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it's not an assumption it's just being capable of reading the roomIn post 1903, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you are saying you would rather take a 50/50 shot based on an assumption that may or may not be true.
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i mean i dont really think he's a wolf, im just pointing out the irony in you acting like it's inherently ridiclous for me to suggest resolving between nm/penguin when catboi suggested doing the exact same thingIn post 1905, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 1902, staypositivefriend wrote:pooky why didnt u rake catboi over the coals for wanting to resolve btwn penguin_nm? it's only wolfy when i do it i guess
I have already put catboi thru hell yesterday
if he wins as wolf here it's cuz you didn't help me yeet him yesterday
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i dont mean this in a rude way but i feel like we've gone over this exact question in the last 5 pagesIn post 1909, Arete Lastname wrote:
if you actually think I'm a wolf then why do you Stubbornly Not Want To Vote Me?In post 1908, staypositivefriend wrote:i feel like i should probably just vote arete now to prove that i have no real qualms with killing them and am simply acting out of my best statistical interest but also im stubborn and dont want to-
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i am known for my lying as townIn post 1912, Arete Lastname wrote:why is my brain generating the hypothesis 'maybe she's town but lying about her reads from selfpres'
brain that is the WORST hypothesis-
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he was a lot less solvey, a lot less inclined to directly engage with/confront other people, a lot less invested in figuring other people out, and in general he made a lot more off-topic posts. im sure that the single game i saw from him was probably not the best exemplification of his full wolf range, but the differences between that game and this game are pretty starkIn post 1924, AbbyandRani wrote:
What was in his mafia game that isn't in this game?In post 1923, staypositivefriend wrote:ehhh i dont really think pooky is mafia, he is at least significantly townier than the wolfgame i saw from him a while ago-
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at a certain point i feel like he wouldnt have bothered to engage w/me for as long as he did and also unvote me in his position as mafia/a wolf. it'd be p easy for him to just shut up and vote meIn post 1928, AbbyandRani wrote:
Are we sure he's just flat out pushing whoever is convenient for his team? He's 180'd on a few reads and then 360'd on other reads.In post 1927, staypositivefriend wrote:
he was a lot less solvey, a lot less inclined to directly engage with/confront other people, a lot less invested in figuring other people out, and in general he made a lot more off-topic posts. im sure that the single game i saw from him was probably not the best exemplification of his full wolf range, but the differences between that game and this game are pretty starkIn post 1924, AbbyandRani wrote:
What was in his mafia game that isn't in this game?In post 1923, staypositivefriend wrote:ehhh i dont really think pooky is mafia, he is at least significantly townier than the wolfgame i saw from him a while ago
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ur partner is probably about to die, sorry xoIn post 1950, Not_Mafia wrote:Aftersun is flailing-
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seems more likely to me that arete is a wolf than that arete is maf who bussed their partner for no reason, especially in light of std's claim lolIn post 1977, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
i cant believe you actually bussed your own teammate in 5-3-2 when literally town doesnt want to yeet mafiaIn post 1966, Arete Lastname wrote:jesus fucking Christ okay I didn't want to do this but unlike some people I'm not a thrower so
and you claimed that there was no way to tell the difference between wolf and mafia
WHILE YOU WERE VOTING YOUR OWN MAFIA TEAMMATE
AND YOU ARE CALLING HER A THROWER FOR NOT CLAIMING MAFIA
LIKE I KNOW SHE SHOULDVE CLAIMED BUT WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BUS R U SERIOUS THAT DOESNT EVEN HELP YOU WIN THE GAME BECAUSE IF WE DONT YeET WOLVES ITS NOT LIKE THEY MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF THE RAINBOW BUDDY-
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are u just outing urself as a wolf then
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it's because arete is lying and a wolf, hope this helps
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nah but u tried to flip things back to me as soon as arete claimed and before std cc'd, which makes me think u might be arete's partner going for the hail mary play lolIn post 2015, PenguinPower wrote:i mean - i'm obviously going to vote between std and arete.....................
