Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

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Happy birthday Alonzo! Here's a present for you
VOTE: Alonzo

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@Pinturicchio show me you're town so we can co-author wild conspiracy theories.
VOTE: Pinturicchio

When the time comes... the tinfoil hat will rise from the ashes of our ancestors

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Next person to say Slayers Gambit gets policy slapped

Slayers Gambit IME is a fantastic way to sort playstyles while accomplishing nothing

Isnt there something more interreting to talk about?

Technically, you were the next person who said Slayers Gambit, so you should policy slap yourself

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Hell yeaaaah. Naked vote + omgus = lots of fun

He's the third vote on me. Statistically, the third vote is always scum

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pintchorizo

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OMFG

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Stop this game right now, put it on hold; we NEED more pictures from that good boy/girl!

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Oooooh wallposts, I love wallposts

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I threw up in my mouth a little bit Quick is right!!

Town can be: me Quick Sando Fumuki for now

Pinkchurros what are you thinkin

I remember Quick being less serious in our last game together, although he replaced in there so I don't know how he plays at the start of a game, but him being so serious at an RVS state pings me (the whole Fuckyouandme situation seems odd)

I'm scumleaning mutant, meta reasons

I like you and Sando, with Oxy a little behind

Korina I don't where he at but he will be sorted

Miltank unsortable and seems that he's happy with that meta

I can't remember who else is playing

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Yeah he seems town, but idk I'm not convinced yet

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Silence Pintscummio!

Oh no, how did you know my scum name!?

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Ceej

Whats on your mind

Who's ceej?

And what's on your mind duckling? Are you gathering information to make your own stance?

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Yeah you're right.

Do you think Miltank would give us his thoughts if we ask him politely?

Fixed broken tag.

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Uuummm I think you forgot your townread on the best player of this game

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bro you are all fluff and one read list I can't town read you, but I really want to fuck

I was talking about Iconeum (?)

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lolol you better make some great hats this game.

What do you think about the duckling not really game solving?

Actually, Duckling/Not_Mafia is my first conspiracy theory of this game. I was townreading Duckling for his suspicions on Mutant as I'm scumleaning him too, but I now noticed that he said something like "I may be biased about him" and me no likey.

Duckling's RVS vote was on Not_Mafia and his next interaction with him was "Oh i forgot you were here!"; Ducking says he would policy lynch NM if we don't have a better scumread, then says the benefits and cons of policy lynching NM.

Duckling start building a townbloc with Quick, Sando and someone else, pretty early game to start doing this, and Quick seems a good player to pocket

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pingpongchurro

These are getting out of hand, and I love it

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p.edit @sordicchio How did I know you would go there with your first? Am I starting to think like you???? Why is Quick a good pocket?

Tinfoil hat is a way of life, yo.

About Quick, he's loud. These are the best players to pocket, for they are hard to mislynch from scum perspective, and they can push mislynches for you and get away with it. So if Duck/NM are scum, they will give him an early townread (both of them have done this) and try to do some inception shit on him so he goes to the wrong directions

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Hilariously, I just finished a scumgame with NM the other week. Want a link?

Funny you ask when you already posted a game where you were town and NM was scum.

Sure, gimme some links. Do you have the scum PT of that game? Better yet if you have this game's scum PT

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p.edit @sordicchio How did I know you would go there with your first? Am I starting to think like you???? Why is Quick a good pocket?

Tinfoil hat is a way of life, yo.

About Quick, he's loud. These are the best players to pocket, for they are hard to mislynch from scum perspective, and they can push mislynches for you and get away with it. So if Duck/NM are scum, they will give him an early townread (both of them have done this) and try to do some inception shit on him so he goes to the wrong directions

M8, it sounds like you know I am Town here. I'm half tempted to jump off NM just for this!

Read my earlier post, I'm talking about a duck/NM scumteam that are trying to pocket you. If I'm right about those two, you're town

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75184
game link

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=75173
scum pt

Check your inbox for this game's

Thanks! But I thought there would be some pregame talk there, I'm disappointed

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Bah but is Oxy or devle scum...hm

Mutant/Oxy is my second tinfoil hat theory

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What the hell happened here. Like 10 pages to read at 6 in the morning, not fun. But I did, and Oxy vs Sando vs the worst is great content, don't miss it even if it's hard to read.

I currently have Pintu as a scum lean and, as I explained earlier, I don't know why. He just feels off this game, like his posts are pinging me but I really can't put my finger on why.

Tell me ONE thing that pings you that makes sense and I'll give you a pass, but you played scum with me and saying "I don't know why" and "he feels off this game" is absolutely nothing, just trying to put me in the top of mind of people with no explanation.

Mutant is scum, easy peasy Lemon Squeezy

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I do feel like me. I always start with fluffy posts, either as town or scum. Almost all my finished games are games I replaced in, so I didn't have the chance to be on an RVS phase and troll around a little. The only game I've started and I haven't done this is the game we where scum together, and that's because that was my first scum game in this site and I was baffled with pro players like Dino (hi Dino <3), and the RVS there was a lot shorter than here. So you saying "you don't feel like you" when the only game we have finished together is a game where we were scum together pings me.

Want to know the scum metaread I have on you? You overexplain when you're scum. You don't feel the need to do that when you're town because your reads are almost always gutreads so you can't explain them very well, but when you start overexplaining that, there's a scumtell.

VOTE: mutant

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And before you say you're not overexplaining, I'm not talking about your read on me specifically, I mean on this game as a whole. Just look at your ISO, or your 3 in the morning post

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"Twist your words", haven't done that, I stated a case on you based on meta, and no, I've only played with you being scum together, but I read Stack the Deck where you were town

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Sorry I don't really know if the name of that game was Stack the Deck, it's the game that the worst linked here where Dino was moderator and NM was scum

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the more I review the more opportunistic and weird pintu felt in Pint/Mutant

Trying to deflect the attention you're starting to get?

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Finally, something fun to read instead of that painful 1v1 between Quick and Sandro

Hydra, what do you think about Not Mafia? Have you played with him before?

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urmom is my partner

Scumslip

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I remember Quick being less serious in our last game together, although he replaced in there so I don't know how he plays at the start of a game, but him being so serious at an RVS state pings me (the whole Fuckyouandme situation seems odd)

Are you talking about the game where it got so heated between me and Boon that I replaced out? Yeah, I was serious the whole fucking game there, so no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking specifically about the start of the game; your entrance was with another town, more relaxed maybe, but don't worry there are multiple reasons for you acting different

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Just popping in to say I'm reading less and less of the game as the pages go by, would anyone like to guess why?

I feel you

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Ico/Alonzo/x let's gooo

I think the x would be Korina, but I don't know, Alonzo is a null at this time for me. But Ico and Korina definitely are suspicious. Ico's vote on me is maybe the worst thing I have seen in this thread and that's a lot to say. And Korina pushing me because I was "implying that Quick is the Hider" is a close second.

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I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his post was ugly. Why are you townreading him tho? I would say he's a null at best

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I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his post was ugly. Why are you townreading him tho? I would say he's a null at best

i seriously doubt scum korina ever plays like that here.

Do you mean you have a metaread on him, or are you implying that any scum would play like that? Have you played with Korina before?

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I'm rather new to the site... What's a soulread? Or are you messing around?

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why do you people have to do this

You mean replacing out or making this game awful to read? Because 2 explains 1

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^^ If we wagon Icon then at least we don't have to worry about a lol hammer.

