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Hi. I'm replacing cavjj.
Got some reading to do, but figured I might stop by and /confirm.
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So I was reading the thread thinking "Hmm, PI is likely scum." Just got to the part where cavjj replaces PI, and I have to say I actually double-checked my role PM to make sure I didn't read it wrong.
Aaand I'm trying to stay a little current so I don't get too far behind. So TF, don't you think it's also possible the mafia weren't on Emp's list and killed him to put us off in the wrong direction?
Reab, WIFOM stands for Wine in Front of Me, a reference to the movie The Princess Bride. ISO is short for Isolation, a "Display posts by user:" tool you can find at the bottom of any pages to isolate posts from a single player. And OMGUS stands for Oh my God you Suck.
Most of the terminology can be found on the MafiaScum wiki, but I get townpoints if I explain it instead of just giving you the link.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Klazam wrote:why would you care about townpoints?
I like points.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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David Xanatos wrote:I think he was being sarcastic..
I was.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Can't say I'm too worried about it. I don't expect a majority of players to take it seriously, and afterall the town needs a majority to lynch.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Sorry, I'll use [/sarcasm] tags like Krazy and TF next time.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Back on Topic! DX, top scumreads at the moment?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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You're null on 2/3 of the players here?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I won't push the topic too hard, but I do expect you to haves reads on more than just a minority of the players.
CSL, you're next on my to-followup-on list.
CSL wrote:And Whiskers got rung up to L-2 already. There are scum on this wagon, I believe.
Who are the scum on the Whiskers wagon?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Finished my read through, by the way.
Leaning scum on Cirno and Krazy. Leaning town on VE, Klazam, and Reab. All subject to change, please ask questions if you want to know anything specific and I'll have them answered after my dinner.
@Mod, I know it's aconstantwork-in-progress with this game, but could you update the first post to reflect the replacements? I noticed you still have Yank as in this gameLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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smargaret wrote:KJ, I want to know what about Reab makes you think he's town, especially your opinion on the vt thing. Rechecking the role PM is also a red flag to me.
Reab, the wiki has information on abbreviations if you're confused.
I promise I'll have a larger post later, but I have a friend coming to visit, her name is Irene, maybe you've heard of her? Anyway, I have a migraine from the pressure change and I'll likely lose power (and thus internet/computer) tomorrow and Sunday.smargaret wrote:Oh yeah, TF, why the wifom with the nk speculation? and kj's comment about townpoints looks really bad, sarcastic or not.
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Okay, first order of business. Reab's play fits with the claim that this is his first game ever. I believe he truly didn't know what VT meant, and even if his role PM did say "Vanilla Townie", he could have likely just shortened the idea down to "Townie". His little knowledge of other terms supports this noob theory.
Beyond that, I also got strong town reads from his active-scumhunting predecessor JPop. I read nothing to strongly support that either of them could be scum.
Rechecking the role PM was also, like the townpoints, entirely joking. It was just imagery used to express how surprised I was at PI's scummy level of play after I realized I had replaced into his slot. Can you explain why this is a red flag, and then continue on to why my sarcasm about townpoints also looks bad?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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CSL, I had a question for you.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Do you think there is only one scum on the wagon?
Why are you voting TF over your scum lynchpool on the wagon?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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VOTE: Krazy
This kid is scum.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Krazy wrote:Vote Visceral Eyes.
Opportunistic
Krazy wrote:Wow, the mass V/LA has brought this game to its knees. I am extremely dismayed that I can get no traction on VE, and this game desperately needs a wagon with some life in it and maybe even a lynch.
Between the three leading wagons, cavjj is an unclear but not in my top three, David I have a slight townread on, and Reab is just a mess. Between the three, Reab has produced the most WIFOM material, after VE, and is the player in this game I least want to see currently make it to a lylo situation even if town. I can reasonably see that slip earlier in the game actually being a scumslip, and even without that, he's at best an unclear at this point. But let me reinforce that VE is still my first choice for today's lynch as he is still far and away more scummy than Reab and I just do not get how people do not see this.
Having absolutely no momentum in this game is making it really boring, and of the three wagons, Reab's is the best.
Vote Reab
ATTENTION: THIS IS L-2.
Opportunisticccccccc
Krazy wrote:This isn't remotely straightforward and you're pretty clearly trying to downplay what was (and is) a blatant rolefish.
Vote Whiskers
OPPORTUNISTICCCCCLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I know you've already explained your reasons. But could you go over your VE case another time for me? Or at least link me to your post(s) which are a fair and accurate representation of your read on the guy. I'm having a hard time reading why he is one of your top scumvibes. And, if you don't mind, try to make scum connections between players. "If TF is scum, player xxxx is likely to be his partner from the posts here and here" sort of deal.
