eye on em - town
yessiree - seems good - scum lean
Naerys - idk - scum lean
Meuh - seems good - dunno
Hu Tao - i got my eye on em - scum lean
RCEnigma - idk - townlean
furtiveglance - really good - dunno
Theta Alpine - seems good - dunno
usesPython - seems good - i dont know if i scumread this person or I just dislike them

here i wrote my thoughts on the right

Why is bella a town lean

[usesPython]

I think that's a believable read from you

[usesPython]

Why is kyoko a town lean?

VOTE: Firebringer

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Firebringer

this has been gibs THIRD attempt to speed a bandwagon with ten days left but no one cares i guess

speedwagoning is cool tho

[usesPython]

VOTE: Python

Is this a continuation of the bee gees from earlier or is it something spicier?

[usesPython]

I haven't read anything since page 40

I had a fever and a headache, but I communicated with big Buddha.

Big Buddha told me that firebringer, aristeia, dragon eater, and Titus are the mafias

I was like omg thank you big Buddha!

VOTE: firebringer

Big Buddha out here having a 50% hit rate

Thank you big buddha

[usesPython]

fu fact
firebringer's response to black kinda feel like his play around spiffeh in the thing mafia from 2016
so he's probably town like in that game

Are ppl fr metaing 7 year old games?

[usesPython]

fu fact
firebringer's response to black kinda feel like his play around spiffeh in the thing mafia from 2016
so he's probably town like in that game

Are ppl fr metaing 7 year old games?

Problem?

Yeah actually, how are you getting anything useful from games that old

[usesPython]

fu fact
firebringer's response to black kinda feel like his play around spiffeh in the thing mafia from 2016
so he's probably town like in that game

Are ppl fr metaing 7 year old games?

Problem?

Yeah actually, how are you getting anything useful from games that old

not that old. People dont really change over time as much as people say, too

7 years ago we still thought we were cis and a singlet, that's a crazy amount of time to not change your town or scum game

[usesPython]

fu fact
firebringer's response to black kinda feel like his play around spiffeh in the thing mafia from 2016
so he's probably town like in that game

Are ppl fr metaing 7 year old games?

Problem?

Yeah actually, how are you getting anything useful from games that old

I think it’s niche enough that it wouldn’t be manipulated
That’s what a good chunk of tells I’ve crafted end up being. Anything widely applicable is prone to decay as people play around it.

What exactly was his play around spiffeh? We don't feel like reading 2016 games rn

[usesPython]

He was essentially a rival to him, in a way I would describe as playful, like he was just vibing while being anti-Spiffeh’s townblock
There’s an image that was posted of FB’s clan in that game that aligned with his mindset that was iconic imo

That doesn't really sound like a niche meta but we haven't actually played with FB ever to know if you're right

[usesPython]

Spoiler: beeg

I have some unbaked thoughts about Ari and Naerys

Alrighty

I've had a good night's sleep and then a chill day, and now the bakery inside my mind is operating in full cpacity, and all my thoughts are fully baked.

Let's roll.

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 1

you just feel like you're having a lot of fun

tbh this is like the least reliable way to read someone because the last time I read sakura this way she was mafia

im like pretty unlikely to put the effort into this game to actually do some hardcore solving but gth i think naerys hu tao and black feel kinda scummy

So these posts, like I said before, pinged me as scummy and not really putting thought into the game in a way that I hadn't seen town!Ari do.