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i mean there's always an off chance that std is a wolf who fakeclaimed to try to get arete killed today but the answer that requires the least amount of assumptions (and therefore the option that is significantly more likely to be true) is t hat arete is a wolf who claimed mafia in a desperate attempt to avoid being killed-
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@pooky - would either of penguin or not_mafia be able to provide arete with this information?In post 2025, Arete Lastname wrote:when we were discussing who the wolves were in Mafia chat she brought up Micro 1015 where apparently Pooky's hydra like totally melted down as town and got misexe'd, she said you were probably actually town here (I kinda thought you could be a wolf trying to powerwolf 'cause of all the tunnelling)-
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oh maybe theyre just frantically scrambling through ur previous games to try to look knowledgeable about u thenIn post 2032, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what information its not even true-
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and i might be more willing to consider that u were telling the truth about being mafia if u could give me a good answer for who the wolves are besides just "spf/savethedragon". u choosing to call me/std obvious wolves makes me feel like ur saying that because u strategically have to and not because ur actually trying to hunt for the wolves lol-
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okay that's fair ig - im just bothered by how obviously fake their read that me/std are the wolves are and it makes me even less inclined to trust anything they say lolIn post 2064, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:well arete doesn't want to our their partner so they have to antispew regardless of alignment-
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it is literally not possible for me and std to be teamed with each other and if u were actually hunting for the wolves then u would know this, but u are in anti-spew right now so it's probably not worth engaging with youIn post 2066, Arete Lastname wrote:
STD is outed because they counterclaimed meIn post 2063, staypositivefriend wrote:and i might be more willing to consider that u were telling the truth about being mafia if u could give me a good answer for who the wolves are besides just "spf/savethedragon". u choosing to call me/std obvious wolves makes me feel like ur saying that because u strategically have to and not because ur actually trying to hunt for the wolves lol
before they CC'd I thought it was you/Penguin but I actually think Penguin's response to this whole fight has been uninformed, whereas yours has sorta been dancing around committing to 'Arete is a wolf' while trying to prop up STD in the counterclaim anyways-
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there's a difference btwn theater and deathtunneling someone who it would be strategically sub-optimal to deathtunnel. but ur right that i dont care about convincing u because u are in anti-spew regardless of if ur wolf or mafia and not being fully honest with your thoughts. im just bringing attention to how obviously fake your current view of the game isIn post 2074, Arete Lastname wrote:
you were telling us earlier that you were great at theaterIn post 2069, staypositivefriend wrote:
it is literally not possible for me and std to be teamed with each other and if u were actually hunting for the wolves then u would know this, but u are in anti-spew right now so it's probably not worth engaging with youIn post 2066, Arete Lastname wrote:
STD is outed because they counterclaimed meIn post 2063, staypositivefriend wrote:and i might be more willing to consider that u were telling the truth about being mafia if u could give me a good answer for who the wolves are besides just "spf/savethedragon". u choosing to call me/std obvious wolves makes me feel like ur saying that because u strategically have to and not because ur actually trying to hunt for the wolves lol
before they CC'd I thought it was you/Penguin but I actually think Penguin's response to this whole fight has been uninformed, whereas yours has sorta been dancing around committing to 'Arete is a wolf' while trying to prop up STD in the counterclaim anyways
but really the person you have to convince is not me, I don't particularly expect anyone to listen to my legacy even though I am in the best position of everyone in the game to solve it-
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In post 2081, Arete Lastname wrote:
I just want to make it 100 percent clear here that my read that SPF is STD's wolf partner is genuine and the her treatment of my slot ~never comes from town, when I flip Mafia you all should not go say 'well they were Mafia so maybe they were lying,' I will make fun of you in dead chatIn post 2075, staypositivefriend wrote:
there's a difference btwn theater and deathtunneling someone who it would be strategically sub-optimal to deathtunnel. but ur right that i dont care about convincing u because u are in anti-spew regardless of if ur wolf or mafia and not being fully honest with your thoughts. im just bringing attention to how obviously fake your current view of the game isIn post 2074, Arete Lastname wrote:
you were telling us earlier that you were great at theaterIn post 2069, staypositivefriend wrote:
it is literally not possible for me and std to be teamed with each other and if u were actually hunting for the wolves then u would know this, but u are in anti-spew right now so it's probably not worth engaging with youIn post 2066, Arete Lastname wrote:
STD is outed because they counterclaimed meIn post 2063, staypositivefriend wrote:and i might be more willing to consider that u were telling the truth about being mafia if u could give me a good answer for who the wolves are besides just "spf/savethedragon". u choosing to call me/std obvious wolves makes me feel like ur saying that because u strategically have to and not because ur actually trying to hunt for the wolves lol
before they CC'd I thought it was you/Penguin but I actually think Penguin's response to this whole fight has been uninformed, whereas yours has sorta been dancing around committing to 'Arete is a wolf' while trying to prop up STD in the counterclaim anyways
but really the person you have to convince is not me, I don't particularly expect anyone to listen to my legacy even though I am in the best position of everyone in the game to solve it-
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yah this is true, if std is a wolf they could have just kept quiet and let arete hold their mafia claim and let me get killed instead. they had an easy mischop in front of them by not cc'ing, so i dont really see what incentive they would have to claimIn post 2088, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:no
if the partner is super deep there's no point to CC as wolf.