I think the latter part is important to include in your claim that you've found all 4 of them.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Oh, also an update of my opinion. If Krazy is scum, I think his partner is in his second theorized group of scum (VE, Cirno, CSL, and Klazam). Of these, I'm leaning more toward Cirno first and CSL second.
Because when gbevilchaos was still here, his posts also supported the theory of Cirno being his scumbuddy.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Scum connections, too.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Krazy wrote:What are you looking for here? A bunch of chainsaws, or an opportunity to accuse me of setting up mislynches? I don't see a point in really speculating on that since I don't really see a good reason to restrict any of them from being partners with any of the others. Scum plays as scum, with the complete lack of luster in most of these wagons, I wouldn't be surprised if they spent half of every day throwing miniature busses at each other. There's really nothing but WIFOM in that route.
You're at this point accusing of moving around wagons too much, or overextending myself, while asking me to form connections that are quite frankly overextensions. You're basically saying, "please do something scummy so I can accuse you of being scummy." In this regard I must ask you to stop tunneling.
I'm looking for an opportunity to see how your thought process works. I don't feel as though I'm tunneling, just trying to get an accurate read on you. I promise to read your connections unbiasedly.
If you don't see any connections, that's fine and you should just say so. However, I don't agree with you saying that scum connections don't matter or are too WIFOM to decipher.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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smargaret wrote:You're null on about half the players here.
Why would you joke about how scummy your predecessor was? Why would you care/pay attention to PI's play? That's why it's a red flag.
Sarcasm about townpoints - It looks an awful lot like you're just trying to backtrack and make an excuse for a scumslip you got caught in
Yea but I've been probing my nulls at least to get reads on them.
I was paying attention to PI because I was scumhunting. I hadn't realized I replaced him. That's the joke.
Really? Are you-.. There are no words. If you think something that blatantly obvious was more likely to be a scumslip than sarcasm, then I'm not really going to convince you that 2+2=4 this game.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I saw cavjj replaced him, and had a moment of LOL. I didn't actually recheck my role PM.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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David Xanatos wrote:@MOD: Can we have a vote history with the next VC please?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I can gather a quick vote history. Give me some time.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Feel free to double-check my work. I think I got everything, though.
=DAY 1=
- David Xanatos -> Whiskerskillerjester/cavjj/PersonalIdiot04
- Cirno -> verydark -> Reab -> WhiskersCSL/warriormode
- VisceraEyes -> PersonalIdiot04 -> Empking -> Toon Fighter -> Cavjj -> ReabDavid Xanatos/malpascp
- VisceraEyes -> ReabToon Fighter
- Toon Fighter -> Reab -> Whiskerssmargret/YankCane151
- VisceraEyes -> Toon Fighter -> David XanatosCirno
- verydark -> VisceraEyes -> PersonalIdiot04 -> verydark -> Toon Fighter -> CSLVisceraEyes
- VisceraEyes -> Toon Fighter -> warriormode -> Toon Fighter -> WhiskersReab/MediocreJPop/iBetrayal/LTP Mafia
- malpascp -> gbevilchaos -> PersonalIdiot04/Cavjj -> Reab -> Cavjj -> WhiskersKlazam/ConfidAnon
- ConfidAnon -> iBetrayal -> PersonalIdiot04 -> VisceraEyes -> Reab -> WhiskersKrazy/gbevilchaos
- iBetrayal -> PersonalIdiot04 -> MediocreJPop -> Empking -> CSLWhiskers/verydark
- VisceraEyes -> gbevilchaos -> PersonalIdiot04 -> verydark -> Cavjj -> WhiskersEmpking/SigmaEXE003
=DAY 2=
- Krazykillerjester/cavjj/PersonalIdiot04
- Toon Fighter -> KrazyCSL/warriormode
- Toon FighterDavid Xanatos/malpascp
- Krazy -> CSLToon Fighter
- Reab -> killerjestersmargret/YankCane151
- David XanatosCirno
- CSLVisceraEyes
- CSL -> killerjester -> CSLReab/MediocreJPop/iBetrayal/LTP Mafia
- Toon FighterKlazam/ConfidAnon
- Toon FighterKrazy/gbevilchaosLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Cirno wrote:@KJ: As one of the people requesting the vote history, are you going to analyze it or wait for other players to do so?
I quoted DavidX moreso for the VC (hadn't had one in the last two pages) than the vote history...so the second one.
Cirno wrote:Stopped reading Krazy's posts.
