Got some reading to do, but figured I might stop by and /confirm.
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Klazam wrote:why would you care about townpoints?
David Xanatos wrote:I think he was being sarcastic..
CSL wrote:And Whiskers got rung up to L-2 already. There are scum on this wagon, I believe.
smargaret wrote:KJ, I want to know what about Reab makes you think he's town, especially your opinion on the vt thing. Rechecking the role PM is also a red flag to me.
Reab, the wiki has information on abbreviations if you're confused.
I promise I'll have a larger post later, but I have a friend coming to visit, her name is Irene, maybe you've heard of her? Anyway, I have a migraine from the pressure change and I'll likely lose power (and thus internet/computer) tomorrow and Sunday.
smargaret wrote:Oh yeah, TF, why the wifom with the nk speculation? and kj's comment about townpoints looks really bad, sarcastic or not.
unvote
vote: kj
Krazy wrote:Vote Visceral Eyes.
Krazy wrote:Wow, the mass V/LA has brought this game to its knees. I am extremely dismayed that I can get no traction on VE, and this game desperately needs a wagon with some life in it and maybe even a lynch.
Between the three leading wagons, cavjj is an unclear but not in my top three, David I have a slight townread on, and Reab is just a mess. Between the three, Reab has produced the most WIFOM material, after VE, and is the player in this game I least want to see currently make it to a lylo situation even if town. I can reasonably see that slip earlier in the game actually being a scumslip, and even without that, he's at best an unclear at this point. But let me reinforce that VE is still my first choice for today's lynch as he is still far and away more scummy than Reab and I just do not get how people do not see this.
Having absolutely no momentum in this game is making it really boring, and of the three wagons, Reab's is the best.
Vote Reab
ATTENTION: THIS IS L-2.
Krazy wrote:This isn't remotely straightforward and you're pretty clearly trying to downplay what was (and is) a blatant rolefish.
Vote Whiskers
Krazy wrote:What are you looking for here? A bunch of chainsaws, or an opportunity to accuse me of setting up mislynches? I don't see a point in really speculating on that since I don't really see a good reason to restrict any of them from being partners with any of the others. Scum plays as scum, with the complete lack of luster in most of these wagons, I wouldn't be surprised if they spent half of every day throwing miniature busses at each other. There's really nothing but WIFOM in that route.
You're at this point accusing of moving around wagons too much, or overextending myself, while asking me to form connections that are quite frankly overextensions. You're basically saying, "please do something scummy so I can accuse you of being scummy." In this regard I must ask you to stop tunneling.
smargaret wrote:You're null on about half the players here.
Why would you joke about how scummy your predecessor was? Why would you care/pay attention to PI's play? That's why it's a red flag.
Sarcasm about townpoints - It looks an awful lot like you're just trying to backtrack and make an excuse for a scumslip you got caught in
David Xanatos wrote:@MOD: Can we have a vote history with the next VC please?
Cirno wrote:@KJ: As one of the people requesting the vote history, are you going to analyze it or wait for other players to do so?
Cirno wrote:Stopped reading Krazy's posts.
smargaret wrote:Cirno - it's less that the townpoints comment is scummy, and more that the behavior was scummy and the townpoints rationalization looks like kj's flailing around after getting caught trying to appear town.
Krazy wrote:CSL is scummy but there are orders of magnitude difference between the two.
VisceraEyes wrote:KJ, you're on the CSL wagon. Does your FoS of Krazy indicate that you think he might be CSL's partner? Or do you think they're on opposing factions?
In post 800, Klazam wrote:Mod- votecount?After the mod shows a votecount, I'll hop on the largest bandwagon that isnt on my townlist.