you only CC if its really likely you or your partner is the next train destination so you have to fire a CC off while you can before the lights start heading your way.-
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lol that's kinda funny i didnt pick up on thatIn post 2091, Arete Lastname wrote:incidentally you can tell that read on STD's interactions was 100 percent fake because half my talking points were literally just arguments Achro used against me in G8 (v/v) and if I were town *or* a mafiahunting wolf I wouldn't have been treating this as outing
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i tried to respond to this post with fire emojis and it broke the entire websiteIn post 2094, Save The Dragons wrote:i wrote a song
it's calledArete is a Wolf
Arete is a wolf
Arete has a lastname
Arete is a wolf
Yeet them from the game
Arete is a wolf
Arete is a liar
Arete is a wolf
Yeet their slot with fire!
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not to be too aggressive but if you still think that me & arete have any level of partner equity after yesterday, then you have no idea how to read spew. arete blatantly spewed me as town by treating me with kids gloves for the entire game because they were hunting for the mafia team and they clearly knew that i Wasn't Mafia. it would be incredibly stupid for our strategy as a wolfteam for me to pressure and go out of my way to "bury" arete on d1 only for arete to townread me for nebulous and flimsy reasons. it's also just obvious from the way that arete and i interacted that we aren't teamed-
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i should be spewed town by anyone even half paying attention to this game based on the fact that i buried arete on d1, based on the fact that arete spewed me as town from their treatment of me, and based on the fact that i'm obviously not mafia since i hardpushed on ydrasse/STD throughout d1/d2 but i dont have a ton of faith in the rest of this game to read the spew correctly-
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it wasn't even convoluted. i'm not stupid and i would understand as a wolf with arete facing a lot of pressure that refusing to vote for arete and wanting to resolve outside of them would make me look partnered w/them if u read the game in the most level 0 way possible. in a world where me/arete are W/W the smart thing to do is just bus & distance since at least one of us was clearly going over within the next dayphase or soIn post 2124, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think the d1 spf back and forth with arete and spf unvoting once arete got votes felt like scum theatre and she was trying to find the most convoluted ass reason to not vote him yesterday.-
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anyway i didnt think about the game much overnight but pending re-evaluation, n_m is the player with the most obvious level of partner equity with arete, and arete made several posts yesterday that seemed overly aware/self-conscious f their positioning toward n_m and felt like they were trying to avoid spewing them. that said, i'll give everyone here a look before i conf bias myself into pushing him lol-
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i was quite literally burying arete and dunking on them in tandem with you throughout the last few pages of the EOD - it was obvious that i was advocating for them to die and it was obvious that the day was always going to end with them dying. why do u think i wouldnt just vote them for the extra bus cred as a partner? why is it even wolfy that i didn't bother to join the wagon that was clearly always going to go through anyway?In post 2132, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:depends if you think her unvote makes sense and her never revoting him even as I built that wagon up makes sense-
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i dont even remember u wagoning arete on d1 but it's possible u did and i just forgotIn post 2142, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i was talking about Day one-
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i would be fairly surprised if catboi was a wolf after he went out of his way to vote/lead on arete toward the end of yesterday - it would have been extremely easy for him to vote me instead and go to the endgame with arete, and i don't really think he was in a position where bussing was strategically necessary or even beneficial for him to do. the way that arete panic-claimed mafia to get STD to out also felt like something they did as a result of being wagoned by catboi and not like something that was planned in the long-term, which decreases the odds that catboi/arete were doing a bussing strategy
think that penguin and pooky also both spewed themselves as not partners with arete as well and while i dont think a&r actually did, i still feel that they are almost certainly out of wolfrange and that if they are wolfing this game both of them are playing significantly out of their typical wolf meta
when i pair that with arete basically refusing to take a stance on not mafia for multiple dayphases and then awkwardly trying to push penguin over nm when it looked like we might resolve between the two of them, and not_mafia blatantly siding with arete for pretty much the entire game, the answer that requires the least amount of assumptions and the answer that seems the most obviously true is that nm is just wolfing
dont really know who the mafia would be in that world but i also dont really care rn because if we manage to kill the final wolf today then we're more or less in autowin
again i will go through all of these reads today to make sure they check out and to make sure that my memory isnt failing me, but that's basically where my head is at rn-
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that refresher is actually helpful, thank you. to my memory, i had felt that my initial exchange with arete had basically run its course and i was gradually ceding more and more ground to them throughout our conversation (like in #385 where i acknowledged that i could understand how it would be possible for them to make the read i was pressuring them on from a town arete perspective)In post 2147, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what is surprising to me is that I don't think you had a good reason to unvote and relieve pressure on Arete and you never seem to revisit them again, instead opting to make votes on Meditation & 4Maskwolf and being generally disengaged with wolf poppins.
