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You see, I've been through the desert on a horse with no name and it was great, it felt really good to be out of the rain and there ain't no one for to give you no pain, but after some days that horse abandoned me and left me stranded, so I have an awful memory of that horse with no name.
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'Cause you remember me that bloody horse-
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@UglyDuck I'm eager to know about this too, it's by far the less random thing I've read on the thread, along with the Espeonage vote on the worst and visceversaIn post 103, skitter30 wrote: -> uglyduck responds to what I said about him, and says he thinks I'm behaving differently from last game, and votes me (I still want him to describe how I'm being different)-
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This is giving me the worst paranoia I've ever experienced in my entire lifeIn post 63, UglyDuck wrote:
Oh cmon how are you not gonna make your lynch pool me Draynth and NM given the player in the game?In post 38, AP wrote:Current lynch pool: Espeonage/UglyDuck/pinturicchio/Draynth
Reason: LAL (Lynch all LURKERS)
It's been more than 2 hours (two and a half even) and they still haven't posted. (One thing I've learnt from Dr Evil is..
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The upside to that is that there are like four other players (including me) in that last game too, so you giving a solid meta read on skitter could help us to sort her out. I mean, I've been reading skitter's posts so far with special attention and I can't see that much difference between here and the last two games I've played with her.In post 106, UglyDuck wrote:In post 105, pinturicchio wrote:
@UglyDuck I'm eager to know about this too, it's by far the less random thing I've read on the thread, along with the Espeonage vote on the worst and visceversaIn post 103, skitter30 wrote: -> uglyduck responds to what I said about him, and says he thinks I'm behaving differently from last game, and votes me (I still want him to describe how I'm being different)
Yeah I absolutely am not going to give details on how I think Skitter is behaving differently at this point. I see no upside to that.
In regard to the point of me asking the question - I just wanted to see who seemed eager to answer.
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@UglyDuck I think you missed thisIn post 118, pinturicchio wrote:
The upside to that is that there are like four other players (including me) in that last game too, so you giving a solid meta read on skitter could help us to sort her out. I mean, I've been reading skitter's posts so far with special attention and I can't see that much difference between here and the last two games I've played with her.In post 106, UglyDuck wrote:In post 105, pinturicchio wrote:
@UglyDuck I'm eager to know about this too, it's by far the less random thing I've read on the thread, along with the Espeonage vote on the worst and visceversaIn post 103, skitter30 wrote: -> uglyduck responds to what I said about him, and says he thinks I'm behaving differently from last game, and votes me (I still want him to describe how I'm being different)
Yeah I absolutely am not going to give details on how I think Skitter is behaving differently at this point. I see no upside to that.
In regard to the point of me asking the question - I just wanted to see who seemed eager to answer.
I think you're town here! This would be the first time I don't scumread you right from the start of the game lol-
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In post 189, ManWithNoName wrote:p-edit: can you provide the meta reasons, pint?
Quoting only this post 'cause I'm lazy but it's all I need: town!UD is much more sassy and less worried about being under pressure. If UD looks like he doesn't care, he's town. He's much more careful with his wording when scum. Read his ISO and you'll know what I'm talking about. Also, I know he's not faking it 'cause I've scumread him in our three last games and he was scum only in the last one.In post 139, UglyDuck wrote:
I choose to hold off bc i can. What would myreasons matter at this point?In post 138, the worst wrote:Will your thoughts get progressively better?
Alright. Why would you hold off on voicing your thoughts on how skitter is different until d2, from a holistic pov?-
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Oh fuck so I can't make my early tinfoil hat theories 'cause reading associations would be a mess?! I'll have to use a bigger hat this game.
@skitter uuuh no, I'm townreading UD lol if I was scumreading him it would affect it since I wouldn't know if he's a wolf or scum, but he's still town no matter how much scum is in this game.
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Hey, that's an AWOOOOsome plan!!In post 203, ManWithNoName wrote:Okay, AP, I have a plan. I's a good one, too.
We tell everyone that it's a full moon tonight and the moon is about to come up. Then, we watch the reactions of everyone here. If someone seems nervous and starts trying to get out, we lynch them.