UNVOTE:

Fuck.

This is perfect

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VOTE: Mutant

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No, I don't, explain it to me like I am 5.

Can you two seriously stop spamming the thread with this inane BS.

Quick, this is the convo:

Quick - when wagons are this fast they're typically on town
Mom - when wagons happen they're typically on town,

the speed of the wagon doesn't change that fact

He's saying the wagon being fast or slow does not change that wagons are more likely to be on town than on scum.

Thank you thank you thank you you're the hero we deserve

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What do you suggest then, Quick??? Could you stop talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and...


...and talking and talking and start gamesolving? Because you're not helping, at all. You know that a lot of people have replaced out because of how awful the discussions of this game has been right? Do you acknowledge that?

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VOTE: MOMOMEN

Didn't Like Fu

Dont like This

HEY

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RN Eddie head is about at

{Quick, Sando} - and by the way, if NM is scum Quick is still hard town.
{Oxy, Piss} - If Mutant and TW end up being town, Oxy is likely scum but I don't want him to be I love him </3
{NM, Pintu} - townreads for garbage reasons. Mostly just gut ping town.
{random} - null, but I want to call this slot town for no reason.
{CJ}
{TW, Ico, Alonzo, Mutant} - kill this pool with fire and if it doesn't have at least 2 of the scum i'll be very surprised

In your bottom bracket i'd be putting the 4-some of Mutant/Sando/Pintu/Alonzo.

Pintu I read as town. Mostly because of how genuine his posts sound. Not really because of the content.

So are you scumreading me or townreading me? Inconsistency is pretty scummy, you know... Because scum has to fake scumreads, while town just say what they are thinking

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If you are actually town hardscumreading me for LESS THAN SEMANTICS you are the worst mafia player on the planet. Seriously. Revisit your reasoning so we can have a conversation or move on to actual scum.

I've seen this kind of reactions far more times coming from scum than from town. What is it that everyone has to fucking shit on a player to make him feel bad for what he thinks just to win a fucking game? Can you not town it up by any other means, are you not good enough?

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If you are actually town hardscumreading me for LESS THAN SEMANTICS you are the worst mafia player on the planet. Seriously. Revisit your reasoning so we can have a conversation or move on to actual scum.

I've seen this kind of reactions far more times coming from scum than from town. What is it that everyone has to fucking shit on a player to make him feel bad for what he thinks just to win a fucking game? Can you not town it up by any other means, are you not good enough?

I am begging him to play the game. Show me where this comes from scum more than town.

There are other ways to "beg him to play the game". Saying "you are the worst mafia player on the planet" with a shitty tone is not the best one. There's a list of players that I've seen do this to make a toxic enviroment just to win their scum games. I'm not implying you're one of those, of course not, just... Don't do that, please.

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If you are actually town hardscumreading me for LESS THAN SEMANTICS you are the worst mafia player on the planet. Seriously. Revisit your reasoning so we can have a conversation or move on to actual scum.

I've seen this kind of reactions far more times coming from scum than from town. What is it that everyone has to fucking shit on a player to make him feel bad for what he thinks just to win a fucking game? Can you not town it up by any other means, are you not good enough?

I am begging him to play the game. Show me where this comes from scum more than town.

There are other ways to "beg him to play the game". Saying "you are the worst mafia player on the planet" with a shitty tone is not the best one. There's a list of players that I've seen do this to make a toxic enviroment just to win their scum games. I'm not implying you're one of those, of course not, just... Don't do that, please.

Suggesting he really desperately needs to evaluate his reasoning is not toxic. There was a heavy if and if you consider me generally toxic I would really like you to say so, I'd appreciate the feedback.

That being said VOTE: pinturicchio flips red

No, suggesting he needs to evaluate his reasoning is not toxic, the way you said it is toxic. But as I said, I'm not suggesting you are a toxic, not even close. But there's a fine line that it's better not to be crossed, especially when we are playing a game without looking ourselves into the eyes. Read my post again: I'm asking you, please, not to cross that line, you never know who's behind the black mirror on the other side. If you want feedback, I would say that my first impression on you is that you are fun: keep it that way!

About your vote:

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I am, just strongly dislike unreasonable people.

If you're going off gut say it. If you have a case lay it down. Don't serve up that kind of crap.

Yeah, I feel you, I just strongly dislike toxicity even more than unreasonable people. Just give Oxy some time, it's his first game out of Rome.

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@mutant for the record: me defending Oxy doesn't mean I think he's town. I didn't like Duckling's tone, so I asked him to be careful. You're over reaching with your gut read on me! Either you're very very wrong, ir very very scummy.

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You're over reaching with your gut read on me! Either you're very very wrong, ir very very scummy.

You missed the third option where defending someone can easily be interpreted as the defender town reading who they are defending due to that kinda being the whole point of defending someone.

So what is your read on Oxy?

I think he's town, but I feel he's scum, but I have no sustent to townread nor scumread him. So the real question is: are my gutreads good enough to follow them? And the answer is I don't know.

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@Heisenburg

I want you in the hundred club. Start posting.

Hello mister Alonzo.

About the emotional manipulation: look at the timeline. He (Mutant) started gutreading me as scum, then I asked the worst to be careful, then Mutant comes and talks about me being good at emotional manipulation. Do you see what I'm saying? He's building a case after thinking I'm scum, not before, so he's reaching as hell. I haven't manipulated anyone in this game, not even close of what I did in that scumgame. My posts directed at Duckling weren't game related, I just asked him to not make toxic posts because I don't like them.

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I dont feel like we are getting much game solve from
@pinturrichio

Oh, glad to know you're not reading the thread!

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I dont feel like we are getting much game solve from
@pinturrichio

Oh, glad to know you're not reading the thread!

Well I tried to read you but you seem distant here.

Further Investigations show you are much more interested in other games.

I am reading the thread. I'd like to see a few of these tinfoil hat theories of yours.

Yeah, I'll have much more time now that the game I was invested the most just finished, but consider that the way this game was going made me want to rip my eyeballs. I'll reread tonight with my tinfoil hat on

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Miltank used lolhammer. It's super effective!

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Did someone say beetlejuice?

Same. People talking about me without giving any thoughts on me, sheesh

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@Pintu

Who or what is making this game less enjoyable than your others?

Quick and Momomen's battle of who has the longer dick.

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were salty because you're mostly shit, particularly quick

-eddie

only post today and busy now So yea

Are you including me in your "because you're mostly shit" list? It would be very, very ironic if you do

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@Sando what do you wanna know from me?

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@Sando what do you wanna know from me?

Why Mom has you in his top 3, I was asking him, but hey if you know or want to pre-empt it then that's cool. Wasn't specifically asking you personally anything though.

Oh, sorry, I read Momo OR Pintu lol

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No, I'm not bitching about people arguing, Alonzo asked me why I'm not as engaged as in other games and I said because of your ongoing thing with Quick, nothing else, nothing less. So don't try to drag me to your AtE please, thank you

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Lol nice one. I'm not posting because this day started on a busy weekend and all the content has been you and Quick; I'm townreading both of you, so I have nothing new to contribute. Want a solid contribution? I will whine whenever you and Quick start addressing each other because your ongoing thing is helping scum to blend in. Sorry if I wasn't clearer about this

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Ok, real talk: let's town it up guys, everyone. Let's leave behind the bitter drink we sipped and work together.

