Open 544: Tit for Tat (Game Over)

[Ankamius]

Hi.

I'll read.

[Ankamius]

Ugh, I'm too exhausted to properly analyze this right now. I got through page 2 and started looking rather than seeing.

BTW the reads I did manage to get just from those two pages are Flames of Disaster, Captain Picard, and

Lincolm

thenewearth as leaning scum. We'll see what that turns into when my brain decides to start functioning again.

UNVOTE: Tlachta C

[Ankamius]

Alright, I read up to page 7 and made notes. I'll go fully into detail when I'm done reading, but here's my general reads so far:

Scum: Flames of Disaster, Captain Picard, thenewearth
Null-Scum: Tlachta C, MTD
Null-Town: Malakittens, Saki, Ibarra
Town: No Stone Unturned, Lorantheceae, Hopkirk

[Ankamius]

Uh, no.

If you seriously try to lynch Hopkirk, I'm going to make sure you are not taken seriously for the rest of the game.

[Ankamius]

Okay I give up on trying to read the game. I got to the end of page 11 and my brain imploded.

[Ankamius]

However, this statement does indeed break RVS. Let us generate discussion.

This reeks.

Captain Picard's wagon vote on Flames in post #33 reeks.

Lincolm #35: This reeks too.

Flame's posts at the bottom of page 2 reek. He's getting very bad scumtells off nulltells.

post 51 - If Hopkirk is thinking the same thing I am here, then he is sooooo town. Otherwise, he's probaly town.

NSU's opening post looks like townpie.

Not really a big fan of Loranthaceae #77. Trying to continue talking about the RVS nonsense is completely useless and you're the primary person keeping it going.

Captain Picard #80 is really bad, mainly because of the final part. Assuming that putting a number into your post and saying that it's the exact time you started your post THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG NYEHHHHH just looks like a load of crap.

Flames looks really bad after #85. That vote is the single worst one yet.

Ibarra can be town for #86.

Picard's scumpicks in #87 include two probtown. lol

Flames of Disaster post 98 is just a bunch of logical stretches and otherwise bad logic.

MTD is giving me gut scumvibes for #106. I really don't understand how you can get scumreads on Tlachta and Picard for THAT reason.

Loranthaceae #114 wow is this guy going to ever do anything?

Lincolm #129 calm the fuck down with the random votes

Hopkirk... is like seriously town. How is anyone suspicious of him?

Tlachta C post 135 scumvibes. The self-vote part doesn't look genuine.

Loranthaceae #138 STAHP

Picard #148 putting words in NSU's mouth. Not good.

Loranthaceae post 156 This is the funniest post in the thread.

Loranthaceae post 161 Ok, finally you did something. You're off to the town pile.

I was prepared to give Loranthaceae more townpoints for #187, but #188 erases any possibility of that. Seriously, where did the Celebloki shit go?

NSU #196 wow he saw the same thing I did with Loranthaceae. It's almost like this slot is town or something.

Tlachta C post #199 - I find the second point very interesting, because Saki has done about the same of both and yet you don't have a scumread on him. I will keep this point in mind if one of you flip and turn up scum.

Now Loranthaceae goes back to a Celebloki wagon. I really don't know how to think about him anymore.

I can't read tne based on his early posts since I haven't seen his scumplay that I know of. TNE wtf pieguy is like the easiest guy to read ever.

page 10 is useless shit.

READS TIME

Scum: Flames of Disaster, Captain Picard, thenewearth, Tlachta C
Null-Scum: MTD, Loranthaceae
Null-Town: Malakittens, Saki, Ibarra
Town: No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk

[Ankamius]

ing to make sure you are not taken seriously for the rest of the game.

So, you go from calling him your third scumread, and when I say I'd like to see 2 out of the 3 in YOUR list dead you go all OMGWTFBBQSAUCE WE ARENT LYNCHING HIM...

Town: No Stone Unturned, Lorantheceae, Hopkirk

???

[Ankamius]

Oh the Flames wagon isn't near lynch anymore.

VOTE: Flames of Disaster

[Ankamius]

I posted everything as I read through it. That said, the vote itself was just as bad.

When the fuck did I ever call Hopkirk scum?

Not really, other than the one I pointed out.

You put words in NSU's mouth because you tried to completely discount one of the two options that NSU could respond with. If that's not putting words in NSU's mouth, that's really damn close.