What do you think?
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Vi que tu mirada ya estaba llamándomeIn post 227, TheYankeeReaper wrote: Just ask me anything you want to know.Daddy Yankeeis here all day to oblige.
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If that's the case... Thou shalt not use Daddy Yankee's name in vainIn post 234, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
I don't speak MexicanIn post 232, pinturicchio wrote:
Vi que tu mirada ya estaba llamándomeIn post 227, TheYankeeReaper wrote: Just ask me anything you want to know.Daddy Yankeeis here all day to oblige.
Muéstrame el camino que yo voy-
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Well, I see my strategy didn't work at all; that means I'll have to read the thread...In post 269, pinturicchio wrote:Ok I'm back. I have an experiment: if you're town, reply saying "I'm town". If you're not town, say "I'm not town". This is a bit risky but it could work
The good news is... it's muffin time!
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I mean this post btwIn post 230, the worst wrote:out of sheer respect skitter, I assume you've thought through this at more levels than I have.
humour me with a few answers wrt 73 because it is 120% unadulterated reaching horse shit.
(ily Espe)
assumption having a case of the dumbs = scum is bad strike 1In post 73, Espeonage wrote:alrighty ducky, lets have a chat. bc you have a case of dumbs I'm not used to.
I see scum motivation in jumping onto bad reasoning the way he did.In post 73, Espeonage wrote:Hypothesis: You are ignoring that me being lazy is NAI because of a resounding OMGUS.
I don't see town motivation in jumping onto bad reasoning the way he did.
how is this NAI?
what am I jumping on that I don't believe?In post 73, Espeonage wrote:Supporting Evidence: In a multiball you need to focus on not falling behind and avoiding lynches because it is easier to towntell.
Conclusion: You are jumping on something you don't believe in because you feel it is good scum play day 1 of a multiball.
Espe was either 1) being sarcastic with his vote, which means he was literally doing this... OR
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But in a world where you had to chose a side and in one side is duckling and in the other is Espeonage, who would you chose? This is for academic purposes, since I don't think duckling vs Esp is not TvT, I'm still trying to sort that outIn post 325, Sando wrote:
Weak, and the interaction is why I'm not TRing duckling.In post 319, pinturicchio wrote:I can talk to you. What do you think about the worst's case on Espeonage
I also did not like Espe's posts, but for different reasons than duckling has posted. It also doesn't strike me as TvT, but then nothing this game has so...-
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Yeah I'm not good at reading duckling so I'll be asking this a lot.In post 328, Sando wrote:
If I had to shoot between those two I'd shoot duckling based on him not playing to the town-meta I have of him.In post 327, pinturicchio wrote:But in a world where you had to chose a side and in one side is duckling and in the other is Espeonage, who would you chose? This is for academic purposes, since I don't think duckling vs Esp is not TvT, I'm still trying to sort that out
Plus duck is tasty.
I need your word about Draynth too. I'm biased because my last finished game is with scum!Draynth on it and I don't know how town!Draynth plays. From someone who hasn't played with Draynth, what are your thoughts on him?-
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I like this post a lot, helps me understand your reasoning.In post 332, the worst wrote:My case on Espe was 'why I think that post is bad' more than 'why I think he is clearly scum'. I don't see any reason to townread him or like the post. I also don't have much of a read on him.
More than anything I was surprised HOW different skitter's pov on it was.
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Yes yes this is exactly what I see coming from him. I'll give him a pass since this time it really could be IRL business but FoS on him definetelyIn post 330, Sando wrote:
Never played with him, but he strikes me as a scummy lurker. His post about me and UD being scum was ill-considered and he hasn't responded to criticism of that. The lack of content gives me a lack of insight obviously, but twas him bringing up this whole thing about me and UD not reading the role PMs and opening post, so for him to subsequently stay quiet strikes me as scum setting something up for townies to kill themselves over.In post 329, pinturicchio wrote:I need your word about Draynth too. I'm biased because my last finished game is with scum!Draynth on it and I don't know how town!Draynth plays. From someone who hasn't played with Draynth, what are your thoughts on him?-
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I honestly thought his initial observation (it was him that prompted me to look into the opening post more closely and find the explicit statement about NKs) was a joke, and I responded accordingly I thought. He then found me and UD scummy, which as I said, makes not so much of the senses.