My reads: mutant is still scum from my point of view, and the worst being the nightkill almost confirms this read.

Quick and MOMOMEN are town battling to be the townleader and that's not good, but they're town tho so it's important to read what they say.

@Sando and @Alonzo I want to believe you're both town and I'm willing to work with both of you so hit me up and let's make them juicy content.

@everyone else: come here and talk, we have work to do

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@MOMOMEN if you chilled I want to work with you too

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Oh one last thing: are we not gonna judge Not Mafia for lolhammering just because he's Not Mafia? He lynched with no claim and our cop is dead now so we can't sort him with a PR

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mutant is still scum from my point of view

May I just ask, is this simply because of my own attitude towards you or do you have other reasons for scum reading me?

No no, your attitude towards me is NAI, I'm scumreading you because of meta and because of the worst dying on N1

P-edit: I'm not down for policy lynching anyone. I want real reads on him, even if it's the stretchiest read of the universe

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@Sando and @Alonzo I want to believe you're both town and I'm willing to work with both of you so hit me up and let's make them juicy content.

You want to work with two people accusing each other of being scum?

Uh, yeah? I want to townread you both, I don't care what you think about each other, I want to sort the rest.

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Ok yes yes yes Alonzo is town. @Alonzo I know you want me tu scumhunt but that's not how I role, townhunting is far more important so you can PoE the shit out of the scumteam and they can't defend themselves so no hard to read 1v1s with scum. I hard townread you and Quick for this recent interactions (Quick, love you when you tone down, your reads are essential if you're town). So both of you, let's talk:

Who are you townreading right now? This will be difficult since there are players like Not_Mafia who are unsortable; pisskop, rando and ceejay as the lurkers; Sando and MOMOMEN who are like your antagonists; and Oxy and mutant who are far off their town range.

If I had to put my hands on fire for some of these players, I would say both MOMO and Sando are town, and you're all involved in an ongoing ego fight. There are too much slots that are not being sorted; can we at least leave this case for later, maybe? Like let's sort other players and then by association and PoE we can get better reads.

Let's start with this: what do you guys think about Korina's slot?

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I agree this looks like tvt because even I don't want to read it

but you're super wrong about my town range

Yeah I know, I could be wrong about you, you're the player I'm having the most trouble to sort, I'll ISO you again and see if I can decide because you're useful as town

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Yeah I know, I could be wrong about you, you're the player I'm having the most trouble to sort, I'll ISO you again and see if I can decide because you're useful as town

Oxy is pinging me for being "reasonable but not contributing", I haven't ISOd and done a number crunch or anything, but Oxy is striking me as spending most of his time basically telling others how to play the game ("oh be nice guys") type of posts without actually contributing to the hunt in any meaningful way.

Thoughts?

I've been doing almost the same because this game became unbearable at some point so that would be NAI for me haha. It's true he has been less "gamesolvey" than in the other game I was with him, but that's exactly why I think he could be town, since in that game he tunneled hard two towns and townread my scumpartner from like what, page 2?

Glad you're trying to read someone else outside {Alonzo, Quick, MOMOMEN}. I already said it: I'm considering everyone who has been active as town, so let's get the show "townbloc boyz doing what townbloc boyz do" started! Starring:
MOMOMEN as Twist and Shout,
Alonzo as Killer Queen,
Sando as Kashmir,
Quick as Man in the Mirror,
and Oxy as Hound Dog.
Guest starring: Pin as Mister Blue Sky.

(What I'm implying is: let's start putting pressure on the rest of the list)
VOTE: ceejay

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(If you don't like the song I picked for you, do not hesitate and ask me for another one. I mean, I won't change it, but you can ask me to)

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(What I'm implying is: let's start putting pressure on the rest of the list)
VOTE: ceejay

Oh the Random/PK/CJ lurker-bloc I'd put CJ as lowest on my scumdar, why him specifically?

Not gonna lie, he was the first and only name that came into my mind, I forgot about the rest. I mean, PK has posted what, 6 times? Also you forgot Not_Mafia now that I think of it. And of course, mutant is still scum

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Wow, can't believe a single vote dragged you from the shadows, it worked guys!! Let's vote someone else:
VOTE: pisskop

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Ceejay, what song would you like to represent in the townbloc?

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No no, your attitude towards me is NAI, I'm scumreading you because of meta and because of the worst dying on N1

What about the worst's death says that I'd be scum? What do you think my motive would be for wanting him dead?

Spoiler: If your reason is the reason I think town!you would be straight onto then I may start ignoring my gut read on you.

I don't know what you are thinking and that could be easily stated ("that was not the reason I was thinking, you're scum!1!!one!"), but yeah, I think you wanted the worst dead because in Open 714 you tended to suggest we should kill the people with good reads instead of trying to get the PR dead; when we lynched A50, you said on the scum PT "I can't believe we lynched one of the strongest players, I was thinking we should kill A50 just because of how accurate his earlier reads were". I don't think the scumteam (aka you and your partners) noticed the crumbing from the worst (because I didn't noticed and I'm a good PR hunter), it was a lucky coincidence that he was a PR.

So when the worst died, I reread his ISO to check his reads, and surprise surprise, you were his suspect, and you were MY suspect on D1 since forever, so who would have known, I was right, you are scum.

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I don't want townpoints from my scumread

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I'm on board with a mutant lynch. Pin?

Lol, what do you think? Of course I am, but we are not ending this day without everybody else participating (and by everybody else I mean ceejay, pisskop and randomidget (and Not_Mafia if he feels like it?).

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i preemptively answered your question in 1762. I think he has good scum equity.

I meant something else; you asking "Pin?" like asking me if I wanted to board Mutant's wagon and me saying "what do you think" was my answer, like of course I want that wagon. Maybe it's a language problem

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VOTE: mutant

KTS picked the lynch yesterday, its my turn.

-Eddie

That's a neat trick.

They were already voting mutant so...

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Mutant saying "you're assuming I'm dictating the kill" instead of asking what other reads from the worst could be accurate enough for the scumteam deciding he was the optimal kill pings harder than ever. Of fucking course I don't know who dictates the kill, that's not the point at all. The good news is that mutant thinks he's being less suspicious and his readlist is gold to read when he flips red, so thanks!

VOTE: mutantdevle

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Lol if Not_Mafia is actually reading all of this and waiting for a lolhammer I'll actually townread him for being awsome

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OMG are you serious

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If you don't understand, you can always ask again, I'm willing to repeat myself until you get what I'm saying

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I'm tired doing a 1v1 with you tbh, I'm scumreading you, you're scumreading me, we won't get any further with this and you discrediting everything I say is exhausting

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, but we are not ending this day without everybody else participating

Also, what happened to this @pintu?

I said that your readlist was gold, so I think that's enough and all the info we will get from the lurking slots

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I'm writting, and thanks for the insult

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I scumread you because of meta ---> the worst dies ---> in 714 you tended to suggest we should kill the ones with good reads instead of people difficult to mislynch or someone we suspected it could be a PR ---> the worst was mislynchable, so I think he could had good early reads (note to the word EARLY please) ---> I'm a good PR hunter (and OF COURSE you want to PR hunt when town so you don't push too hard a PR to avoid a claim) and I didn't catch the worst' crumbs (I still think his crumbing was not even intended) ---> conclusion: the worst was killed because of his reads, and he was scumreading mutant almost all the day (even if he suspected you less at the end, Iconeum's flip could turn that again).