What is implied by this bit?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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smargaret wrote:Cirno - it's less that the townpoints comment is scummy, and more that the behavior was scummy and the townpoints rationalization looks like kj's flailing around after getting caught trying to appear town.
Don't you agree that scum searching for townpoints would be alittle moreinconspicuous about it? That honestly the last I'm saying on the matter. If you think I should hang by the neck until dead for a joke then we don't exactly see eye to eye, but as long as you aren't convincing everyone else of such let's pretend to play the rest of the game together because I really don't think you are scum.
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Krazy wrote:CSL is scummy but there are orders of magnitude difference between the two.
is a terrible reason to be upset with the CSL wagon, by the way
I'm not really gonna push for the lynch of the V/LA guy. Not when CSL is a great candidate.
UNVOTE: Krazy
VOTE: CSL
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Krazy and CSL, who are TF's likely partners?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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VisceraEyes wrote:KJ, you're on the CSL wagon. Does your FoS of Krazy indicate that you think he might be CSL's partner? Or do you think they're on opposing factions?
Opposing factions. I think they're buddied to closely on the TF wagon to both be on the same faction. Krazy makes more sense as Cirno's partner. I'm not sure who would be CSL's partner at the moment, but DavidX and TF both make sense.
So to be clear, I'd be most comfortable with (Krazy, Cirno, CSL) dying today, and failing that I wouldn't oppose a DavidX or TF lynch.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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No. Because he's town.
Krazy and CSL aren't buddies, but it hardly makes a difference. We still need to lynch them to win.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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You heard the man! Let's lynch him.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'm game!Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Meta defense? OhboynotthisagainLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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It's because both scum tried to kill me.
VOTE: KrazyLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Hey. You promised us a show. "All will be revealed" something to that extent.
What gives?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Krazy, who did you target last night?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Hey. Waitaminute. David, that means the person you saved N1 is clear right?
@smargaret, I don't see how we can have 3 clears.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I totally missed the n't part of aren't. Wow.
But you are right in the sense that I can't see scum-David painting a red target on his back for the rival scum to jump at. He would've had to assume the real doctor would protect him AND submit a no-kill for his own team to falsify a result like this. It's more likely that David is town.
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I think we should all release our townlists and then vote the person that is on none of them.
For instance, does anyone think Krazy is town?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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My townlist is DX, smarg, Reab, then I'm caught between VE and Klazam. But I'm fairly certain Krazy, Cirno, and TF are all scum.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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He's had multiple back-and-forth arguments with gbevilchaos and Krazy (gb's replacement). Most recently, he's stated something to the extent of, "I'm ignoring Krazy now, not going to read his posts anymore."
I think it's very possible they are scumbuddies and have been distancing each other all game. A look through the votecount shows they have none voted for each other once, and I find this peculiar given how much they have been arguing with each other. Also, they have never been on the same wagon. Ever. Not during a single votecount. And it's Day 3. So while Cirno doesn't have many good examples of him being individually scummy, I see him as the only option for being Krazy's partner. Their interactions together have been far too scummy.
Back and forth early on D1
:IagreewithEmpking: here
Another back-and-forth, this time with Krazy
"I've stopped reading Krazy's postsLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In the context of this game you are the scummiest player I've ever seen.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Why is Krazy town?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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That doesn't look good for me. Klazam, any chance my short case convinced you to take cirno off your townlist and put me on instead?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'm a little worried because I have two townreads voting for me. That means there are 4 scum out there who, I'm sure, would just looooooove to run my bandwagon up and hammer it. Considering that I expect Klazam to vote me to L-2 I'd say I'm rightfully worried.
I don't see how posting townlists hurt the docs odds of protecting right over not posting townlists.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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In post 800, Klazam wrote:Mod- votecount?After the mod shows a votecount, I'll hop on the largest bandwagon that isnt on my townlist.
That.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I can't do anything about their play. Do you seriously think Krazy and cirno are both town?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Here is what I don't get. I haven't discouraged a TF lynch.
All.
Game.
Long.
Why do you feel the need to misrepresent my actions?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Besides, by Krazy-perspective, who has scum reads on both VE and Klazam, my fencesitting there shouldn't really have been a wtf moment for him. He's just looking for an opportunity to say I'm scummy so he can jump on my wagon. It's so obvious that it sticks out like a sore thumb.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Process of elimination. Scumreads on TF, cirno and Krazy. Townreads on smarg, DX, and Reab. I suppose I really do need to take a position on which one of you is the 4th. Brb ISO'ing.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'm not avoiding anything. TF is scum, I haven't been unclear about my opinion on this. Your logic is basically, "Why me? You suggested we lynch the person that isn't on anyone's townlist!" Well yeah. You and TF both weren't on anyone's townlist at the time and frankly I'm quite fine if either of you get lynched. You go on and on about, "He's been avoiding TF!!!!" when the truth of the matter is no one's brought up my opinion on TF or my reasons for it.
