Open 905: Pick Your Power X/Y S/S [game over!]

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Brian I'm suing

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the draft has answers if we are willing to hear its whispers

we are going to get along.

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did u remember headphones? that's been my best trick lately.

the draft has answers if we are willing to hear its whispers

You have the same name as my cat although just her first name

your cat has a powerful name

She’s a pretty powerful cat. She has yellow eyes. Her fur is super soft too. Softest/smoothest of any cat ive pet, not even exaggerating.

Is she a tabby
a gray cat

I think if she was a warrior cat they would regret naming her before her eyes changed color because yellow is a historically good prefix for cats imo but she'd be something dumb and new age like softpelt or whatever. what does that say about a cat's abilities? nothing.

omg right??

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I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

Davesaz just admitted theyre wolfing everyone

why aren't u voting dave

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I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

It has two concerns with this post, both stemming from an assumption this is directed at it and it's post talking about you.

Firstly, it wants to allow for others to understand it and how it speaks. If it is not being understood, that is concerning for it. It can try its best to help you, but it speaks as it is because it is who it is.

Secondly, it wonders, perhaps from a place of deeper paranoia, if this isn't intended to discredit what we've said or choose not to engage with our concerns with you. It feels like you could likely erase those concerns by answering our questions we directed towards you, but for the moment we are a little... put off by this.

I had a similar moment before remembering that's kind of just how dave speaks, I don't think 1) he intended to discredit there, 2) he's naive enough to assume that post would discredit it

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safe flight, second best bird.

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the worst do u want to be a mason, penguinpower wants u in the club

absolutely not ive got my own masonry going

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aww I thought I was doing so wellllll

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I'd be surprised if I've ever picked anything but 3 in these games tbh

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I think reading too much into the draft would be a mistake. You have to go pretty deep into my history, given it's been ages since I played this (modded it a lot), but it will be clear I've always had this position.

It is of the opinion that this is a very defensive post that doesn't seem to have a prediction for how on guard it is. Yes, can you explain to it why you felt the need to bring up and defend yourself from an attack that hasn't even been levied?

Further, it thinks that the major element of this game is draft speculation and reading into player mentality for the choices that are made. Why shut that down?

There is a difference between using draft information as just information, and using it to predict alignments or team composition in the absence of other more important things like the actual posts and votes in the game. In prior games of this family of setups, I have seen players say things like "x and y can't possibly be scum together because they picked the same number", where in fact scum who are very confident in their discussion abilities might actually choose the same number specifically to be ruled out as teammates. Separately, the concept that x and y are more likely to be s/t than t/t picking the same number is also dangerous, as it is no more or less likely that scum would want to keep a PR out of town's hands than it is that two town really want a PR.

So I strongly recommend thinking first about what people say. That doesn't mean that the draft numbers should be ignored, I just don't think they're the first or only way to sort people.

Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?

This is p tangential but I do think the informed modifier increases the value of tanking the draft like, a certain %, so speculation is a lil more interesting than in the original pypx/y

not sure how many times this exact set-up has been run

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If you don't love me my the worst you won't see me my the best

this is where I'm at but I've never posted as the best

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the worst do u want to be a mason, penguinpower wants u in the club

absolutely not ive got my own masonry going

It’s called the scum PT isn’t it?

Why do you have to do this to me ducky?!

the world is a cruel cruel place!!

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I think I trend slightly towards liking PP voting me after May's objectively funny gotcha moment

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I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

Davesaz just admitted theyre wolfing everyone

why aren't u voting dave

Who i vote is of no concern to you. Don't question my actions ever again.

I literally so will tho ur gonna hate Mr

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June is kind of scummy and oblivion is kind of towny

Oblivion is towny, honestly if I had to take a punt I'd say Dave is kinda towny too, June is my favourite poster itt and I will not accept such slander

pedit: oops, hate me*
also a big fan of unexpected misandry ig

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What is up my most excellent dudes

I wanna VOTE: yessirree in hopes that somebody will ask me:

"do you really think yessirree is scum"

and I can be all like

Yessirree

It's gonna be the highlight of my week and I will happily jump right in the pocket of whoever makes it happen for me

ok but do you rea--

ah well played

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I drank an IPA

Wine mom wine must be consumed at home and I'm disappointed I was not called out accordingly

I'm p sure discreetly drinking wine out of a thermos on a cool morning would still count, right?

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i think the worst, may and gob could be a team if i was going for a hero solve right now

a team of mafia buddies or a team of best friends

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VOTE: Dunn

fun is over

VOTE: Dunn

I don't see this at all tbh but I always hated fun

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Dunno why really but I'm catching town vibes off this complaint from Oblivion

tend to agree, I can see why mafia would make the same complaint but the tone is more aligned with something pro-solve to my mind

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Dunno why really but I'm catching town vibes off this complaint from Oblivion

or is it scum frustrated can't integrate into the "town block"

For clarity, it is using Town Block derogatively, because these things nearly always have some form of scum infiltrate them and then sit there unmolested being protected by those who don't change their mind. It has no desire to belong to any town block, it thinks they are detrimental to game health and solving ability. There are a few setups where it could see something of that nature being valuable? A setup where finding townies is more valuable than finding scum, off the top of its head but it doesn't know what a setup like that would begin to look like.

It is just in its experience these in-groups take control and then ignore everything else and then poof, there is no hope.

yeah this is the tonal quirk I liked

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I am nöt russian spy slipping into töwen bloc

I'm sick and haven't laughed for 2 days thanks for breaking the streak

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which is to say that entire dialogue was hilarious and I like oblivion more and firebringer is on some wild wavelength here

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You too can have an alt

i have 50

oh oh I wasn't thinking but now I wonder if you're who I think you are hello

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VOTE: Oblivion

Run this up folks

talk me thru this one? I'm not opposed to someone I've been weakly defending every other post

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Rather than asking you "why do you think June is scum here?" I want to know the following two things

1) What from June's reactions to this post and posting after the fact when you supposedly discovered their alt made you flip your read on this player?
2) Given that you now do think June is town (is its understanding, correct it if not), what do you think of other players reactions to this post and interactions with June in hindsight? Is there any player in particular you think looks worse in a world where June is town?

1) I wouldn't say my read flipped on June. I would say I am more cautious. I think June main is one i am more likely to feel those posts made by June are less alignment indicative so I am waiting for her to do something I consider scummy. I do think her comment about being a powerful role is a lie though.
2) Well I don't think June is town. Are u talking about all the posts in which people swept in immediately and called June town? Wasn't that Dunnyboi and Gob?

Gob is like a contrarian to me.
Dunnyboi usually disagrees with me.

So I didn't take too much stock in it. If June is in fact town I would say gob overreaction could be white knighting if i really decided to squint harder, but I could see the reverse being just as true that June talk with cats and such was just subtle buddying of Gob or something.

I don't think June feels a lot of pressure to be read accurately in a hurry which is a kind of nullish/personality trait, and tends to occur more frequently for people towards the top of the draft. I wasn't vibing w May then you pressing there because it kinda felt a bit hollow when the thread should be warming up? but I did like this convo a lot and I like the fact I've seen u write up a case against me tho I haven't read thru it yet bc I don't wanna spoil myself

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i actually dont think in general 'this' is how i would play as a wolf anymore it's not really fun to do nothing and then die for it

speak for yourself sheesh

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sure would be nice if there was some kind of forum for warrior cats discussion

i guess mafiascum is basically a forum for warrior cats discussion now that i think about it

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idk who i would kill regardless of what Gob flipped. I haven't really been thinking about any associations if gob was scum. I don't even really think gob is scum right now, we are assuming a lot of things at this point and bound to be wrong on a few assumptions.

If gob is town then idk what that means for June or Dunnyboi
If gob is scum it probably means at least June is town

is gob someone ur actively interested in killing, or just ur top choice in a vacuum?

is there anything u can say to the gob-june t/m vibe here or just a vibe

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the draft has answers if we are willing to hear its whispers

we are going to get along.

