OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

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Town!Herta

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Town!Herta

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Scum!Herta

I think the difference is really obvious.

~N

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In general, a slot advocating for a scum!win isn’t likely to be town. Town wants to leave a legacy of reads that town can consider post-flip.

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Just have erialox hammer elmo from e-2

Yeah, I agree but I shouldn’t vote then? I don’t think town says that they hope DA wins.

So I’m here to vote Elmo if needed.

~N

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PBE can you vote Elmo?

although seeing how confident n_m is here I think we know who is lying

I would have hammered but I assumed NM was being tested, so I thought I’d wait untll I read otherwise. Anyway, we get to find out if Tap really is the DA or not.

~Nancy

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Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm

~Nancy

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Eiralox PBE or Meg.

Can you go into why you suspect these players so I can check my notes later?

Since I thought Tap was either DA or town, this post makes me think I was probably right about your slot being town, because Tap thought I was DA.

~N

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Eiralox PBE or Meg.

Sounds like Herta doesn’t know anything about my being hidden nobled, probably also town or DA, lean town though.

Eiralox pushed Tap extremely hard as DA. Would like to see Mega post because I have no clue about Junko but two nk’d town were suss on her.

~N

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Eiralox PBE or Meg.

Can you go into why you suspect these players so I can check my notes later?

Everyone else has been a noble other than me and I'm a vt. So with PBE claiming that narrows it down to Eiralox or Meg (Junko). I'm not healing outside of those two today.

HEAL: Eiralox

~N

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I am the hidden noble.

I'm the hidden noble

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Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm

~Nancy

I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?

I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..

HEAL: Mega

Maybe better.

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@Eiralox

why lying

I agree to die if Bear nobled.

if you are nobled then you knew NM lying

why didn't say so

VOTE: Enchant

~N

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UNVOTE:

Actually, probably shouldn’t rush this.

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Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm

~Nancy

I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?

I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..

HEAL: Mega

Maybe better.

Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?

Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.

~N

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Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm

~Nancy

I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?

I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..

HEAL: Mega

Maybe better.

Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?

Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.

~N

Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?

No one CC’d Enchant but that’s obviously not the same as an elected noble, which you and NM are. But I think he’s probably telling the truth about that since he wasn’t CC’d. With Eira and NM it’s less clear. But because it’s NM, the odds of Eira telling the truth about being HN are higher because NM trolls.

~N

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bonjour what have I missed

Any reads Mega?

~N

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Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm

~Nancy

I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?

I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..

HEAL: Mega

Maybe better.

Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?

Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.

~N

Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?

No one CC’d Enchant but that’s obviously not the same as an elected noble, which you and NM are. But I think he’s probably telling the truth about that since he wasn’t CC’d. With Eira and NM it’s less clear. But because it’s NM, the odds of Eira telling the truth about being HN are higher because NM trolls.

~N

I honestly would love a direct list.

Because it might be to DA’s advantage to claim nobled when they weren’t.

Then compare against VC totals and see which claims are verified.

Then actual DA pool is in not verified and never claimed

We probably still elim in never claimed but always trust but verify,

If you can figure out the VCs, I think there’s a way to tell because HN vote counts but isn’t listed.

~N

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So PBE, Eira, ?NM? and Enchant claim to be hidden nobles?
And hidden nobles must be town?

No not IC but since it’s in mafia’s interest to HN DA, it’s likely they were looking for them. Since I was HN’d, it makes me think that Eira was also probably likely telling the truth, because mafia clearly didn’t know.

Enchant’s push on me looked really fake but maybe I just talked myself out of Enchant being mafia and just bad town? \_0_/

~N

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Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm

~Nancy

I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?

I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..

HEAL: Mega

Maybe better.

Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?

Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.

~N

Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?

No one CC’d Enchant but that’s obviously not the same as an elected noble, which you and NM are. But I think he’s probably telling the truth about that since he wasn’t CC’d. With Eira and NM it’s less clear. But because it’s NM, the odds of Eira telling the truth about being HN are higher because NM trolls.

~N

I honestly would love a direct list.

Because it might be to DA’s advantage to claim nobled when they weren’t.

Then compare against VC totals and see which claims are verified.

Then actual DA pool is in not verified and never claimed

We probably still elim in never claimed but always trust but verify,

If you can figure out the VCs, I think there’s a way to tell because HN vote counts but isn’t listed.

~N

It’s more look at the last day’s VCs.

If there were enough people to hammer without hidden noble then it’s possible hidden noble is lying if off wagon.

Mainly it’s math I have to do after work.

But if day 6 needed for elim and 5 were on wagon and player was elimmed hidden noble is in those 5.

Well yesterday was the only day so far with two HN claims, unfortunately one is NM though. But if he’s telling the truth not trolling, then wouldn’t look good for Eira.

~N

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Herta's kinda obvscum here

Care to explain why?

+1

Think I was probably right about NM being town. Sounds like town!NM to me.

~N

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I mean we just noble me today and herta tomorrow and win?

Unless we are worried about DA not being between us

Hmmm . . . if Mega isn’t posturing with this and DA isn’t Herta, maybe one of the HN lied. Still can’t tell if NM was trolling, so Eira could have been telling the truth?

Still suss on Enchant. I didn’t like his interactions with me yesterday.

So far:

PBE

Math

NM

I feel are probably all town.

Mega’s reaction to being healed makes me think maybe DA could be Herta then or possibly Eira?

I still like Herta but if NM’s town which I think he probably is then I shouldn’t ignore his reads. I’m still kicking myself for that last game for limming him > Dannflor at elo.

~ N

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Eiralox PBE or Meg.

Can you go into why you suspect these players so I can check my notes later?

Everyone else has been a noble other than me and I'm a vt. So with PBE claiming that narrows it down to Eiralox or Meg (Junko). I'm not healing outside of those two today.

While I obviously know I’m telling the truth, you were very quick to lock me in before anyone had the chance to fake CC me.

Who do you think is mafia?

~N

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MathBlade - Noble
Herta
Eiralox - Noble
Polar Bear Express (Noraa & Nancy Drew 39) - Noble
Not_Mafia - Noble
Enchant - Noble
MegAzumarill


Herta or Meg are DA.

Who’s mafia? We know that three players are scum.

~N

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I think we have to think things through and focus on elimming scum too.

If we don’t hidden noble the da today then odds are scum will do it tonight. We might be in danger of losing here so let’s go slow.

Another reason, Math and NM are my highest trs. Both Herta and Enchant are only looking for DA.

~N

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MathBlade - Noble
Herta
Eiralox - Noble
Polar Bear Express (Noraa & Nancy Drew 39) - Noble
Not_Mafia - Noble
Enchant - Noble
MegAzumarill


Herta or Meg are DA.

Who’s mafia? We know that three players are scum.

~N

I don't want to talk with you.

Well too bad because I want to solve this game and you not engaging with me is antitown on your part whatever you are.

~N

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so let's elim and noble remaining two?

Let’s assume DA between Meg and Herta. I believe this is the common assumption. Late night will verify this later.

Assume we noble Meg and the DA is Herta and we miselim. Then scum likely DA Herta. Mafia gets a one shot dayvig.

We are at 8 alive. Into night 7 alive. DA Herta, they leave. NK someone. 5 alive into day, scum dayvig, we lose.

If you like swap Meg and Herta. If wrong same consequence.

So if we aim to win the game with DA we absolutely have to be sure on scum.

Mainly I am trying to figure out how to proceed in the safest manner possible.

It might be that we don’t try to win via DA. Or if we do try to win via DA we understand and acknowledge the risk as a group.

+1

I totally agree, there’s no reason Mafia couldn’t just hidden nobilize the one who we don’t elect tomorrow and possibly win. And that assumes all of the HN claims are true and we still have no idea wrt NM/Eira, so NM if you were trolling, now’s the time to acknowledge that.

~N

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Solve without me.

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The way I figure assuming DA between Meg/Herta

We miselim -> We DA right -> We win.
We miselim -> We DA wrong -> We lose.

We no elim -> We DA right -> We win.
We no elim -> We DA wrong, scum DA correct -> 8 alive into night, scum NK 6 alive start of day -> no elim again, elo

We elim proper -> No way we lose. Possible chance to outright win on DA.

I guess this boils down to how sure we are on DA pick and elim.

I see what you’re saying but even one vote on DA could mean we lose if wrong. Problem is it’s harder to tell who’s mafia than DA.

I think Mega might be wrong based on Junko’s posting. Can you ISO her and tell me what you think?

~N

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I will be blunt.

NM trolling. Like 99%.

Okay, maybe you are town then but we have 3 scum left, so let’s say I wrongly tr Herta and the other is Mega which I think it definitely could be because she gives me very different vibes here from E/O Killers and I was always suspicious of Junko as well but that’s still only 2 if right. We’re still missing a third scum.

~N

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I will be blunt.

NM trolling. Like 99%.

Okay, maybe you are town then but we have 3 scum left, so let’s say I wrongly tr Herta and the other is Mega which I think it definitely could be because she gives me very different vibes here from E/O Killers and I was always suspicious of Junko as well but that’s still only 2 if right. We’re still missing a third scum.

~N

Wdm 3 scum left?

There's 2 mafia. +DA. And DA is Meg/Herta

DA + 2 mafia=3 scums

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DA techically not scum but ok.

DA 3p who’s wincon opposes town, so yeah.

~N

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DA techically not scum but ok.

DA 3p who’s wincon opposes town, so yeah.

~N

DA can win with town, they need to die for it though and not be nobled. So they don't really techically "Scum".

No they lose if they are ever nobled. A 3p who can hypothetically win with town could be a survivor but both town and mafia wincon contradict DA wincon.

Scum is any player who’s wincon contradicts town.

~N

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And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

You're right I forgot about that.

There are no Nobles, Hidden Nobles, Noble elections, or Hidden Noble appointments during ELo. ELo happens if the game reaches 2:1 or 3:2 and lasts for the rest of the game.

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You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

DA wincon

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You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

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You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.

Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.

~N

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DA probably should be considered scum here since both scum and them want the same thing (today at least) akin to a traitor looks like.

Well yeah, since Mafia can win with or without DA but Town can’t, so don’t know wtf Enchant’s smoking here.

~N

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You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.

Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.

~N

This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.

So I hate that I agree with Enchant.

But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.

We don’t have a choice because we lose if we’re wrong on DA today.

~N

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HEAL: N_M
VOTE: toto
N_M is town this game.
I feel it in my bones

Junko you feel different to how you felt last game
Why?

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

Don’t see why Herta ever kills Elements here.

~N

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Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win conditions:

• You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
• You instantly win if you manage to get the Dark Angel elected as a noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

along with your partner PLAYER.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partners here.
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
• Factional appointment: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may appoint someone as a hidden noble, notifying them that they are such and giving them an extra elimination vote.
• Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

Win condition:

• You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Dark Angel

Welcome!