So, added to MY OWN SCUMREAD on you, the worst's dead could mean you are effectively scum, BUT THIS CASE IS NOT ONLY BASED ON FUCKING NIGHT KILL ANALYSIS.

The point is not that you dictated the kill, but that the worst was dangerous for scum for a different reason of being a PR, period.

Also, you said "your reason here is close to what I was thinking, but not quite right" and then said that "the reason is the one I dismissed", inconsistency. If I dismissed it, then my reason wasn't close at all.

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Mutant this post is clear as water, if you don't agree, no problem, I could be wrong and I assume that, but please don't ask as if there's no logic behind it and start asking 10 questions at the same time

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, but we are not ending this day without everybody else participating

Also, what happened to this @pintu?

I said that your readlist was gold, so I think that's enough and all the info we will get from the lurking slots

So when you said you wanted to hear from the lurkers before we end the day you meant you only wanted random to make a single 0 content post? Cool.

Yes mutant, that's exactly what I meant, brilliant. 10 points for Gryffindor

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@mutant I already said you don't have to answer me because we are scumreading each other, so go for it, make a case on ceejay. Even better!

VOTE: ceejay

Let's work together, make my day

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This is sort of weird. We're voting on town bloc boys ;P

Ok let's go

VOTE: Ceejay

(I never gave Ceejay a song, actually)

(and I think Ceejay is mutant's partner and he's trying to distance so if he gets lynched (he will), ceejay will be less suspicious. ceejay voted for mutant on D1 when there were 5 votes on him and the other 4 votes were coming from imo, so that could be distancing too, but don't tell mutant my plan!!)

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"You are not authorised to read this forum".

[pinturicchio]

Let's do it then, vote ceejay!!!

[pinturicchio]

How convenient

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Not quoting your big ass post, just two things:

"If the worst was dangerous to the scum team, then that would mean he scum read other's on the scum team. If you genuinly believe this, why aren't you bringing up anyone that could be my scum partner that the worst also scum read?"
This is exactly what I was talking about: I thought it was weird you started pointing out that "why would I direct the kill" instead of asking this if you're already scumreading me. Too late.

"But you dismissed the idea that I would have spotted the soft claim because apparently you are the best PR hunter in the world and if you didn't spot it then no one could."
Mutant used shading. It's not very effective. I said I'm a good PR hunter, what's wrong with being confident on that? And I said that I believe that what Oxy pointed out was not intended as crumb.

Strike three on your awful tone towards me. Goodnight

[pinturicchio]

Hostile tone, yes. I don't have to put up with it, so address me when you get some sleep and food, you grumpy devil

[pinturicchio]

I'd rather lynch mutant instead of a lurker, that's basically gambiting. Except Ceejay, he seems scum without the need of his participation

[pinturicchio]

Aight I'll try to be here more.

Lurking isn't scum indicative, I'll be very hesitant in lynching there.

@Pintuchurrio you got a case on me?

Read the thread

[pinturicchio]

Aight I'll try to be here more.

Lurking isn't scum indicative, I'll be very hesitant in lynching there.

@Pintuchurrio you got a case on me?

Read the thread

Its not blatant Pint, You re read as if the majority of the game you scumread Mutant.

You just pick Ceejay out of the quieter slots and say lets start here.

What gives him the added scum equity?

I voted Ceejay again because mutant wants to make a case on him and vote him, and I think that there could be some bussing intentions there. On D1 there was a L-2 wagon on mutant, and the vote that pinged me was Ceejay's.

The "let's start here" was earlier on this day, not my last point on him, that's why I told him to read the thread.

But no, this is not a strong case, I think it would be hilarious if I'm right about this and making mutant lynch his partner and then lynch him, nothing else.

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@pin I'm with you on getting information, but the more I think about the case on mutant, the more I think we could be wrong.

I'm kind of liking the randomidget lynch today.

I disagree, but sure, you do you

[pinturicchio]

CJ is a good vote, yes. Vote CJ, you won't regret!

[pinturicchio]

CJ is obv!scum people. He has no substantial reads. I read his ISO after him saying "wagon Pintu when I flip town" 'cause I had the feeling that he never scumlean or read me, so that inconsistency was weird... And his ISO is hilariously scummy. Two inconsistencies right off the bat:
- he was townleaning mutant, but then voted for him without any explanations when his wagon formed and said "let me lurk in peace"
- he has no reads on me, but now that I'm pushing his wagon, he goes with the classic LAMIST post "wagon this guy when I flip green"

CJ is scum, let's go

[pinturicchio]

I'm with Quick here, CJ must die. Where my townbloc at!?

[pinturicchio]

MOMOMEN as Twist and Shout,
Alonzo as Killer Queen,
Sando as Kashmir,
Quick as Man in the Mirror,
and Oxy as Hound Dog.
Guest starring: Pin as Mister Blue Sky.

We're enough to get this lynch going! I know we've been having our differences, but is time to assemble and cooperate with each other! We are the only hope of our nation, the heroes of today and tomorrow!

[pinturicchio]

Oh, great, you guys are fighting again instead of voting ceejay. No, cool, great, really.

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Was this publicly established in day 2 or is Oxy claiming scum

I still believe that was not a softclaim and that Oxy is wrong in that. Ex post analysis (knowing that the worst was a PR) makes him believe that that post was a softclaim, but it's a stretch

[pinturicchio]

jjh, which song would you identify yourself?

[pinturicchio]

jjh, which song would you identify yourself?

??? Are you asking me to pick a song to describe myself?

Yes, sorry if the wording was weird. You'll understand this question when you fully catch up

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Mate, I tried to throw shade on the worst during D1 because of that post. Don't try to tell me I only think it's a soft claim in retrospect, lol

You can think I'm wrong, that's fine. Don't misrep me tho

Really? Where?

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Ya. Noticed it when reading his iso

Mate, I tried to throw shade on the worst during D1 because of that post. Don't try to tell me I only think it's a soft claim in retrospect, lol

You can think I'm wrong, that's fine. Don't misrep me tho

I don't get it. You said you noticed it when reading his iso, but now you're saying you noticed right off the bat and you threw shade on the worst because of that post. Please elaborate

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Okay I ctrl Fed song in your iso, pintu, so I know what you're on about

Gimme Mr Brightside, it works if we're doing these like nicknames and the song's a classic.


Still don't think you're town at this point in the game, mind. If this is you placing me as town, how come you've done it so fast? I don't think we've played together so you shouldn't know my meta

Oh no no, I asked CJ for his song and I'm scumreading him. I want to know for whenever I decide you're townie enough. But of course, I think you're on good track

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I don't get it. You said you noticed it when reading his iso, but now you're saying you noticed right off the bat and you threw shade on the worst because of that post. Please elaborate

No. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I didn't pick up on it in the moment.

I did go through the worst's ISO prior to calling him caught scum. I can't remember if there was a specific reason I was looking at his ISO, or if I was just reading different people, or what, but I noticed it because I didn't understand what it was in reference to, and I had to click back to the thread to see. It was an odd response to any of the recent posts, and the capitalization and use of the word know... I realized it was a soft.

So then that opportunity arose, and I called him lock!scum, and I didn't push for his lynch really at all. Maybe scum would figure they had a lock vote on him D2, and if they hadn't caught the soft...

p.edit the strat is good because it didn't cost anything, and it had a potential pay off. Are you insinuating that you now have to scum read more making that play, and THAT is why it is a bad play? Because that logic is quite circular.