It's caused a bit of a shitstorm, and as town in said shitstorm it says to me it's not a very scummy shitstorm (I'd say no more than a single scum in here), and the original creator of the shitstorm has nothing further to say on it...[/quote]
Hmmm I disagree with two things you're saying here: 1. Yeah, if you thought it was a joke and then he said you and UD both were scummy because of this, it makes no sense; but if it wasn't a joke, it's a consistent read on both of you. But being consistent is NAI at this point of the game, and not making sense is NAI too at this state; 2. Saying that HE caused the shitstorm is a little convenient coming from you, since you and UD talking about the scum could easily be scum faking a townslip (I personally don't think this is the case, but it could be). What I mean is: if you go and try to kiss a guy's girlfriend and that guy hits you in the face, who caused the shitstorm? I mean yeah it could be a misunderstanding and in reality you weren't trying to kiss the girl, you were reaching to her cheek 'cause she had this awful and weird stain and you were trying to clean her so she wouldn't be embarassed, but his boyfriend thought wrong and punched you; from the guy's perspective, you created the shitstorm. You get what I'm saying? I'm just too tired and should be sleeping I know-
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EBWOP this is what I was quoting, nice job PinIn post 338, Sando wrote: I honestly thought his initial observation (it was him that prompted me to look into the opening post more closely and find the explicit statement about NKs) was a joke, and I responded accordingly I thought. He then found me and UD scummy, which as I said, makes not so much of the senses.
It's caused a bit of a shitstorm, and as town in said shitstorm it says to me it's not a very scummy shitstorm (I'd say no more than a single scum in here), and the original creator of the shitstorm has nothing further to say on it...-
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Oh I get your point now, good job following the example. Yeah that's odd, it's like he doesn't even care about his girlfriend.In post 343, Sando wrote:
Don't think you're disagreeing with me on (1), it was merely an observation from me, I don't draw and scumclusions about the joke part.In post 340, pinturicchio wrote:Hmmm I disagree with two things you're saying here: 1. Yeah, if you thought it was a joke and then he said you and UD both were scummy because of this, it makes no sense; but if it wasn't a joke, it's a consistent read on both of you. But being consistent is NAI at this point of the game, and not making sense is NAI too at this state; 2. Saying that HE caused the shitstorm is a little convenient coming from you, since you and UD talking about the scum could easily be scum faking a townslip (I personally don't think this is the case, but it could be).
I'm not trying to take the focus away from me/MWNN/Skitter and my role in it, I'd like more attention on it tbh, but his post was the impetus for what happened. Sure if I go kiss his GF he's got a right to be angry, but it's a bit weird if he says "oi that's not cool mate" and then wanders off while he lets others deal with me.
Not saying I'm not kissing his GF, but it's weird that he's made a feeble "oi mate, not cool" and then left others to fight his battles.
Ok thanks Sando you can go back to your tvt with skitter if you want-
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Well the metaphor wasn't good but you got my point and I got yours so if it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupidIn post 344, Sando wrote:
I also think our metaphor is getting thin at this pointIn post 343, Sando wrote:Not saying I'm not kissing his GF, but it's weird that he's made a feeble "oi mate, not cool" and then left others to fight his battles.-
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I had to look what QFT meant in urban dictionary and the first example saysIn post 347, the worst wrote:
QFTIn post 346, pinturicchio wrote:if it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid"cosco is a great place to buy bulk tinfoil for making hats".
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I've never played with scum!the worst, but he seems to be very conscious about selfmeta; that's why I'm always paranoid about him. BUT! I've seen that in our games where he's town, he usually talks about self meta in the early game. I'd have to read a scum!duckling game to see if he does the same, but for now I'm not going in that pool, I'll drown if I do.In post 373, ManWithNoName wrote:I have played with scum!the worst and this feels different to me. I will say, though that we have an astounding record of never both being town. I don't really know lots about the worst's town game because of that.
I also just don't feel like metadiving to read his town games again.
