I can feel his eyes. They linger on me and me alone. He is there. He'll always be there. Watching. Judging. Wanting to know what I have become
VOTE: Luca Blight
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this statement but it sounds like you expected people to mention my self vote? I think most people see it as the RVS it was and nothing more.In post 14, Mathdino wrote:mutant plsss stop gambiting and get targeted reactions instead of "OMG HE SELF VOTED WHAT DO WE DO" reactions
My self vote wasn't a gambit, just RVS. I didn't realise people took RVS so seriously and a method of actually reading people, it's always been a way of just saying "Hello, I'm here. This is my joke." to me.In post 26, Mathdino wrote:Did self-voting gambits become really cool in the past year or something? I've never seen them actually benefit in getting reads on people.
Anyway Gamma's town, jmo feels town, wagoning Creature is still a shit idea, I'm working on coming up with Jay's tells (you'd think after seeing him live 4 or 5 times I'd start to figure something out) but I still don't recommend D1 Jay lynch for ~~reasons~~.
@mutant: The point of RVS is to get the ball rolling and start getting reads out of people.
Caaaan I interest you in a NSG or Aneninen mini-wagon so your vote isn't doing nothing?
You offend me good sir.In post 33, JaydragonKing wrote:townread such crappy behavior from him
Ahh yes, I can see where you're coming from there. Pretty much the reason I respect NSG is that she seems like an ideal scum partner for me.In post 35, Mathdino wrote:Basically, the earlier I can sort NSG, the more comfortable I'll feel about the gamestate. Probably the greatest balance between "player I can respect" and "player I won't get paranoid of".
Okay yeah, I'm interested now. I'm now currently trying to think about what your vig plan could be in such a setup as this :3In post 35, Mathdino wrote:You like setup spec and probabilities and shit. I respect that. I don't expect you to know my secret vig plan because I just came up with it about an hour ago.
This almost makes me not want to unvote. But I guess being cranky isn't a scum tell.In post 179, Aneninen wrote:Mutantdevle's 167: "Btw, does anyone know if it's Anen's meta to lurk?" Oh My Gods. A whole day or something like that without my posts. Terrible! But... "So I'm going to take up Math's offer of mini-waggoning them so that they start posting." At that time he wasn't voting for me! Are you afraid of launching a wagon on me without help?
In post 178, Mathdino wrote:He has a scummy playstyle
In post 187, Aneninen wrote:Shouldn't you vote for aIn post 185, mutantdevle wrote:I never said I was scum reading you. My vote was clearly for lack of activity.scumreadthen?
I vote for who I want to vote for. A lot of the time, that's no one.In post 185, mutantdevle wrote:I don't conform to site (or mafia in general) meta.
I assume that was mainly directed towards those of us who played Open 711. Jay was getting me confused with a different player. Math didn't want anyone to correct Jay until we had reactions out of them over it.In post 211, Gamma Emerald wrote:why?In post 74, Mathdino wrote:We're talking about mutantdevle. No one else comment on this convo, thanks.
@Math can you answer this please? Or rather, could you answer this more to the point question: Why (specifically) do you town read NSG so heavily?In post 212, Luca Blight wrote:Math has NSG locked as town already based on hardly anything except meta.
NSG is aware of her meta and has even apparently been studying it. The meta essentially boils down to NSG being 'awkward' as scum - would it be so hard for her to produce a few decent looking posts and secure that easy townread from someone who has such low expectations of her scum game?
I'm being criticised for wanting to be different to what's considered normal?In post 230, pinturicchio wrote:and scumreading Mutant, mostly because of this:That post didn't ping me until Aneninen pointed it out. It seems a really awkward explanation of why we could scumread him.In post 187, Aneninen wrote:I remember reading this a couple of times before. From scum.In post 185, mutantdevle wrote:I wouldn't say my playstyle is scummy, just that I don't conform to site (or mafia in general) meta. I usually look more and more townie the further into a game I live.
Followed by a series of posts from him in his usual style.In post 375, Creature wrote:Hopefully you don't think two busy days mean I'm scum.