You are a

Dark Angel

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
• You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Hidden Noble

You have been appointed as a hidden noble for this day. You will have an extra hidden vote. This vote will not appear in vote counts.

Math, I trust you more than me on mech. This is what I’m basing this on.

~N

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VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

I would like to read reason

Your tone feels strange and it seemed like you were posting just for the sake of posting. It’s a weak read but it was all I had.

Thanks I hate it here. And I do this because I have history with N_M

it's ok elmo, junko's post was only 50% serious

-N

Correct, i just wanted to get things going

This post also jumps out as scum wanting external validation for their pro-town behavior.

^miss formated that
How is that looking for external validation?

If i was asking people what they thought about my actions, that would make sense, but polar bear asked that unpromted, so your logic is rubish

Nancy said that unprompted, but your response to it didn’t add anything and just hammers in the point that you’re doing pro-town behavior.

Passenger also sr Junko.

~N

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We shouldn’t rush into anything especially since not everyone’s posted yet. I want to hear from Eiralox (Johnny’s slot).

~N

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I'm kind of disappointed I don't really have much to do here.
Killing/Nobling between me and herta means finding mafia is kinda pointless for me today
Am wondering something

@MOD
Is the scum nightkill mandatory?

Gotta do stuff, I'll check back later

Why is finding mafia pointless?

~N

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If N_M is town he needs to fess up on the hidden noble from yesterday.

+1

Agreed.

I could possibly be wrong on NM, since I think my initial tr on Enchant might be right after all but feel extremely confident on Math!town here.

I don’t like Mega trying to rush the day.

~N

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Official Vote Count 2.04

Elimination

Freedom

(6): JunkoChan, Herta,

Not_Mafia

, Passenger, Enchant

<--HAMMER

Not Voting

(6): Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Toto, JohnnyFarrar, Polar Bear Express, Freedom

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Elmo TeH AzN

(4): Toto, Freedom, JunkoChan, Polar Bear Express

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(6):Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Herta, JohnnyFarrar, Passenger, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-11 09:40:07).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.
  
  
• Will be looking for a replacement for JohnnyFarrar.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

Enchant's claim of hidden noble on Day 2 was true.

Great catch.

So Eira probably also HN.

~N

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We shouldn’t rush this day. If me and Math voted the same player and then anyone could hammer. It’s extremely important we try to get this right.

~Nancy

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Why I asked Math to read Junko ISO is I got the impression she didn’t know who DA was but of course that could have been faked.

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Official Vote Count 3.06

Elimination

Elmo TeH Azn

(6): Toto, JunkoChan, Herta, Not_Mafia,

Elmo TeH AzN

<-HAMMER

Eiralox

(1): Tapiocaphobe

Not Voting

(3): Enchant, Eiralox, Polar Bear Express

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Tapiocaphobe

(5): Eiralox, Polar Bear Express, Herta, Toto, JunkoChan

Polar Bear Express

(2): Tapiocaphobe, Enchant

JunkoChan

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting

(1): Not_Mafia

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-17 10:55:28).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for elimination.
  
  
• Elmo TeH AzN VLA until Tuesday, Toto VLA until Sunday
  
• An elimination has been achieved

Elmo self-voted, so HN can’t be confirmed. :/. Had anyone other than Elmo voted we’d have been able to get proof one way or the other.

~N

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Why I asked Math to read Junko ISO is I got the impression she didn’t know who DA was but of course that could have been faked.

I haven’t played with Junko enough really to make a call.

With the game riding on things I kinda want to be collaborative than “rah rah elim X” since wrong we lose.

+1

That’s why people shouldn’t be voting. And certainly not via coin flip.

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Gun to my head I think Herta is the DA and Meg is trying to look like the DA as scum. But it could just be that Meg actually is the DA and I am drinking too much metaphorical wine.

Well if you do NKA, Junko had reasons to kill Elements and Passenger. I don’t understand Toto unless mafia thought he was on to them or if Mega wanted to wifom maybe?

Elements had Herta as town, so I don’t understand why scum!Herta kills him. Because we know that they can’t be aligned right? So nks probably point to Mega > Herta I think, especially since Junko tried to allegedly “reaction test” me by initially trying to run me up than pocket me.

So I think it’s more likely Herta-DA, Mega-scum between the two of them.

~N

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Gun to my head I think Herta is the DA and Meg is trying to look like the DA as scum. But it could just be that Meg actually is the DA and I am drinking too much metaphorical wine.

Well if you do NKA, Junko had reasons to kill Elements and Passenger. I don’t understand Toto unless mafia thought he was on to them or if Mega wanted to wifom maybe?

Elements had Herta as town, so I don’t understand why scum!Herta kills HER. Because we know that they can’t be aligned right? So nks probably point to Mega > Herta I think, especially since Junko tried to allegedly “reaction test” me by initially trying to run me up than pocket me.

So I think it’s more likely Herta-DA, Mega-scum between the two of them.

~N

Sorry Elements: Them/her.

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Gun to my head I think Herta is the DA and Meg is trying to look like the DA as scum. But it could just be that Meg actually is the DA and I am drinking too much metaphorical wine.

that's my current mindstate, my feels D3 were taht JunkoChan could have had an scum agenda tho. Still way undecided but the fact that there are already two votes on herta is interesting.

Yeah, day just started yesterday and this vote is extremely important and two players trying to rush the day and NM already claimes to sr Herta, so you know he will hammer that.

So we need to do what Math suggested asap I think.

I think me, Math, you are likely town - especially if Herta isn’t mafia and because one of he or Mega has to be DA than I think NKAs points away from Herta being mafia.

So I think I’m leaning rn to heal Herta and vote Mega.

~N

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Also mafia obviously doesn’t want to heal DA for obvious reasons.

Mafia likely trying to rush though Herta lim.

I want NM to acknowledging he was trolling about being HN. Both that + Enchant voting rn due to coin flip are being antitown.

~N

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Day 1

Elimination: Porkens (vt)
Elected Noble: Not_Mafia
Hidden Noble: none

Day 2

Elimination: Freedom (vt)
Elected Noble: Elmo
Hidden Noble: Enchant (confirmed)

Day 3

Elimination: Elmo (vt)
Elected Noble: Mathblade (Tapiocaphobe)
Hidden Noble: Eiralox (unconfirmed)

Day 4

Hidden Noble: PBE (unconfirmed)

Players remaining: Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

Enchant cannot be DA because of Day 2 confirmation. Not_Mafia, Elmo, Mathblade cannot be DA because they were elected nobles.

Not_Mafia claimed Hidden Noble on Days 3 & 4. No one else counter-claimed HN on those days. Not_Mafia has history of trolling, assumption is he's trolling here, but if he's town it sure would help if he'd come clean.

DA pool is Herta, Eiralox, PBE, MegAzurmarill. If you knock out the claimed Hidden Nobles (again N_M could help here), we're left with Herta and Meg as possible DAs.

so assuming Eiralox & PBE were/are truly Hidden Nobles, DA must be Herta or Meg.

Would mafia lie about being a Hidden Noble? Sure, but there's no authentic counterclaim to the unconfirmed claimed HNs (Eiralox & PBE), so, without N_M's help we have to go with a DA pool of Herta and Meg.

The longer N_M is quiet, the more we have to assume he's just scum. Because it's close to game throwing if he's town at this point.

I may not yet be officially confirmed but I think it should be beyond obvious now that I am in fact HN or else someone would have tried to fake CC me by now.

~N

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Why can Eiralox and PBE not be scum? I thought scum could HN themself, and eira was very late to claim HN from what I've heard

I know I’m not. Interesting post, you are pretty much saying that you know for sure that Eira is HN and not NM, where as me and Enchant sound more like we’re likely just assuming that. Hmmm

~N

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The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

How am I a “big hole” to you? No HN CC. But if anyone were to do that, I know they’d be confiscum anyway.

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Gun to my head I think Herta is the DA and Meg is trying to look like the DA as scum. But it could just be that Meg actually is the DA and I am drinking too much metaphorical wine.

Well if you do NKA, Junko had reasons to kill Elements and Passenger. I don’t understand Toto unless mafia thought he was on to them or if Mega wanted to wifom maybe?

Elements had Herta as town, so I don’t understand why scum!Herta kills him. Because we know that they can’t be aligned right? So nks probably point to Mega > Herta I think, especially since Junko tried to allegedly “reaction test” me by initially trying to run me up than pocket me.

So I think it’s more likely Herta-DA, Mega-scum between the two of them.

~N

You're both wrong but I may be able to prove that I am town next phase if I do end up nobled.

I’m listening.

But then who should we vote then because if you’re telling the truth about DA, then it has to be Herta and him still doubting my claim definitely is giving me DA vibes.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

How am I a “big hole” to you? No HN CC. But if anyone were to do that, I know they’d be confiscum anyway.

That's why I have to assume both you and Eiralox are true claiming.

That kind of sounds like a contradiction.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Why can Eiralox and PBE not be scum? I thought scum could HN themself, and eira was very late to claim HN from what I've heard

I know I’m not. Interesting post, you are pretty much saying that you know for sure that Eira is HN and not NM, where as me and Enchant sound more like we’re likely just assuming that. Hmmm

~N

Twisting my words but w/e

Well you sound like you’re assuming Eira claimed late because he’s mafia rather than doubting his HN claim, so I thought it interesting that you did that.

At any rate, you’re not giving me DA vibes as compared to Herta.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

+1

Good point. If you’re not DA Mega, heal yourself. I recommend Herta do the same.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Why can Eiralox and PBE not be scum? I thought scum could HN themself, and eira was very late to claim HN from what I've heard

You didn't put Enchant in there. You _did_ point out that scum could hidden noble their own.

Yeah good take. Why @Mega not including Enchant? And you should unvote because there’s no need to rush the day, Enchant as well.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Why can Eiralox and PBE not be scum? I thought scum could HN themself, and eira was very late to claim HN from what I've heard

I know I’m not. Interesting post, you are pretty much saying that you know for sure that Eira is HN and not NM, where as me and Enchant sound more like we’re likely just assuming that. Hmmm

~N

Twisting my words but w/e

Well you sound like you’re assuming Eira claimed late because he’s mafia rather than doubting his HN claim, so I thought it interesting that you did that.

At any rate, you’re not giving me DA vibes as compared to Herta.

~N

Mafia don't necessarily want to claim HN since they could benefit off of people assuming it's N_M. Therefore they stand to benefit delaying a trueclaim where town does less so

Not sure the context of the claim but could be relevant

But Eira did claim so don’t really see your point?
How does mafia benefit from delay? And I like Enchant claimed right away.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

+1

Good point. If you’re not DA Mega, heal yourself. I recommend Herta do the same.

~N

No
Even in a world we reach tomorrow and I could prove I am town, that's 50/50 odds of just survivng a day only as opposed to winning on the spot

And I'm also awaiting mod feedback of whether I could prove myself anyway.