But then I saw these posts:

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 2

i am pretty sure black is town and willing to put her in w/e name i give to my town core group whenever i come up with a name for it.

why is naerys or hu tao scummy for u even if u want to give a sentence or somethin

naerys feels like she's selfconscious and focussed on how she appears in the game

hu tao rule of 3 from naerys post and her content feels ? she mentions reading a few times but has no content on what she's read

black because she's hu tao's inno result and also she feels so cool and collected when she gets pushed here, some of her comments feel p out of place with her progressions.

idk if ur doing a really good job of telling me a good version of what u think i will think is a good reason to call me townie or u really believe it. If its fake its pretty good ngl

its not a great reason to call someone town its a p bad reason for a read tbh but I'm unlikely to actually commit more effort to this game because I want to be more casual and less tryhardy to enjoy the game more. I don't want people to get mad at me for being too suffocating.

i might even throw meuh in as a 4th scumread but that feels LAZY and I can't read her for shit lol

And these posts kinda pinged town. And I did agree that there was something off about Naerys play this game (more on this later). However, despite the fact that these posts are towny in a vacuum, I still felt this is scum!Ari by meta.

So I actually went and did meta research on Ari, or at least tried to because apparently she only has one scum game on this site aside from Fruit Mafia. But anyway the point is I did look at her town games and apparently Ari is not ALWAYS a tryhard townie, there's also a laid back version of town!Ari that wants to be carried (for example in the game "The Coalition, Again"). So this makes the entire meta scumread on her invalid tbh.

I also liked these posts and I think they are very similar to something Ari posted as town in Coalition of Frogs (Open 887):

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 3

what is my record for reading black? Is it 2/3 or 2/4 or what is it even at this point. I think Black progressions make sense for her? But she is just feeling like a different player and i guess thats just the mood/feeling in the game/day for her.

well when I say progression I mean like

293

this is directly at me and asking me to join her roleplay group and vote for RCE - which is kind of a way to defend Naerys because she's asking me to move from one suspect to another. I turned her down because I liked RCE's response in 289 because it felt like a very spontaneous and fun response to make in the moment - she then responds in 301 which is ?

like does she still think RCE is mafia at that point? does she like my read progression on RCE? if she does why's she still voting for him?

then she votes me at 735 and clarifies in 747 that she thinks I was pocketing her? which doesn't really make sense to me because like I turned her down in our brief interaction so I'm not sure how I was pocketing her.

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

I guess it was this

ok but if I'm mafia and posting that to pocket her and she offers me to join her court and vote a suspect of mine wouldnt it make sense for me to uh join her court and help her if that was my goal?

Anyways, I also skimmed Naerys ISO and I felt she hasn't been really solving this game. However, in both Mini Normal 2316 and Mini Theme 2318, she was also not really solving early. And she did do SOME solving this game. So I think I'm fine with not calling Naerys scum right now.

Hmm it kinda feels like I had more to say about Naerys but tbh I don't really. K let me post this and then go read the ~8 pages I'm missing.

Cool don't have to see any more, Dragon's locktown

[usesPython]

I get the sense Dragon is the type to hide in big posts and slanking.

Nah scum!Dragon can't case for shit, wall = town

[usesPython]

I get the sense Dragon is the type to hide in big posts and slanking.

Nah scum!Dragon can't case for shit, wall = town

this seems like a very pathetic way to read someone. Out of the three little pigs, you'd be the one to build your house with straw.

If DE can't case then he can't case, don't need to megamind it when he's this easy to read

[usesPython]

If DE can't case then he can't case, don't need to megamind it when he's this easy to read

yeah this isn't a viable long-term strategy, for either you or DE. As I see it, a player refusing to break a tell runs a particular risk (one that I don't want to directly mention because I don't want it thought that I'm suggesting it to be the case in this game). As such, that player has a motive to eventually break the tell since they face potential consequences if they don't. So trying to use a tell this black-and-white is setting yourself up for a big blunder when it's eventually broken.

It's not that he's refusing to break it, it's that he can't. It's like us trying to draw good. Once he finally learns to case as scum we'll get burned once in a single game and then stop using that tell, until then it's easy street for us

[usesPython]

Hmmm

I'm townreading Ari based on this game. Same with Gamma.

I'm scumreading yess and RC based on this game, even though RC is actually opposite his scum meta so I should be townreading him here.

Does that help?