I see an early buddying going on here!!!!

I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

Davesaz just admitted theyre wolfing everyone

why aren't u voting dave

Early prodding a teammate perhaps. Me likes to think so.

the worst do u want to be a mason, penguinpower wants u in the club

absolutely not ive got my own masonry going

This was a bit sus when made.

I'd be surprised if I've ever picked anything but 3 in these games tbh

Probably didn't discuss picks with team. I imagine this is case in worstie scum world.

If you don't love me my the worst you won't see me my the best

this is where I'm at but I've never posted as the best

Probably not a team with May actually.

I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

Davesaz just admitted theyre wolfing everyone

why aren't u voting dave

Who i vote is of no concern to you. Don't question my actions ever again.

I literally so will tho ur gonna hate Mr

trying to disprove my 3 player team. Won't work on me mr duck

I'd be pretty unlikely to budge on my pick for team coordination ya

I don't have anything else to comment on

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Someone give a summary, not going to read all 17 pages.

maybe start with Oblivion's or Firebringer's ISOs, they feel like the main characters rn

May strong third place but I think she missed some good pages

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idk who i would kill regardless of what Gob flipped. I haven't really been thinking about any associations if gob was scum. I don't even really think gob is scum right now, we are assuming a lot of things at this point and bound to be wrong on a few assumptions.

If gob is town then idk what that means for June or Dunnyboi
If gob is scum it probably means at least June is town

is gob someone ur actively interested in killing, or just ur top choice in a vacuum?

is there anything u can say to the gob-june t/m vibe here or just a vibe

I was just going down a rabbit hole of hypotheticals

Gob read of June feels a bit TMI to me.

That's valid thanks

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I think town u would have more things to comment on or question

not yet, I'm a lil washed up I can't remember how I used to enjoy d1 so much

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i feel like im in a business conversation with the worst

I'm supervising

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I'm considering an acquisition

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shame.

what do u think of yessirree enterprises?

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I thought ur investors would like me after the Dunnstral deal

speaking of which why ARE we voting dunn

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would it be ok if I got you a new one

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I think I prefer "ducky" to "mr" but thank you for acknowledging my seniority

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Was the Dunn vote rvs? was I baited?

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I unfairly projected some old baggage at PP.
It's very much an equal opportunity spamfest.

Any plans for the weekend?

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hi

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davesaz: 99 feels like a townpost. I like davesaz's insistence on keeping town on track and focusing on things that are actually alignment indicative rather than draft speculation that currently has no legs to stand on.
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Gob: The early speculation on draft information feels town, regardless of whether I agree with it. 47 feels town. 295 is probably town.

i'm glad someone else shares my shiniest townreads

was also 100% going to vote you on my opening post but figured i was so late the throwaway line was funnier.

pedit:
stop talking to urself

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VOTE: Pavowski

would vote yessiree, would probably vote Brian for the drama but i consider that wagon kinda frivolous honestly

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Brian jumping on yessiree wagon is sus. Is there any reason you jumped on that train other than he voted you?

NotAScum--

yessiree/Pavowski:

203 happened just two minutes after 201. Considering they are both entrance posts, I'm concerned of early bussing. 259 is the OMGUS from yessiree. Rule of 3 names with Pavowski in the middle. Highly suspicious. 439 is a bad post.

i would posit that if Brian is scum, he does not want to appear sus. voting someone who has voted you, instead of an equal option who hasn't voted you, is sus. so i'm on the fence about whether ur argument rly has legs, i don't think Brian's alignment has anything to do with that vote.

if you thought Brian was sus for that, given there's a wagon on Brian, why didn't you vote there?

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oh yay, wagons

VOTE: brian skies

what was this for? They seem good to me

you've quoted the answer

I dont get it. Care to explain it to me?

oh yay, wagons

communication makes so much sense to me today what's going on

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Brian kinda felt like he needed more scumn reads than he has so then the o-ring read is overstated and reachy instead of just "hi folks I'm flailing today"

i'm not sureeee

i don't think i natively agree with brian's o-ring read but there's such a difference between

"this is a soulread sorry gl"
and
"this is an idiosyncratic read which is hard to articulate but i'm doing people words in the hope someone else picks it up"

and brian's o-ring read felt closer to the second to me? it feels like something Brian wants people to connect to?

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june, i'm really sorry, but pp is back to being my favourite poster in this game

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I am sure gob does this bit where like "we need to vote X" or "Everyone follow me on X" but since my last two games have been with him scum doing this. It does give me inclination to think its him scum empty posting.

noted & granted. but personally i'm gonna let gob cook a bit longer

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VOTE: Pavowski

would vote yessiree, would probably vote Brian for the drama but i consider that wagon kinda frivolous honestly

You're voting me, but would also vote *with* me?

Hmmmm

yes. correct. why is this noteworthy.

i'm "question without a question mark" tier confounded.

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VOTE: davesaz

VOTE: davesaz

i don't see this. though i guess a wagon on dave d1 is, like, probably something i'd want on my pyp x/y bingo card.

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yas pocketing brian skies 24 hours into d1 is exactly what my plan

pedit: quaxley = duck = me

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i'm in this world where i can see there's these like, players with naturally compatible opinions in (at least)

firebringer-may-pp ?
gob-brian-me

statistically i'm comfortable saying we probably have multiple town aligned who are fairly heavily not vibing. i also have a small spoiler on the second bracket so

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It doesn't even pocket Brian skies it just makes you look busy

i think worstie just sound sreally fake

this isn't an invalid read actually! i think my tone/posting frequency will probably pick up when the headache/barotrauma have passed i'm like 30% getting into this game 70% treading water

i think tonereading me as scum in this kind of gamestate is also fine tho i know this won't change ur mind

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It doesn't even pocket Brian skies it just makes you look busy

hmm that's probably accurate yeah

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I have chosen gob and the worst as my buddy targets. They will carry me to victory.

i'm gonna try my best. just like, fair warning, i will suddenly heavily scumread you on d3, then correct it to a hard townread on the final day, winning you the game

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I doubt the alignments break along agreement lines

Like mathematically someone has to have a game throw read on o-ring

tend to agree yeah. i do townread o-ring, i think a lot of people do, i think going against the grain of this read is explicitly positive, but i'm not sure i reach a scumread unless i really bend myself into a pretzel

also i highlighted the agreement lines bc i think that's what warmpuppy is sensing rn moreso than alignment division. i don't think pointing this out will fix the divide, just thought it was noteworthy that his scumreads have a tendency to agree with each other regularly

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hi Jake

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not that it matters since it's completely hypothetical...but, ducky - i'm still hurt over his rejection to the masonry.

i'm hypothetically hurt! i'm hypothetically easier to solve later and not that hard to lim

hypothetically

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Why does no one like straight vodka

I asked for vodka and water and I got those two things mixed??? I've never even contemplated mixing vodka with something that is not coca cola

"vodka and water" is a non-uncommon drink order referring to the mixed drink. "a neat vodka and a glass of water" is probably the best thing to order to avoid that, which now that im thinking about it is deeply unfortunate

I love neat vodka, tho I also do mix vodka with water sometimes

+1 vodka pepsi is a terrifying prospect.

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Hey May what's your objective opinion of gob?

Most of the slots are town so gob is probably town

And what of his posts? Do they spark joy?

hey Jake why did u ask about these two? just curious

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i'll be around in a couple hours

omg hi big fan

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forebringer seems to be mafia to me

I actually don't super hate this take but I'm not sure if it's trendy enough to go for rn

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Halfpaw sounds like one of those early season warrior names where it makes sense but then you try to guess why they were called Halfkit and dissociate thru the floor

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Duckland, what are your thoughts on gob? Would you agree that their posting is lacking?