Why me = Fry me. That's really all the reason I need to vote you. If anything though, Krazy's getting a little too passionate about his selective scumhunting here. I don't think Krazy and TF are partners.
Spoiler: bandwagons for my scumputer next post, gonna find this 4th scumLord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I had to use a different approach here since no one has flipped scum yet
Spoiler: more boring stuff
Reab 282 / 2 instances of distancing
Toon Fighter 248 / 7 instances of distancing
Krazy 232 / 3 instances of distancing
smargret 216 / 2 instances of distancing (2 with TF)
VisceraEyes 166 / 2 instances of distancing (2 with TF)
Cirno 100 / 1 instance of distancing (1 with TF)
Klazam 100 / 3 instances of distancing (2 with TF)
I also checked the isos, and VE stood out slightly more than Klazam in terms of interactions with TF. Today I'd be most comfortable with a Krazy or TF lynch so I can get more flips for a better VCA. But my two hypothetical scumteams are Krazy & Cirno and TF & VELord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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I'll also go ahead and claim here, as I've expressed the dangers of have 4 scum in 2 teams hanging around with me at L-2.
I'm VT.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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VOTE: TF
With me! Reab!Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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What did you want me to say about their actions?
I can't explain the thought process behind them because it wasn't me playing. And my opinion on them is rather pointless as my role PM clearly states I'm town.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Defense and distancing are also two different opinions. You can't find a worthable scumpartner for me because there isn't one.
Don't get me wrong, I'm actually glad VE is off your townlist and smarg was added instead. But let's face it, everyone's been pulling strings and trying to force a scum connection between my slot and other players where there isn't one. I feel like everyone is guilting me by association to PI04 and cavjj when I really haven't done all that much, and using that bias to assume things I have done are scum-motivated. Yet all anyone can really find in PI04 and cavjj is individual scummyness. Isn't it possible they coincidentally both came off as scummy townplayers?
I mean really. Krazy thinks I'm partner with TF because I think he's scum but didn't vote him, when really I was just caught up with how scummy Krazy was. And Klazam thinks I'm partner with VE because my predecessors defended VE at some points and distanced him at others. Yet this is completely consistent with town players that just have changing reads, not indecisive scum who can't figure out how the fuck they're going to treat their partner.
PEDIT: WOO TF wagon is a gooooo.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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You can think that. But you'd be wrong.
Don't worry, after the game is over you can all say, "BUT HIS PREDECESSORS WERE SO SCUMMY! I DON'T UNDERSTAND! HE SHOULD'VE BEEN SCUM!"Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Opportunistic
In post 215, Toon Fighter wrote:Now that I've read the last few pages (where most of the interesting stuff happens, I can say this:
MJP, your posts seem good, but they are way too big and too frequent. Please concentrate your posts and don't make huge walls. On their actual content, you make a huge case against verydark, repeating yourself a couple of times, but your vote stays pressuring me, who you barely mention in your posts. Clarify this to me, please.
verydark, your post 192 is very interesting. First of all, because you just push MJP very hard because he tried to put VE at L-1. Second, because you seem to be deluded that we are still on RVS. Granted, MJP's asking for a claim wasn't very good, especially when he jumped wagons right afterwards, but your post isn't very good either. Your other posts are nothing special either, as we can see from gbevil's analysis.
gbevil seems to be doing decent posts and decent scumhunting. Nothing big to say here.
Empking seems to be trying hard to defend VE. I wonder if there is a connection between the two.
PI, I repeat the questions other players are asking, what are your opinions on the game and who seems scummiest?
malpascp, I agree that PI's post was bad, but to me it seemed like classic VI, why do you think he deserved your vote, can you elaborate on that?
Things that are wrong here!
- Fencesitting on verydark. I would expect a town player that has a scum read on VE to accuse verydark of the chainsaw defense, and get a scum read on verydark. However, TF simply states his post is "interesting".
- Tries to paint Empking as VE's partner. I can see TF setting up Empking to be killed if VE hangs.
- Generally null opinions on the other players. It feels like he doesn't want to take a firm stance here.
In post 350, Toon Fighter wrote:OK, I can post now.
As previous noted, and as I can see now, I still believe that VE can be mafia. Those AtE of his and asking for his own lynch are horrid play in my opinion. I can't believe we let a guy playing that much anti-town live for a single day.