Herta’s willing to heal himself, why aren’t you? What have you got to lose if you’re telling the truth about not being DA?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

+1

Good point. If you’re not DA Mega, heal yourself. I recommend Herta do the same.

~N

No
Even in a world we reach tomorrow and I could prove I am town, that's 50/50 odds of just survivng a day only as opposed to winning on the spot

And I'm also awaiting mod feedback of whether I could prove myself anyway.

Actually, that’s a valid point. @Herta, shouldn’t you be healing Mega if you’re not DA? While it’s possible that Eira could be lying, I think it’s far less likely then one of you/Mega being DA?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Herta

Not rushing the vote for obvious reasons.

@Mega, who’s scum? @Herta, same question?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Math + PBE have 4 votes, so really it's up to them who dies today.

The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

@Herta explain this?

How can I have 2 votes if I’m not HN?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Oh I forgot to mention, I was hidden noble day 1

How can anyone be HN night 1? Were you trolling us about your HN claim d3 or not?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:
Until I get a proper read through ig

I’m liking Mega now. I’m town, Math seems really town.

If Mega’s town and Eira’s being townier than Enchant with his coin flip nonsense, Idk. \_0_/

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Going to be afk for holiday stuff a bit. Probably can post later.

Mainly have to eventually suck it up and decide the plan I just don’t like that is the situation. I kinda think we are getting lost in the weeds a bit. We have one piece to solve today. The DA. The rest in theory handles itself unless I am missing something.

Gth, I think Herta’s more likely to be DA than Mega. Herta contraidicted himself by saying I get 2 votes, than later saying I’m a “ big hole” for him. Mega not doubting my HN claim and assuming she can win today with Herta heal looks not DA and possibly +town.

Do you agree?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

K

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

Okay now back to thinking Enchant could be town, so who am I wrong about but if Herta’s DA, than Math is right that it doesn’t matter.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

K

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

This is fine.

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

Why don’t you heal Mega if you’re not DA? I really don’t understand what you’re doing?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

K

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

This is fine.

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

If I die and Meg is nobled, town wins. So I'm good either way.

Your vote says otherwise?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Math + PBE have 4 votes, so really it's up to them who dies today.

The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

@Herta explain this?

How can I have 2 votes if I’m not HN?

~N

Official Vote Count 4.00

Elimination

Not Voting

(8):

MathBlade

, Herta, Eiralox, Polar Bear Express, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Not Voting

(7): MathBlade, Herta, Eiralox, Polar Bear Express, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-26 17:52:30).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 8 players alive, 5 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Day 4 Begins!

Nancy, you may be able to see that you have two votes, but I can't. I actually believe your claim, that's why I said that you have two votes. But your claim is not confirmed objectively. I'm not going to pander to you to get a good read from you. It's up to you to think it through.

I know I do because I am hidden noble and the OP says I do. It doesn’t show up unless like Enchant, I’m on the wagon that gets hammered.

No one has CC’d me and you are being objectively antitown to keep saying this.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Your vote says otherwise?

~N

This is frustrating.

You’re frustrated? I’m back now to wondering if DA’s actually Mega now.

[unheal]Herta[/unheal]

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Your vote says otherwise?

~N

This is frustrating.

You’re frustrated? I’m back now to wondering if DA’s actually Mega now.

[unheal]Herta[/unheal]

~N

I think I need to use hurt tags to undo a heal.

HURT: Herta

for now.

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm anti-town for saying I believe your claim?

What is your stance on that exactly? You say you believe it but it’s not officially confirmed which is fine but I have not been CC’d so while not quite on the level of Enchant’s which is officially confirmed, no one has CC’d me similar to Enchant.

If I were lying about being HN - I’m obviously not - someone would have tried to fake CC me by now. So you continuing to doubt me in the absence of any fake CC, yes is worrying me somewhat.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

And in what world is “pandering” looking at the facts - I am unCC’d HN claim. I honestly don’t know what to think rn.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I think Nancy this is one of those times where we don’t wanna brain meat too much.

With flipping one and elimming the other we should at least be insured scum don’t get a day vig.

At worst we have 2 scum elo. At best we win. We can see who scum kill.

With how many miselims there have been seeing who scum kill if we don’t just win outright is the best.

I believe you are the hidden noble Nancy.

I think we learn from who scum kills overnight if it happens.

I agree and I also think if Eira was lying about being HN, NM would probably be pushing him for lying. So yeah, we absolutely need to heal one of them and kill the other.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:

What happens if tie nobility vote.

You already know. Math and I get 2 votes each.

I would say that if any wagon gets to 3 and Math and me ecide we should hammer it, then Math should let me vite since it’s the only way I can be officially confirmed. So I would suggest that Math only votes after I do since his vote will show up regardless of where his vote is but I need to be on majority wagon for mine. I know Math believes me but it would be nice to be able to officially confirm myself if possible.

At any rate I will decide with Math what is probably best.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.

I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.

Math, Noraa thinks you’re both being too nice and too “wishy washy” to quote her. I still think you’re town for your stances which read protown to me but you are not usually this nice to me in any game ever where you know my main. So maybe explain that part and I can dispense with any paranoia on your slot.

[Polar Bear Express]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Who would you say is the partner?

I’ll ask her, she didn’t say.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

Oh nm, Noraa’s now saying she might have been hyperfocused on you Math.

[Polar Bear Express]

my main concern keeps being why scum would put themselves in this situation. i still don't understand the toto kill.

My guess is they were either shooting for the DA, between the Toto/PBE 1v1 OR PBE is scum and wanted Toto silenced after their back and forth.

Page 18 is roughly where the 1v1 started AFAICT
I don't see a resolution that would leave scum!PBE comfortable with Toto alive

Of course NKA is a very powerful and reliable tool though /S

Why would I want to silence a player who hard tr me?

Okay no way this is town.

Mega’s for sure scum.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

I figured out what I don’t like I think.

I don’t like Meg and Herta agree.

It makes me really want to noble Meg and elim Herta.

Mega is definitely scum but nka points more to her being mafia but could be wrong on it.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Herta

VOTE: Mega

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I figured out what I don’t like I think.

I don’t like Meg and Herta agree.

It makes me really want to noble Meg and elim Herta.

I really think Mega’s mafia. NKA points to Mega but not Herta.

Elements and Passenger both hard sr that slot. Toto nk, no idea why. He was my next guess for DA.

I think Herta DA and Mega and probably NM scumteam? because otherwise NM would probably be pushing Eira but I think Mega is obvious scum and I think Herta most likely DA, so we probably win today if I’m right which I think I probably am.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

So to clarify do you think I'm trying to be the noble vote today?

Y/N

I think you have a strategic plan of some kind and are begging for hammers. I don’t know the full plan though.

Scum!Mega loves to wifom you to death. Think of scum!Mega as some third rate used car salesperson.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I figured out what I don’t like I think.

I don’t like Meg and Herta agree.

It makes me really want to noble Meg and elim Herta.

And that’s probably what they want us to think.

Think Math, Herta doesn’t want to be nobled but Mega likely does.

I believe we win today with Herta heal and Mega lim. NKA points to her slot being mafia. DA can’t kill. Elements’, Passenger nks all point to Junko.

At any rate, we guarantee Mafia can’t hidden nobilize DA in either case,

Mega initially scumclaimed by advocating heal/lim on the same player.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Both DA targets dead/Nobled and the my slot being left alive as a more likely to frame as mafia target due to Junko being present in the prior list. Also ties in to Mathblades behavior pretty immensely assuming his partner wanted him to follow through with this for whatever reason. The claim of me as mafia when we could easily walk through why that was unlikely and the feeling of these unnatural, forced reads.

This also means mafia had DA as the least likely possible candidate which is funny af if yrue

I’ll bite why is it “unlikely” you’re mafia when two dead town hard sr your predecessor, who just happens to be the nk, not once but twice?

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:

HURT: Herta

for now because I’m currently not in the best headspace, so probably shouldn’t make rush decisions.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I think you’re wrong but I understand the argument. I am not too attached to my way though as it’s pure gut and haven’t read and to be honest probably won’t have time to.

Actually after sleeping, I reversed my position. Mega is acting super scummy in the hopes that we’ll elim her. Herta otoh, is trying to sound townier, so he’s probably either mafia or town.

I think we should heal Mega and lim Herta, just to be safe. Also Mega hasn’t questioned my being hidden noble but Herta has.

And as you pointed out they’re agreeing which is definitely suss. It’s in both mafia’s and DA’s interest that we lim DA and heal mafia but in case we’re wrong, one of them has to be healed and the other limmed. Also Herta was happy when he thought he might get two votes, someone you wouldn’t expect DA to say but because of:




~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I think you’re wrong but I understand the argument. I am not too attached to my way though as it’s pure gut and haven’t read and to be honest probably won’t have time to.

Actually after sleeping, I reversed my position. Mega is acting super scummy in the hopes that we’ll elim her. Herta otoh, is trying to sound townier, so he’s probably either mafia or town.

I think we should heal Mega and lim Herta, just to be safe. Also Mega hasn’t questioned my being hidden noble but Herta has.

And as you pointed out they’re agreeing which is definitely suss. It’s in both mafia’s and DA’s interest that we lim DA and heal mafia but in case we’re wrong, one of them has to be healed and the other limmed. Also Herta was happy when he thought he might get two votes, someone you wouldn’t expect DA to say but because of:




~N

Going to be working so let me know when you want to pull the trigger.

I forget which way voting had to go to confirm you noble.

I need to be on the wagon that gets hammered.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I forget which way voting had to go to confirm you noble.

eh

why confirm obvious fact

It should be obvious since no CC but there’s been some doubt expressed, so it would be nice to make it official.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Official Vote Count 4.01

Elimination

MegAzumarill

(2): Enchant, Herta

Herta

(1): Polar Bear Express

Not Voting

(5):

MathBlade

, Eiralox, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill,

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

MegAzumarill

(1): Herta

Herta

(1): Enchant

Not Voting

(5): MathBlade, Eiralox, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill, Polar Bear Express

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-26 17:52:30).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 8 players alive, 5 votes are required for elimination.

When I’m convinced, then I’ll vote and you can hammer.

When it comes to a point that nothing more to be gained by waiting any longer. Or I reread the game and lightning suddenly strikes. I think so long as one of them is healed and the other limmed, we’re probably safe because mafia can’t get a daykill.

Rn, leaning heal Mega, lim Herta.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

So then you vote then I vote and I think we are good? Then we just have to make sure elim happens yeah?

5 votes are required to get a hammer, so as long as one vote on whichever, we both vote, then hammer but if three, then my vote will both confirm me and hammer.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Fair enough, as long as we make sure Herta is out of the game one way or another we can discuss this tomorrow

???

What? Did you just DA slip here?