Eh they're gobposting

I feel like their takes are smoking hot but they're in the realms of "yeah I don't hate this" so I don't think they're trying to undermine consensus or do anything malicious he's just cooking

Lacking sure? I mean I think roughly 9 slots are a bit lacking so far :p

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Duck have I played with town you

I have genuinely flushed most of my memory over the last 12 months but...honestly my memories of us are mostly s/s (that was a treat) and s/t (which makes me sad)

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Is anybody solving yet or are we still twiddling our bits?

I just wanna plan my weekend

did I vote u before icr

VOTE: Pavowski

sorry I don't like this

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Pavowski I expect you to afk but I expect you to be like at least a little disappointed with the game trajectory if you share my alignment

Esp since you don't seem to think duck is a boring free red flip which I'm tempted to think right now

v/la

Saturday pm and all of Sunday

I don't think I've posted a single thing about the duck aside from noting it's interesting he voted me but was also willing to vote with me.

But I will cop to being a little disengaged

u still haven't explained why this struck u as interesting honestly I think that's just exactly how my mind works

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like worstie should really be questioning gob postion of me if he is unsure of where it comes from. Because Gob has said so little about me that what can u infer from it?

To me the statement is a reaction test, push to see where people land. Which could be scummy or townie from Gob. Gob likes to make random pushes in random areas as either alignment for discussion. he likely has no real take on me regardless of alignment. He is just throwing things out there to see what he gets.

This seems obvious to me after playing with Gob so much and yet worst just goes along with it. Like ohh thats interesting, I might be interested in that.

what happened the last time I questioned gob smh

I'm letting him do his thing and I'mma solve him later I don't think he asking him boring questions is going to fix his Sass and I don't consider his read on you like, particularly highly likely to be interesting

am I mean,,,, I actually like gob I just get the impression, like me, that he's operating at more of a mystical wavelength than a logical wavelength rn

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Our s/s probly shouldn't be allowed, unfair to the townies

we are far too powerful can we be s/s irl?

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how dare u like people
ur the worst

I feel positive about every person in this player list

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Pavowski I expect you to afk but I expect you to be like at least a little disappointed with the game trajectory if you share my alignment

Esp since you don't seem to think duck is a boring free red flip which I'm tempted to think right now

v/la

Saturday pm and all of Sunday

I don't think I've posted a single thing about the duck aside from noting it's interesting he voted me but was also willing to vote with me.

But I will cop to being a little disengaged

u still haven't explained why this struck u as interesting honestly I think that's just exactly how my mind works

I mean I think saying "yeah I'll vote you because I think you're scum, but I'm also willing to vote the person you're voting" feels at least a little contradictory

Granted it's d1 and reads can change on a dime, but yeah, I found that interesting

so?

this feels like half a thought. what does it tell u about my alignment

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I mean I guess it's not contradictory if you think I'm bussing.

You think I'm bussing?

I don't care I haven't thought abt it

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Duck have I played with town you

I have genuinely flushed most of my memory over the last 12 months but...honestly my memories of us are mostly s/s (that was a treat) and s/t (which makes me sad)

U might not remember me

But I remember you

I remember you <3 you modded a game I rly enjoyed and I think it might've even been pyp x/y lol. we've also played together.

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i'm playing pokemon in another tab rn

which gen? competitive?

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worstie u didn't even answer my question on how ur doing. Rude af

gimme a while the antibiotics haven't started working their magic yet

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VOTE: pavowski

goddamnit i swooned

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like 1) its dannflor 2) someone else sees it at last

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blink once if ur a power role challenge

blinks twice

double pr, noted

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i think the fixation on duck's inconsistency about voting him vs voting with him is the type of focus to come from scum more often than not, like it doesn't actually say anything about duck's alignment it's just poking holes at inconsistencies because that's easy to do. the follow up in 840 just seems to draw out the bit way too far, like town does mildly inconsistent shit like that all the time and i find it hard to believe pavowski has never encountered that before and feels it's worth pressuring like this

i also think 251 is scummy

+1

overjustifying joining a popular wagon is already a bit of an eyebrow raiser but the things he's using as justification aren't actually scumtells. I'm not a consistent person, and am very rarely consistent this early in a game. Pav knows me I don't think he's thought through this much.

To boot, despite this being the main thing of substance that his posts have been focused on he hasn't joined the wagon at any point which is another eyebrow raiser

I'd consider pav someone who's p capable of recognising even my tone and stuff and there's just nothing there to make me think he's tried to sort me so far :p there's some other quirks in his posting I can dig out which make me think he's more invested in the arguments he's making than in, like, observing alignment indicative stuff

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duck seems like surface level scummy you know

but i think that's just his natural tone sorry duck

THANK you my natural written tone is fake as hell

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so far my worst scum casing been largely ignored, even by the worst. Which irks me a little, maybe I just don't like being ignored.

So I am definitely comitting some time to being as annnoying as shit tomorrow afternoon to write up dozens upon dozens of posts why yall need to get of ur butts and vote worstie.

Or at least fight me on why he is town here.

your case on me kind of required one to already have an inkling that I'm scum. there was one thing in there that felt worth commenting on fmpov so i commented on it.

i never mean to ignore you sweet puppy. the case didn't interest me and i don't feel uncomfortable being wagoned on d1 before I've like... really done anything

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The case for him being kinda scummy doesn't seem very calibrated to how he usually plays

pav's play this game doesn't seem very calibrated to how he usually plays

I don't even mean this in a "pav is better than this therefote is scum" way, just like, he feels hollow and his only gamey stuff has been really thin

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If anything he usually fails to reach the requisite level of engagement one would even need to start emulating counterfeit casing esp this early in a day phase

I don't think he's attempting to emulate counterfeit casing even honestly. his comment was pretty driveby, I don't think he would've elaborated if I hadn't ???'d it

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The not voting people should vote or we should vote the not voting people.

Why the rush? Theres plenty of time left of the day. But since you insist...

VOTE: PenguinPower

How did you go with Oblivion or Firebringer? Where's your head at this game(

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I really do not like the compesition of the worst wagon .

the worst [4]:
Jake The Wolfie, May, PenguinPower, Firebringer

Unironicalyl I think we lim one of these people. I lean FB and PP.

Do you TR the worst?

It's moreso a null read. But given how everyone went against them quickly they're less likely to be mafia i'd say.

By everyone, you mean less than half of all players.

And in any case this means nothing much. We're trying to drag this game out of RVS, so some of us are trying to form a wagon to see how Duckland reacts. This is standard practice and is one of the only methods we have to get anything done today.

Perhaps you would like to help with early game info collection by joining this or similar wagons.

idrc if I'm wagoned ur getting what ur getting

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Upon review, the fact he's voting me the way he's doing it is probably +town for the duck.

That being said, I kinda like the wagon on him

Pedit: 905 is quite a take

why is me going at you +town
why haven't you voted me
why do you like the wagon on me

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VOTE: PenguinPower

Run it up everyone. This person is scum most likely. Their jump onto worst is bad or something

how did you suggest like 40 good wagons in a 14 player game then vote the worst one ;(

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u lying about ur confidence on ur reads

wait...so are u...

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ill put NotAScum in my boring solve

kinda where I'm at

I think NAS is performing NAS being lost in this game and we've actually tried to engage w NAS so it's kind of a bad look

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I don't think firebringer is scum

or gob really

same here tbh I think they're both like, so idiosyncratic in that conversation, I also enjoyed Jake's pop-ins and unenjoyed May's pop-ins

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ok sorry firebringer is scum

Ohhh nvm, i love u again

okay Gob and Dannflor can be town.

WOrstie still scum

I kinda love this exchange for no reason

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idk my hero solve would be like pavowski / may / notascum if i had three bullets and was forced to make decisions on nothing but gut instinct right now but i don't particularly think that's likely to be super accurate

unsure how I feel about the fact I'd shoot exactly the same three people

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just call them the worst

I will, if he requests it.

I'll answer to anything Duckland is cute

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Upon review, the fact he's voting me the way he's doing it is probably +town for the duck.