Ask A50 why I might not necessarily be voting my strongest scum read. Since he's trying to fly under the radar this game he'll probably take a while to answer. But, as he reminds me often, my reads are bad. I have a meta of awful reads in most games. So naturally, I don't expect myself to be correct.In post 406, Gamma Emerald wrote:about whatIn post 401, mutantdevle wrote:Ask A50
also why do you trust me reaffirming it if I'm scum?
Lol dude, you can't just pull this out of context to misrepresent my opinion.In post 417, Creature wrote:Totally not fence-sitty.In post 407, mutantdevle wrote:It means you are either town who genuinely thinks this could be Creature's scum game or you are scum trying to get us to mislynch.
Come back to EE forums and play a game there?In post 462, Creature wrote:I sorta grew used to MU and that might've affected my MS townplay.
Better hope none of them are the vig thenIn post 474, Creature wrote:There are plenty of players requesting a vig on me.In post 472, mutantdevle wrote:Are you getting paranoid that you're going to be vigged?
It's not been 48 hours for her yet.
I'll try to be it's hardly my choice :3In post 507, Almost50 wrote:@12. mutantdevle: Stick around and you might find me even more amusing than you ever thought.
I'm trying to be proactive but it's kinda hard when a lot of the players here are either strong proactive players themselves or are filling the thread with pure fluff.In post 510, Luca Blight wrote:Light scumread on Mutant just because he seems to be blending in without being particularly proactive. I remember easily townreading him in the other game we played, but it hasn't been the case here.
What makes you so sure? I can't tell if you're joking but I feel like you are since I don't see any reason you'd think you'd be either scum's or the vig's target tonight - unless you genuinely believe A50 is the vig?In post 521, TheGoldenParadox wrote:HOT TAKE: I'm 99% dying tonight.
@Gamma: You blatantly ignore NSG's second question here. You never justified WHY you agree with Math's notion that NSG was lock town at that point in time. Sure, you say you're familiar with her meta. But what specifically about it lead you to lock town NSG at the time? This is especially relevant since math has said this opinion was a gambit. So basically, you're agreeing with math over something he didn't genuinely believe.In post 536, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was aware of it since Gest ideaIn post 525, northsidegal wrote:what? why doIn post 236, Gamma Emerald wrote: First line I can agree with. Second not sure what informs it?youagree with that? since when were you aware of my meta?
I was never voting for you, but I had stated intent to vote so I guess this question is directed towards me too. Math is my strongest town read - everything about his play screams town to me. I think the main point to suggest he is scum is the notion that his gambits aren't legit and just scum being flip-floppy with their reads. I've never seen scum Math, but his town play is incredibly strong IMO (even if a little arrogant) and he doesn't strike me as someone who'd make such stupid mistakes as scum. I don't believe he is backtracking or flailing on anything, they are genuine gambits.In post 544, northsidegal wrote:@Everyone voting me – please inform me of what your mathdino read is. Doesn't have to be detailed, you can condense it to a few words, even.
My "I don't conform to site meta. I usually look more an more townie" IS my meta though.. would you like me to link you to games where I have said similar things or where others have noticed how I get townier as the day goes on? And I already pointed out that Creature's statement of 'He's fence-sitting' is a blatant misrep by removing 1 statement from its context. If you have other points of where I've seemingly been sitting on a fence then feel free to point them out but I get the feeling that you're just not reading everything in the thread (which I don't really blame you for tbh since there's been quite a bit of fluff from Gamma and pointless back and forth arguments).In post 591, pinturicchio wrote:His "I don't conform to site meta. I usually look more an more townie" still seems scummy to me. I agree with Creature saying he seems fence sitting
I don't see what Math's read on NSG has to do with my read on Gamma and I have no idea what your second question is - possibly because I am unfamiliar with the term?In post 595, Aneninen wrote:Right after Mathdino's surprise scumread on NSG?In post 340, mutantdevle wrote:I'm not so sure Gamma is town tbh, but I'm not sure if it's just his posting style that's triggering me.
Can we see a soft-chainsaw here?