You do realize that if Herta’s DA, there is no tomorrow. Town wins if DA’s nobled.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Fair enough, as long as we make sure Herta is out of the game one way or another we can discuss this tomorrow

???

What? Did you just DA slip here?

You do realize that if Herta’s DA, there is no tomorrow. Town wins if DA’s nobled.

~N

Yeah, but I was referring to you and math wanting to noble me and elim Herta, which does lead to a tomorrow

If you’re town here and not DA, you should want to be limmed and Herta healed. As town you want the DA healed, so game ends in a town win.

Because fypov if you’re not DA, Herta has to be and you don’t just say you want him out of the game. If you’re town you 100% want Herta healed and you limmed.

There’s nothing to sort out in that case.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I don’t like your post. It’s obvious I’m telling the truth about HN here and I find posts suggesting otherwise pretty damned scummy.

No CC and Enchant is now my top townread. Anyone currently doubting I’m HN here is outright scumclaiming imo.

I also wouldn’t be pushing so hard to be on hammered wagon if I was lying here, Duh!

HEAL: Herta

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Herta obviously. It’s also strange to me that he’s so neutral about who’s DA. Like whomever’s NOT DA damn well knows they aren’t.

I also think I’m really obvious town here now and if we’re wrong, probably the most logical Nk so anyone still sr me here is also megasuss.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

You ready to do this? I will go with what you want in the am. I just have this feeling that it should be Meg we noble.

I don’t have a good explanation for it or reason other than my gut says so.

But in the am I will follow you if that’s what you want.

I’m still undecided. I figure actual DA will trip up eventually. So long as we noble one and elim the other, scum doesn’t get a free daykill, it’s probably fine but if we can get it right, obviously preferable.

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm kind of disappointed I don't really have much to do here.
Killing/Nobling between me and herta means finding mafia is kinda pointless for me today
Am wondering something

@MOD
Is the scum nightkill mandatory?

Gotta do stuff, I'll check back later

Because a win condition is reliant on being killed, all eliminations and night kills are mandatory.

Does this remain true after the player with that elimination is dead?

Yes

This exchange reminded me that a wincon for the DA is getting killed prior to being nobled. So I think it's in the interest of the DA to act scummy in order to get eliminated. That may be something that town wants to look out for. I'm still good with my position. I know that Meg is DA, and I want Meg nobled. And if that means I am the elimination so be it because we just win outright. But I'm also good with sharing the win with the DA if you want to noble me and eliminate Meg. That leads us to elo, and I think an elo here is more winnable than not.

Talk about scummy posting. Town!you shouldn’t be okay with winning with DA!Mega. It’s not like DA is a survivor, who’s wincon has 0 bearing on town’s. As town, you don’t want to take a gamble on winning when you’d have a guaranteed win today. Idk if you even realize how scummy this post is. I’m wondering if you could be mafia and Mega DA? Or you DA and Mega town?

At any rate this is an extremely odd response if you’re actually town here.

[Polar Bear Express]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

If I am scum being elimmed I immediately lose since DA is nobled

First one clearly does make sense because that is in the OP. What????

2nd one only puts scum at a great disadvantage but not autolose.

C’mon Mega we know you’re not this terrible at mech. Even I’m better than this at mech and I basically suck at it in general.

[Polar Bear Express]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

I don’t like how you’re locking this in though
It’s most likely but I think town you would be paranoid of the edge cases and still hunt.

If I’m town in whichever between Mega and Herta who’s not DA, I 100% self vote here and not only that, actively encourage votes on me. Because as town I obviously want autowin. This makes me think we’re likely looking at a DA/mafia scenario as opposed to DA town because the clear townie response is to elim me and nobilize the other.

[Polar Bear Express]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

If I am scum being elimmed I immediately lose since DA is nobled

First one clearly does make sense because that is in the OP. What????

2nd one only puts scum at a great disadvantage but not autolose.

C’mon Mega we know you’re not this terrible at mech. Even I’m better than this at mech and I basically suck at it in general.

I'm referring to Math's statements not my own. Why would I say something then immediately say my own words make no sense? Like do you genuinely think I'm actively discrediting myself?

Also what about automatically losing the game is not an autolose. Like.... that's the definition.

Oh sorry then. I’m really out of it. What exactly is your stance then?

[Polar Bear Express]

I think Herta is very likely DA here. I’m trying to decide if Mega’s town or mafia but we probably need to lim her just in case regardless.

Herta’s response is not townie, so if he’s not DA, he’s very likely mafia but I also think he’s trying to look like mafia, which means that gth he’s most likely DA.

If there were any other likely DA candidates left, I’d lean to thinking Herta’s just scum but because it really isn’t, I think he’s most likely DA here. He’s trying way too hard to not sound like DA here.

I would still like to solve Mega before I vote, eventhough I think she needs to be limmed just in case but rn leaning to nobilize obv DA Herta and lim Mega.

I don’t see how Herta isn’t DA after that last post.

[Polar Bear Express]

My stance is the best course of action today is to elim me and noble herta, speaking of

HEAL: Herta

I'm fairly sure I should've been doing this already/ was intending to but I'm not according to last VC

Yeah I don’t think my heal is moving. but still would like your reads before I vote but yeah I think that’s the right course of action.

[Polar Bear Express]

I think Herta is very likely DA here. I’m trying to decide if Mega’s town or mafia but we probably need to lim her just in case regardless.

Herta’s response is not townie, so if he’s not DA, he’s very likely mafia but I also think he’s trying to look like mafia, which means that gth he’s most likely DA.

If there were any other likely DA candidates left, I’d lean to thinking Herta’s just scum but because it really isn’t, I think he’s most likely DA here. He’s trying way too hard to not sound like DA here.

I would still like to solve Mega before I vote, eventhough I think she needs to be limmed just in case but rn leaning to nobilize obv DA Herta and lim Mega.

I don’t see how Herta isn’t DA after that last post.

See I think Herta is trying so hard to seem like DA because Herta is mafia.

I just don’t think Mega sounds like DA to me but I’ll wait. Herta’s not town is my most salient take away. So my problem with your reasons is what necessarily makes Mega DA?

Why can’t Herta be DA?

[Polar Bear Express]

I don’t understand Math why your take is that Herta’s trying to sound like DA because he’s mafia as opposed to DA trying to look like mafia?

Also why is Mega DA?

[Polar Bear Express]

While Mega obviously has to be DA if Herta isn’t, why is she DA by gut? If it weren’t for PoE what else points to her being DA?

Also, who’s Herta’s buddy here?

Yeah I agree Herta sounds desperate but Mega actually doesn’t, so there’s two sides to this equation, which obviously is why is Mega DA?

I’m going to ISO both of their heals yesterday. Junko waffled a lot on healing your slot, so why did she do that if DA?

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You can ISO me for details as I have a headache but it’s more lots of little things that ping me. It’s more a collection of little pings not a case itself.

The DA itself doesn’t have the same desperation except to not be nobled. Herta is putting a lot of reads for someone who doesn’t care.

As for who is Herta’s buddy I have no idea. I honestly have a headache and haven’t done anything vote related here because it’s a 50/50. If there is a tomorrow then I will focus on it. As I said too much setup spec is white noise.

The amount of people on the Herta wagon is sus.

I’m sorry you have a headache but I need a lot more than this to convince me. And of course DA is going to be desperate here, both scum and DA stand to autolose here. Only town wouldn’t be desperate because wrong decision is bad but not necessarily autolose for town.
Also, how can the wagon be suss? If Herta’s mafia here than only one heal can be suss.


I wouldn’t say the amount of people on Herta is necessarily suss but perhaps a sign that I’m actually right because if Herta’s mafia and Mega DA, then most of his wagon is town. And no the setup spec in THIS particular case is absolutely NOT “white noise”.

and considering town can autowin today based on the decision, I don’t understand how you can even say that?

~N

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So Mega put in even more reads, so what’s your point? DA’s objecive is to endgame but as long as they can acheive that, it doesn’t necessarily follow that putting in reads makes someone not DA. And what happened to you being fine with sheeping me? I thought your prior stance is we shouldn’t overthink it?

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Alright so I've caught up

Initial thoughts are that it feels like PBE/ Eirolox contains 1 scum, and the rest contains the other. The slot's have some good, some bad moments but mostly feel somewhat evasive and defensive at points (day 3). I also think considering a PBE HN, the NK tonight makes little sense.

Some of the interactions between the two feel natural which of course "can" be faked but feels unlikely. So probably only one of the two.

Tapioca/Mathblade feels like they could be the partner, but I feel like math/PBE handle this phase differently than they have as a scumteam with 4 votes. Considering they could have ended the day already provided the votes on me AND they would be reading me as DA if they were scum] (because they are pushing the opposite) this combination feels impossible as those would be incompatible.

Other options for the partner include

Not_Mafia - Token here for difficulty reading yada yada and so on. My default choice when I can't find a partner that'd make sense if they are in the game. Unlikely with Eira compared to PBE, due to HN thing, PBE maybe but this feels more town N_M than scum N_M for all that feels are worth.

I believe Enchant is town, in my experience with him he is more reserved in his scum game and this doesn't feel or look like it.

Scum almost certainly will push on the same side of me/Herta as DA today (whichever they think isn't the DA, they do the opposite. If they think DA isn't being nobled they mmay split, so depends I suppose on how close it ends up being.)

This derives my following solves (in order of probability) of
(PBE, N_M) (Mathblade, Eira) (PBE, Eira)

Eira is a bit townier than PBE in my eyes because of a particular post about my slot/ PBE that while false was fairly in line with my thinking reading through about how it was strange.

In either case Herta is DA. I could case reasons why but I don't really wanna so I'm not gonna unless push comes to shove.

Mostly still sticking by this currently

@Mega, in what world do you think I have an even nonzero chance of being mafia here? This post gives me pause because I have real trouble believing your read on me is this terrible. It’s like you’re not even reading my posts.

Gth, I hard agree with you on Enchant and don’t think Eira looks like scum but your read on me so so beyond terrible atp so for you to still stand by this post kind of gives me the heebie jeebies.

I’m actually leaning now to scum!you and Herta!DA. Because your PoE makes the most sense if you’re actually scum here. Because I know I’m not scum and considering you don’t think Eira is either, why are we the two slots you have listed twice?

I don’t believe you think we’re scum here, because you were in E/O Killers as was Enchant and he’s locktowned me. I think both you and Herta are probably scum now and I was actually thinking you might be town before you posted this. But I don’t believe for one nanosecond you either think I’m scum here or buddies with NM and that’s assuming it’s even NM. Last game I played with scum!him, he had me completely bamboozled.

I know it’s not us, definitely not Enchant and probably not Eira. And I think the reasoning for all of that should be beyond obvious. Enchant=officially confirmed HN, us unCCed HN, Eira=very likely real HN based off of NM not pushing him, so you’re solve royally sucks whatever you are.