I have plenty of people that I wouldn't mind getting a bullet in the brain tonight. I don't see why it HAS to be Flames.

[Ankamius]

This game looks to be one where scumreads are more easy to get than townreads, so the people I can't really pin down look more town than scum in comparison. Note that this doesn't really change the fact that my read on them is very volatile. Ask me about my reads on them again when they've done stuff more concrete.

[Ankamius]

BTW I know Saki enough to know that this playstyle isn't really unnatural for him.

[Ankamius]

Captain Picard (2) - No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk

omg it was fate

UNVOTE: Flames of Disaster
VOTE: Captain Picard

[Ankamius]

pls

[Ankamius]

Loranthaceae vote obvscum next time

thx

[Ankamius]

Zekrom I literally just posted reads on every player in the game.

[Ankamius]

Who are you talking to?

[Ankamius]

More likely scum than town.

[Ankamius]

lol look at this guy

Just ISOing Tlachta C and highlighting 'Cele' will show just how awful that vote is.

[Ankamius]

Your read on Celebloki was basically scum because Loranthaceae thought he was scum, then town because Celebloki's response looked town, then... obvscum because... Loranthaceae thinks this slot is still scum?

Yeah, shit vote.

[Ankamius]

I was actually confronting you in order to see if you had any real reason to vote me, but now it's pretty clear that you don't.

[Ankamius]

I don't know why I'd comment on it. It's not like that reasoning would ever make sense to me.

[Ankamius]

BTW I know Saki enough to know that this playstyle isn't really unnatural for him.

Also, please point me to a (finished) game you were in with him that he played like this and was town.

Here -> His ISO for that game

The only other game I'm aware of that he played on that site was this. He was town and played basically the same way.

[Ankamius]

Anka, you’d comment on it because he is your top scu read, and if it doesn’t make sense why not question it?
But you didn’t, youre just pushing for that mislynch :C

I'll let you dig a hole for yourself so that it's much easier to push you later once your scumbuddy is dead.

[Ankamius]

I've been reading some of your meta and my gut says you are scum.

If you truly read into me, then you'd also know that I find meta to be the biggest load of shit you can use for a case.

Also you came in as a replacement and could've brought a fresh perspective to revitalize scumhunting. Instead you go for Flames and Picard, arguably easy pickings because of the messed up attention their beef got early in the game and Flames' peculiar way of speaking. You call Hopkirk town. Hopkirk?!

He's been dropping town vibes all over the place and no one has given a compelling case for him being scum whatsoever. I'm still mystified that people are seeing him as one of their primary scum reads.

You bring nothing constructive to the table, that catchup post was just bad full of "this reeks" comments, which you happen to use in your past scumgames too, whereas as town you are focusing on alignment indicative issues and try to figure stuff out.

Did you read any further than the first three lines of my catch-up post? With the first two points, I'm heavily leaning towards no.

I bet if you were town your wagon would be 2 hitchers richer by now. Because of the way you play I only see two possibilities, you're either PR trying to keep your head down or scum and the amount of effort it needs for a wagon on you to build up can only indicate scum.

Now you're just flattering yourself. The difficulty of a wagon forming on me is not alignment-relevant.

[Ankamius]

So basically, you think I'm scum because you think I noticed your breadcrumbs and therefore think you're the jailkeeper while not saying so in thread.

I don't understand where you got the impression that I ISOed everyone either.

Either way, I'll believe the claim unless someone can CC.

UNVOTE: Captain Picard
VOTE: Zekrom25

I can support a vig shot on basically everyone but Hopkirk, Titus, and Picard, but I'd most like it on Saki.

[Ankamius]

but I'd most like it on Saki.

After you said you have seen him play this way as town?

...

ok...

I never said anything about alignment. I only said I saw it as a playstyle before.

[Ankamius]

I don't understand the Ibarra scumread.

[Ankamius]

Anka, you’d comment on it because he is your top scu read, and if it doesn’t make sense why not question it?
But you didn’t, youre just pushing for that mislynch :C

I'll let you dig a hole for yourself so that it's much easier to push you later once your scumbuddy is dead.

oh you're too kind <3


if we do end up lynching zekrom, then can the vig please shoot Anka? sorry if it looks like Im telling you how to do your job but anka is flailing scum and needs death

also malakittens is a pretty decent option as well

Go ahead and explain how Zekrom and I are partners whenever you feel like it. Or just wait for Loran to bail you out. That works too.