I'm kind of lazy posting this game which is why I signed up on an alt rather than my main, and metadiving is very tryhard. Anyone want to show me examples of how the worst is different from town games? My gut says this is not scum, but it doesn't exactly scream town.-
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I was going to reply you that I didn't agree with the lazyness, but Draynth has posted more after this and I think I can see what you're saying. There was a lot to skim but he focused almost entirely on Sando's pressure on him; in his scumgame he usually ignored what people thought about him.In post 359, UglyDuck wrote: --- So the weird thing here to me is that he puts both me and Sando in this pool. But like... if we are both skum faking that we don't understand... ect. that doesn't really make sense. seems paranoid.
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The Skum!Dray I played with stood behind the lines, but at least when they spoke they made an attempt. This kind of just seems lazy. Really don't know to be honest. If this is also Town!Dray then I guess I wouldn't mind lynching here if the content is never going to increase, but all in all I am always against LAL lynches on D1 based on the information it provides for the subsequent days (so yah, free info... lurk against me when you are skum).-
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I was townreading skitter before the 1v1 with Sando (I've played two consecutive games with town!skitter and I've seen nothing that pinged me as "different"), and the way Sando approached the 1v1 seems to be coming from town; saying things like "this seems to be a TvS" is something that town would say in the heat of the moment; scum KNOWS if that's a TvS. I'm not convinced on town!Sando and I see that skitter has some pressure on her, but skitter had this same kind of pressure on Newbie 1859 and she was town there so idkIn post 368, Draynth wrote:
Why do you think it's TvT?In post 345, pinturicchio wrote: Ok thanks Sando you can go back to your tvt with skitter if you want
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CJ I think I've scumread you in every single game I've seen you playing and this might not be the exception if you keep doing posts like thisIn post 383, ceejayvinoya wrote:I like Draynth so far. I think he's town.-
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I know nobody asked me but I agree with this statementIn post 412, AP wrote:Right now I'm divided on N_M. Would rather wait for a flip to decide. (He "half" towntold)-
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This might be a "NotWolf!slip" since wolf is not yellow in this game, by the way
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Sorry I'm catching up and saw this and had to say: my 26th bday is on 9/9/19 :O omg duckling we're so close!In post 708, the worst wrote:
dude you're the best I just noticed it was a palindrome when I put it in my calendar. it's also 24 days before my 26th bday..... for what that's worth.......In post 707, ManWithNoName wrote:
It's really easy to remember because when we got the day before labor day, the date is actually 9/1/19, so it's a palindrome.In post 705, the worst wrote:YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED IN 468 DAYS?!?
I'm gonna put a reminder in my phone just in case were still in touch then!
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Yeah you definetely are who I think you are, HYPEIn post 720, ManWithNoName wrote:Yes.
And thanks to you all, people actually generally know on my main as well, because I pretty freely mention my fiance in several threads, but I don't know I've ever revealed the date.-
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In post 726, ManWithNoName wrote:Fuck it, I'll just say it. I'm brassherald-
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Ok I'm ready, what a long read. I'll say this about Sando vs Fumuki:
I was scumreading Sando on 720 and I could see only after the game was over that he was a powerful townplayer with good strats; I was scumreading Sando in this game based on that other game but I couldn't say it 'cause that game wasn't finished, but now that I know that Sando was town there, I think Sando is town here too, so I don't agree with Fumuki about Sando being different. I like that Fumuki pushed Sando tho, since it's not... let's say, the "easy mislynch". What I mean with this is that he could've joined the duckling's wagon or not push anyone at all, but he went for Sando who I consider a strong player. Haven't played with scum!Sando so maybe I'm wrong about that, but I think his townplay was solid on 720.
Conclusion: townreading Sando, less scumreading Fumuki's slot but I still have a gutread on Draynth so...
Now about the whole setup speculation I really don't give a crap since I'm not good at that, I'm good at townreading people and towning myself up so what up. This caught my attention tho:
I know both Fumuki and sando were talking about wolf strats more than the other two factions, but they talked about optimal strategy of the other factions too. This pings me, pings me a lot I say. Let's play a game called "have you met wolf!CJ?"In post 675, ceejayvinoya wrote:Btw let's all stop speculating on wolf strats pls. Lets not give the wolves a free "How to win Jungle Republic" manual.