I think that this take actually sounds informed to me where as Herta’s doesn’t.

VOTE: Mega

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Still willing to sheep you.

You said you’re still making up your mind.

I expressed my opinion, I am just waiting on you to be sure enough in yours I can sheep you.

Mega still sticking by her post sounds informed to me. There’s no way in hell she believes that read. And it’s way too detailed to just be DA. I don’t think Herta sounds informed or he’d have a potential NM buddy referenced.

~N

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Also NKA heavily points to Junko as mafia and points away from Herta. Why does scum!Herta kill Elements who was tr him but heavily sr Junko as was Passenger? And Junko tried to get me run up before I called her out on that being a blatant scumclaim and then she suddenly went way overboard in hardpocketing me similarly to what furtive did to me in Chromavalon.

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UNVOTE:

Why the unvote?

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mod, if the DA dies without becoming a noble is the game over with a DA win, or does the game continue and the DA just leave with the win, or something else?

You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

UNVOTE:

I’m going to temporarily unvote in case Hertz is actually uninformed.

~N

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I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

???

What?

We want to nobilize DA today because that’s autowin for town.

Heal Mega then. Idk wtf you’re doing?

~N

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I still very strongly believe Mega!scum and Herta!DA for the reasons I already stated. I think Mega sounds informed.

Town!Mega would absolutely not be sr me here and I would 100% bet the game on that.

~N

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Alright so I've caught up

Initial thoughts are that it feels like PBE/ Eirolox contains 1 scum, and the rest contains the other. The slot's have some good, some bad moments but mostly feel somewhat evasive and defensive at points (day 3). I also think considering a PBE HN, the NK tonight makes little sense.

Some of the interactions between the two feel natural which of course "can" be faked but feels unlikely. So probably only one of the two.

Tapioca/Mathblade feels like they could be the partner, but I feel like math/PBE handle this phase differently than they have as a scumteam with 4 votes. Considering they could have ended the day already provided the votes on me AND they would be reading me as DA if they were scum] (because they are pushing the opposite) this combination feels impossible as those would be incompatible.

Other options for the partner include

Not_Mafia - Token here for difficulty reading yada yada and so on. My default choice when I can't find a partner that'd make sense if they are in the game. Unlikely with Eira compared to PBE, due to HN thing, PBE maybe but this feels more town N_M than scum N_M for all that feels are worth.

I believe Enchant is town, in my experience with him he is more reserved in his scum game and this doesn't feel or look like it.

Scum almost certainly will push on the same side of me/Herta as DA today (whichever they think isn't the DA, they do the opposite. If they think DA isn't being nobled they mmay split, so depends I suppose on how close it ends up being.)

This derives my following solves (in order of probability) of
(PBE, N_M) (Mathblade, Eira) (PBE, Eira)

Eira is a bit townier than PBE in my eyes because of a particular post about my slot/ PBE that while false was fairly in line with my thinking reading through about how it was strange.

In either case Herta is DA. I could case reasons why but I don't really wanna so I'm not gonna unless push comes to shove.

Mostly still sticking by this currently

@Mega, in what world do you think I have an even nonzero chance of being mafia here? This post gives me pause because I have real trouble believing your read on me is this terrible. It’s like you’re not even reading my posts.

Gth, I hard agree with you on Enchant and don’t think Eira looks like scum but your read on me so so beyond terrible atp so for you to still stand by this post kind of gives me the heebie jeebies.

I’m actually leaning now to scum!you and Herta!DA. Because your PoE makes the most sense if you’re actually scum here. Because I know I’m not scum and considering you don’t think Eira is either, why are we the two slots you have listed twice?

I don’t believe you think we’re scum here, because you were in E/O Killers as was Enchant and he’s locktowned me. I think both you and Herta are probably scum now and I was actually thinking you might be town before you posted this. But I don’t believe for one nanosecond you either think I’m scum here or buddies with NM and that’s assuming it’s even NM. Last game I played with scum!him, he had me completely bamboozled.

I know it’s not us, definitely not Enchant and probably not Eira. And I think the reasoning for all of that should be beyond obvious. Enchant=officially confirmed HN, us unCCed HN, Eira=very likely real HN based off of NM not pushing him, so you’re solve royally sucks whatever you are.

I think that this take actually sounds informed to me where as Herta’s doesn’t.

VOTE: Mega

I guess by the same logic of why you aren't likely to be DA tracks for mafia. Why would scum HN one of their own instead of the DA pool if they are lowering it with a kill anyway.
But you seem to be treating HNs are conftown here which isn't the case according to Mod.


I don't think your play is strictly from town you here, particularly earlier days feel defensive and today felt twisty with words. I'm not as sure but I do wonder why you don't think Eira and Enchant is scum besides them being HNs

Because I KNOW I’m town and that means scum is obviously looking for DA. I don’t think that’s exactly rocket science.

~N

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I don't see how that relates to my previous post

Are you being deliberately obtuse or something? I know I’m town and was HN’d, so how isn’t it logical to you why I’d assume the same would also make sense for Enchant and Eira?

Mafia hoped I was DA and that they’d get a free daykill, they were obviously very wrong.

~N

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I think Math is right about something. Mega and Herta definitely look like they’re on the same page here and it looked my voting Mega sent him into a panic, so he unvoted so we couldn’t end the day.

I think Mega=scum, Herta=DA. No reason for non-DA!Herta to unvote here but I’ll wait just in case since I also get the sense that Mega’s going out of her way to provoke me.

~N

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I almost think that both of them are in a contest about who can look scumlier. Neither reaction is townie. One mafia, other DA and I think that Mega sounds the more informed of the two.

Herta suddenly unvoting Mega right after I voted her pretty much confirms I’m probably right and Mega arguing that I have even a snowball’s chance of being scum here when she’s been apparently agreeing with me about Herta being DA is disingenuous af.

~N

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I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

Weird stuff to throw out since you'd be asking this question exponentially earlier if you actually didn't know and were town

Humour me Mega, given that you’re insisting that Herta’s DA and I was healing him and voting you and knowing that’s according to you if true, an autowin for town, how do you think it makes even an iota of sense for me to be scum here? Because it’s against the ruies to play against wincon. That’s how I know you’re lying about that.

~N

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I don't see how that relates to my previous post

Are you being deliberately obtuse or something? I know I’m town and was HN’d, so how isn’t it logical to you why I’d assume the same would also make sense for Enchant and Eira?

Mafia hoped I was DA and that they’d get a free daykill, they were obviously very wrong.

~N

Alright but here's the thin
I don't know for certain any of those three players are town

So whether or not you have an assumption that other HN players are town, why would I make any of those same assumptions? I'd argue that's not really a good assumption but it's at least not an obvious one

I know I’m town and mafia HN’d me, so it’s obvious they were looking for DA. Since I’m the last HN here, it really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me that the same wouldn’t apply to both of them? If mafia were looking to hide DA then they obviously wouldn’t have nobilized me. So the most logical assumption is that mafia has probably been DA hunting the entire game.

~N

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I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

Weird stuff to throw out since you'd be asking this question exponentially earlier if you actually didn't know and were town

Humour me Mega, given that you’re insisting that Herta’s DA and I was healing him and voting you and knowing that’s according to you if true, an autowin for town, how do you think it makes even an iota of sense for me to be scum here? Because it’s against the ruies to play against wincon. That’s how I know you’re lying about that.

~N

You are right it's kinda irrelevant since you are being correct for a town win anyway, but there's worlds where you are scum that read me as actual DA and I don't really take kindly to being called scum for what I consider pretty bad reasons.

Why are those bad reasons? And you still have addressed why you have me and Eira listed twice and NM and Math only once. I think your reads are much more extremely detailed than Herta’s and I don’t see why you’re sr me reasoning for thinking you’re scum here. Math is the one trying to argue the converse here, not me but you’re focusing on me more, why?

While HN isn’t an automatic inno, it’s pretty damned close. and you have two HN claims as more likely to be mafia than two non HN claims - well NM’s one is most likely a troll.

Point is that if you’re not DA than you know Herta is and you should be locking me as town for that reason alone - if you’re actually town here.

~N

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*nods*

So you agree with me then? I think Herta unvoting Mega suddenly like that probably means I’m right about him being DA and Mega mafia.

Because both of our votes + Herta’s mean autowin for town I think, so probably is Herta DA and Mega/NM scum. NM usually pushes his buddy too in a lot of his scumgames and both were hard sr the other or rather Junko.

~N

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VOTE: Mega

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UNVOTE:

mod, if the DA dies without becoming a noble is the game over with a DA win, or does the game continue and the DA just leave with the win, or something else?

I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

@Math if you sheeped me on both Herta/Mega than Herta becomes nobilized and Mega’s limmed and Herta was obviously panicked about that.

If Herta’s mafia why would be panicked about that? Because fhpov if he’s mafia not DA, he wants to be the one who’s nobilized and not Mega.

~N

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I don’t think Herta is panicked. I think Herta is playing panicked.

You remember Heroes right?

That game was all about pretending things were cozy when we were about to dayvig them until we had to audible.

Herta gives me the same vibes. It’s just so way overdone.

Math, if Herta’s mafia, he doesn’t unvote Mega here, it’s what he wants, because he’s the one being nobilized.

~N

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I don’t think Herta is panicked. I think Herta is playing panicked.

You remember Heroes right?

That game was all about pretending things were cozy when we were about to dayvig them until we had to audible.

Herta gives me the same vibes. It’s just so way overdone.

He knows we both have two votes and you can hammer him as DA. Are you for real?

~N

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I still don't track your logic on why you think I should be locking you as town, and your insistance on me being able to is frustrating.
It's bad reasoning because I, as town, see you saying that me, as town, should be obviously seeing something that I am not obviously seeing. You are contradicting reality, more than just a wrong conclusion, but the wrong assumption town!me should've seen this because I don't.

Like I'm trying to have a fairly civil discourse here but you aren't really adressing my concerns WHY is HN close to conftown, or WHY you should be conftown if herta is DA. I don't see the reasoning for your claims that are actually compelling in any way shape or form.

Eira and you are listed twice because you appear twice in my list of scumteam, at least when I listed them back then.
This persistance is making me reconsider a bit as it feels more towny than not. I'd suppose that's leave something like a N_M Mathblade as the most likely? Fairly irrelevant.

I’m currently healing the player you’re insisting is DA which if true is an autotown win. If you think I’m mafia doing that then I’m going to catch a ban for playing against wincon.

~N

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I wonder if mafia!Herta DA PBE could in theory make sense
I'll sleep on it

No you don’t. I’m doing what you claimed to want and suddenly I’m DA? Why has no one CC’d me then? Like there’s no way in hell you’re town here.

~N

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And I can be officially confirmed not to be DA if you get hammered, so nice try with that.