Stop saying I'm misunderstanding you, I asked you to elaborate because I didn't understand, that's all. Thank you for the explanation, it was all I was expecting

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Uh, in my experience people don't PR hunt for shit and scum tend to target widely townread people or those with coherent viewpoints that keep the town from turning into poop.

Well Duckling was at best 3rd most TR'd person, you still say it's not a soft claim, leaving the idea that duckling was coherent with his reads and keeping town from turning to poop.

So we should look into his reads more for scum, yes?

I said this when I was discussing mutant, and I still agree

[pinturicchio]

I think you wanted the worst dead because in Open 714 you tended to suggest we should kill the people with good reads instead of trying to get the PR dead; when we lynched A50, you said on the scum PT "I can't believe we lynched one of the strongest players, I was thinking we should kill A50 just because of how accurate his earlier reads were". I don't think the scumteam (aka you and your partners) noticed the crumbing from the worst (because I didn't noticed and I'm a good PR hunter), it was a lucky coincidence that he was a PR.

So when the worst died, I reread his ISO to check his reads, and surprise surprise, you were his suspect, and you were MY suspect on D1 since forever, so who would have known, I was right, you are scum.

@Sando ...

[pinturicchio]

farts.

I think he's town.

He unvoted me two posts later, and said this two posts later that unvote. I think he voted me because he thought I was trying to AtE but quickly realized that was not the case

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Obviously, you might not agree with every point I've made against Pintu. But even if that's to the extent where you don't somehow see his actions as scummy then surely you acknowledge he's not exactly the most valuable player?


So we have a player who has a high likelihood of being scum and not much to lose if we're wrong. Sounds good to me.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

Dude you are tunneling so hard that you even said my name instead of CJ
Your case is so good it seems that you KNOW he's scum!! Nah just kidding, that was really great, mutant.

[pinturicchio]

Uh

[pinturicchio]

MOMO stop disrupting our beloved townbloc, vote CJ and you can go do whatever you wanna do

[pinturicchio]

Yay

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He's already dead, fitz

[pinturicchio]

BTW, NM hammered without a claim and that is bad.

He already did that in this same game, what were you expecting

[pinturicchio]

Mr. blue sky, please tell us why, you had to

hide

away for so long (so long!)

[pinturicchio]

Want to here something funny? Scum thought I was the vig because they jailkept me on N1 and only the worst died. Wanna know why I know I was jailkept? I hid behind the worst scum saved my life on N1 and tried to kill me on N2! But I'm a smarty pants and knew they were trying to do that; that's why I scumread everyone who was trying to push me on D2 'cause they were looking for my claim... aka mutant.

Btw, I hid behind Oxy, so start following him and me on this game, please?

VOTE: mutantdevle

[pinturicchio]

It's a worthless crumb if he didn't state any targets

See above

[pinturicchio]

You're supposed to crumb hider targets, not results

Didn't want to do that since I knew scum thought I was the vig so I wanted to play as "frustrated vig who couldn't get his kill done and probably dead on N2".

Oh and by the way, scum probably knows who the real vig is now since no one died today, so they must've jailkept him/her

[pinturicchio]

Agreed. CJ was playing shit, but mutant and probably Not_Mafia are scum on that wagon

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Oh and by the way, scum probably knows who the real vig is now since no one died today, so they must've jailkept him/her

Or they chose tracker.

Oooooh I forgot that decision could be made! Yeah that's much more likely, duh.

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Ugh, Pin, now I feel an additional responsibility to play this game well, and I'm not too confident in my reads these days.

I'll go back and read mutant's iso tomorrow with a fresh eye, and see where that takes me.

p.edit last pr is tracker, almost certainly, no?

Sorry pal, I knew I was the N2 target and you were my biggest townread.

[pinturicchio]

Heeeeey having a tracker it's great now!! He/she should be on me the next nights, so if I die he can confirm who is the scum I hid behind! This will be a fun fun game for me

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I mean, scum will probably jailkeep me, but that leaves an IC alive for a looooong time

[pinturicchio]

If we lynch a goon they should be anywhere else

Yeah sorry I'm just thinking out loud

[pinturicchio]

Mr. blue sky, please tell us why, you had to

hide

away for so long (so long!)

For the record, I'm so glad I lived long enough to post this

[pinturicchio]

I like the {NM, mutant, Alonzo} team, but I'm more convinced on {NM, mutant}, lynch should be between them.

[pinturicchio]

I'm starting to think Not_Mafia is not mafia

[pinturicchio]

Well, I got a better idea: I could target Not_Mafia today; if he's town, scum will shoot him and both him and me will die, but that would be good since Not_Mafia being alive is bad for town. If he's scum, I'll die and he won't (or scum will jailkeep me) so he will be conf!scum in one case and in the other case scum either he is scum or scumteam jailkept me to make us believe he's scum (this would be the worst case scenario, but I would live another day as conf!town)

[pinturicchio]

I'm starting to think Not_Mafia is not mafia

can you tell people to stop being daft and lynch mutant?

Hey people stop being daft and lynch mutant!

[pinturicchio]

And also just engineered for you to survive a bit longer

what's bad about this?

You'd understand if you knew Pint's main

Ummm what you talking about? I have no alts, this is my only account. Who do you think I am?

[pinturicchio]

Oxy, Pintu, you cool with a Mutant hammer now? Sando can do the honors with NM.

Absolutely

[pinturicchio]

oh i think he means your old avi, in which case it was quite the clever joke

If that's what he meant, I really don't want to lynch Not_Mafia ever

[pinturicchio]

No matter who is lynched today, can we lynch Quick tomorrow?

[pinturicchio]

No matter who is lynched today, can we lynch Quick tomorrow?

no

What if we 100% gamesolve and have a mislynch in hand, can we do it then? Pretty please?

Yeah please Mr. Oxy

[pinturicchio]

@mutant why do you think the scumteam would jail you?

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

[pinturicchio]

Hey @mutant another thing, what do you think about jjh and momomen being on your wagon? 'Cause they know that Not_Mafia would lolhammer you and scum would want that situation since they knew you were the tracker, right?

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Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

I've already told the tracker not to CC, but feel free to articulate why it's best to get a CC right now.

Where?

I think the CC would be optimal now because if mutant is indeed scum, the scumteam should have bussed him long time ago. I've been thinking he's the jailkeeper since forever

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@mutant why do you think the scumteam would jail you?

Before changing to any wagon, can we wait to see if someone counterclaims? I still don't believe mutant

Is it even a question of waiting for a CC?

People started voting Alonzo like there's no tomorrow. Why are you so insufferable?

[pinturicchio]

Yeah I think Oxy is right: if we mislynch today and scum kills town and I hide behind that town or behind scum, tadah, LyLo. Even if I don't die we will be on MyLo, so not CCing today is a bad idea.

Can everyone in his/her next post say "I'm not CCing" or something cool to say you're CCing? Like my cool claim with my cool crumbing?

I'm not CCing (lol)

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I don't know if it's been said, but I'm a VT, so no worries about a wasted confirmed

I actually didn't know and I'm so relieved, if you were the tracker this game would have been much more complicated

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jjh, which song would you identify yourself?