Too late we've already locktowned you

[usesPython]

Pedit: I know you did, I'm saying that these might be reads to engage with that are not meta related? SInce you seem to lack anything not meta related to engage with.

Why RC? From memory they felt pretty solvy

[usesPython]

Why RC? From memory they felt pretty solvy

Solving felt fake

Any specific solving they did or like just in general?

[usesPython]

If DE can't case then he can't case, don't need to megamind it when he's this easy to read

yeah this isn't a viable long-term strategy, for either you or DE. As I see it, a player refusing to break a tell runs a particular risk (one that I don't want to directly mention because I don't want it thought that I'm suggesting it to be the case in this game). As such, that player has a motive to eventually break the tell since they face potential consequences if they don't. So trying to use a tell this black-and-white is setting yourself up for a big blunder when it's eventually broken.

It's not that he's refusing to break it, it's that he can't. It's like us trying to draw good. Once he finally learns to case as scum we'll get burned once in a single game and then stop using that tell, until then it's easy street for us

Do you think his case is good? I got the impression that you just saw a wall and then townread him for that

He pulled out like three different games and had a thread of logic that changed his read significantly, that's more than what he can do as scum

[usesPython]

He pulled out like three different games and had a thread of logic that changed his read significantly, that's more than what he can do as scum

Like more specifically it's the development of his ari meta read that made us locktown him, scum!DE would be gigalazy about it and just pick a narrative that suits him without mentioning the other games (probably from not reading those games) instead of tying it all together like that

[usesPython]

I never respond to people when they quote me in a big wall post. Too much work to remove other people's text and stuff.

Leave the full text in

[usesPython]

DragonEater might be mafia here.

yep can get behind this

Stop scumsiding

[usesPython]

I don't get why people want yes man dead

[usesPython]

DragonEater might be mafia here.

yep can get behind this

Stop scumsiding

no one has flipped yet.

Yes, and?

[usesPython]

DragonEater might be mafia here.

yep can get behind this

Stop scumsiding

huh? what u mean?
seems fine to me

It's cause DE on da town grindset

[usesPython]

It’s gonna be kinda out there but yessirs play is a violent 180 from the townplay I’m used to seeing out of them, I’ve only played against them as scum though. So much so that I don’t see such a drastic play difference as coming from scum. I’d expect some kind of emulation of their town game if they were. So that’s where I’m at.

Yeah basically

I am just giving scum yess less credit than you are, I guess, because to me the solution to this conundrum is that he's just scum

But actually I feel maybe the sample size I'm using is too small

Maybe I should also meta dive yess.

We've only played with yesscum but he's pretty good at giving off the "just vibin" vibe that he's giving off this game so we assumed that's his towngame too

[usesPython]

It’s gonna be kinda out there but yessirs play is a violent 180 from the townplay I’m used to seeing out of them, I’ve only played against them as scum though. So much so that I don’t see such a drastic play difference as coming from scum. I’d expect some kind of emulation of their town game if they were. So that’s where I’m at.

Yeah basically

I am just giving scum yess less credit than you are, I guess, because to me the solution to this conundrum is that he's just scum

But actually I feel maybe the sample size I'm using is too small

Maybe I should also meta dive yess.

We've only played with yesscum but he's pretty good at giving off the "just vibin" vibe that he's giving off this game so we assumed that's his towngame too

Read.

Our illiteracy kicked in so we only read up to like post 400 in his ISO. Outside of

Spoiler: Wall from other game

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

this wasn't a push so much as an attempt to sort RCE, out of respect for his scum game (he's a slippery weasel, ask Aureal ).
If i wanted to push him I would've cased him instead of trying to have a dialog, but i feel RCE isn't interested in having it - he is good at anticipating pushes on him and defusing it beforehand (fitting his scum meta)
this is also not real reason, explained here 219

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

echoing DE's sentiment

it seems like you're more interested in getting bogged down with "I said this, I didn't say that" arguments, than to have dialog that's more useful in helping to read you better

I don't like how in the first post yessiree says

implication

(which, well, implies it's not something that RCE said but an inference that yessiree is trying to draw), but when RCE tries to correct what he meant it becomes "now you're getting bogged down in meaningless arguments". I think corrections like this are fine?

it should be more self explanatory given the full context

Spoiler:

Gth the only reads I have right now are aureal prob town enchant prob town.