That being said, I kinda like the wagon on him

Pedit: 905 is quite a take

can you elaborate on duck

i think the fixation on duck's inconsistency about voting him vs voting with him is the type of focus to come from scum more often than not, like it doesn't actually say anything about duck's alignment it's just poking holes at inconsistencies because that's easy to do. the follow up in 840 just seems to draw out the bit way too far, like town does mildly inconsistent shit like that all the time and i find it hard to believe pavowski has never encountered that before and feels it's worth pressuring like this

i also think 251 is scummy

+1

overjustifying joining a popular wagon is already a bit of an eyebrow raiser but the things he's using as justification aren't actually scumtells. I'm not a consistent person, and am very rarely consistent this early in a game. Pav knows me I don't think he's thought through this much.

To boot, despite this being the main thing of substance that his posts have been focused on he hasn't joined the wagon at any point which is another eyebrow raiser

I'd consider pav someone who's p capable of recognising even my tone and stuff and there's just nothing there to make me think he's tried to sort me so far :p there's some other quirks in his posting I can dig out which make me think he's more invested in the arguments he's making than in, like, observing alignment indicative stuff

This post particularly feels like Duckworth operating in good faith on me, like it seems like he's moreso trying to rattle my cage than actually pushing a scumread, which would be easy to do here.

I probably do need a good cage-rattling, my head is all over the place, but I won't bring too much of my meta into this

ok but I'm rattling your cage, and asking you questions, and you're like "ooo wobbly cage"

I need you to be playing this game.

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dave what’s the point of being like “yeah look at how sus pavowski is” if you never intend to vote there or support a wagon there today

It's long term information. Like if / when I get killed...

Dave do you think pav/me/? is a possible solve, like do you see us as aligned, or just pushing two separate reads for now?

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yeah that got a little word salady

basically, i thought if dave actually cared about not wagoning the top half of the draft he would either

1. not make that comment in the first place
2. subsidize the comment with concern about the wagon or tell people to save it for post-d1

i guess making that comment without realizing where pavowski was on the list makes more sense

I think this is where that conversation got weird actually

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It... can someone interact with its thoughts please? It feels like the conversation is moving past it and it's trying with what little energy it has.

the main convo over the last page has been a bit of a fever dream in general. I'm around, and keen to discuss the things. I'm also still recovering from sickness this'll be cute

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That's actually a really good observation my brain was not ready for that.

I can see a world where Dave doesn't care enough to, like, actively oppose the wagon given wagons are fun and it's still not very big?

I'd also be significantly more sceptical there if Pav is mafia

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It... can someone interact with its thoughts please? It feels like the conversation is moving past it and it's trying with what little energy it has.

the main convo over the last page has been a bit of a fever dream in general. I'm around, and keen to discuss the things. I'm also still recovering from sickness this'll be cute

It knows the feeling, it has felt strongly like it's conveying its thoughts but it admits maybe it is feverdreaming.

Can you talk to it about May? It thinks you and I think differently about that slot.

I'mma drop some very surface thoughts because I'm aware I haven't been digesting this game as well as I need to and May isn't an easy sort.

I think May is really charismatic and very capable of leading original thoughts. I think May has been quick to test ideas and slow to commit to them, and I haven't minded May's ideas for the most part but there's really been nothing in there which has blown me away? Many of her earlier takes felt like they aligned with Firebringer's or were like, quite achievable by kinda following the tone of the thread.

I felt like the conversation between gob & Firebringer & Dann was about things which appear to align with May's interests and I was surprised to see her pop in without really advancing any reads or having a new perspective on anything

Like May is cool perspective incarnate as a player and I'm not seeing anything that excites me yet and it's making me increasingly nervous

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like at some point after 863 Dave checks the list to see where Pavowski is, probably because he's thinking about moving his vote there?

but then he doesn't say anything further about pavowski until I specifically ask why he isn't voting there

i don't know maybe I'm picking at nothing and am overestimating how much dave actually cares about not wagoning potential PRs

it also thinks this way, because it thinks in a world where Pav is town Pav is the easiest elimination and a good escape from day 1 if a scumteam were in threat of losing a member day 1. which makes it think perhaps dave is scum and scum with another possible elimination target from today? Does that track?

I don't think Dave tends to bus, but I think I'd regard him as weakly more likely to speak up against a mechanically sub-optimal miselim if he were to be scum and looking at a town miselim.

I was also scum with Dave like super recently so I hope this is helpful.

I also like that Dave is present, is talking and has a blend of mechs reads and what I'll call sass. This will sound more critical than intended but I feel like he felt a little bit more directionless d1 in our scumgame since there was really nothing mechanical to latch onto.

This is pretty semantic I'm not as married to my Dave townread as I was earlier

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I'm also the other lim candidate aorn so obviously I'm going to argue against dave/me as buddies :p

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dave what’s the point of being like “yeah look at how sus pavowski is” if you never intend to vote there or support a wagon there today

It's long term information. Like if / when I get killed...

Dave do you think pav/me/? is a possible solve, like do you see us as aligned, or just pushing two separate reads for now?

this is still kinda bouncing around in my head dave jw where ur coming from

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ultimately i still feel best about pavowski right now

i feel like 892 is a weird response because it like, seems to place the blame on being scum read on having a tiny post count or not having enough real time interactions? when i don't think those were things anyone really specifically had issue with

I'm reading that as something he intends to do to correct his position moreso than something he noticed people hating on

It does feel a but like a scum pt "pav get your ass into the thread" reaction I'm biased tho

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It... can someone interact with its thoughts please? It feels like the conversation is moving past it and it's trying with what little energy it has.

the main convo over the last page has been a bit of a fever dream in general. I'm around, and keen to discuss the things. I'm also still recovering from sickness this'll be cute

It knows the feeling, it has felt strongly like it's conveying its thoughts but it admits maybe it is feverdreaming.

Can you talk to it about May? It thinks you and I think differently about that slot.

I'mma drop some very surface thoughts because I'm aware I haven't been digesting this game as well as I need to and May isn't an easy sort.

I think May is really charismatic and very capable of leading original thoughts. I think May has been quick to test ideas and slow to commit to them, and I haven't minded May's ideas for the most part but there's really been nothing in there which has blown me away? Many of her earlier takes felt like they aligned with Firebringer's or were like, quite achievable by kinda following the tone of the thread.

I felt like the conversation between gob & Firebringer & Dann was about things which appear to align with May's interests and I was surprised to see her pop in without really advancing any reads or having a new perspective on anything

Like May is cool perspective incarnate as a player and I'm not seeing anything that excites me yet and it's making me increasingly nervous

So in your opinion May's lack of commitment to a position and thus lack of desire to make anything stick to her is indicative that she is setting up for later to have less possible bad reads/connectives on her? Or, rather, that this is a possibility she is capable of and thus something to be concerned about?

I'm not really interested in committing to a "this therefore that" on May rn, I have little interest in casing her and great interest in vibing

I think she's underwhelming, I think she's playing it safe and I'm finding her solving non-indiosyncratic & inauthentic I guess

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dave what’s the point of being like “yeah look at how sus pavowski is” if you never intend to vote there or support a wagon there today

It's long term information. Like if / when I get killed...

Dave do you think pav/me/? is a possible solve, like do you see us as aligned, or just pushing two separate reads for now?

this is still kinda bouncing around in my head dave jw where ur coming from

I don't think I've said I SR you.

ah valid I inferred it from the vote given it was already the largest wagon and you put it to e-3 (vs. Pav's e-5)

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It... can someone interact with its thoughts please? It feels like the conversation is moving past it and it's trying with what little energy it has.

the main convo over the last page has been a bit of a fever dream in general. I'm around, and keen to discuss the things. I'm also still recovering from sickness this'll be cute

It knows the feeling, it has felt strongly like it's conveying its thoughts but it admits maybe it is feverdreaming.

Can you talk to it about May? It thinks you and I think differently about that slot.