~N

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I still don't track your logic on why you think I should be locking you as town, and your insistance on me being able to is frustrating.
It's bad reasoning because I, as town, see you saying that me, as town, should be obviously seeing something that I am not obviously seeing. You are contradicting reality, more than just a wrong conclusion, but the wrong assumption town!me should've seen this because I don't.

Like I'm trying to have a fairly civil discourse here but you aren't really adressing my concerns WHY is HN close to conftown, or WHY you should be conftown if herta is DA. I don't see the reasoning for your claims that are actually compelling in any way shape or form.

Eira and you are listed twice because you appear twice in my list of scumteam, at least when I listed them back then.
This persistance is making me reconsider a bit as it feels more towny than not. I'd suppose that's leave something like a N_M Mathblade as the most likely? Fairly irrelevant.

I’m currently healing the player you’re insisting is DA which if true is an autotown win. If you think I’m mafia doing that then I’m going to catch a ban for playing against wincon.

~N

That assumes you, as mafia, know who DA is

If mafia was good at that DA wouldve been HNed long ago

I think it’s blatantly beyond obvious to me now that Herta’s DA and Mega’s mafia. If Mega was DA here, she’d be 100% onboard here.

~N

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I don’t think Herta is panicked. I think Herta is playing panicked.

You remember Heroes right?

That game was all about pretending things were cozy when we were about to dayvig them until we had to audible.

Herta gives me the same vibes. It’s just so way overdone.

He knows we both have two votes and you can hammer him as DA. Are you for real?

~N

I am.

So that’s exactly what mafia!Herta would want, so how do you get smokescreen from any of that? Only DA!Herta would here and Mega’s practically pulling anything out of her ass that can stick to either sr or DA read me. If Mega’s DA she ought to be thrilled here yet both Heta and Mega don’t like my heal and vote. Hmmmm . . .

~N

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I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

Weird stuff to throw out since you'd be asking this question exponentially earlier if you actually didn't know and were town

Humour me Mega, given that you’re insisting that Herta’s DA and I was healing him and voting you and knowing that’s according to you if true, an autowin for town, how do you think it makes even an iota of sense for me to be scum here? Because it’s against the ruies to play against wincon. That’s how I know you’re lying about that.

~N

You are right it's kinda irrelevant since you are being correct for a town win anyway, but there's worlds where you are scum that read me as actual DA and I don't really take kindly to being called scum for what I consider pretty bad reasons.

... It's wrong on different levels.

If you think she is scum thinking you are DA, and you are not DA, then

why

you complain?

+1

@Mega why haven’t you responded to this?

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It looks to me that suddenly Mega’s gone into scum!overdrive after I voted her and healed Herta. Neither is happy with my vote.

And Math I honestly don’t remember that much about a what is a 3 year old game now?

~N

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UNVOTE:

Actually thinking about it, I could see this as an attempt on Herta’s part to get you to hammer.

~N

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At any rate, since both are so obviously scum now, I’d say I’m pretty damned certain Eira was HN’d now. And I guess I could possibly see both Elements and Passenger correctly reading Junko as scum but the wrong one. My fear is that Herta really did panic and Mega is legit unhappy with my vote but at least we now have confirmation that’s she’s not town or even trying to pretend to be.

~N

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At any rate, since both are so obviously scum now, I’d say I’m pretty damned certain Eira was HN’d now. And I guess I could possibly see both Elements and Passenger correctly reading Junko as scum but the wrong one. My fear is that Herta really did panic and Mega is legit unhappy with my vote but at least we now have confirmation that’s she’s not town or even trying to pretend to be.

~N

I think at the end of the day we have to pull the trigger one way or the other and nobling Meg gives us the win and elimming Herta is the best bet. Could I be wrong? Sure. It’s why I want to get my feels out to you then whenever you say you’re sure go. In any way forward it’s just a game.

I was sure and that’s why figuring out who’s Herta’s buddy is could be helpful if you’re right or Mega’s if you’re wrong. So if we can find the buddy of either, it would obviously be very helpful. RN it does definitely look like both of them want us to think Mega!scum and Herta!DA, so you could possibly be right but I could also see the converse as well. \_0_/

~N

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HEAL: Polar Bear Express

Are you paying any attention to the game at all?

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Gun to my head, NM or Enchant. They both feel really lassezfaire about events atm.

When I was scum with NM he legit forgot he needed to submit a kill and lack of posting could be dude forgot about the game.

Enchant’s content is pretty lacking. It feels defeated.

I would need to do a VCA for which but one of those two is my best bet for Meg’s partner.

Didn’t you say you thought Herta was mafia and Mega DA? I still lean to the opposite of that.

~N

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HEAL: Polar Bear Express

Are you paying any attention to the game at all?

No

Clearly.

[Polar Bear Express]

Hey Math why you goating NM in healing Meg.

Because I think Meg is the DA.

NM not wanting to heal DA is sus.

Since NM doesn’t usually listen to traditional arguments goading him is a good reaction test.

So Meg and NM probably the scum team.

Mega can’t be DA and mafia, what?

You mean Herta don’t you?

~N

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Hey Math why you goating NM in healing Meg.

Because I think Meg is the DA.

So Meg and NM probably the scum team.

THESE CAN'T BE IN ONE POST

I merged thoughts

Meg is the DA and Herta and NM scum team.

I was so focused on Meg I wrote her name twice

MathBlade.exe has crashed

lmfaoooo

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VOTE: Herta

HEAL: Polar Bear Express

I am not voting with Herta

HEAL: Polar Bear Express

Are you paying any attention to the game at all?

No

Actually you are or why the strong stance on Herta?

~N

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What do I provide if not entertainment?

lol. Anyway, I’m thinking that Herta may actually be confused about DA role pm which probably means you could be right.

Both of them acted hella weird after I voted Mega, especially Mega, like she was alpost trying to bait me into thinking she was DA.

But I think if you’re right that NM is a buddy then is his vote on Herta a ploy to throw us off? I do agree that NM definitely looks like the likeliest buddy to whichever of Mega/Herta is mafia.

He healed me but voted Herta which obviously means he is paying attention but wants you to believe otherwise because of healing me and Mega jumped on me for thinking all of the HNs are probably town.

But yeah NM is extremely likely to be other scum based on his most recent posts.

He proved that with his vote on Herta but no heal on either Herta or Mega. And it actually makes sense because he put 2 votes on Junko and Junko tried to get him limmed.

Junko/Mega and Herta have all called NM scum and NM voted Junko when he was elected noble but is now voting Herta calling him scum. He doesn’t want to heal Mega but doesn’t want to vote her either because he’s probably hoping that if Herta gets both nobilized and limmed, he maybe still gets his free daykill while possibly achieving towncred by limming his buddy. NM apparently thinks we’re idiots or something.

HEAL: Mega

I will vote Herta once we’re ready to end the day but rn we need 2 more heals on Mega I think because our double votes only affect the vote I think but not the heals, so we don’t have enough heals rn to nobilze Mega.

~N

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Actually 3 more. Between us, 1 Herta vote and 3 Mega heals I believe.

~N

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Realistically you just need plurality since after Herta is elimmed they can no longer be nobled

I guess i'll see yall tomorrow then

Lol, why did you suddenly act super scummy right after I voted you when my heal was on Herta? But you’re actually right about that, we don’t need a majority on heals only on votes.

Scum!NM gave it away because in this scenario, scum would rather sacrifice his buddy than DA but he healed us, rather than either of you.

~N

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Because if you're arguing I'm DA today then it's because I'm acting like DA which is not how mafia acts.

You’re not acting like town and NM healed us not either of you, so NM is now confiscum and both NM and Junko were trying to get the other limmed.

@Math I want to do some ISOs especially on NM/Junko just to be certain. Because NM did hardbus his buddy on d1 of Diffusion of Power, so I especially want to see if either NM or Junko was ever in actual danger. Both were pushing each other, so knowing NM is confiscum gives us new info, so I just want to check that out first.

~N

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Realistically you just need plurality since after Herta is elimmed they can no longer be nobled

I guess i'll see yall tomorrow then

Lol, why did you suddenly act super scummy right after I voted you when my heal was on Herta? But you’re actually right about that, we don’t need a majority on heals only on votes.

Scum!NM gave it away because in this scenario, scum would rather sacrifice his buddy than DA but he healed us, rather than either of you.

~N

See you say I'm acting scummy but where?
Because I didn't have you as locktown? That feels petty and arbitrary and frankly if you continue to insist I'm scum tomorrow and you are town, we deserve to lose and I'm going to engage with it past that. It isn't worth the effort

You keep flipflopping between sounding off the charts scummy to sounding quite townie but your play last night - right after I healed Herta and voted you, makes 0 sense if you’re town here. There’s 0 reason for you to have been doubting I was locktown after that and suddenly despite the lack of any CC on my HN claim, you suddenly pivoted to my being DA. I’m not a complete idiot.

~N

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Because if you're arguing I'm DA today then it's because I'm acting like DA which is not how mafia acts.

You’re not acting like town and NM healed us not either of you, so NM is now confiscum and both NM and Junko were trying to get the other limmed.

@Math I want to do some ISOs especially on NM/Junko just to be certain. Because NM did hardbus his buddy on d1 of Diffusion of Power, so I especially want to see if either NM or Junko was ever in actual danger. Both were pushing each other, so knowing NM is confiscum gives us new info, so I just want to check that out first.

~N

Consider the world where Me/Herta is DA/Town. and N_M's play makes more sense

If either one of you were town, you would have self-voted and healed the other because town in either yours or Herta’s situation wants DA nobilized for autowin.

Neither of you did that. Neither of you acted like you’d expect town to do in this setup.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Because if you're arguing I'm DA today then it's because I'm acting like DA which is not how mafia acts.

You’re not acting like town and NM healed us not either of you, so NM is now confiscum and both NM and Junko were trying to get the other limmed.

@Math I want to do some ISOs especially on NM/Junko just to be certain. Because NM did hardbus his buddy on d1 of Diffusion of Power, so I especially want to see if either NM or Junko was ever in actual danger. Both were pushing each other, so knowing NM is confiscum gives us new info, so I just want to check that out first.

~N

Cool. Standing by.

@Meg - It is. I have a 50/50 and I believe in the way I have picked. At some point you just have to pick because you can wine yourself into no elim which is very very bad. If I am right *yay we win* if not then just a game and try again in elo or if you’re scum an extra day.

If you believe in it you can hammer Herta rather than waiting on passing blame to PBE if you are wrong.

FYPOV they should be able to be scum and I really dislike your willingness to blindly sheep the slot.

You say you've made up your mind then commit to it.