How do u have a read on Aureal and not on a slot with way more content

Well you’re assuming all content can generate a read. Which isn’t the case.

Aureal slamming the policy vote seemed townie to me and no one else did a townie thing. Enchant is townie for the emoji thing and a byproduct of celebs posting but emojis can only take him so far so that’s more of a quicksand read.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

i probe him to see if his aureal and him only having 2 probtowns reads at that point was authentic or fabricated out of necessity for getting out of a jam
he responds that not all content can generate a read, but later changes this to say he didn't find any content town indicative. I felt he was using not finding anything town indicative as a justification to not having any reads
his explanation about how Aureal could've done this or that was all conjecture and i felt both replies were engineered to lead to nowhere (which, again fits his scum meta)

@yessiree:

can you clarify if your scumread of Kitty is because he cannot justify his read on RCE or because he is posting in short bursts in general?

both kitty and RCE were both individually scummy players, and i was tryna see if i could draw some sort of associative between the 2, i dont plan on using this right way but it'll be useful later on
the kitty read i already explained in more details in our back and forth, i dont feel like regurgitating it again. Is there anything u don't agree with? or you have reasons to townread him?

he doesn't really feel that different compared to here

[usesPython]

Like can people actually be specific instead of just going "here read this game with no context for what to look for" or "he's different compared to an unspecified game I played"

[usesPython]

I played with Firebringer as scum and he has jokey non serious pop ins all the time. This game he is playing pretty similar.

Does he do that as town?

[usesPython]

What did the wolf say to the pie?

I do CRUST you

Get it?

What did he mean by this?

[usesPython]

Crazy talk, a pie would never hurt anyone

[usesPython]

I think yessiree is acting. No meta so don't know if this is usual or not, but it's definitely feeling like a persona.

I can kinda see a persona vibe, we've correctly scumread yes man with that read in that past

[usesPython]

VOTE: yessiree

[usesPython]

Dave has not said he scumreads you. If he doesn’t scum read you, why the FUCK would he scum case you?

If he iso's me and thinks I'm scum, then he should scum case me. I thought that was clear from what I'm saying. This seems like an overreact from you

That's not what you said tho?

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

[usesPython]

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

If you seriously think this is indicating “you should case me if you end up thinking I’m scum from that”, YOU NEED HELP.

You should prob chill a bit btw

[usesPython]

Dave has not said he scumreads you. If he doesn’t scum read you, why the FUCK would he scum case you?

If he iso's me and thinks I'm scum, then he should scum case me. I thought that was clear from what I'm saying. This seems like an overreact from you

That's not what you said tho?

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

These two things do seem very similar if not exactly the same

Second one reads as an unconditional command to us

[usesPython]

The two leading wagons being on people who are afk feels significant

[usesPython]

The two leading wagons being on people who are afk feels significant

What if both wagons consolidated on FB

VOTE: FB

Be the change you want to see in the world

[usesPython]

The two leading wagons being on people who are afk feels significant

Are they both really afk? Titus is but yessiree posted a fair amount the last 24 hours.

I caught a flu

vla for 2 days

[usesPython]

I don't think anyone's even acknowledged my vote, or Bella's presence in the game so far

Bella's so invisible this game that we didn't even see your vote

[usesPython]

Kinda don't think a wagon on someone who's only skimming this game will do much

[usesPython]

I don't really townread Bella but I don't scumread her either. She just seems busy

She's in the Court though so I don't really want to vote there

this is always the problem with townblocs that are just memes

Do you think Bella is scum or do you just need more from the slot? Cause if it's the latter a wagon probably isn't gonna be doing anything that you couldn't do with direct questions

[usesPython]

Why is Bella scum?