I'mma drop some very surface thoughts because I'm aware I haven't been digesting this game as well as I need to and May isn't an easy sort.

I think May is really charismatic and very capable of leading original thoughts. I think May has been quick to test ideas and slow to commit to them, and I haven't minded May's ideas for the most part but there's really been nothing in there which has blown me away? Many of her earlier takes felt like they aligned with Firebringer's or were like, quite achievable by kinda following the tone of the thread.

I felt like the conversation between gob & Firebringer & Dann was about things which appear to align with May's interests and I was surprised to see her pop in without really advancing any reads or having a new perspective on anything

Like May is cool perspective incarnate as a player and I'm not seeing anything that excites me yet and it's making me increasingly nervous

So in your opinion May's lack of commitment to a position and thus lack of desire to make anything stick to her is indicative that she is setting up for later to have less possible bad reads/connectives on her? Or, rather, that this is a possibility she is capable of and thus something to be concerned about?

I'm not really interested in committing to a "this therefore that" on May rn, I have little interest in casing her and great interest in vibing

I think she's underwhelming, I think she's playing it safe and I'm finding her solving non-indiosyncratic & inauthentic I guess

Apologies, it... tends to think in If, Then manners to be able to understand possibilities. It knows that this will make its takes seem harsher than otherwise might be implied, but... it's how it thinks? Logical pathing from Intent.

No apologies needed, that's a much more sensible thought trajectory than my own and I find its logic very easy to parse I'm often a little bit hard to follow and even when I do make a case it tends to rely a bit on a vibe so I can see why it saw that and was like "ok but what next".

What's got it townreading May, or is there anything specific it could point to that conflicts with the impression of her that I'm getting?

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I think Jake is town

Jake is weirdly my strongest townread right now bc I think half the thread are phayke and I think Jake is real af

I also townread you right now and the paranoia hasn't set in yet, are you as excited for that as I am

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we should sheep davesaz here everyone.

wait hold on are you just saying the opposite of what seems popular

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GeorgeBailey I love you.

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Gob I'm enjoying your presence a lot in this game and idk if its because I'm town or because you're town or what.

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I'm like very null-town on yessiree gimme a minute

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VOTE: Dunn

fun is over

I liked this vote more than any other vote at this stage of the game and yessiree's later reasoning was serviceable, I like that he didn't overplay it

Was the Dunn vote rvs? was I baited?

Semi srs, he posted unsolicited self meta to towncase himself

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i have a crazy theory that the scum team is June + Pavowski + one of the 123s (Dunn)

I think pav's inclusion is astute, June was also a good push and actually idk why Dunn is still in here but it's not important

VOTE: Dunn

fun is over

VOTE: Dunn

I don't see this at all tbh but I always hated fun

i was literally about to vote you

well played ducky

Good reaction imo given iirc firebringer & may were starting to throw my name around

idk who i would kill regardless of what Gob flipped. I haven't really been thinking about any associations if gob was scum. I don't even really think gob is scum right now, we are assuming a lot of things at this point and bound to be wrong on a few assumptions.

If gob is town then idk what that means for June or Dunnyboi
If gob is scum it probably means at least June is town

is gob someone ur actively interested in killing, or just ur top choice in a vacuum?

is there anything u can say to the gob-june t/m vibe here or just a vibe

i don't really vibe with this line of questioning

feels like something only scum would ask

This is incorrect but I kinda see where he's coming from I'm being very over the top for d1, but my intent was to see if I could trock firebringer into thinking about those reads from a t/s perspective rather than an "if this then that" kinda thing

i think brian skies' OMGUS shitpush is pretty town

same (but rude) though idk why yessiree is still voting brian skies at this point

sus people list

tier 1
June, Dunn, the worst

tier 2
Pavowski, NotAScum

he's voting someone who isn't even on his list of 5 scum suspects in a game with 3 scum oh maybe I hate that.......

but broadly I liked his tier 2 and found his tier 1 a bit odd



huh maybe this read is outdated

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I think I need to see yessiree's update on a few things before I can really re-evaluate but I'm downgrading to null idk if I actually care about what I was seeing originally

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O-Ring, Firebringer is a really easy late game read you should needle someone else more

This is the post where it sorted May as town. It has three reasonsings.

Firstly, it feels that the O-Ring thing being kept up as a consistent bit from her was something intended to include it, which it knows doesn't have to come from town but it felt like given her consistent inclusion of it, it was a townie trying to get another townie to feel involved.

This matches with its second point, that telling it to focus its strikes elsewhere was a transparent connective to Firebringer and that with no one choosing to correct her, that it wasn't untrue. So, if true, she did a connective to a slot that will become scumread later, it thinks that feels like town not looking after their own image, as opposed to scum redirecting it from Firebringer.

Thirdly, it thinks the tone in which May approaches it is one of... seeking to help, and it comes across without as much manipulation attempt as it thinks there could be, given that it enjoys interacting with May.

In general, May feels... like a genuine tonwie trying to help it, from this one post.

I see where its coming from. I do think May is a highly charismatic player, and I'd be very careful about sorting her from a purely introspective perspective. That said I'm in a world where I do think we've kinda just got very different pings from her, and it's hard to have a very high confidence read on her at this point.

I'd need to meta dive to prove or disprove this, and I don't have the energy, but I wouldn't be surprised if nicknames are something May had done as mafia roughly equally as often as she has as town. Please don't take this too seriously - I am not confident I'm right, just where my head is at.

Looking at the inclusion perspective - I do think it appears towny and I think its conversation with May at the start of this day was p instrumental in that. So that is something May has done that has had a constructive effect on my reads. I'm not confident it can't come from scum-May but wanted to grant that.

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Weird thought. Could it be because gob voted your counter wagon?

nooo I was enjoying him before that vote

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when gob was talking to jake the wolfie about "duckland" and he confused duckland for a random player in this game that didn't exist. I thought it was too dumb to be from scum because scum usually keep tabs on the playerlist to know who is vital to elim, and especially when talking to another player about a person in a conversation.

From what I've seen, Gob dumbtells as mafia like 7% more than he does as town. I have a game w him where I caught him off a fake dumbtell, then also clocked who his partner was bc he "forgot" about them and both felt a bit iffy

Just like don't read gob by dumbtells he's doing other stuff too

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We are not killing the second in the draft order D1.

By this logic, if scum outdraft is we essentially are burning townies and eliminations for fun and profit to avoid hitting potential roles?

If we have a POE of 5 people, including 1 at the top and 4 at the bottom of the draft, it generally makes sense to sort through those at the bottom before those at the top. Night actions can help to tidy up the alignments of the rest of the POE if we're incorrect about the person at the top.

This is a mechanical argument so coming from me, it's boring and unconvincing but it's got logical merit.

I'd love to hear what it's scumreading about Dave

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We are not killing the second in the draft order D1.

By this logic, if scum outdraft is we essentially are burning townies and eliminations for fun and profit to avoid hitting potential roles?

Did you miss where I said this was restricted to D1?

No, it did not. It knows any game has a limited number of town eliminations before we lose, and with two possible vigilantes in the game, burning townies is the last thing on its mind. It doesn't know if it agrees that we have a whole Day and Night cycle to give. If both Vigs are in the game and even one is in the hands of scum, the odds that both vigs hit town increase dramatically. It believes, as a result if we hit town day 1 without consideration, and then two vigs eventually remove two more town, we're at what 6-3? That leaves us with 1 elimination before we are in endgame.

It's just not certain that there is a good world where we can afford to say "these players are off limits for a day, go searching elsewhere". It understands the logic, infact it gets the entire concept given there are a lot of powerful town roles in the game we do not wish to expose but it really thinks that something like this should be considered the same way that number logic psychology should. A place to begin, but if a player is transparently the most scummy player in the lobby... it's not right to just allow that player to thrive unchecked.