In post 215, Toon Fighter wrote:Now that I've read the last few pages (where most of the interesting stuff happens, I can say this:
MJP, your posts seem good, but they are way too big and too frequent. Please concentrate your posts and don't make huge walls. On their actual content, you make a huge case against verydark, repeating yourself a couple of times, but your vote stays pressuring me, who you barely mention in your posts. Clarify this to me, please.
verydark, your post 192 is very interesting. First of all, because you just push MJP very hard because he tried to put VE at L-1. Second, because you seem to be deluded that we are still on RVS. Granted, MJP's asking for a claim wasn't very good, especially when he jumped wagons right afterwards, but your post isn't very good either. Your other posts are nothing special either, as we can see from gbevil's analysis.
gbevil seems to be doing decent posts and decent scumhunting. Nothing big to say here.
Empking seems to be trying hard to defend VE. I wonder if there is a connection between the two.
PI, I repeat the questions other players are asking, what are your opinions on the game and who seems scummiest?
malpascp, I agree that PI's post was bad, but to me it seemed like classic VI, why do you think he deserved your vote, can you elaborate on that?
In post 350, Toon Fighter wrote:OK, I can post now.
As previous noted, and as I can see now, I still believe that VE can be mafia. Those AtE of his and asking for his own lynch are horrid play in my opinion. I can't believe we let a guy playing that much anti-town live for a single day.
I can understand that people vote me, I'm not being very active, I'm on vacation and usually away from home and with very limited internet access, and that is making me difficult to stay active in this game. The game is also moving extremely slowly and with a lot of replacements, so it's difficult to catch on on the action, since so little is happening (a bit confusing, but I think you can understand).
Empking seems very confident on his reads, and I believe he may be right about something. But I want more explanation from him to how he came up with that list of suspects and why VE is innocent.
In post 364, Toon Fighter wrote:I claim VT
In post 558, Toon Fighter wrote:hey. Kudos for the doc.
Mod, when you say Empking died by Fira Maf that means ONLY Fire Maf targeted him or Fire Maf targeted him first?
In post 611, Toon Fighter wrote:Empking wrote:vd, cirno, cavjj, and krazy is scum
Empking's list. The main thing he posted and pushed during D1. Probably the reason why he was killed by the ice mafia. I believe that this list has at least one, maybe two members of that mafia, and they were afraid that Emp was going to get to them.
He posted the list fairly early in the game and stayed with it during all of D1. He may have gotten vd (whiskers) wrong, but the others could be right. I just ISO'd cavjj and he seems likely scum, jumping on Whiskers wagon and RV Xanatos out of the blue in the middle of the game. Now killerjester replaced him and we need to see how he turns out.
I will ISO the other two and be right back.
In post 612, Toon Fighter wrote:On ISO'ing Krazy, it seems to me that he always jumps on wagons and tries to fake scumhunting. He jumps on the VE wagon when it's almost dead, and tries to ride it during most of D1. When it looks like there are other possible wagons, he immediately jumps to L-2 Reab and after that to the very strong Whiskers wagon, riding it to the mislynch. Now, on D2, he just hops onto my wagon on the beginning of the day and ignores almost everything that happened up to that point (including his VE suspicion). He doesn't seem to actually scumhunt, just to be trying to fake it. Also, he protects cavjj when he states his suspicions, which could indicate a scum team's works.
vote: Krazy
Cirno seems to be a better player than Krazy, and playing more town, he gets on VE wagon but at a better time than Krazy, and he votes Xanatos for the cavjj's shenanigans. He doesn't change wagons again during D1, and in D2 he gets back onto Xanatos for what happened with my 'congrats, doc!' post. He seems to be trying to scumhunt more, but I don't see any real results during D1, and D2 is going good so far. I sense a possible Xanatos - Cirno scum team, with Cirno bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
In post 677, Toon Fighter wrote:If Krazy is scum, I think CSL or kj can be in his scumteam
In post 691, Toon Fighter wrote:CSL is getting more and more scum-points in my book. Randomly changing votes, crappy posts, repeatedly stating Krazy as town. I'd prefer to see (him~? her?) lynched and then go to Krazy, as I see CSL as more likely scum at the moment.
unvote, vote: CSL
In post 814, Toon Fighter wrote:Hey. I still defend that kj, Krazy, or VE are prob mafia. I don't have much time now, prob tomorrow will make better post. Will analyse D2 and D3 and try and find scum there. For now, though, I will not vote.