I don't follow your logic on why the latter 2 of math's posts would cause you not to follow the logic of his first?In post 623, Aneninen wrote:Wait-oh.In post 617, Mathdino wrote:Pintu and Paradox seem fine to me. I consider Luca to basically be a policyvig. If town agreed to it, I'd love a vig on Luca, but otherwise, probably a bad idea.In post 12, Mathdino wrote:3. You are not allowed to scumreadmutantdevleand GoldenParadox for standard scumtells. I've seen them both mislynched when they were towntelling left and fucking right. If anyone has any firsthand scum meta of them, go ahead and share.Considering the underlined names I can't really follow your logic.In post 338, Mathdino wrote:Paradox andJayare currently not readable. Stop trying. Jay dies before LyLo, and Paradox needs to provide more content or he goes straight into the scumpool.
I call BS. If he had done that then he wouldn't have known Luca could potentially have been voted for. Saying he didn't want to vote Luca because he wasn't aware of his wagon status is such BS. The town justification for why he didn't vote Luca with the FoS would simply be that he straight up didn't want to vote. You don't HAVE to vote your scummier reads, but scum Gamma would have felt pressured to. Additionally, if he truly did want to vote Luca, he would have checked to see if there was a wagon. But he didn't care for actually voting, he just felt pressured to.In post 263, Gamma Emerald wrote:I skipped a few pages cos I was taking a break
Maybe that's just your own opinion getting in the way?In post 655, Aneninen wrote:From his point of view Jay or you would be a better Vig-target than Luca.In post 653, mutantdevle wrote:I don't follow your logic on why the latter 2 of math's posts would cause you not to follow the logic of his first?
Thanks for making this post with a clear structure so that is easy to respond to instead of just rambling on about the reasons I'm wrong in a giant paragraph <3In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
I think you're scumreading me partially for playstyle (the one-liners are NAI and I can prove it). Besides that there's the "he doesn't care for answers" poke which I've been accused of in the past several times so what I'd like you to do is find the responses I haven't engaged with so I can look at them at a glance and see what I make/made of them. As for not voting Luca I've been kinda on edge wrt accidental hammers as of late. In a past game I was hammered because no one was keeping track of votes, and in the game Aneni referenced for my meta I was thinking I was hammered at one point and I was like "shit I didn't get to do anything to stop this". Also what's wrong with vote parking in the early game? Along with that, if I didn't have any other suspicions why should I be moving my vote? The Aneninen vote, I've explained it a couple time and I call bullshit on you not seeing it because you say you read my ISO. I'm not explaining it for you again btw, go find it yourself. As for the Creature vote I felt like that was enough along with his lack of activity so far. As for the issue with my vote sticking on Creature I was still scumreading that one post but his activity had improved so I felt it was 1) better to give him some time and 2) I felt comfortable giving up the point there. Also if I wanted to vote park Creature why not explain why it wasn't a fluke and keep voting? If you think that one post was enough why would something else change that?
In post 276, Gamma Emerald wrote:WOOOOOW destruction of context much?In post 177, Aneninen wrote:I don't understand why Gamma brought that replacement up in 58, especially if he added two posts later:"lolwut that was in the past dude"How can I say, he was posting without producing real content.
I was trying to give advice as to what to make of someone's play seeming like their past town play, and when jmo said to not bring it up again I figured he thought there was something going on there so I was like "whoa it's not what you think"
Like this feelsreally fucking disingenuous.
It can later be infered (but again you never actually say so) that you scum read him by suggesting you'd jailkeep him if you were the jailkeeper.In post 279, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually Aneni's post I just referring to has a lot of discrediting it seems
Your vote on Anen then seemingly comes out of nowhere in 309In post 282, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hope you don't mind if I jailkeep you thenIn post 181, Aneninen wrote:Obviously, I'm not answering this. But you must admit that my Vig-play makes the game more exciting. I mean, if the town's winning I make the game more balanced...In post 178, Mathdino wrote: Always appreciated your playstyle, but GOD do I hope you're not vig this time
So you don't think his post was disingenuous, just that it was trying to discredit? TheGoldenParadox then asked you the following question:In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote: Because he's looking like he's trying to discredit
To which your response is:In post 346, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Pedit - Gamma, how is Aneinen trying to discredit here? Who/what is he trying to discredit?