To this: I think we should sort them but it's pretty hard to work up any motivation to push them seriously because the 11/14 chance of hitting town at the top of the draft is severely ev vs. the 3/14 chance of hitting scum at the top of the draft which is like... mildly +ev

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worstie what is ur read on me and why

you're like the main character of this game I don't think I'm going to get a super wild read on you for a while

I think you're probably town for now

I liked a couple of your conversations this phase and I think some of your takes are a bit lukewarm but I think you believe them. I'm also generally just like upside down to where ur at with this game & do not have myself in my POE so it's not surprising that I find your reads mid. I think they make enough sense in the world you're living in.

You've felt like surface level earnest in convos when it's been important

I think you've said things without thinking in enough ways that tends to come from genuine thoughts > scum thoughts

Idk that's kinda all I got you're not a high priority read for me but I'm pretty comfortable with you rn

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I am aware that it wishes to execute Dave, but I am unaware of the wrongdoings of Dave.

It's said it across several posts today, but its take on Dave's interactions with it and the thread is essentially that Dave is trying to accomplish goals like game control and shifting targets for elimination without consistent logic and with tactics it considers shady and suspicious.

I've looked at some of Dave's earlier posts, and I'm not really seeing what you're saying. He reminds me a little of JacksonVirgo, but more analytical and stoic.

This is not a comparison I ever thought I'd see but I kinda see where you're coming from in the abstract

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VOTE: yessiree reflecting on earlier comments I think I'm vibing here rn

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uhhhh i think davesaz makes more sense as scum in a scum!Pav world and davesaz is soft pushing there but using his policy to avoid actually voting there

me too

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VOTE: yessiree reflecting on earlier comments I think I'm vibing here rn

I do want to hear more from my man yessiree, so i approve of this just to get him in here.

Good work scumstie

gotcha maincharacterbringer

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like at some point after 863 Dave checks the list to see where Pavowski is, probably because he's thinking about moving his vote there?

but then he doesn't say anything further about pavowski until I specifically ask why he isn't voting there

i don't know maybe I'm picking at nothing and am overestimating how much dave actually cares about not wagoning potential PRs

it also thinks this way, because it thinks in a world where Pav is town Pav is the easiest elimination and a good escape from day 1 if a scumteam were in threat of losing a member day 1. which makes it think perhaps dave is scum and scum with another possible elimination target from today? Does that track?

I don't think Dave tends to bus, but I think I'd regard him as weakly more likely to speak up against a mechanically sub-optimal miselim if he were to be scum and looking at a town miselim.

I was also scum with Dave like super recently so I hope this is helpful.

I also like that Dave is present, is talking and has a blend of mechs reads and what I'll call sass. This will sound more critical than intended but I feel like he felt a little bit more directionless d1 in our scumgame since there was really nothing mechanical to latch onto.

This is pretty semantic I'm not as married to my Dave townread as I was earlier

Oblivion!!! I thought we were friends

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like at some point after 863 Dave checks the list to see where Pavowski is, probably because he's thinking about moving his vote there?

but then he doesn't say anything further about pavowski until I specifically ask why he isn't voting there

i don't know maybe I'm picking at nothing and am overestimating how much dave actually cares about not wagoning potential PRs

it also thinks this way, because it thinks in a world where Pav is town Pav is the easiest elimination and a good escape from day 1 if a scumteam were in threat of losing a member day 1. which makes it think perhaps dave is scum and scum with another possible elimination target from today? Does that track?

I don't think Dave tends to bus, but I think I'd regard him as weakly more likely to speak up against a mechanically sub-optimal miselim if he were to be scum and looking at a town miselim.

I was also scum with Dave like super recently so I hope this is helpful.

I also like that Dave is present, is talking and has a blend of mechs reads and what I'll call sass. This will sound more critical than intended but I feel like he felt a little bit more directionless d1 in our scumgame since there was really nothing mechanical to latch onto.

This is pretty semantic I'm not as married to my Dave townread as I was earlier

Oblivion!!! I thought we were friends

Oh, god, What did it do? It's really fuzzy and feverish. Did you say something to the effect of what Dann said and it didn't understand you? Whatever it did, it's sorry...

it's cool, I realise I wasn't very clear. I was making the same point Dann made but posited further that I don't really think dave is mafia either.

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who's best bird now penguin

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worstie what is ur read on me and why

you're like the main character of this game I don't think I'm going to get a super wild read on you for a while

I think you're probably town for now

I liked a couple of your conversations this phase and I think some of your takes are a bit lukewarm but I think you believe them. I'm also generally just like upside down to where ur at with this game & do not have myself in my POE so it's not surprising that I find your reads mid. I think they make enough sense in the world you're living in.

You've felt like surface level earnest in convos when it's been important

I think you've said things without thinking in enough ways that tends to come from genuine thoughts > scum thoughts

Idk that's kinda all I got you're not a high priority read for me but I'm pretty comfortable with you rn

btw worstie i would ask to go into this in more detail at some point. But ill give u passing marks on this one for now.

No problems. I won't until I have a more confident read on you because I dislike wasting my time but on principle ya, if I'm here for a while I plan to get more confident on my read on you

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The gap closed just a tiny bit.

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hm im not really town reading brian skies

same and I'm sad about it

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OKAY ITS TIME FOR MY SPICY REVEAL EVERYONE

let's see it I'm excited

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not my dumb ass being like "penguin won the draft tho?"

congrats that's p neat me too

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I said that the only power I wanted was 13 cool friends to play mafia with and I cinched it

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a lotta really sketchy slots are on the borderline honestly I hate mechanics and I will forget to be kind.

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I won a draft pick

Congrats, you were the first player not guaranteed a chance to obtain a pick.

This is not correct

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Rephrase, the first player who needs someone else to not get a pick in order to have a chance.

Yeah, they were not guaranteed a chance to obtain a pick.

Firebringer was 9th in the draft. If players 1st - 8th were to all get picks, Firebringer would be guaranteed to fail. Unless I am missing something rather critical in the drafting process, I'm not understanding why this would be false.

ah, okay granted, I glued your words wrong in my brain

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worstie i want an essay tomorrow on why gob is town. double spaced, 2 pages.

you keep asking me to double down on reads which I really don't feel strongly about and I'mma not do that

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The dance game where I was IC

didn't u really struggle to read me in that one

I remember reading you really strongly after intermission. I probably lied about progressions all game because I was IC and could do that.

You were harder to read before intermission that's why when I see o-ring trying to eke out a read instead of waiting for additional data drops it's like de ja vu if this suffering that's unnecessary

I dunno

worst seemed townie on page 50

I don't believe anyone can read Dave based in the posts we have

Brian and gob are both kinda boring null scum ATM

what about page 50 me seemed towny compared to anything else I've done tho

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It's kinda funny that I should theoretically do a little stuff that expresses alignment to worst but if I just like don't do anything to express alignment to Dannflor at all and just exist for 3 day phases it's like 99% likely he will read me

I also do think I don't need to do things that make Oblivion Ring town read me

All the other slots do matter like normal tho I didn't rand jester

Whoa pedits

I'm exhausting truly

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I'm about to fall asleep but pav. Good lord. If you're town your takes are so tepid. Please say something cool.

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I hate cops but I also hate violence so now I'm sad but that was spicy ty

It's a weird time in my life too. I don't think I'm nearly as convincing or insightful as I am in a random game. You do feel like the nth extreme of that, I don't think I've observed any original thoughts from u yet

What's your strongest or most surprising half cooked read? Throw me some words about it?

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I'll stop being cagey about it, I take BJJ and a lot of cops go to my gym. Nobody report me ok

okay this is really cool

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worstie i want an essay tomorrow on why gob is town. double spaced, 2 pages.

you keep asking me to double down on reads which I really don't feel strongly about and I'mma not do that

im not asking u to double down, uve been saying u think he is town. if ur not confident in it just say so but this isn't the impression ive gotten from u

ah cool I'm not confident about it! he's like in the middle of my town maybe blob I enjoy that he's being a contrarian he's said a few non-consensus things which I kinda think needed to be said at some point but he hasn't really pushed them or committed to much so it's kinda hard to want to be confident on this one. I would like him to be town. I don't really think gob+Brian is a solve which feels worth saying even tho it's p speculative.

yeah idk this is what I got. he's not a hard townread but I'm not living in a world where he's scum rn. it's possible!