[usesPython]

VOTE: dave

[usesPython]

I'm not sure if this was said or not but if we are voting someone out and they claim cop we should just vote them out and not ask for a cc. Scum will claim cop and try to bait out real cop.

If someone claims Cop we should just not cc and leave them alive until a day before ELO and proceed as if they flipped scum dayplay wise. Lets real cop get more clears which means scum will shoot them anyways to prevent being mechanically locked out of the game

[usesPython]

I'm waiting for someone to scumcase me

What if we just limmed you without ever making a scumcase?

VOTE: Hu Tao

[usesPython]

I'm not sure if this was said or not but if we are voting someone out and they claim cop we should just vote them out and not ask for a cc. Scum will claim cop and try to bait out real cop.

If someone claims Cop we should just not cc and leave them alive until a day before ELO and proceed as if they flipped scum dayplay wise. Lets real cop get more clears which means scum will shoot them anyways to prevent being mechanically locked out of the game

Nope we vote them out

More votes on Hu Tao

[usesPython]

Replacing Black.

This is so sad

[usesPython]

Siri, play despacito.

I'm totally out of touch with whatever meaning this has, if any.

"This is so sad, alexa play despacito" is a meme, they're continuing our

Replacing Black.

This is so sad

[usesPython]

Having to explain gen z memes gives me weird feelings

[usesPython]

VOTE: Theta

[usesPython]

VOTE: Theta

Nah I don't think vanity wagons will get us anywhere in this gamestate

Turn it into a real wagon then

[usesPython]

VOTE: Theta

Serious vote btw

[usesPython]

VOTE: Theta

Nah I don't think vanity wagons will get us anywhere in this gamestate

Turn it into a real wagon then

How about you help me sort the nulls instead? And then we can wagon whomever you want.

Sort the nulls but don't wagon them

[usesPython]

VOTE: Theta

Serious vote btw

Do you have a case to present?

40 post ISO with vague reads and no jokes probably flips scum

[usesPython]

Do you interact much with people who think in another language and have to translate it to English?

Not that I know of

[usesPython]

Naerys feels town here

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

I need one of Fire, Titus, or Python to tell me who to vote.

Also, from the few nuggets of this game I read I will say Ari is town.

And Python might be scum, but I still might listen to them when they tell me who to vote(unless it is Ari).

I may or may not catch up tonight, but will try to pay attention to the last few pages and current events and such.

Theta, yes man, or Who Tao

[usesPython]

I saw we were doing readlist now

ssbm_kyouko/Titus


TheHoldSteady/davesaz


Bellaphant


Gamma Emerald


gob


DragonEater70


Aristeia


Black/Doctor Drew


Firebringer


yessiree


Naerys


Meuh


Hu Tao


RCEnigma


furtiveglance


Theta Alpine


usesPython

We can't read cat, someone translate

[usesPython]

What do you think?
@dave
@python
@meuh
@hu tao
@drew
@gamma

Why are davey jones and meuh so high up

[usesPython]

Which ones don't u get

Only ones we got were the smile filter and the frowny face kyoko

[usesPython]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

I'm null on all 3

If you’re still null on me, you’re not fucking trying.

Why should I Town read me? Cause you've been aggressive at me all game?

You don't scumread the aggression? I think the point being made is that there should be enough content from Gamma to have

some

sort of read, whether town or scum

[usesPython]

I have given opinions. I think your anger is NAI and based on posts I don't know if you're town or not. I don't see why that is a big deal

Do you seriously see the anger as the only notable thing I’ve done? That’s fucking bogus.

Read your posts to me directly and tell me where a non anger post was.

Not the issue at hand, Gamma can madpost and still be advancing the game. What's your read on that

[usesPython]

Like Gamma's been mad a lot this game but she's still be doing stuff, go make reads off of that

[usesPython]

Like I said, I don't have a read on her.