[Ankamius]

Like can no one see how awful this is? Tlachta C randomly jumped on me as soon as Loran restarted his push and has been making shit up ever since.

This slot is not town. I thought Loran's sudden dismissal of the Celebloki scumread only to suddenly return to it was bad, but this is just... wow.

[Ankamius]

@Loran

However, this statement does indeed break RVS. Let us generate discussion.

This reeks.

Captain Picard's wagon vote on Flames in post #33 reeks.

Flame's posts at the bottom of page 2 reek. He's getting very bad scumtells off nulltells.

Captain Picard #80 is really bad, mainly because of the final part. Assuming that putting a number into your post and saying that it's the exact time you started your post THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG NYEHHHHH just looks like a load of crap.

Flames looks really bad after #85. That vote is the single worst one yet.

Flames of Disaster post 98 is just a bunch of logical stretches and otherwise bad logic.

Picard #148 putting words in NSU's mouth. Not good.

Yes, clearly I went after Flames and Picard because of the former being 'easy' and the latter because of breadcrumbs instead of bad logic and scummy points.

You haven't done anything to discount those points and instead opted to just blanket them in "bad full of this reeks comments", which I used... a grand total of three times in my catch-up post. You know what I would have expected town to do here? Push those points to see what grounds they were based in. Your meta argument is crap as you have given no concrete evidence whatsoever and the assumption you're making with it is just bad.

Your entire case on me is either stretched hideously far or just pulled out of your ass. You want to know why Zekram is going to flip scum? Because there are two people who are desperate to make sure he's not lynched. These two people are someone who's last documented read on Flames is a scumread (Loran) and someone who was supporting a vote on Flames for a long time (Tlachta C). It's curious how things changed as deadline got close.

[Ankamius]

Why does afraid to die mean scum? I don't see how accusing someone of having a bad push means afraid to doe.

What's the difference between the two lynch and shoot otions, other than one being saved if he's the vig?

when i bought up the idea of a vig taking anka out he started throwing a bunch of nasty posts at me, this displays the mindset of someone who has something to lose by being shot
ie he's scum

the other question: my scum read on anka is stronger

Don't bullshit. I started confronting you the moment you put your terribad vote on me. Your vig idea came several posts after.

[Ankamius]

Wow, what is this. Loran are you seriously thinking that a case on Tlachta C is going to prevail over a case on me?

k

I'll read into Mala... eventually.

[Ankamius]

Pedit: Eh? Are you saying you

want

to get lynched instead of Tla???

Did you read the game?

Loran pushed my slot hardcore throughout the first day and knew going into day 2 that pushing me wouldn't be particularly hard for him. So what does he do? He links Tlachta C to me and starts hardcore pushing for her death over mine. This move literally makes no sense unless he's scum trying to fling shit around.

And after that comment, I'm starting to wonder about you.

Wow, what is this. Loran are you seriously thinking that a case on Tlachta C is going to prevail over a case on me?

k

I'll read into Mala... eventually.

^ scum lovin that a townie is being linked to him

I'm just going to assume this was a joke.

[Ankamius]

Because I'm not done yet. I'm mostly just responding to stuff first because it's easier.

[Ankamius]

/me cracks knuckles

So here's Ankamius' entrance

Ugh, I'm too exhausted to properly analyze this right now. I got through page 2 and started looking rather than seeing.

BTW the reads I did manage to get just from those two pages are Flames of Disaster, Captain Picard, and

Lincolm

thenewearth as leaning scum. We'll see what that turns into when my brain decides to start functioning again.

UNVOTE: Tlachta C

He unvotes Tla only to call her null scum and then scum later, pay attention to his superficial scummy reasons:

Alright, I read up to page 7 and made notes. I'll go fully into detail when I'm done reading, but here's my general reads so far:

Scum: Flames of Disaster, Captain Picard, thenewearth
Null-Scum: Tlachta C, MTD
Null-Town: Malakittens, Saki, Ibarra
Town: No Stone Unturned, Lorantheceae, Hopkirk

Tlachta C post #199 - I find the second point very interesting, because Saki has done about the same of both and yet you don't have a scumread on him. I will keep this point in mind if one of you flip and turn up scum.