Hey! Have you met wolf!CJ?
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Ok so to summarize and finish this nonsense:
Yes, ideally, Wolves should shoot Mafia and act like serial killers here; that's good for them and for town
Town ideally would lynch Wolves today but without associations we can't tell if someone scummy is Mafia or Wolf; there has been some slippery slips that could discard some players from one or another (Fumuki is probably not Wolf, Sando is probably not Mafia)
Now can we go on with the game? @Sando and @Fumuki get over it, if you won't agree there's nothing good coming out of that conversation; if you want to discuss about the setup, do it at the end of the game or somewhere else, but the game will stagnate if it goes on and on about this topic only.
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Yes, this exactly. Now pleaaaaase back to the game, town is lurking and that's bad 'cause scum gets the chance to lurk without being scumread because town is doing it tooIn post 860, Espeonage wrote: What I was arguing is that mafia and ww are going to be ridiculously hard to tell apart.
If we all agree lynching town is worse than lynching scum.
Then isn't it the most obvious thing in the world that we prioritise lynching scum. And that by inhibiting your pool to your own interpretation of how one side will act, you increase the chance of a misslynch.-
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Mmmm I actually think there's a conection between those two posts and it is that Espe's frustrated about the gamestate at this point. I feel the same way, so he's trying to cut the conversation. He went in an aggresive manner about the topic, and I believe that he did that not because he really thinks people (aka Fumuki) are stupid, but because he wants to discourage people of talking about said topic. That is pretty consistent.In post 867, Sando wrote:
Sure, I feel like Espe's view on WW/Mafia hunting has moved. It was "lol you can't regular scumhunt" and is now "lol idiots you can't tell between Scum and WW". To me this feels like trying to get away from previous (bad) theory and now trying to look like the reasonable person.In post 866, pinturicchio wrote:If you're killing time let's jam. Anything you want to talk about? I liked our earlier interactions, and as I said before, now that 720 is finished, I think I'm talking with town!Sando
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Yeah sure Fumuki but there are some things that you leave for yourself until you get a better case on someone, that's what fluff posts are for. I mean if you actually get scum on an early read but your case is not good enough, either you get in an awful 1v1 or the guy you're scumreading gets townier and your case is dismissed. You have to give scum some space to feel secure, let them post their thoughts and when they don't see it coming...
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You make a good case on them. Your case on Espe is basically "he doesn't agree with my theory on multiball, which is good theory, so he has different motivations that I have, so he must be Mafia". I mean, the other thing you're saying about him (that he should agree with you since he was Mafia on another multiball so "he should know") it's all based in that you're forcing people to agree with you; either if you're right or wrong, that's bad.
Aside of all the setup theory, where are your reads? Sando disagreed with you first, "Sando is probably scum"; Espeonage disagrees with you, "Espeonage is probably scum". Where are the other players for you? The ones who are not saying anything about your theory at all, or the ones like me who are dismissing it because they really don't give a damn about lynching either Mafia or Wolf?-
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Yes, I think so too: he seems off compared to any other game that I have played with him, and he was town in all those games. But those things you said (less jocual and deflecting rather than engaging) could be explained on the context of this game being different to those other games; here, he was cased really early on D1 for "being off", so his approach would be different to other games where he was more... let's say, "free as a bird".In post 872, Sando wrote:
Ok but I don't really think his original comments were directed at Fumu, in fact he wasn't in the game at that point, but I can see it, next one:In post 870, pinturicchio wrote:Mmmm I actually think there's a conection between those two posts and it is that Espe's frustrated about the gamestate at this point. I feel the same way, so he's trying to cut the conversation. He went in an aggresive manner about the topic, and I believe that he did that not because he really thinks people (aka Fumuki) are stupid, but because he wants to discourage people of talking about said topic. That is pretty consistent.
TW seems off this game compared to 720, less jocular, deflecting rather than engaging, that sort of thing. I mean it could be PR vs not PR, but I would expect the opposite in terms of playstyle movement if that were the case.