Please explain to me in what world you have answered this question at all? You have not explained how Anen is discrediting, you have not explained who he's discrediting and you have not explained what he is discrediting. "it has to do with his earlier posting" is no explanation whatsoever and completely avoids the question. I think this just further shows how fabricated this read is. There are plenty of reasons why you could criticise Anen but you aren't even able to justify one of them.In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote:it has to do with Aneni's earlier posting
Anen himself asks you what discrediting you are on about yet you are still unable to properly explain and yet again avoid the question. Word's like "maybe" and "i guess" clearly shows that you are unsure of this shit explanation you are giving.In post 453, Gamma Emerald wrote:The context that I was talking about meta theory, I brought up a past incident, and jmo didn't realize how old it was. I meanIn post 446, Aneninen wrote:What context? You brought up something than you said it had been the past. What did thatIn post 276, Gamma Emerald wrote:WOOOOOW destruction of context much?with that comment includedhave to do with this game?for fuck's sakeDid you not see jmo's 61?Maybe it's closer to shading but it seems you're pointing out a lot more scummy things than towny things. I guess it's an inversion of the "scum don't need to townhunt" idea.What discrediting?In post 279, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually Aneni's post I just referring to has a lot of discrediting it seems
In post 465, Gamma Emerald wrote:A50 vote Aneni with me
Since the only post A50 had made that had anything to do with Anen was this:In post 476, Gamma Emerald wrote:I figured it was a fair idea because we had similar thoughts on himIn post 467, Almost50 wrote:I'll vote somewhere when NSG comes online.In post 465, Gamma Emerald wrote:A50 vote Aneni with me
WAIT A SECOND!! Gamma asking ME to work with him?? Is it judgement day already???
I will admit it's probably a first though
Can someone please explain to me how anything A50 said her was even remotely similar to what Gamma has been saying? Because I don't see any similarities. Gamma had never criticised Anen for taking things out of context and A50 wasn't even criticising Anen.In post 464, Almost50 wrote:This was literally taken out of context. Jay was saying my play was nothing like he has ever seen me before (and he only saw me as Town) as an alternative to the "trying too hard not to get NK'd" option.In post 452, Aneninen wrote:Also, getting lynched? You weren't wagoned at all!In post 316, Almost50 wrote: ...
Yeah, trying my hardest not to get NK'd on N1 by getting myself lynched on D1. GENIUS!
andIn post 605, Gamma Emerald wrote:I answered this already. The same post by you where I took issue with your analysis of my 58+60 I felt had too little town-tells spotted, I felt like you were not really trying to townhunt which felt scummy.In post 595, Aneninen wrote:Although my scumread on went away yesterday, I'm still asking it: where?In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because he's looking like he's trying to discredit
So don't you dare try and say you have justified your Anen read because you have failed to explain it multiple times even when asked. If I am missing anything then feel free to point it out but this read is absolute horseshit. And now you've unvoted him now that real pressure has come to you other it.In post 663, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I'm not sure how much of that game is impacting my read here but I think your play is worse than there tbh (this is before checking that post again as directed)
What a cop out.In post 668, Gamma Emerald wrote:also UNVOTE: because I'm liking Aneni's solviness currently
Certainly.In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:Besides that there's the "he doesn't care for answers" poke which I've been accused of in the past several times so what I'd like you to do is find the responses I haven't engaged with so I can look at them at a glance and see what I make/made of them.
Well, it would help if you informed me which parts of my case against you fall under that.In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think you're scumreading me partially for playstyle (the one-liners are NAI and I can prove it).
Could you answer my above query to Gamma? I'd trust your analysis of it more since a) I am mostly convinced you are town and B) I think Gamma is likely to exaggerate what parts of my case are nullified due to simply being his play style.In post 684, Mathdino wrote:re: mutantcase: i mean i agree with your read but also a shitton of that is definitely gamma's playstyle
Fair enough. I can see why that would make you cautious with placing your vote.In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for not voting Luca I've been kinda on edge wrt accidental hammers as of late. In a past game I was hammered because no one was keeping track of votes, and in the game Aneni referenced for my meta I was thinking I was hammered at one point and I was like "shit I didn't get to do anything to stop this".