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READS TIME

Scum: Flames of Disaster, Captain Picard, thenewearth, Tlachta C
Null-Scum: MTD, Loranthaceae
Null-Town: Malakittens, Saki, Ibarra
Town: No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk

This statement is just enough to warrant a future bus on Tla, even promoting her from null-scum to scum, but apparently not enough to vote her. It's a scummy post because he knew Mala was scum and that he can use this line of though later on, but he thought no one would notice that it doesn't make sense as town to promote a scumread based on a future flip.

Okay, here's the problems with this logic.

1. You used my path of unvoting Tlachta C -> nullscum read on that slot -> scum read on my slot as your case for this section. Only... two of those are nonsense.
1a. You're trying to use an immediate unvote after a replacement as a point. ...why?
1b. You completely ignored the other point I made on Tlachta C... which provided the nullscum read.

2. Your reason for that post being scummy is equally nonsense because the idea that a Mala flip helping this is ridiculous. You know as well as I do that trying to push this point pretty much ever outside of a Tlachta C or Saki scumflip is absurd, so a Malakittens scumflip only means that it will continue to be absurd for perpetuity.

Also, I'm a fan of not revealing everything I have right away. There's another point on Tlachta C I noted in my head but didn't put into words. I feel better about my reads when I get pressured about things I say. That's one reason I'm vague with a lot of my points. If you want a hint of what this point is, it's in this post.

If Tla would've been lynched or shot he would've used it to give Mala a townread. But since Mala flipped scum he would use it to bus Tla at some point if necessary and have enough towncred to easily make it through lylo.

Um. You

do

realize that the association tell was between Tlachta C and Saki... right? Using that point to link Tlachta C and Malakittens together would be kind of really retarded.

I also find it very interesting that your entire focus was on trying to use a single point linking Tlachta C and me together (from my end) and linking Tlachta C together with Malakittens. If you were seriously trying to make a case for Tlachta+Ank+Mala scumteam, you would've put a lot more focus on bussing from both ends. My bet is you didn't include anything about bussing from Tlachta's end because it would've been ridiculous to assume that her blatantly sheeping you as the only reason for voting me basically ever in D1 could be seen as bussing instead of just trying to buddy a townie for towncred.

#605 is basically another bad attempt at trying to link us two together. You're basically saying that Tlachta C was hardcore sheeping you with really bad reasons... which is just as indicative of scum on town as scum on scum. Your point on scum tending to spread out votes is kind of pointless since you even admitted later in #610 that Malakittens never even voted for the entire day phase.

You've also failed to address basically any of my points except for a bland dismissal on my conclusion.

You have no real basis for Tlachta C and me bussing each other. All the links in this case are shoddy at best, nonsense at worst.
Your push on Tlachta C over me makes no sense. The only two significant scenarios I can see happening is you are town going full retard or scum trying to give more leg room for yourself. Trying to justify two targets for a lynch today instead of hardcore pushing for the person who you would have little trouble getting lynched with little to no risk is ridiculous. It's making me think that you know your case is garbage (hence why you only dismissed it and didn't disprove it) and want to draw attention away from that case with another one.

His associations with Malakittens also work

exactly

the same as the ones he's attacking Tlachta C for. Only with him, he doesn't have the pseudo-tunneling going for him that makes Tlachta C more town with a Mala-flip.

Vote: Loranthaceae

[Ankamius]

For the record, Mala association hunt didn't come up with a whole lot more than I mentioned.

[Ankamius]

1. You used my path of unvoting Tlachta C -> nullscum read on that slot -> scum read on my slot as your case for this section.

What slots. Don't make it seem complicated you scummy fuck acting like a moron. You unvoted Tla ->

you

had a nullscum on

Tla

->

you

had a scum read on

Tla

1a. You're trying to use an immediate unvote after a replacement as a point. ...why?

Who said anything about

immediate

? And I was showing the progression of your read on Tla and how it augmented (with scummy reasons) in relation to how unlikely it would be for Tla to get lynched. That's it, now you're trying to take it apart and you're saying I'm saying it's scummy you unvoted upon replacing in. You die today.

...

Yes, that's what I meant. I have no idea how I managed to screw up the wording like that.

However, this doesn't really change anything. Your second point is basically defeated by your first point, since the unvote is not worth bringing up at all unless you're going to use it as part of your case. Unvoting someone upon replacement is just about one of the nullest tells I can think of. I'm mostly trying to figure out why it's relevant in any way.