Is it that you've read everything Gamma has done and concluded that she's null rn or do you not have a read cause you haven't made one yet?

[usesPython]

Like I said, I don't have a read on her.

Is it that you've read everything Gamma has done and concluded that she's null rn or do you not have a read cause you haven't made one yet?

I'm not sure what you're asking at this point. Are you implying I'm not reading?

We're asking if your null read on Gamma is a "yeah I can't read her" type beat or more of a "oh yeah gamma is in this game"

[usesPython]

Like Gamma's been mad a lot this game but she's still be doing stuff, go make reads off of that

You wolfing Python?

Always

[usesPython]

What's your read on me python?

You're pretty low on the list tbh

[usesPython]

Hu Tao your current approach feels evasive and subversive

[usesPython]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[usesPython]

BTW I think python could be scum here. They've done something similar where they were impossible to reason with and they were scum there. Could be a similar case here.

Stop fencesitting on an active slot that's not trollposting with 200+ posts and we'll become a lot more reasonable pretty quickly

[usesPython]

Hu Tao is town. They are always "quiet" as town. I can quote you a whole bunch of games where they are like this.

Comparing this game with Mini Normal 2316 they're a lot less pointy (yeah idk how to explain it better) this game, like yeah they're not that present normally but they still have like opinions and stuff instead of just passing their turn like they're doing here

[usesPython]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

I'm null on all 3

Going back to this, why are you null on Python? I can get being null on Meuh

I changed my Python read to scummy. Meuh I'm unsure on because I'm not sure how to take that they asked me how they felt we are on the same wagon but didn't explain.

Why were we null before?

[usesPython]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

I'm null on all 3

Going back to this, why are you null on Python? I can get being null on Meuh

I changed my Python read to scummy. Meuh I'm unsure on because I'm not sure how to take that they asked me how they felt we are on the same wagon but didn't explain.

Why were we null before?

Does null not mean no read? It's cause I had no read on you

As in you read our full ISO and concluded it's all NAI/the AI cancel each other out or as in "wait Python is in this game?"

[usesPython]

I think the issue people are having with your null reads is there’s no indication of any distinction between “null because I haven’t tried to sort them” and “null because I tried sorting them and got nowhere”.

this

[usesPython]

I'm not sure if you do reads differently. But I don't go up or down on people based on posts. I usually leave them blank until I have a read determined. You can check any of my games where I post reads. Sometimes I'll just say unsure next to people by day 2 or 3.

I think there might be a playstyle issue here, gonna sleep on it

[usesPython]

I'm not sure if you do reads differently. But I don't go up or down on people based on posts. I usually leave them blank until I have a read determined. You can check any of my games where I post reads. Sometimes I'll just say unsure next to people by day 2 or 3.

This doesn’t

sound

like a real thought process. I think you’re oversimplifying. You’re telling me you see something you can read and you suddenly snap to a full-confidence read on that player?

To be fair we do this too sometimes, it's just that we're also dropping lower confidence reads in the meantime

[usesPython]

Let's all vote Firebringer

VOTE: Firebringer

Especially you Python. Something doesn't seem right about you.

FB felt decently townie, get DE or furt to vote there if you want our vote

[usesPython]

Is there a link to a joint mod ISO?

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92036&user_se ... B%5D=30241

[usesPython]

wut?

Why would anyone be voting a townread on day 1? I get compromising on a null read. But if he thinks you're t v t, gob should be trying to make peace.

What. Day 1 is one of the only days you can get away with voting a townread. Anyway you are basically right. It is bad practice.

Do you normally want to get away with voting townreads as town?

[usesPython]

Ari are you actually scum

Ari are you actually scum

only if you are

Okay I guess Black was right about Ari/FB solve

VOTE: Ari

Serious vote

What's the case here, meta is acceptable