Welcome to my townbloc, I knew you were townie enough to give you my special invitation

[pinturicchio]

I switched off of NM after realising that confscum was voting NM meaning he isn't jailkeeper

That's what I'm telling you. Mutant should be dead already, bussed by his partners. They don't want him dead. He got to claim tracker, why would he as a goon instead of giving that to the jailkeeper? Seems like a waste of claim to me

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Ok I solved it! @scumteam, I'm hiding behind Quick tonight, you can shoot him tonight and you will get two towns by the price of one!

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I wouldn't hide behind quick. 2/3 he's town just on the track N1

I know, but at this point I want him policylynched but that's gamethrowing, so "policy nightkilled" is fine

[pinturicchio]

@Mod, Does Hider go before JK like is should according to NAR?

Natural Action Resolution in conjunction with this setup's role PMs indicate that, if a Jailkeeper jailed a Hider, the Jailkeeper would be applied first.

NAR's list only applies in case of emergency breakdown of NAR's guidelines.

If that's the case, then it's not NAR since NAR has clear guidelines.

Natural Action Resolution's Golden Rule is that actions that modify other actions are applied prior to the actions that are modified.
No Quick, he doesn't die. If JK jailkeeps Hider, Hider doesn't go anywhere, it's pretty clear. It's clearer too when I didn't die when I hid behind the worst on N1.
As this setup's Hide action only has the effect of protecting itself from nightkills, it has no impact on the Jailkeeper's ability to block actions.

NAR's list only applies in case of emergency breakdown of NAR's guidelines, which has not happened.

I am getting confused here so let me just be direct:

If hider hides behind a Town member who is targeted for NK and the hider is JKed, does hider die?

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Wait, where's the thing I wrote? Lol

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Oh I fucked up the quote, but it's there: No Quick, he doesn't die. If JK jailkeeps Hider, Hider doesn't go anywhere, it's pretty clear. It's clearer too when I didn't die when I hid behind the worst on N1.

[pinturicchio]

if it was anything, that was a town slip from quick

Pretty easy fakeable townslip if you ask me

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Ok Sando I know what you're thinking, get the tracker one last night to see if he catches the scum performing the kill or the jailkeep, but the tracker will certainly be jailkept anyway, so you want me to go behind Not_Mafia and see if I die alone or let the scum kill as both. Sorry, I think it's a bad idea, it involves a lot of WIFOM and WIFOM is bad for town. Play it simple: lynch the counterclaimed tracker, and if get it wrong, we lynch the other, then by PoE solve the game. Also, I'm not hiding behind Not_Mafia, or at least I don't know who I'm hiding behind tonight and I'm not going to tell it out loud, that's an awful idea lol

[pinturicchio]

Also if you're so worried about Not_Mafia, then advocate for lynching him today instead of risking the hider

[pinturicchio]

People who will never be lynched: pinturicchio, Oxy
People I'm not willing to lynch today: jjh927, Quick, Sando, MOMOMEN
Miltank: Not_Mafia
Lynchable: havingfitz, Alonzo
Lynch him now: mutantdevle

This is where I'm at right now; I was doubting MOMOMEN, but by VCA it's pretty clear he's town (he was voting mutant on D1 when the wagon was formed so bussing so early game is an awful strategy coming from scum). BUT!! That would mean that, if Not_Mafia is town, every single player who was on Iconeum's wagon was town (assuming town!Sando), and that's highly unlikely if Iconeum was the counterwagon for scum!mutant.

About Not_Mafia: mutant tends to vote for his partners in a way to separate himself from the others. On D2, mutant was voting Not_Mafia and never voted me because he was waiting to a wagon get formed on me before voting for me since he "knew" I was the "vig". Not_Mafia could be scum because of this AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE GOT ON HIM THAT IS NOT SHIT ("but he lolhammered both town without claims!", said someone who clearly not knows how Not_Mafia works).

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Ok Sando I know what you're thinking, get the tracker one last night to see if he catches the scum performing the kill or the jailkeep, but the tracker will certainly be jailkept anyway, so you want me to go behind Not_Mafia and see if I die alone or let the scum kill as both. Sorry, I think it's a bad idea, it involves a lot of WIFOM and WIFOM is bad for town.

Where's the WIFOM?

NM is a mislynch target as town, getting scum to shoot him makes towns job a lot easier.
NM as scum gets found by you hiding, making towns job a whole lot easier.
Only way to stop one of the above happening is to jail you and not the tracker, making towns job a whole lot easier.
Only way to stop one of the above happening and town getting another track result is to jail you and solve our tracker problem, making towns job a whole lot easier.

There is literally no downside to lynching outside the trackers that I can see.

If we mislynch today, they jailkeep me and kill outside the trackers. We're in MyLo, and scum!faketracker says "I saw town!tracker make the kill" and town!tracker says "I saw scum!faketracker make the kill" or "this guy who could be scum didn't make the kill", since scum will make the faketracker make the kill. WE WILL NOT GET ANOTHER TRACKER RESULT, I REPEAT, WE WILL NOT GET ANOTHER TRACKER RESULT

[pinturicchio]

So the only chance we get something is assuming Not_Mafia is the jailer?? Sorry that's too stretched compared to lynch a CCed scum.

[pinturicchio]

Also, same thing I said before: scum!faketracker says "Not_Mafia is the jailkeeper" and we mislynch NM and lose. Or how do we decide which tracker claims first? 'Cause fake tracker will say the same as the tracker

[pinturicchio]

Why the fuck would be knowing NM not being the jailer a valuable info if we are on MyLo tomorrow

[pinturicchio]

I'll start scumreading anyone who votes outside {mutant, jjh} from now on, and scumlean whoever votes jjh from now on. Sando and fitz, my eyes on both of you. Vote mutant, finish this day and stop the nonsense

[pinturicchio]

If you people need another reason to lynch mutant over jjh today... If mutant was a PR, he would've left a crumb, no matter how little, he likes doing them. As a scum PR in Tit for Tat, he talked about leaving a crumb only for the scumteam to understand and we discussed it for a while, trying to make the perfect crumb that nobody but us (his partners) noticed it; that means that not only he's familiar with the concept of crumbing, he advocates for it. In another game we were together (Open 2000: Be Someone Else) he crumbed his role multiple times and really early on the game. In conclusion: he likes doing crumbs, he feels good doing them because it feels good to do a good crumb that helps you confirm your role when nobody expected it; I know this, because I feel the same way.

Now, mutant claimed without posting any crumbs. I'm not going to check mutant's ISO again, but I wouldn't be surprised if you find a crumb on D2 implying he was the vig to back up an eventual fakeclaim where he has to 1v1 me, who the scumteam thought was the vig.

Come on fellas, I'll give a free invitation to my townbloc to whoever gives L-1 and L-0 to mutant right now

[pinturicchio]

I mean, y'all realise that lynching either of us is as good as straight up lynching the tracker right?

I realize that doing what you want is doing what the scumteam would want so yeah, you got the tracker out, good job, and good night

[pinturicchio]

@ Mutant

Give us a list?

I think the main reason for most of these changes is loss of confidence or lack of development.

Town:

Sando <-- this is feeling pretty locked tbh.

-0

Town Lean:

Oxy

v1

Quick

-0

Alonso

-0

Null:

Not_Mafia

-0

randommidget

-0

Scum Lean:

MOMOMEN

v1

pisskop

^1

Scum:

Ceejay

v1

Pintu

-0

If you disagree with my reads (as people naturally will and should do), question them; don't shit on them.