What I don't like about Duckling this game is his voting sequence: some of them seems to be rushed and without explanation, even when people is suspecting him, like trying to deviate attention quickly to another wagon.-
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Skitter again dotting the i's and crossing the t'sIn post 877, skitter30 wrote: I think you're scumreading him for having a different game/set-up philosophy and not something actually scum-indicative tbh.-
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Well, you do overstate your own stature sometimes, but that's a good point. I jammed with the worst earlier and I remember getting good vibes coming from him so I'll have to check out that again, but even if the original, the one and only, the greatest duckling in the world is scummy today, I think we can sort other people before him.In post 879, Sando wrote:
From a personal POV it honestly feels like he's ignoring my vote/comments on him due to knowing I don't really trust my D1 scumreads (I've said it often enough in his presence), and so he can safely ignore me today. Hence my comments to you now. But that could well be me just being a wanker and overstating my own stature.In post 878, pinturicchio wrote:What I don't like about Duckling this game is his voting sequence: some of them seems to be rushed and without explanation, even when people is suspecting him, like trying to deviate attention quickly to another wagon.
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1. Maybe I didn't express myself clear: that's how it feels, Fumu. It feels like you scumread whoever disagree with your setup theory. You've engaged only the people who have replied your theory; this is like, the first time you engage with me? And I've been here, AP has been here too.In post 881, Fumuki wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAHIn post 875, pinturicchio wrote: Aside of all the setup theory, where are your reads? Sando disagreed with you first, "Sando is probably scum"; Espeonage disagrees with you, "Espeonage is probably scum".
COME AGAIN PINTU???
I DID SCUM READ SANDOBEFOREWE DISAGREEING IN THE SEER THING
PLUS, I did scum read Espeonage NOT ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE HE DISAGREED with me, but because I think the reason he disagreed not only with me just as well with Sando has SCUMMY INTENTIONS.
I'm repeating this for like...the SIXTH time?
I think everyone said something about the theories about now, and look at that again later to help your case because everyone, be town, mafia or wolf has a intention in saying what they say. It's not NAI.Where are the other players for you? The ones who are not saying anything about your theory at all, or the ones like me who are dismissing it because they really don't give a damn about lynching either Mafia or Wolf?
You guys can or not give a "damn" about lynching either Mafia or Wolf, but I'm looking preferably for Mafia now, although if I get a Wolf read stronger than my Mafia read I'll try to lynch my stronger read of course.
Anyway Pintu, I don't plan to, specially in a multiball, try so quickly putting slots as town or scum. I'm mostly null on everyone. I'm scum reading Espeonage, town leaning UD and MWNN and I don't know what to do with Sando for now, I'll look at him later, and who knows I'll try to push him again. Dunno.
and you? have better reads?
2. Yea sure you do you, if you have better than average reads and can differentiate between two factions on D1, that's great. I don't.
3. If you read my ISO you'll clearly see what I'm doing, who I am reading and what strategy I'm following.-
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Ok I get your frustration, but now you think she's town and that's great.In post 886, Sando wrote:
I'm comfy with that.In post 882, pinturicchio wrote:I think we can sort other people before him.
What's your read on skitter, now that you're not 1v1ing her?
I've felt sandwiched by skitter tbh, where pretty much anything I do is going to get twisted as scummy. I think that's bad town, but again, probably because I toot my own horn a bit much. It's a strategy that won't work on me to get my mislynched, so I'm sticking with town. I don't think the above "oh geez we're STILL talking about this" comes from scum either.
AP, skitter, and Fumu are townie to me
Pintu, CJ, MWNN are my list of townie enough to not be today's lynch.
Espe, TW in my lynchlist with UD bringing up the rear there
What's not so great is that our reads are not matching: don't really care about scumreads, but your townreads are weird: why AP and Fumu?
My townreads at this moment are Sando, skitter, UD and myself, so hit me up to see who wants to be which Beatle (I know I know, but someone has to be Ringo). MWNN is Brian Epstein and I'm looking for our George Martin. It's pretty obvious that the Seer will be Ravi Shankar when confirmed.-
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