1b. You completely ignored the other point I made on Tlachta C... which provided the nullscum read.

Because it wasn't relevant for the core argument which was to follow and which still stands despite your army of straw men.

Then why would you ever bring up the unvote -> nullscum -> scum path. Focus on your main point and leave irrelevant crap out if it's irrelevant.

Also, I'm a fan of not revealing everything I have right away. There's another point on Tlachta C I noted in my head but didn't put into words. I feel better about my reads when I get pressured about things I say. That's one reason I'm vague with a lot of my points. If you want a hint of what this point is, it's in this post.

Nanana if you're going to promote from nullscum to scum you better have a good reason OR you're going to specify that with that particular person you have something in mind that you're not going to share OR you say something like gut. You on the other hand based it on a future flip. And now you're saying that the content of that statement isn't .. I don't even know let's just take one straw man at a time.

If you ask nicely, I might tell you what I find scummy about that post.

Um. You do realize that the association tell was between Tlachta C and Saki... right? Using that point to link Tlachta C and Malakittens together would be kind of really retarded.

Yeah here it is, upon closer look this seems to me like a gigantic slip. The post about Saki and Mala was your basis of promoting your Tla read.. let's look at it again:

Tlachta C post #199 - I find the second point very interesting, because Saki has done about the same of both and yet you don't have a scumread on him. I will keep this point in mind if one of you flip and turn up scum.

Note for everyone reading this he (Anka) is talking about how Tla is scrutinizing (having a scumread on) Mala for inactivity but not Saki.

I said earlier that it's because he (Anka) wants to distance himself from Tla as much as possible by calling her scum. BUT since he knows Mala is scum and Saki is town future flips will point towards the fact that Tla is town because she was discriminating, seemingly in scum's disadvantage. So no way does that argument even qualify for a real reason to lynch Tla and he wouldn't have - that is what he knew because he had the extra info to work it out. Because Tla is his partner and distancing from her without putting her in real danger is what he wants, and it looks nice on that catchup post.

Back to what you said here Anka

You do realize that the association tell

, what does that association tell doing in your post looking like a reason to promote your scumread on Tla, is the real question here. You are acknowledging that it is a tell. It's a towntell isn't it? Titus even says that Mala was afraid of Tla so it worked. That was the whole point of your statement about Tla in your catchup post, to get Tla some towncred .. so now we know.

Why don't people take my discovery of this blatant scumplay seriously?

Once again for the easily distracted, It's day1 and Anka replaces in, Tla isn't in any danger of being lynched -> Anka promotes his null-scum Tla read to a scumread because Tla is entertaining a vague scumread on Mala but not on Saki = this looks like it's based on a future hypothetical flip for us townfolk and it doesn't make sense for us.
It's day2, Mala is dead and the connection between Anka and Tla is being debated, Tla is under scrutiny -> Anka is deploying a series of straw men to save his skin and he claims his post about Tla scumreading Mala but not Saki is an association tell between Tla and Saki, not Tla and Mala or even Tla and himself, noOooo

Now you're just ignoring the fact that I just

said

there's another reason Tlachta C got upgraded to a scumread. I guess dismissing it entirely and assuming it never happened counts as a point in a case now.

Association tells are very common things. That's one that stuck out to me because it was incredibly weird that she would give preferential treatment to one lurker over another when they've done basically the same thing. It had very little to nothing to do with my read on Tlachta.

I don't understand either way how it's not obvious that it was an association tell between Tla and Saki. You're trying so hard to make it into an association tell between myself and Tla or Tla and Mala when I basically state that I'll consider it is Tlachta C or Saki flip scum. Trying to promote Tlachta C town based on that point is... really dumb, like I said before.

I also find it very interesting that your entire focus was on trying to use a single point linking Tlachta C and me together (from my end) and linking Tlachta C together with Malakittens. If you were seriously trying to make a case for Tlachta+Ank+Mala scumteam,

Oh so you're telling me how I should've made a case on you, that I wasn't serious about it. It's not like you bothered to do much talking on Day1 which is strange considering how effective you were in damaging town (strongarming a mislynch - trying to subtlely pin it on me by saying my last documented read on Flames was a scumread... try to read the following post where I explained what I did there again - that was just some random names to get Hopkirk to open up so I can attack him again - oh and getting Picard to claim, also very nice)

Okay.