Vote parking isn't necessarily scummy if you have no better leads but I just find it odd how you returned to Creature later and were scum reading Anen a while before you changed your vote.In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also what's wrong with vote parking in the early game? Along with that, if I didn't have any other suspicions why should I be moving my vote?
I interpreted it as tunnelling coming from specifically scum by criticising literally everything the player is saying or doing.In post 691, Mathdino wrote:@Anen: is that a fancy way of saying mutant is tunneling you
You can't think I'm both lying out of my teeth and have missed critical information, that kinda counters each other.In post 704, Gamma Emerald wrote:BULLSHIT! You're lying out of your teeth here! Again you miss critical information in my ISO, and you quoted the fucking post so this is inexcusable! I sated earlier that Aneninen destroyed to context of my 58+60, and A50 complain about something of his being taken out of context so I asked him to vote with me since we agreed on that point.
Since your main point against Anen seemed to be about the discrediting (since the discrediting part was the only thing to be mentioned several times) it kinda pushed your point of Anen removing context out of my mind so I was not thinking about it when I read A50's post and hence failed to make the connection. I apologise for that. If by "a lot of discrediting" you meant that he simply took that 1 trivial thing you said out of context then that makes a lot more sense for your read. But do you not see how phrasing it as "a lot of discrediting" suggest more that he was trying to nullify a lot of what other people were saying and not just that he took a single thing you specifically said out of context? Perhaps the reason I assumed your main point was the 'discrediting' is because that's the specific part that Anen brought up about what you said about him. This is the reason you should properly explain your reads and not just 1 off state your reasons in forgettable 1 liners.In post 276, Gamma Emerald wrote:WOOOOOW destruction of context much?
I'm not lying about ISOing you fully. I ISO'd you initially and skim read things to make sure I wasn't making mistakes when I made my initial push on you. I then ISOd you to look at all your points against Anen as per your request and then I ISOd you a third time to find all the questions that you didn't care about the answers for. I obviously did not read and memorise every single word you said. Naturally, if your point about the discrediting is mentioned more than your point about ignoring context then it's going to be the one I remember.In post 715, Gamma Emerald wrote:you're lying about having actually tried to ISO me fully.
As for the process from "destruction of context" to "looks like discrediting", I had skimmed and noted the egregiousness of the response to my post, then I went back to look closer and felt the amount of negative points was oddly high. So both of those were true at the same time. As for the quick read change is it something you'd say town never does? And I'm not "basing my reads on whether you give me shit for them"; that very conceited and misrepresentative in a way that tries to paint me as caring what you think about me.
And honestly I didn't say this yet but I think part of my read (like 20%) on Anen was OMGUS because of voting me for not catching up before interacting in real time.
I am paying attention, I just failed to memorise 1 sentence that was kinda crucial to explaining your motivation. And what do you mean by I've been called out for 'the tell'? You mean the regardless of card thing? I disagree that I'm doing that since I'm not criticising literally everything you do and I'm still open to the possibility you are town. I'm just not praising you for your town tells as I obviously scum read you. After all, tunnelling people isn't just about getting people lynched, it's also about seeing how they react under pressure so that you can sort them. And I haven't cut anything out of my posting; I'm still posting normally. I'm also not trying to make it sound like you're tailoring your reads towards me specifically, my point was that you came across as though you backed down on a read based on pressure due to the sudden nature of the read change (which I'm now assuming is not AI for you but I'll make sure to check your meta at some point since both you and math have stated that part of my points against you are over your playstyle). Finally, I think my mistakes are neither scum bs nor honest town mistakes. They are simple human error.In post 719, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay well you're not paying attention at all then because you're constantly making mistakes when ISOing me.
Alright you seem to be fine on the read change thing but you've already been called out for the tell so I can't go "oh he's improving he might be town" because you're very likely to have noticed that and to have attempted to cut it out of your posting.And sure everyone cares about how they're read but you make it sound like I'm tailoring them to you, which is very much not the case.
My read on you is 0% OMGUS. I wasn't really scumreading you until I started getting into your points and noticing errors that I felt were more likely to be scum bullshitting rather than honest town mistakes, along with the Regardless Of Card thing.