You say it's a 50/50 expect me to do everything in my power to convince you to acheive my win con regardless of if I am Town, Mafia, or DA. That is how I play especially in Elo scenarios. That's how I play here, as town

Again you’re being scummy. And if you were actually town here who thinks Herta’s DA because there’s no logical reason for you to doubt my HN claim or any of the other HN claims, you would have townlocked me for healing Herta and voting you. In E/O Killers, your thought process was actually logical and here it’s clearly not. I don’t believe you’re anywhere this terrible at reading me here if you’re town because your read on me completely defies all logic.

I am also well out of my scumrange here and that should also be obvious to town!you after that game. It obviously is to Enchant. So I think your read on me is fake and you’re either DA or mafia here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

And DA Meg acts exactly like Town meg here, so your argument even if valid reasoning [which it isn't] doesn't hold

How tf am I supposed to know what DA!Mega acts like? I’ve never played this setup before and have no idea how you’d play. All I know is if there’s town in either you/Herta and I’m that townie, I self-vote and heal the other one for town autowin.

I’m unCCed HN and I didn’t nobilze myself. Enchant officially confirmed HN and since NM scumclaimed, Eira is very likely also HN.

If you’re town you would assume logically that Herta has to be DA from that and would 100% have townlocked me for healing Herta and voting you. The fact that you’re still hardpushing me after that and especially pivoting to my being DA when I can literally prove that and now you’re encouraging Math to vote Herta, so that I’m unable to prove I’m not DA is hella scummy. There’s 0 reason to do that if you’re actually town here, none. Town!you would want me to prove my claim not try to prevent me from doing so.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Because if you're arguing I'm DA today then it's because I'm acting like DA which is not how mafia acts.

You’re not acting like town and NM healed us not either of you, so NM is now confiscum and both NM and Junko were trying to get the other limmed.

@Math I want to do some ISOs especially on NM/Junko just to be certain. Because NM did hardbus his buddy on d1 of Diffusion of Power, so I especially want to see if either NM or Junko was ever in actual danger. Both were pushing each other, so knowing NM is confiscum gives us new info, so I just want to check that out first.

~N

Cool. Standing by.

@Meg - It is. I have a 50/50 and I believe in the way I have picked. At some point you just have to pick because you can wine yourself into no elim which is very very bad. If I am right *yay we win* if not then just a game and try again in elo or if you’re scum an extra day.

If you believe in it you can hammer Herta rather than waiting on passing blame to PBE if you are wrong.

FYPOV they should be able to be scum and I really dislike your willingness to blindly sheep the slot.

You say you've made up your mind then commit to it.

You say it's a 50/50 expect me to do everything in my power to convince you to acheive my win con regardless of if I am Town, Mafia, or DA. That is how I play especially in Elo scenarios. That's how I play here, as town

I have made up my mind.

However I townread PBE and want her to be set in the case I am wrong.

+1

And it’s scummy af that Mega’s seeking to prevent this.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Because if you're arguing I'm DA today then it's because I'm acting like DA which is not how mafia acts.

You’re not acting like town and NM healed us not either of you, so NM is now confiscum and both NM and Junko were trying to get the other limmed.

@Math I want to do some ISOs especially on NM/Junko just to be certain. Because NM did hardbus his buddy on d1 of Diffusion of Power, so I especially want to see if either NM or Junko was ever in actual danger. Both were pushing each other, so knowing NM is confiscum gives us new info, so I just want to check that out first.

~N

Cool. Standing by.

@Meg - It is. I have a 50/50 and I believe in the way I have picked. At some point you just have to pick because you can wine yourself into no elim which is very very bad. If I am right *yay we win* if not then just a game and try again in elo or if you’re scum an extra day.

If you believe in it you can hammer Herta rather than waiting on passing blame to PBE if you are wrong.

FYPOV they should be able to be scum and I really dislike your willingness to blindly sheep the slot.

You say you've made up your mind then commit to it.

You say it's a 50/50 expect me to do everything in my power to convince you to acheive my win con regardless of if I am Town, Mafia, or DA. That is how I play especially in Elo scenarios. That's how I play here, as town

Again you’re being scummy. And if you were actually town here who thinks Herta’s DA because there’s no logical reason for you to doubt my HN claim or any of the other HN claims, you would have townlocked me for healing Herta and voting you. In E/O Killers, your thought process was actually logical and here it’s clearly not. I don’t believe you’re anywhere this terrible at reading me here if you’re town because your read on me completely defies all logic.

I am also well out of my scumrange here and that should also be obvious to town!you after that game. It obviously is to Enchant. So I think your read on me is fake and you’re either DA or mafia here.

~N

Healing Herta isn't a clear, regardless of their alignment

I will die on this hill

One of you has to be DA, so in what world is that not a clear to you if you’re town? Stop insulting my intelligence with this. My only doubt is which scum you are but I lean DA. Because it’s in both mafia’s and DA’s interest that actual DA doesn’t get healed. You not only doubting my unCCed HN claim but trying to persuade Math to not let me prove it, is especially scummy.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

And DA Meg acts exactly like Town meg here, so your argument even if valid reasoning [which it isn't] doesn't hold

How tf am I supposed to know what DA!Mega acts like? I’ve never played this setup before and have no idea how you’d play. All I know is if there’s town in either you/Herta and I’m that townie, I self-vote and heal the other one for town autowin.

I’m unCCed HN and I didn’t nobilze myself. Enchant officially confirmed HN and since NM scumclaimed, Eira is very likely also HN.

If you’re town you would assume logically that Herta has to be DA from that and would 100% have townlocked me for healing Herta and voting you. The fact that you’re still hardpushing me after that and especially pivoting to my being DA when I can literally prove that and now you’re encouraging Math to vote Herta, so that I’m unable to prove I’m not DA is hella scummy. There’s 0 reason to do that if you’re actually town here, none. Town!you would want me to prove my claim not try to prevent me from doing so.

~N

DA!Me, at least today (which is all I've played) wins if Herta is healed and I am elimmed. The same is true for town me.

The difference, I suppose, is Town Me doesn't just need to be elimmed but to have herta nobled as well.
Assume I vote myself, and heal herta. If scum healed someone else (say, you) and then hammered me, they could shift plurality with both their votes (in some situations). Therefore I don't want to self vote but I will self hammer because scum cannot shift nobility plurality after i am hammered

Also
Herta (clap) being (clap) healed (clap) is (clap) not (clap) a (clap) clear! (clap)
Please don't bring it up again.

Once again, one of you has to be DA and if it’s not you, it absolutely is a clear. But you’re right, why am I arguing with obvscum?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I actually missed that you being on the wagon could confirm you as HN.
Makes more sense now

You’re an expert at mech, how would you not realize that?

If you’re town, you’re entire push on me makes absolutely no sense so no I don’t believe you, especially after you decided to doubt my unCCed HN claim.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

How is it a clear? You haven't explained it. How is healing a player from scum!you's POV that may or may not be DA a clear?

May or may not?

There is no may or may not. One of you has to be DA and your response to this continues to scream obvscum.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

The fact you can't seem to process that probably means you're town, but stop pushing healing Herta as clearing fmpov it's not

One of you has to be DA and if it’s not you, of course it’s clearing.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Like explain to me how you know who DA is exactly as scum

The fact you can't seem to process that probably means you're town, but stop pushing healing Herta as clearing fmpov it's not

One of you has to be DA and if it’s not you, of course it’s clearing.

~N

You quoted me so???

[Polar Bear Express]

If it’s not you, fypov you know it’s Herta. You also know if you’re not DA that a Herta nobilize wins town the game, so in what world would town!you not view that as clearing?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Like explain to me how you know who DA is exactly as scum

Everyone but you and Herta has either been elected or made hidden noble. I know I am, Enchant’s officially confirmed, if Eira had lied, NM would have been pushing him. Therefore, no other possibilities for DA - other than you or Herta exist.

That’s why town!you should have lockcleared me for my Herta heal/you vote.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Like explain to me how

you

know who DA is

exactly

as scum

Idk why you keep quoting this. I’ve already explained that no one other than you/Herta can be DA atp.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Like explain to me how

you

know who DA is

exactly

as scum

Idk why you keep quoting this. I’ve already explained that no one other than you/Herta can be DA atp.

~N

I don't doubt you on this. Exact means one person. Tell me how you could determine that I am exactly VT and Herta is exactly DA.

You’re not acting like vt here. You’re acting like scum. I’m just not sure which or I’d vote already.

I already explained what vt you would do here. You know whatever you are that electing DA wins town the game and since one of you has to be DA, if you were town, you would have lockckeared for my Herta heal/you vote. The fact that you were arguing with me yesterday and pushing me and now trying to persuade me otherwise makes no sense. You had your chance to prove you were town yesterday but you blew it.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Like explain to me how you know who DA is exactly as scum

Everyone but you and Herta has either been elected or made hidden noble. I know I am, Enchant’s officially confirmed, if Eira had lied, NM would have been pushing him. Therefore, no other possibilities for DA - other than you or Herta exist.

That’s why town!you should have lockcleared me for my Herta heal/you vote.

~N

If Eira lied and NM is scum then technically NM has no reason to push Eira when they can hidden noble him tomorrow. I don’t believe that world but that is factually false.

Well that’s true but I don’t believe Eira lied because why would scum have hidden nobilized me then? But I would think it logical for scum!NM to have pushed Eira because it looks scummy af for him to not do that but then we’re talking about NM, so anything’s possible, I guess but I don’t think Eira lied because NM was already elected noble and he renounced his claim.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

So in that case, I would be VT, you would be scum, and Herta would be DA, and you would want to heal Herta?

Town autowins, scum auto loses if we nobilize DA. So no it’s not possible that or remotely conceivable that I play against wincon and risk getting banned.

[Polar Bear Express]

Like explain to me how you know who DA is exactly as scum

Everyone but you and Herta has either been elected or made hidden noble. I know I am, Enchant’s officially confirmed, if Eira had lied, NM would have been pushing him. Therefore, no other possibilities for DA - other than you or Herta exist.

That’s why town!you should have lockcleared me for my Herta heal/you vote.

~N

If Eira lied and NM is scum then technically NM has no reason to push Eira when they can hidden noble him tomorrow. I don’t believe that world but that is factually false.

Well that’s true but I don’t believe Eira lied because why would scum have hidden nobilized me then? But I would think it logical for scum!NM to have pushed Eira because it looks scummy af for him to not do that but then we’re talking about NM, so anything’s possible, I guess but I don’t think Eira lied because NM was already elected noble and he renounced his claim.

~N

Like I said I don’t believe in the world but it is possible.

I’m still not entirely sure what Mega’s doing here. I think one of them has to be DA and NM healed Mega and voted Herta, so I’m once again questioning that.

I think Herta’s definitely scum but if he’s DA then isn’t NM gamethrowing? I suppose he could be trying to throw me off with that?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Tell me what's wrong here

Have I forgotten to account of your omniscience and that you could never be wrong?