1. Pretty much everyone was strongarming Zekrom's lynch. Trying to pin it on me alone is ridiculous.
2. You will have to explain where this "following post where I explained what I did there again" is, because the next post you made after the post I made that point in is your shit dismissal of my entire case.
3. Picard claimed when he had TWO votes on him. Do you seriously think anyone would have expected that?

you would've put a lot more focus on bussing from both ends. My bet is you didn't include anything about bussing from Tlachta's end because it would've been ridiculous to assume that her blatantly sheeping you as the only reason for voting me basically ever in D1

Tla came up with some reasons but if she was town she would've called you out for that very post I was referring to, and how fucking illogical it is to promote a scumread like that. She didn't because then she would put you in a lynchable position.

You know... like death tunneling me for half the day.

If I had been pressured to explain that, I'd almost certainly have a townread on the person who applied the pressure. What you're doing is trying to strongarm that into a case no matter what I say in response.

could be seen as bussing instead of just trying to buddy a townie for towncred.

well yeah, she just threw them half ass reasons in there to get some towncred should the vig shoot.

So you're tunneling.

#605 is basically another bad attempt at trying to link us two together. You're basically saying that Tlachta C was hardcore sheeping you with really bad reasons... which is just as indicative of scum on town as scum on scum. Your point on scum tending to spread out votes is kind of pointless since you even admitted later in #610 that Malakittens never even voted for the entire day phase.

You've also failed to address basically any of my points except for a bland dismissal on my conclusion.

You have no real basis for Tlachta C and me bussing each other. All the links in this case are shoddy at best, nonsense at worst.
Your push on Tlachta C over me makes no sense. The only two significant scenarios I can see happening is you are town going full retard or scum trying to give more leg room for yourself. Trying to justify two targets for a lynch today instead of hardcore pushing for the person who you would have little trouble getting lynched with little to no risk is ridiculous. It's making me think that you know your case is garbage (hence why you only dismissed it and didn't disprove it) and want to draw attention away from that case with another one.

His associations with Malakittens also work exactly the same as the ones he's attacking Tlachta C for. Only with him, he doesn't have the pseudo-tunneling going for him that makes Tlachta C more town with a Mala-flip.

Vote: Loranthaceae

Defensiveness, bla blabla OMGUS.

Prove it. Every dismissal you post makes me more sure I'm right.

[Ankamius]

I haven't read that wall to respond to it yet because... well, because this wall war is going to make me incredibly lazy incredibly fast.

I will say that Loran's posts on TNE are pretty funny though.

[Ankamius]

How the fuck are people oblivious to the fact that Flames called TNE an excellent scumhunter, so we don't need to do shit except wait for TNE to either catch scum or not.

This is literally gibberish.

Ank - This slot is my strongest scum read, I didn't like Cele either.
tne - I can almost give this slot a scum read. Especially if I read the way tne went after Flames right. It seemed almost like gleefully attacking someone who'd given them a Town read and knew that they could use it effectively against them.

Hopkirk - My first read screams scum, but we can only have so many scums, so, a careful reread here too.

So you're going to falter on a scumread on Hopkirk because you have a single scumread and a single almost-scum read? I'm calling bullshit.

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I'm liking MTD even less after that last post (and by last post, I mean #725). This looks like scum positioning, especially when posts like this. Seriously, I can't even tell where the hell this guy's reads are at any one point because they seem to change every other post.

[Ankamius]

So basically, you're going to reread a scumread because you have townreads that became almost-scumreads?

That makes no sense.

[Ankamius]

Vote: jon_h61

[Ankamius]

Unvote: Loranthaceae

Vote: jon_h61

Just to stay consistent.

[Ankamius]

The consistency point was literally only about me not unvoting before voting in the post before that.

I'm voting jon_h61 because his response to me pressing that point reeks. He tried to half-ass a response to my point, but other than that it's been nothing but an attempt to discredit the attack or me entirely. The vote was to see how he'd react to that pressure.

It's also funny how he quoted a set of reads before I finished reading what I ended up reading. It's almost like he doesn't want anyone to know that his point no longer holds water once I show scumreads on both Loran and Tlachta.

[Ankamius]

I am concerned your earlier votes are based off playstyle.

IDK what this even means.

[Ankamius]

What's huh about it?

[Ankamius]

Currently? You, Loran, and TNE. MTD is rising, though.