Also remember that this is gold. Saaaaaaandoooooooooooooo

[pinturicchio]

@pinturicchio
I haven't had terribly much success with this stuff recently, but could you take another look at 2677 - 2679 and make sure that I'm nuts?

Consider the time stamps of the posts I referenced in 2677. My gut is telling me that JJ is the scum, but I need a sanity check.

Not doing an obvious counterclaim so he stays alive for tomorrow and then do the counterclaim?

I mean, why the fuck would jjh counterclaim if that would confscum him after we lynch mutant. They would kill mutant on N3 anyway, why lose a scum that was being townread by many?

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Now, mutant claimed without posting any crumbs. I'm not going to check mutant's ISO again, but I wouldn't be surprised if you find a crumb on D2 implying he was the vig to back up an eventual fakeclaim where he has to 1v1 me, who the scumteam thought was the vig.

The fuck is this point? You've basically just said "he didn't do a thing and that makes him scummy, but even if he did do that thing, he's scummy anyway, because I'm biased as shit".

Like Jesus Pintu calm yourself down there. You want me lynched. We get it. You reaching and pulling up every 'scummy' point about me you can physically manifest won't give you your misslynch any faster.



And if you are genuinely interested in my crumb policy for future games, then just know I usually only crumb when it has a purpose. Such as conveying secret information to my mafia team. My only exception to this thus far is be someone else mafia where I wanted to make as many sheep puns as possible because I felt like it but then gave up after like 3 or something. You can even go ask NSG about that if you want to. I had no reason to crumb as tracker this game as I had no decent results.

Keep replying in a shitty manner, you're doing it wonderful sweetie.

I said that you probably crumbed vig since you, as scum, thought I was the vig (that's confirmed by the way, scum tried to kill me because their jailkeep was "succesful") since you like crumbing. I don't give a flying fuck about your "crumb policy", I just said that you PROBABLY (look at that word on a dictionary if you want to) would crumb if you were in fact a PR, but you have no sustain on your claim and that makes me feel you're suspicious. Mutant, you have to tell the difference between being biased and giving good arguments, you know? I thought (and I said) that your case on ceejay was good, and that made me believe for an instance that you were town. Ceejay flipped VT and you claimed tracker, and someone counterclaimed you. You're basically obv!town from my point of view, and that's not being biased. If by any chance you go to another game as scum, I recommend you not going bananas to someone who is logically pushing you with the easiest argument ever: "you're biased on me". You're intelligent, you should understand my push on you since forever, but since you decided to make me your antagonist and failed horribly, now you have to pay the consequences and flip red. Night night, not losing more time with you in this game!

[pinturicchio]

Vote counter not working atm. Someone tell me if I can vote for mutant or not.

It hasn't worked for this game since forever. But yeah, you can vote mutant

[pinturicchio]

Now, mutant claimed without posting any crumbs. I'm not going to check mutant's ISO again, but I wouldn't be surprised if you find a crumb on D2 implying he was the vig to back up an eventual fakeclaim where he has to 1v1 me, who the scumteam thought was the vig.

The fuck is this point? You've basically just said "he didn't do a thing and that makes him scummy, but even if he did do that thing, he's scummy anyway, because I'm biased as shit".

Like Jesus Pintu calm yourself down there. You want me lynched. We get it. You reaching and pulling up every 'scummy' point about me you can physically manifest won't give you your misslynch any faster.



And if you are genuinely interested in my crumb policy for future games, then just know I usually only crumb when it has a purpose. Such as conveying secret information to my mafia team. My only exception to this thus far is be someone else mafia where I wanted to make as many sheep puns as possible because I felt like it but then gave up after like 3 or something. You can even go ask NSG about that if you want to. I had no reason to crumb as tracker this game as I had no decent results.

Keep replying in a shitty manner, you're doing it wonderful sweetie.

I said that you probably crumbed vig since you, as scum, thought I was the vig (that's confirmed by the way, scum tried to kill me because their jailkeep was "succesful") since you like crumbing. I don't give a flying fuck about your "crumb policy", I just said that you PROBABLY (look at that word on a dictionary if you want to) would crumb if you were in fact a PR, but you have no sustain on your claim and that makes me feel you're suspicious. Mutant, you have to tell the difference between being biased and giving good arguments, you know? I thought (and I said) that your case on ceejay was good, and that made me believe for an instance that you were town. Ceejay flipped VT and you claimed tracker, and someone counterclaimed you. You're basically obv!town from my point of view, and that's not being biased. If by any chance you go to another game as scum, I recommend you not going bananas to someone who is logically pushing you with the easiest argument ever: "you're biased on me". You're intelligent, you should understand my push on you since forever, but since you decided to make me your antagonist and failed horribly, now you have to pay the consequences and flip red. Night night, not losing more time with you in this game!

EBWOP obv!scum lol "obv!town" that's the funniest shit I've ever said this game

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@Quick I'm not trying to solve anything lol I really want mutant dead, that will help us solve this game tomorrow. Pls vote mutant thx

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FOR FUCKS SAKE HOW LONG THAT LYNCH HAD TO TAKE???? I'm hiding wherever I want, not telling where I'll be, discard Oxy since he's conf!town and being him and me being killed would be atrocious since this town is fucking terrible, look how much that lynch took, I don't even care if it's a mislynch, it was the right call.

If mutant flips Jailkeeper, I'll hide wherever behind Not_Mafia. Scum will kill the tracker and if I die, NM is scum, period. If NM is town and we both die, tracker should follow his heart.
If mutant flips scum, I'll be jailkept so it doesn't matter and I'm not telling who I'm going to hide to not get a false inno
If mutant flips town same as above.

Goodnight

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Sorry I was angry at the first sentence, just read the other three statements.

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Wow mutant was scum?

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Btw, I hid behind jjh just to be saved once more by my favorite scumteam

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Btw, I hid behind jjh just to be saved once more by my favorite scumteam

I'm super confused

Why? If the jailkeeper jailkeeps me, my action Is not made.

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VOTE: Alonzo

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Shame you didnt hide here Heisenburg

How much times do I have to repeat myself? I will be jailkept until the jailkeeper dies, it doesn't matter where I hide

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I'll unvote for now, I want some JUICY ASSOCIATIONS BOIIIIIS

UNVOTE: Alonzo

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Alonzo - no change

Can you explain why you town lean Alonzo despite him posting essentially entirely shitposts? I can hazard a guess at your reasoning but I want to see if that's what you see.

I would put this a lot higher, but you do you.

Hmm, could you explain why you'd town read him (Korina)? I currently have him as a slight scum lean but I don't see him any higher than a null tbh.

I'll ISO him again when I post my reads list but from my own recollection I don't see him as town (though maybe I'm thinking too much about the RVS?).

I see a lot of evidence on a Korina/mutant scumteam, but both of these pings me coming from scum!mutant.

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VOTE: the worst
You're not the worst, I am, therefore, you're a liar, and we should lynch all liars.

VOTE: the worst
You're not the worst, I am, therefore, you're a liar, and we should lynch all liars.

Definately agree

Korina saying he was "the worst" could mean he was the jailkeeper, and Alonzo agreeing would be following the "joke".

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Yeah it must be havingfitz and Alonzo. Oxy and I conf!town, I strongly townread MOMOMEN and Not_Mafia, Quick is town too... And between Sando, Alonzo and havingfitz, I would bet my ass on Alonzo and fitz.