I’m not confident which of you is DA and I don’t know why you’re trying to convince me I’m scum. I want to nobilize whichever one of you is DA. I think that’s beyond obvious atp.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

NM literally forgot to send in a kill when I was traitor and I was stuck scrambling because Titus was the protective and blocked no one. Never discount lazy not mafia.

I just don’t understand wtf Mega’s trying to do here. Fhpov if town, it ought to be a slam dunk Herta’s DA. What’s crazy to me is that she actually sounds completely sincere not making even an iota of sense here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Why does Nancy have to prove to scum they’re not scum?

That seems fruitless and a waste of time. If we elim you and you are town we can solve it tomorrow.

This fight is a big blow up over nothing.

Well Mega hasn’t disputed my argument that she or Herta have to be DA, so if she’s town and capable of logical thought, she 100% should have cleared me yesterday, so I don’t see how she can possibly be town here with that mega absurd argument. She would also know that I’m playing nothing here like I did in E/O Killers so her push on me is faked because I don’t believe town!Mega is this terrible at seeing obvious logic.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Not because I think Nancy is scum, it's because Nancy thinks I should 100% know she is town, and because I am saying I don't, she is saying I cannot be town

If you’re town and it’s beyond obvious that fypov Herta has to be DA then why wouldn’t town!you have lockcleared me after my Herta heal/you vote?

The only thing I struggle with is you sound really sincere despite making no sense.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HURT: Mega

I’m not sure Herta’s not the DA.

[Polar Bear Express]

HURT: Mega

I’m not sure Herta’s not the DA.

You’ve got to be kidding me

HURT: Meg

Idk what to think, it’s just that Mega sounds so sincere eventhough what she’s saying doesn’t make sense. Like could she be this good at faking this?

Herta otoh doesn’t sound credible at all, eventhough ironically he’s making way more sense but him wanting to win with DA is a scumclaim whatever he is.

I just want to do the ISO checks because I want to get this right.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

NM literally forgot to send in a kill when I was traitor and I was stuck scrambling because Titus was the protective and blocked no one. Never discount lazy not mafia.

While this is definitely possible, he did heal Mega and vote Herta, so sure it’s possible he could be throwing me off with that and it’s also possible it’s what he wants me to think.

Your argument is based off of something to do with Heroes that I can’t even remember that Herta did a smokescreen or something but what if he just did outright panic at being healed? I don’t think, it’s at all clear that’s impossible.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Not because I think Nancy is scum, it's because Nancy thinks I should 100% know she is town, and because I am saying I don't, she is saying I cannot be town

If you’re town and it’s beyond obvious that fypov Herta has to be DA then why wouldn’t town!you have lockcleared me after my Herta heal/you vote?

The only thing I struggle with is you sound really sincere despite making no sense.

~N

Because the below scenario, puts you as scum, trying to play to your win condition, doing exactly that.

So in that case, I would be VT, you would be scum, and Herta would be DA, and you would want to heal Herta?

Town autowins, scum auto loses if we nobilize DA. So no it’s not possible that or remotely conceivable that I play against wincon and risk getting banned.

Then where in the logical flow is my error?

Like explain to me how

you

know who DA is

exactly

as scum

Idk why you keep quoting this. I’ve already explained that no one other than you/Herta can be DA atp.

~N

I don't doubt you on this. Exact means one person. Tell me how you could determine that I am exactly VT and Herta is exactly DA.

And if you can't isn't it possible you may think I am DA even if I am truly VT?

So in that case, I would be VT, you would be scum, and Herta would be DA, and you would want to heal Herta?

If you cannot show where this falls apart your argument for what I should do as VT falls apart.

So show me

@PBE is this wrong?

I don’t understand any of this but what I’m struggling with is that you sound really sincere. Math thinks there’s some logic to it, I can’t see it but I’m very good at tone reading and I’m not convinced you could fake this level of sincerity.

Maybe I’m wrong and you’re actually capable of doing just that but I can’t get past how sincere you’re sounding rn and we have 5 days to get this right. So I’d rather be more confident.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Herta

VOTE: Mega

Eira’s case is very compelling and since along with Enchant is one of my strongest trs, I’m inclined to trust it, especially because it makes more sense than probably anything else I’ve read so far about it.

I also think that one scum in NM/Math if Mega’s scum and if Mega’s town, possibly both, I don’t believe scum!NM is that bad as scum that he plays against wincon. Making the suboptimal heal/vote according to Math really isn’t the same as forgetting to submit an NK.

However what really gives me pause is that Mega really isn’t trying to distance between her and either NM/Math which is what you’d probably expect if she’s a buddy of either but knowing what I do of NM’s play as either alignment, he’s extremely unlikely to effort much and he’s my most confident sr, either with Mega or Math, so I think we probably win outright with Herta noble but I just can’t see scum in any of the HNs. Enchant doesn’t seem to have any agenda either way and was willing to heal/vote either one of Herta/Mega and I just can’t see Eira’s recent posts ever coming from scum.

So by the very fact that BOTH NM/Math are good with the converse, I think this is the right call.

So based on both NM and Math wanting Mega heal/Herta elim, makes me agree with what Eira’s saying here. So I think I’m good with this.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

And where is your ISO hunting?

This feels like you’re being contrary for the sake of it.

I did but why are you not weighing in on Eira’s posts? And how am I doing that? Didn’t you say you’d sheep me?

I trust Eira more than you and he’s making a lot of sense so what exactly is your issue?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Eira’s making a fuckton of sense. He’s comparing Junko’s play with Herta’s and I agree with it. Junko was being to out there to be DA, DA tries to just float by and not make waves. Why? Because DA wants to die and not be nobled obviously. Junko’s play really makes very little sense as DA for all of the reasons Eira said and if you’re town here, Idk why you’re so upset? You were pushing NM as somehow bad scum playing suboptimally but forgetting to do an NK isn’t the same as healing Mega/voting Herta and you’re arguing essentially that he’s either mafia playing against wincon or he’s somehow wifomming with this and NM rarely puts in that kind of effort. I’m saying that what you’re saying about NM really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.

Also the way Mega just so casually said she’ll be here the next day sounded very believable to me.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: herta

HEAL: meg

VOTE: meg

HEAL: herta

Wifom? Who’s mafia here, @Herta?

You said NM/Math iirc and BOTH are adamantly opposed to this. I don’t think both of them are town here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Enchant cannot be scum because he is confirmed Day 2 Hidden Noble.

Leaves pool of {Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill}

Herta is out of course.

Meg is DA.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia}

Eiralox & PBE are unconfirmed but claimed Hidden Nobles. There's no authentic counterlcaim (N_M help please) to either. So I have to assume they're true claiming. Therefore they cannot be scum.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Not_Mafia}

From my perspective, assuming the true claims, that's the exact team

.

Explain to me please Herta why NM/Math are playing against wincon by wanting to heal you/lim Mega? And I think you’re trying to wifom me into reversing my heal/vote but that ain’t happening.

And Math’s reaction to my votechange and ignoring what Eira posted, just made feel even more confident about my heal on you.

Whatever Mega is, way too many things pointing to you being more likely DA than her. I don’t like that Math suddenly outright refuses to sheep me when he promised to do so once I made my decision.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

As long as Meg dies, we go to limlo tomorrow.

If I die and Meg is nobled, town wins. So I'm good either way.

VOTE: meg

HEAL: herta

So why make this vote?

There is absolutely no logical reason for you to heal yourself and vote Mega here unless you’re wifomming me.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

More heals on Herta please. He is caught DA, it doesn’t matter who we lim because I feel pretty sure Herta noble is an autowin here.

VOTE: meg

HEAL: herta

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Which is kind of irrelevant saying it out loud but if game doesn't end we know they are a confirmed liar

I’m not lying. I am HN and I do have a hidden extra vote.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Math flipping the fuck out on me is what mainly sealed it for me and Noraa the expert Math reader has been hard sr him and his over reaction made no sense if he’s town.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Which is kind of irrelevant saying it out loud but if game doesn't end we know they are a confirmed liar

I’m not lying. I am HN and I do have a hidden extra vote.

~N

If this is true I have been hammered

I’m so happy I defeated scum!Math. *does happy dance*

[Polar Bear Express]

There's still work to do Nancy. I am not the DA.

So who’s mafia then?

[Polar Bear Express]

Or Math could still be scum and got it wrong?

Wait then, how do I know you aren’t wifomming me?

[Polar Bear Express]

I really don't know. NM and someone are my best guesses. It's going to take some digging into.

Noraa said she thought it was Mega. :/

And I couldn’t talk to her but Eira made so much sense.

[Polar Bear Express]

If Math hadn’t gotten so upset with me but debunked Eira’s theory more reasonably, I might have unvoted but I just thought his reaction to me was really overblown.

This sucks but I guess it doesn’t clear Mega healers unless Herta’s scum and it doesn’t look like it.

[Polar Bear Express]

Town please post your reads before thread lock.

I’m probably getting Nk’d. Idk. I still don’t understand Math’s reaction to me. But yeah, still definitely think NM, Based on play still NM/Math but then that would mean they ironically misplayed. \_0_/

[Polar Bear Express]

Herta self-healing and voting Mega was super antitown, so there’s that.

I wouldn’t touch any of the HNs, I think Enchant/Eira are both town.

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: meg

HEAL: herta

@Herta explain why town!you makes this post?

[Polar Bear Express]

So Nancy why was there just 4 votes on Meg yesterday?

Because Bear was hidden noble.

+1

I said I was HN and I had an extra vote. And Herta you gamethrew if town because you healed yourself instead of Mega.

[Polar Bear Express]

MegAzumarill was eliminated. MegAzumarill was

Spoiler: MegAzumarill

Dark Angel

. MegAzumarill exits the game in a win.

Herta has been elected as Noble for Night 4. There is no noble mechanic once the game reaches 3:2.

Day 5 begins in (expired on 2022-12-24 13:44:01). Fast Night is possible if all living players agree.

So it’s just Nancy + Nora and maybe Herta?

Nancy didn’t want to do Meg with me because she would lose and didn’t want to show her ISOing but she fucked up her votes?

Like that’s the vibe I have.

Are you being deliberately dense here or what?

It’s your fliipping out on me that convinced me because you didn’t argue what Eira was telling me.

I actually think this statement means Noraa was probably wrong and it’s just NM and Herta because you never learn and no matter what blatant evidence is hitting you in the face, you are just inexplicably terrible at reading me. I am bleeding obvious town and you should know this.

All you had to do was not fucking jump on me and maybe I would have voted differently so if we lose and you’re town. I’m holding you responsible.

[Polar Bear Express]

The reason for them Nobling themselves as scum is if they didn’t get the hidden noble the DA and just killed the DA then Nancy/Nora slot would be outed scum.

Math is either scum here or being incredibly batshit terrible. I should have trusted in my logic and not been fooled by my toneread of Mega. Her arguments for wrongly sr me made no sense and next time she pulls this crap on me. I won’t be falling for it.