[Ankamius]

I've played several games with Ibarra, but I've had enough problems reading him in the past that I don't have any real opinion. He's been hard to read this game, otherwise.


Loran: A lot of his early game was just pointless chatter, his complete drop of the case on Celebloki out of nowhere only to return back and tunnel on it later looks forced as hell, and his case for Tla+me scum as well as the fact he votes for Tla over me rings alarm bells. Spreading suspicion everywhere can be a scum or town tactic, but this looks a lot more like scum since it looks a lot like he's trying to be very controlled about it instead of having his reads be fluid.

TNE: A few of Lincolm's posts pinged me, and TNE's general stances did as well. TNE especially basically tunneled Flames+Picard(+Hopkirk, but that came later) scumteam, then day two rolled around and he had to state the fact that his townreads became his scumreads

twice

before actually voting. It looks fake as hell.

MTD: His recent reads are all over the place and some of his comments are completely bizarre in the wrong way.

[Ankamius]

Loran, you're ignoring all the other defenses I made against you that you completely dismissed without even addressing.

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty sure you still have not addressed anything I posted before your bussing case today. Prove me wrong.

[Ankamius]

I posted here about your initial case on me, and your next post on me was here, completely ignoring it.

I responded to THAT post here, which was responded to by you here... a complete dismissal.

That was the only time you showed that you read any of my responses.

[Ankamius]

I put links instead of quotes because it looks cleaner and doesn't take up a lot of unnecessary room.

[Ankamius]

The first one I linked had no responses whatsoever, while the second one didn't address them in the slightest. Unless you went back into them in the latest wall you made (which I still haven't read, btw, but I still doubt you did), then you straight up haven't.

[Ankamius]

@Loran

Since you're going to be stubborn about this...

Spoiler:

Read my iso and then quote what I haven't specifically responded to at all the entire game. I will then quote my responses to those quotes to make it obvious how full of shit you are.

I've been reading some of your meta and my gut says you are scum.

If you truly read into me, then you'd also know that I find meta to be the biggest load of shit you can use for a case.

Also you came in as a replacement and could've brought a fresh perspective to revitalize scumhunting. Instead you go for Flames and Picard, arguably easy pickings because of the messed up attention their beef got early in the game and Flames' peculiar way of speaking. You call Hopkirk town. Hopkirk?!

He's been dropping town vibes all over the place and no one has given a compelling case for him being scum whatsoever. I'm still mystified that people are seeing him as one of their primary scum reads.

You bring nothing constructive to the table, that catchup post was just bad full of "this reeks" comments, which you happen to use in your past scumgames too, whereas as town you are focusing on alignment indicative issues and try to figure stuff out.

Did you read any further than the first three lines of my catch-up post? With the first two points, I'm heavily leaning towards no.

I bet if you were town your wagon would be 2 hitchers richer by now. Because of the way you play I only see two possibilities, you're either PR trying to keep your head down or scum and the amount of effort it needs for a wagon on you to build up can only indicate scum.

Now you're just flattering yourself. The difficulty of a wagon forming on me is not alignment-relevant.

@Loran

However, this statement does indeed break RVS. Let us generate discussion.

This reeks.

Captain Picard's wagon vote on Flames in post #33 reeks.

Flame's posts at the bottom of page 2 reek. He's getting very bad scumtells off nulltells.

Captain Picard #80 is really bad, mainly because of the final part. Assuming that putting a number into your post and saying that it's the exact time you started your post THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG NYEHHHHH just looks like a load of crap.

Flames looks really bad after #85. That vote is the single worst one yet.

Flames of Disaster post 98 is just a bunch of logical stretches and otherwise bad logic.

Picard #148 putting words in NSU's mouth. Not good.

Yes, clearly I went after Flames and Picard because of the former being 'easy' and the latter because of breadcrumbs instead of bad logic and scummy points.

You haven't done anything to discount those points and instead opted to just blanket them in "bad full of this reeks comments", which I used... a grand total of three times in my catch-up post. You know what I would have expected town to do here? Push those points to see what grounds they were based in. Your meta argument is crap as you have given no concrete evidence whatsoever and the assumption you're making with it is just bad.

Your entire case on me is either stretched hideously far or just pulled out of your ass. You want to know why Zekram is going to flip scum? Because there are two people who are desperate to make sure he's not lynched. These two people are someone who's last documented read on Flames is a scumread (Loran) and someone who was supporting a vote on Flames for a long time (Tlachta C). It's curious how things changed as deadline got close.