I can understand that people vote me, I'm not being very active, I'm on vacation and usually away from home and with very limited internet access, and that is making me difficult to stay active in this game. The game is also moving extremely slowly and with a lot of replacements, so it's difficult to catch on on the action, since so little is happening (a bit confusing, but I think you can understand).
Empking seems very confident on his reads, and I believe he may be right about something. But I want more explanation from him to how he came up with that list of suspects and why VE is innocent.
Distancing from VE again.
In post 364, Toon Fighter wrote:I claim VT
Early claim.
In post 558, Toon Fighter wrote:hey. Kudos for the doc.
Mod, when you say Empking died by Fira Maf that means ONLY Fire Maf targeted him or Fire Maf targeted him first?
I think TF might be softclaiming ice mafia here. Besides congratulating the doc, he finds it the flavor for the kill odd. It's possible he (the ice mafia) targeted Empking and is surprised that the flavor gives credit to the fire mafia.
In post 611, Toon Fighter wrote:Empking wrote:vd, cirno, cavjj, and krazy is scum
Empking's list. The main thing he posted and pushed during D1. Probably the reason why he was killed by the ice mafia. I believe that this list has at least one, maybe two members of that mafia, and they were afraid that Emp was going to get to them.
He posted the list fairly early in the game and stayed with it during all of D1. He may have gotten vd (whiskers) wrong, but the others could be right. I just ISO'd cavjj and he seems likely scum, jumping on Whiskers wagon and RV Xanatos out of the blue in the middle of the game. Now killerjester replaced him and we need to see how he turns out.
I will ISO the other two and be right back.
If I'm right, and TF is ice mafia, then now we know why he killed Empking. It's to say, "The mafia probably killed him cause he was right!" and set up lynches from Empking's pool.
In post 612, Toon Fighter wrote:On ISO'ing Krazy, it seems to me that he always jumps on wagons and tries to fake scumhunting. He jumps on the VE wagon when it's almost dead, and tries to ride it during most of D1. When it looks like there are other possible wagons, he immediately jumps to L-2 Reab and after that to the very strong Whiskers wagon, riding it to the mislynch. Now, on D2, he just hops onto my wagon on the beginning of the day and ignores almost everything that happened up to that point (including his VE suspicion). He doesn't seem to actually scumhunt, just to be trying to fake it. Also, he protects cavjj when he states his suspicions, which could indicate a scum team's works.
vote: Krazy
Cirno seems to be a better player than Krazy, and playing more town, he gets on VE wagon but at a better time than Krazy, and he votes Xanatos for the cavjj's shenanigans. He doesn't change wagons again during D1, and in D2 he gets back onto Xanatos for what happened with my 'congrats, doc!' post. He seems to be trying to scumhunt more, but I don't see any real results during D1, and D2 is going good so far. I sense a possible Xanatos - Cirno scum team, with Cirno bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
This is honestly the first genuine scumhunting I've seen him do all game. This adds credence to my idea that TF and Krazy are not partners.
In post 677, Toon Fighter wrote:If Krazy is scum, I think CSL or kj can be in his scumteam
Also genuine, yet selective, scumhunting. He wants to kill Krazy and then look for Krazy's partner.
In post 691, Toon Fighter wrote:CSL is getting more and more scum-points in my book. Randomly changing votes, crappy posts, repeatedly stating Krazy as town. I'd prefer to see (him~? her?) lynched and then go to Krazy, as I see CSL as more likely scum at the moment.
unvote, vote: CSL
OPPORTUNISTIC, does not match up with the scumhunting he's done on Krazy
In post 814, Toon Fighter wrote:Hey. I still defend that kj, Krazy, or VE are prob mafia. I don't have much time now, prob tomorrow will make better post. Will analyse D2 and D3 and try and find scum there. For now, though, I will not vote.
Oh good, I was almost worried he forgot about distancing VE.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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@Krazy in order:
Yes.
I did my own scumhunting, you were at the tip top of my list. I was by no means ignoring TF.
I don't see it as problematic that scum is helping the town to kill rival scum. If anything, I find it helpful. All that it suggests is the lynches TF pushed from D2 onward were not likely to be his scum partners.
TF had very legitimate suspicions for voting you.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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Seriously? What the hell!
Krazy: You're totally defending TF! SCUMZZZZ!
Me: No, I've said he's scum. I want him dead, too.
TF: I really can't tell if you think I'm scum with VE.
ITT: Scums skim all my posts, and don't pay attention to my reads on the players this game.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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It's too bad you have no case, scum.
It's almost like you think last minute L-1 votes and AtE's will win you the game.Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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