part of the reason i was pressuring arete so much in the first place is because i thought the way they jumped to assuming me/penguin were partners based on how i was pressuring them felt fake/illogical in a way that arete usually isnt, so when arete acknowledged shortly after that me/penguin might not actually be partnered anymore and they also started coming to a world where i was town, i thought it was possible that we were both town that just had a miscommunication with each other. this also is a big part of what led to me townreading them for a while after until i concluded they were proly a wolf sometime around yesterday
it definitely didnt help that i was (admittely) demotivated for a good dayphase or two and to be honest, didnt really care about my reads or solving the game that much. that said, in a world where i committed to doing that type of elaborate wolf theater with arete, i doubt my progression on them would ever be so sloppy, and i also doubt i would just abruptly stop talking about them and then suddenly start townreading them a bit later like the way that i did. that would be a really really sloppy way to follow up with what would have needed to be some very coordinated wolf theater lol
i might be misremembering some finer points because it was a while ago but that was more or less my thought process wrt to arete in the first few dayphases-
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probably to kill not_mafia and then go from there but i wont be able to say with confidence until ive done some more reading/ISOingIn post 2152, AbbyandRani wrote:
Hi SPF.In post 2151, staypositivefriend wrote:sup brad
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why penguin town? (i think i agree but i wanna hear ur reasoning)In post 2156, AbbyandRani wrote:
Probably Penguin town, still have you and Cat town.In post 2154, staypositivefriend wrote:did ur reads change at all after the arete flip?
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okay - idk if i fully agree that it was towny for penguin to immediately vote for arete once the CC happened, because i think that arete would likely encourage their partner to bus them at that point (since they were pretty much outed and always dying anyway), but i do think that penguin is likely spewed not partners with arete from the way that he consistently voted/pushed on arete throughout the game, particularly on d1, and the way arete pushed on him/framed him as a wolfy with timing that came off as opportunistic yesterdayIn post 2159, AbbyandRani wrote:
Basically jumping on the Arete wagon early yesterday, and then voting them once the CC happened. Like 0 defense of them which I would assume Arete's partner would do in that situation.In post 2158, staypositivefriend wrote:
why penguin town? (i think i agree but i wanna hear ur reasoning)In post 2156, AbbyandRani wrote:
Probably Penguin town, still have you and Cat town.In post 2154, staypositivefriend wrote:did ur reads change at all after the arete flip?
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why's that? why can't nm be the wolf?In post 2161, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if Penguin is town this means NM is Mafia and the last wolf is between SPF/AnR-
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In post 2160, staypositivefriend wrote:
okay - idk if i fully agree that it was towny for penguin to immediately vote for arete once the CC happened, because i think that arete would likely encourage their partner to bus them at that point (since they were pretty much outed and always dying anyway), butIn post 2159, AbbyandRani wrote:
Basically jumping on the Arete wagon early yesterday, and then voting them once the CC happened. Like 0 defense of them which I would assume Arete's partner would do in that situation.In post 2158, staypositivefriend wrote:
why penguin town? (i think i agree but i wanna hear ur reasoning)In post 2156, AbbyandRani wrote:
Probably Penguin town, still have you and Cat town.In post 2154, staypositivefriend wrote:did ur reads change at all after the arete flip?
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im like 90% sure the post u quoted was a typo and i meant to type penguin/n_m and not penguin/std, since i was advocating for resolving btwn penguin/nm for most of the dayIn post 2171, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 1844, staypositivefriend wrote:
no i want to kill specifically within penguin/STD, which is probably 50% mafia and 50% wolf. shockingly, this is because i want to kill the wolvesIn post 1833, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
NM/PenguinPower/STD have the highest mafia equity in the game period. 2/3 of them are likely mafiaIn post 1830, staypositivefriend wrote:????? i said that the wolf agenda is going to be focused on snuffing out the mafia team as quickly as possible, not that the wolf agenda is going to be focused on killing between not_mafia and penguin power. did u read my post correctly?
you want to kill in that group
that's you hunting for mafia under the veneer of hunting for wolf
the same thing you just accused Arete of doing not even 15 minutes ago
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meh i dont know if i care about that but i agree it felt mildly townyIn post 2172, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
yea, him roasting me about misreading him as mafia sounded p townieIn post 2170, staypositivefriend wrote:do u think that penguin is town-
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