What are my other errors? I'm only aware of the context and A50 mistake. And I don't 'go after you' for simply changing your vote; I was tunnelling you long before that. But obviously I'm going to pull you up on any additional things you do that I view as scummy. I'm not too sure what you're trying to argue with your anecdote but eh. And you say that quick read changes only happen in a few games for you? So why has it happened 3 times in this game? And my mistakes are simple human error because the only mistake you have shown me thus far is me simply not registering that your read on Anen was to do with how he neglected context. And what do you consider an improvement? What are you trying to get me to improve? I'd argue that I can't improve anything until I know your alignment. Also, I am trying to sort you, that's a given when it comes to pushing someone.In post 723, Gamma Emerald wrote:You've made multiple errors analysing my posts. You may not be scumreading all that I'm doing but the fact you went after me for changing my read tells me you didn't care what I did, you were just going to hound me on it. As for changing reads based on being pressured on them, I am actually against that since I have a bad memory of one time I did that and the person I let go, went to 4p mylo as scum and won. As such I'm rather disinclined to drop a read just because someone says "that's wrong". fyi the quick read change is a thing that has only happened in select few games iirc so if you need those I'll point you to them. How are your mistakes simpple human error? I'd think you'd try to improve if you actually cared to sort me.
Lol I thought that was just your normal play.In post 735, JaydragonKing wrote:I've kinda tuned them out as well and have been posting non-game related stuff to get noticed and see if they'd jump for my throat so I could do something this game, but they are in their own world.
In post 746, northsidegal wrote:what kind of "mistakes" are you referring to?
In post 747, Mathdino wrote:what the fuck "stupid mistakes" have i even made lol
i've done more for publicly sorting players than you have mutant
Lol my point was that I think your gambits and indeed gambits and not stupid mistakes. I wasn't saying you had made any stupid mistakes you sillies. It's just someone mentioned earlier who scum reads math that his gambits were fake (specifically his one about changing the lock town read on NSG). I could only assume that their belief was that this was actually scum math being flip floppy. Scum math wouldn't be so stupid as to so blatantly flip flop on a read which means it was irrefutably just a gambit.In post 748, Mathdino wrote:also how can something be a stupid mistake as scum but simultaneously be an awesome play as town
a stupid play is stupid regardless of alignment unless you're shooting yourself in the foot by being too pro-town
Lol no. Just because that's what I spent the most time talking about doesn't mean it's my main argument. There was just a lot more hard evidence for that (which has obviously now been disproven now that my mistake in missing 1 forgettable line of text has been acknowledged).In post 765, Aneninen wrote:TL;DR: about 80% of Mutant's case is based upon Gamma's scumread on me.
Yeah, I don't do that anymore.In post 818, Luca Blight wrote:Spoiler: Compare this from Mutant's Town game:
Spoiler: To his reads list in this game:
Also note the first one is earlier in the game than the one he posted this game - too early for such a reads list really, but just look at the curiosity and enthusiasm in that post as well as his comfortable tone.
Up until being informed about its purpose in this game, I had been under the impression that all RVS votes were pure jokes. As such, every single RVS vote I have made in every game I have played has been joke based. So I didn't expect anyone to draw reads from my self-vote because I thought it would be 100% interpreted as a joke. It's now been explained to me that RVS isn't just a joke and is more intended to start the game off I'll likely be less jokey with RVS in future games.In post 792, Luca Blight wrote:Mutant
His opening gut-pinged me a bit.
I do find his apparent surprise that people suspected his self-vote odd as well - Such an opening could be townie if it's intended to move the game forward by deliberately drawing such suspicion on himself, but to dismiss such suspicion clearly means this wasn't his intention.
Since my first game on this site I've tended not to explain reads unless either asked to or that player is in discussion. So just as a note for all future games, just ask me about things and I'll be fully transparent about them. Your discussion with Math didn't really have too much of a definitive conclusion for me tbh as most of it seemed like pointless back and forth. I came out of it with a town lean on math and scum lean on you but I feel that's more to do with your playstyles than anything else. I think I'm always going to naturally distrust you at the start of games due to the aggressiveness of your playstyle.In post 792, Luca Blight wrote:167 - Mutant said he likes the discussion between me and Math as we're both players he'd like to sort, but I don't believe he ever goes on to comment on our discussions or openly attempt to sort us? He says he distrusts me here but doesn't specify why.