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why day one so Long

We're still at that stage where everyone is standing around sober making smalltalk, when u arrive the party will start in earnest

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Jake The Wolfie, Dannflor

davesaz, gob

NotAScum
PenguinPower
May
June*
Pavowski
Oblivion
Brian Skies
the worst
yessiree
Firebringer

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aw i hit submit by mistake gimme a few minutes

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the worst
Jake The Wolfie, Dannflor, Oblivion
Firebringer, PenguinPower, June
davesaz, gob
yessiree, May, Brian Skies
NotAScum
Pavowski



jake/dann/obl are towny.
fire + penguin + june get d1 passes for, like, very different reasons. i probably tier them slightly differently but not meaningfully differently enough to break this up
dave + gob - i townread for reasons which i admit are probably goofy
yessiree + may + brian are swimming in the null pool for varying reasons
notascum realistically also null but i'd shoot NAS before any of my other nullreads so congrats
pavowski i'm like confounded this wagon didn't blow up...

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throwaway soft townreads towards people who are scumreading me accurately is such a bad habit of mine so i rly struggle to default to townreading that :/
admittedly idk if it's a scumtell for pav

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throwaway soft townreads towards people who are scumreading me accurately is such a bad habit of mine so i rly struggle to default to townreading that :/
admittedly idk if it's a scumtell for pav

I think if someone asked me to name the kind of player who would make throwaway soft townreads towards people who are scumreading them accurately in Mafia Discussion I would say the worst

you're probably overweighting your propensities

i mean i could kind of see pav doing it I guess

I dunnooooo

ugh

this is like almost exactly my internal dialogue over pav doing it

i just really struggle to call that a towny post. it's another very meh post and i don't think pav has posted anything noteworthy yet so i'm not enjoying meh posting.

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wow i can just let the worst say everything i want to say

i feel like we persistently vibe in games and i regard you as one of my fav people to play with of ALL TIME but i can't remember us being this in sync

it's nice

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wow i can just let the worst say everything i want to say

i feel like we persistently vibe in games and i regard you as one of my fav people to play with of ALL TIME but i can't remember us being this in sync

it's nice

Are you two in sync, or is he just saying words?

i think this is a fair question. i also think someone could very easily ask me the same question. which is a sign to me that we're in sync!

i don't think i'm leading & dann is following, we're both doing our own thing it's just that my solving has a bit more momentum than dann's solving at this exact moment. the reverse was true like, a day or two ago.

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I've had several recent town losses where scum was eliminated d1 and it didn't help in the slightest.

This is a vibe I'm starting to get from the concept of yeeting NotAScum

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I've had several recent town losses where scum was eliminated d1 and it didn't help in the slightest.

This is a vibe I'm starting to get from the concept of yeeting NotAScum

HUH?

i think NotAScum is pretty yeetable and probably actually scum but it doesn't feel like a smart wagon rn

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let's lim yessiree

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let's lim yessiree

yeah lets

good things happen when people try to lim me

that's what i like to hear

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he's voting someone who isn't even on his list of 5 scum suspects in a game with 3 scum oh maybe I hate that.......

i wanted to let the wagons between brian and me play out a bit more, cause i was already getting some reads out of it

but i didn't have anything better to post at the time, so i went ahead and posted that

i don't actually think i believe in the relative strength of those reads all that much

june & dunn were both low-content and unreadable at that point.
i was a pretty popular scumread so am not surprised about being in that tier, nor is it noteworthy that you had me there.

pavowski & notascum are both genuinely intriguing but you don't feel interested in pressing there.

you had your vote on brian skies who you townread - and now you've unvoted despite wagons picking up and you having several scum/non-town reads?
where are you at? i don't even need you to catch up i just can't work out what's going on

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VOTE: brian skies

pagetop?

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nailed it.

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he's voting someone who isn't even on his list of 5 scum suspects in a game with 3 scum oh maybe I hate that.......

i wanted to let the wagons between brian and me play out a bit more, cause i was already getting some reads out of it

but i didn't have anything better to post at the time, so i went ahead and posted that

i don't actually think i believe in the relative strength of those reads all that much

june & dunn were both low-content and unreadable at that point.
i was a pretty popular scumread so am not surprised about being in that tier, nor is it noteworthy that you had me there.

pavowski & notascum are both genuinely intriguing but you don't feel interested in pressing there.

you had your vote on brian skies who you townread - and now you've unvoted despite wagons picking up and you having several scum/non-town reads?
where are you at? i don't even need you to catch up i just can't work out what's going on

thats ok my day 1 reads are not that accurate anyway, but i thought it would still be good to put them out there

as to why i townread brian, i can dig the thought process of him scumreading me based on how i joined his wagon, and linking pav and me as some sort of distancing play. It's basically how i would approach early game, only reason i called it a shitpush is cause the conclusion he drew about me is wrong

June and pav was two-fold, one was mostly vibe, the other is mechanical that i will not out yet, the only reason i suspected them is cause only they happened to fall in this overlap

dunn i already gave reasonings for
noteascum had a stellar entrance but ruined it by asking people to summarize the game

i'm not sure if i criticise the accuracy or like, explain-ability of your reads, principally i guess i want to know what your spiciest read is. these are all very like, predictable, and just feel like a really easy-to-achieve read baseline

what's your spiciest read?

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Almost like it was coordinated in a pt.

you were too slow by like 2 minutes

but yes
dann and i have our own secret masonry.

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Almost like it was coordinated in a pt.

you were too slow by like 2 minutes

but yes
dann and i have our own secret masonry.

1 min and 1 second.

I don’t understand why people don’t have the seconds field enabled.

i do, i rounded up because i'm annoying

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@yessiree here's the post ur looking for

Spoiler: don't click this penguin

the way i imagine people say infiltrate a townblock is like someone just showing up out of the blue uninvited and going "hello fellow town players" and everyone is cool with that. I think yall are saying something else when u say infiltrate.

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Almost like it was coordinated in a pt.

you were too slow by like 2 minutes

but yes
dann and i have our own secret masonry.

1 min and 1 second.

I don’t understand why people don’t have the seconds field enabled.

i do, i rounded up because i'm annoying

You should re-learn rounding because that’s not how it works.

it is if you round up!!

i thought we'd established that i'm very pretty but not particularly good at math.

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@yessiree here's the post ur looking for

Spoiler: don't click this penguin

the way i imagine people say infiltrate a townblock is like someone just showing up out of the blue uninvited and going "hello fellow town players" and everyone is cool with that. I think yall are saying something else when u say infiltrate.

I will not click that spoiler because I am an honorable penguin.

It does, however, show when I quote it to respond.

Not my fault.

yessiree ruined the magic so i have to explain it now (u can click the spoiler).
it was a stellar opening because it was funny after the convo when firebringer said the thing in the spoiler.

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yessiree & brian wagons are both fantastic we vibin

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the worst is there any part of you that's paranoid that im pocketing you

i know you said the paranoia hasn't set in yet but like

the paranoia not setting in yet is making me mildly paranoid

it occurs to me that it's a possibility but i think like
i reach a point of solving where i have to go "ok my reads don't make sense anymore where have i fucked up" and that's when i start to heavily reevaluate my own pocketability
and i don't think i'm anywhere near there yet, and i don't think you like, needed to pocket me, if i'm being honest, given scum-you would run the risk of tmi'ing

too many worlds make sense to me where you're just town for me to want to give much credit scum-dann worlds yet

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remind me why there's a wagon on brian again?

do u have any reason to townread him outside of the one you dropped?