Can we lynch fitz first to see if I'm right on him being the jailkeeper pretty please? Give this to me, I scumlocked mutant since the begining!

VOTE: havingfitz

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fitz doesnt bus friends

Well for me the lynchpool is {fitz, Alonzo, Sando, Not_Mafia} in that order. If we mislynch today, tomorrow is MyLo/LyLo depending to if I live another night or not. So if fitz doesn't come in and town it a little more, he's definetely the lynch today. At this point not being townie enough is being anti town. I scumread both of the replaced out players on that slot, and fitz has nothing that I could read as town. "fitz doesnt bus friends" seems a little too definitive, don't you think? Maybe this is the first game for him doing it? Or maybe he voted Alonzo to make mutant live and get some towncred too? I mean, Alonzo was the counterwagon for mutant yesterday, coming from Sando and fitz, so one of those has to be scum, right?

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if Alonzo flips scum Fitz is confirmed town and you NEVER vote him this game. his Alonzo vote yesterday never comes from partner fitz.

thoughts on this @sando @pintu @quick

I've seen people go from "I don't bus" to "I didn't know they were traitor" to "OK, I will bus because it is optimal" so I am not sold on that.

I agree with this. Quick, what do you think we should do?

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Pintu NM is strong town why?

Mathdino gave us a really good hint on how to read NM on another game we just finished. In that game, NM was scum. Look at NM's iso: he got to almost the same conclusions we're making right now.

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No one can tell me why they TR momo.

I think I did. By interactions, Fumuki and mutant are probably not scum together since the first discussion they had on early D1 would've been very difficult to fake. Fumuki seemed to be the first target from scum to mislynch now that we know that mutant is scum.

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Am I the only one that thinks Fumuki scum claiming so excessively is actually WIFOMily scummy?

Here's a list of the people who claimed scum just for reference I guess:

Fumuki
the worst
Quick
Korina

Fumuki and Korina made multiple posts about it whereas the worst and Quick only made 1 comment on it each. I've always felt that scum are more likely to claim scum for WIFOM points so it will be interesting how many scum are in this list.

There is probably a limit on how anti-town a member of town can play before it's simply +ev to lynch them and end the distractions.

This is what I'm kinda thinking, but on the other hand, I feel like scum are going to try and push them for an easy lynch. I guess it's up to the tracker-vig to decide whether they want the responsibility of handling policy kills. If there is only 1 kill tonight, then I guess it's our job to handle Fumuki tomorrow. If we are going to policy lynch him, it should be day 2. If we let him live after that, then we have to accept that he'll be a LYLO liability. So for now, I don't care for sorting him (unless he actually starts game solving rather than joking with every post).

I don't have that much time but look at this two posts. In one he throws shade to four players but he actually kept pushing only one. He talks about vig shooting Fumuki (oh one more reason to know that he was lying about being the tracker) or policy lynching him on D2 when we have Not_Mafia in the same game... He was being too reachy with his "we have to solve Fumuki" and suggesting a vig kill on him when there's a big chance that the big would actually kill him seems like mutant was trying to rail the first mislynch/vig kill. This also made me suspect Korina (fitz' slot) since mutant pushed only Fumuki for basically the same things Korina was doing at that time, so it looks like he just made that statement to separate himself from Korina.

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@pin so you're def on fitz, not alonzo for today?

I think I'd rather the alonzo lynch today. both momo and jj liked him for scum

My problem with lynching Alonzo is the following:
You and me are conftown; my strongest townreads are MOMOMEN and Quick, with Not_Mafia as the next possible town; fitz is by PoE, interactions and general effort to solve the game my most scumread; and then it's Alonzo vs Sando. The order wouldn't matter if I'm right: we lynch Alonzo, and no matter if he's town or scum, we still win since then we lynch fitz and Sando if Alonzo flips town. Problem is, I could be wrong about Not_Mafia, for example, and that could be horrible for us since lynching town today would mean you'll be dead tomorrow and paranoia could hit like a truck (especially with Quick scumreading MOMO, for example).

I mean it's probably Alonzo and fitz, yeah, but Alonzo has managed to build a 1v1 with Sando that makes me paranoid, since it could perfectly go the other way around (Sando started to defend the idea of not lynching mutant and fitz followed him, so yeah, scum should be into these three players)

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@Oxy are you here? Actually I'm happy with an Alonzo lynch right now, that should solve the game for us tomorrow. Vote him and I'll hammer, I want to get a hammer this game too.

Also this will be my gambit: I'll hide behind Not_Mafia. If I don't die and the jailkeeper's alive, it doesn't mean anything. If we both die, game should be solved by PoE (good luck making Sando, MOMOMEN and Quick work together, Oxy)

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Hey you're here indeed, and we came to the same conclusion. I still believe fitz is the jailkeeper but let's do this

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Nooooooo I lost my chance to hammer!!

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If alonzo flips red, lynch fitz -> nm ->sando
if alonzo flips green, lynch fitz -> sando/nm -> the last of sando/nm

that's the best compromise I can give you. Given a green flip, I think I'm as confident of town!sando as I am of town!nm

but I'm not jumping you above momo/quick in my town reads

Yeah if I die tonight I see exactly the same order. I'll go further and solve the problem of town!Alonzo and say fitz -> sando.

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Yeah if I die tonight I see exactly the same order. I'll go further and solve the problem of town!Alonzo and say fitz -> sando.

You're either alive at the end or you're solving the NM vs Sando debate anyway.

I still think we should lynch Quick for the lolz

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If alonzo flips red, lynch fitz -> nm ->sando
if alonzo flips green, lynch fitz -> sando/nm -> the last of sando/nm

that's the best compromise I can give you. Given a green flip, I think I'm as confident of town!sando as I am of town!nm

but I'm not jumping you above momo/quick in my town reads

Yeah if I die tonight I see exactly the same order. I'll go further and solve the problem of town!Alonzo and say fitz -> sando.

Why Did I need to Die for you all to make that read?

Either you're not reading the thread or I simply don't understand what you're asking here.

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Well..

Love Him or Hate him, seeing someone called the Product of Incest or whatever that quip was. Literally The shittest Moment of all the games of Mafia I'v ever played.

I would say it went way too far In this one, Dunno If the Mod should have made a point earlier or what. But this game was Awful at times.

What you talkin bout Willis?

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Yeah but where's the specific post where he said that, I think I never saw it (sorry don't make me ISO him)

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ICs, can one of you demand Quick sheeps you tomorrow and just promise to look into me? I don't want to get quickvoted in Lylo by the village's inbred cousin who lives a few miles out of town but is still technically in the county.

Oh.

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MOMO literally hasto flip red here to justify most of his shit.

From my POV if you flip green then it's pretty likely to be Quick+NM+Sando+maybePintu in the endgame, and as town it's really frustrating to know that in that situation Quick would gamethrow by lynching me. I imagine Momo feels the exact same way just substitute Sando for Momo there.

maybePintu? Dude either you're implying I'm not the hider and the "real hider" is the worst player of this site, or you're really high right now.

Also if I was scum I think I would have conf!towned a partner so in that case you should suspect Oxy with me.

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Oooooh hahahahaha thank you Oxy you're the best translator

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3YkRVBy6mg

This U lot =)

Anyways GG guys and Gals.

I was Victoria, right?

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I hate y'all