I'd have kept my vote on if I didn't like Anen's response in a scummy way but yeah, admittedly, that was a pointless vote. My pressure votes usually are. That's why I don't tend to vote unless it's to get the target of my vote lynched as I know my votes often have little or no impact.In post 792, Luca Blight wrote:185 - So basically Mutant was going to unvote as soon as Anen said something? It just seems like a pointless move on Mutant's part.
I explain my scum lean on you above. I don't think of you as scum anymore though. You're null to me now. I'm beginning to trust you more but not as easily as last game. Our last game I started trusting you because I agreed with a lot of what you said - I don't feel that so much here. Though reading people off of shared opinions is probably a bad outlook on a game as it makes me susceptible to being pocketed; I acknowledge that but still fall for it :/ As for Anen, my read on him has changed. Though that should be obvious by my comments on him. I initially town read him because his first interactions with me reminded me of my interactions with A50 in stack the deck where I scum read him despite a legit bodyguard claim, so I thought that my first instinct that he was scummy would be flat out wrong like it was with A50. But now I'm leaning towards my instinct a little more.In post 792, Luca Blight wrote:399 - Has me down as a 'scum-lean' even though he's not commented on me at all other than to say he 'distrusts me', without actually saying why he distrusts me. His whole attitude to the Math v Luca things just feels really lazy to me. I don't know why he's townreading Anen - that doesn't match-up with what he's posted so far. I don't like how he's repeatedly following Math this game either.
I didn't want my Gamma case to distract from sorting NSG. Creature is someone who is easily sorted once a decent amount of time has passed but it felt like we were zeroing in on NSG at the time. If I had started pushing Gamma at that point it would have pulled attention away from Math's attempts to read them and I wanted my push to be exactly that, a push, not a counter to NSG.In post 793, Luca Blight wrote:469 - He's talking about doing stuff but not actually doing stuff. I don't see why he has to wait for NSG to post before pushing Gamma.
I don't really agree with the reasons Math is being scum read tbh and I don't feel the need to strongly defend him over them either, hence why I've ignored most of it. The 'scummy' things are pretty much just Math's gambits. I can understand why he'd be scum read over these things as they make sense to be coming from scum but I don't see it as that and believe what he says about them so that makes him town to me.In post 793, Luca Blight wrote:650 - I don't like the confidence of his Math townread. Myself and others have repeatedly pointed out reasons why Math is scummy, which Mutant has ignored.
As per all my reads lists, if you want any 1 read explained then you just have to ask.In post 794, Luca Blight wrote:I'd like an updated readslist from Mutant soon.
May I just ask, what was the point you were trying to make here? I don't think a conclusion was ever reached.In post 749, northsidegal wrote:let's play a game, everyone – someone tell me the difference between this post:
Spoiler:
and this one:In post 591, pinturicchio wrote:Ok guys, I've tried to be as fast as I can, but this game is much more fast paced that I thought it was. I've been reading though, and I have some thoughts I want to share. I think the best way I can do this post without using a whole page is doing a summary of my reads and then a spoiler with bigger and better explanations.
First of all, my townreads (in this order): Luca, GoldenParadox and Mathdino.Spoiler: Townreads
Townleans: NSG, Jay and Creature (in this order, too).Spoiler: Townleans
Nulls: jmo, Almost50 and Aneninen (again, in that order).Spoiler: Nulls
Scumlean: mutant.Spoiler: mutant
Scumread: Gamma.Spoiler: Gamma
I'm doing this long post mostly because I fell behind this game as there has been a lot of meta readings and strategy aroun this kind of reads, so there's nothing much I could talk about during those conversations. With this, I'm expecting to be engaged so I can contribute with more content and help everyone sort me and help me sorting everyone.
Don't give me history lesson flashbacks because that gives me Vietnam flashbacks which then gives me further history lesson flashbacks.
Mfw... I'm surprised no one else picked up on that. Maybe if you posted more you wouldn't be so forgettable?In post 864, Almost50 wrote:@mutant: I believe we have a ghosted read on your list.