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ducky were u always this tryhard that u feel like u need to re-evaluate ur entire reads half way into day 1?

what HAPPENED

I have attention regulation issues.

Tbh I think to an extent I've always been quick to burn & re-evaluate my reads if it felt right

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Dunno why really but I'm catching town vibes off this complaint from Oblivion

this post still bugs me a lot btw

i feel like Oblivion was super towny by this point in the thread so the hedginess or uh cautious tone behind this post feels not genuine? like an attempt to seem casual and like he's in the middle of a thought process, but my reaction (and May's) at that point was more along the lines of "wow Oblivion is Super Town"

the "dunno why really" especially doesn't seem that genuine when Pavowski explains the why behind the read later on the same page in 264 and 272

Honestly I feel like Pav's posts are either full of air or feel like they were edited too many times without a final proofread and it's reminding me a lot of when I'm nervy scum trying to seem cool but also wanting my content to slap

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I think Oblivion complaining about the mason block is a lot more likely to come from town, i think scum tend to feel awkward about sticking out like that. especially because Oblivion's qualm wasn't that there was scum in the mason block necessarily, just that it was alienating

it continues to try to engage specific slots on specific topics (like firebringer for example) and i think that is indicative of it being interested in actually solving rather than just appearing like it is doing something

i think it spends a lot of time being an active listener and really trying to make sure it is understanding other people's arguments correctly, and i think that type of persistent attention in much more likely to come from town wanting to figure things out than scum who are usually more content with just Producing Content

really well explained. i like what i can see of the mental modelling that it's talked about as well. i feel that going back the other way, where i really think it is looking for ways to connect w others' brains rather than just reading people & reading slots. if this makes any sense at all.

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i trust penguin to hyovig well. i also acknowledge that i'm stronger lategame, but that i'm like lowkey not a particularly bad vig shot.

let's not ask any more questions about the hypovig tho.

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Penguin, why would you waste high-quality buck shot on a fowl of such low grade when you could use it on someone with blood on their hands and money in their pocket?

also??/ wtf rude????

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dann is cooking with that brian take, i'll need to revisit that at some point

on an unrelated note, i think my mental image of the worst is prolly outdated

you're not a snuggly duckling anymore, you're sir duckington now

sir duckland of duck hall

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the worst is there any part of you that's paranoid that im pocketing you

i know you said the paranoia hasn't set in yet but like

the paranoia not setting in yet is making me mildly paranoid

This seems like something you'd post as scum did you rand scum today

This seems like something you'd post as scum did you rand scum today

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the worst is there any part of you that's paranoid that im pocketing you

i know you said the paranoia hasn't set in yet but like

the paranoia not setting in yet is making me mildly paranoid

This seems like something you'd post as scum did you rand scum today

This seems like something you'd post as scum did you rand scum today

This seems like something you'd post as town did you rand town today?

hey stop copying me

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the worst is there any part of you that's paranoid that im pocketing you

i know you said the paranoia hasn't set in yet but like

the paranoia not setting in yet is making me mildly paranoid

This seems like something you'd post as scum did you rand scum today

This seems like something you'd post as scum did you rand scum today

This seems like something you'd post as town did you rand town today?

hey stop copying me

I didn't, did I hit the scum slip where you don't read the change because you expect your alignment in the post? :3

This seems like something you'd post as town did you rand town today?

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how could i miss the change, it was funny and it had a question mark

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i was thinking earlier how much i liked ur draft number if that counts for anything.

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did i change the worst's homework enough to get a passing grade

me, chewing my lip wondering whether or not to say i was also townreading may:

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I drafted 98th because it's my best tournament placement I ever made at pokeymons. I didn't read the setup to learn what the strategy for picking a number would actually be

damn, nice work

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that was on principle a joke, but like this -

half those takes were stolen from May posts i read tbh

- & dann's read make me want to reevaluate my scumread

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It's kinda funny that I should theoretically do a little stuff that expresses alignment to worst but if I just like don't do anything to express alignment to Dannflor at all and just exist for 3 day phases it's like 99% likely he will read me

I also do think I don't need to do things that make Oblivion Ring town read me

All the other slots do matter like normal tho I didn't rand jester

Whoa pedits

this post is also rattling around in my head in like a NAI but very good post kind of way

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v nervous for my pikachu rn

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Worsty how do I demo towniness to you

idrk after Dann's list my mind is wondering whether I was predisposed disproportionately towards not townreading you earlier bc you were in sync w players who I did not agree with. lemme cook a little longer I'll tell you if I need more.

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Do I do a kickflip?

I think o ring used a kickflip metaphor this game

I like the word kickflip because it's the lowest time cost aerial trick in thps1 iirc

yes please

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I am gonna kill 1 scum with my votes worst

Then show it to you like the brown dog from that NES game that comes bundled with super Mario bros

That game is called

Oh no

Oh noooooo

actually yes omg this is even better

which game is that?

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If I die I think people need to understand that PP is like
30% better town than rand right now
Or something

But that's also close to the cap
I think I like read him in a meaningful way maybe one time. Don't wanna count the bullshit mech in the menalq game

Anyway

He is good people until he does bad stuff day 2 or something

I'll be waving this flag if u die dw I agree

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you know interestingly

VOTE: gob

pls bin my read list from earlier it was real for but a fleeting second

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Duck Hunt is the game May was referring to.

Thank you AI

*whispers* friendship over.

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don't know how i feel about worstie joining me on gob either tbh

I haven't quite decided either if that helps

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I think I'd put June in the same broad category as Pavowski. Thoughts about June?

I think June puts her phone away from this game and single-handedly fights back an entire horse of demons, feels it vibrate, checks and sees a prod message from datisi

in other words my gut tells me she's busy with real world things, I don't really think she's actively concerning (if I had to guess I'd call her musings 5% town), she's a high draft placement, I'm not all that interested in going there

wait if June is on the table for you why is Pav not

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I've had several recent town losses where scum was eliminated d1 and it didn't help in the slightest.

This is a vibe I'm starting to get from the concept of yeeting NotAScum

HUH?

I kinda vibed with this post at first, but then seeing that it was Ducklan [dukʰ.lan] catching up, I could totally see this being a mistake from Ducklan,

I've had several recent town losses where scum was eliminated d1 and it didn't help in the slightest.

This is a vibe I'm starting to get from the concept of yeeting NotAScum

HUH?

i think NotAScum is pretty yeetable and probably actually scum but it doesn't feel like a smart wagon rn

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to lift the curtain a bit when I read Dave's 1090 a little voice in the back of my mind was like "I wonder if we eliminated NAS and NAS flipped red if we'd have one of those games where we hit d1 then lose in 5p"

I do think NAS is pretty scummy even in the context of lhf. I might call u boring if u vote there but I won't fight you on it, I don't think NAS is a bad lim honestly and if day was ending in 14 seconds I'd probably be advocating that we flashyeet NAS!

this is a messy game to sort satisfactorily tho and given thw impeccable standards of NAS' posts so far, I fear he may have peaked and that wagoning him further would be fruitless.



less poetically: he's refusing to play or interact. I doubt wagoning him will fix that. why bother when we can do things that'll actually be interesting?

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that's fair if u think pushing NAS won't compel him to produce any meaningful content, but it should still force his teammates to make a play around it, so that should still be a net positive imo

thats the reason im so hung up on that take

this is part of why I'm sceptical - preference for playing against it vs. playing into it (bus equity) is so meh that I don't think I'd have any clue where his buddies were.

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I think yessiree might be town, which makes Pav less scummy.

what about yessiree strikes u as town, is it a current thing or a catching up & considering thing?

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pagetop

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oops

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Need a summary of the game so far. 65 pages is too much to read.

No one is going to do this for you. If you cannot engage with this game, it has been plenty of time to read some things, even if you cannot read everything. It is tired of hearing the same 3 lines from you. Do something, engage with something, or it's just going to kill you.

NAS has shown multiple times he's not willing to engage with people who respond to his messages anyway