The first point (and partially the third as well, but not as much) was an invitation for you to prove your meta case. I laid it out completely for you in the second post.
The third point of the first post is directly connected to the unstriked portion of the second, both of which I'm very sure you have never responded to.
The striked out portion was the only thing you bothered responding to, but that was just the dismissal I alluded to about 50 times by now.

[Ankamius]

And to answer your question I do have town reads. I have town reads on Ibarra, Picard, MTD. Null on Lincolm, NSU. I have scum reads on Tla, Lorantha. Undecided on Flames, could be scummy, is new, hard to tell.

I think it's safe to say you are today's ideal lynch then. You decided not to go with putting Flames who you strongly suspect of being scum to L-1 despite 3 of your townreads being on that wagon. You went with Tla instead which which only Flames is on and isn't really happening. You are stalling the development of important information and your actions don't make sense as town.

This is town posting^

Ank, I know this is before your time, but do you have any thoughts on these statements? Do you think it's an accurate description of the way things went down?

Celebloki's only real contribution relating to his scumread on Flames at that point was based on interaction with Tla, which isn't really saying much of anything since he hadn't expressed any scumreads based on anything. I'm not getting any townvibes on Loran's response since I don't really see why voting for Tla despite Flames being the only one on that wagon instead of putting the other (even with almost only townreads on that wagon) at L-1 is scummy. Just the fact that Flames is the only other person voting Tla is reason enough,

especially

if others hop on. It's a valid way to see if his association theory holds water or not.

Tla... idk. Null on that particular post.

[Ankamius]

He's been dropping town vibes all over the place and no one has given a compelling case for him being scum whatsoever. I'm still mystified that people are seeing him as one of their primary scum reads.

I wouldn't call that alignment indicative at all, whereas Cele had Flames as a scumspect and decided not to put him at L-1 because he said he doesn't want a quicklynch.

You haven't done anything to discount those points and instead opted to just blanket them in "bad full of this reeks comments", which I used... a grand total of three times in my catch-up post. You know what I would have expected town to do here? Push those points to see what grounds they were based in. Your meta argument is crap as you have given no concrete evidence whatsoever and the assumption you're making with it is just bad.

Your entire case on me is either stretched hideously far or just pulled out of your ass. You want to know why Zekram is going to flip scum? Because there are two people who are desperate to make sure he's not lynched. These two people are someone who's last documented read on Flames is a scumread (Loran) and someone who was supporting a vote on Flames for a long time (Tlachta C). It's curious how things changed as deadline got close.

Would you please just die. Thank you.

I just want to be clear, is this what you are saying happened? Feedback from either party is welcome. Oh yeah, in 770

I don't understand what the first two points have to do with each other (in case it's a misunderstanding, my quote was about Hopkirk) or with the other two.

[Ankamius]

The point in all the posts I quoted were pretty much the entire post, which is why I just linked it instead of quoted since it's more readable.

Basically, I responded to his initial case on me, which he addressed none of in the one I quoted (two of which he

used as part of his case again anyway

). I posted another one calling him out on his two points on me... which he dismissed.

[Ankamius]

Yes to the first post.

Yes to the second, although I'm not sure what to make about him completely ignoring it yet. The TNE read+vote are decent pluses though.

[Ankamius]

The two

points

(dropped a word in the parentheses within #785) were the "reeks" comments and meta. That's the other one I was attacking.

[Ankamius]

Rather than strike at the accusation he implodes waving his stance on meta - irrelevant

The way you're using it is exactly why I find it to be complete shit.

You stated two things about my meta that you said makes me scum: gut, and when I use "this reeks" comments. My very next post after this one to you goes more into this.

I've also tried to get you to provide evidence multiple times.

Also you came in as a replacement and could've brought a fresh perspective to revitalize scumhunting. Instead you go for Flames and Picard, arguably easy pickings because of the messed up attention their beef got early in the game and Flames' peculiar way of speaking. You call Hopkirk town. Hopkirk?!

You are quoting me. That's about the most trollish thing I've seen. Am I supposed to respond to what I've written? You had one simple job, to quote me your statements that you ludicrously keep affirming I had been "completely ignoring".

You're kidding, right?

He's been dropping town vibes all over the place and no one has given a compelling case for him being scum whatsoever. I'm still mystified that people are seeing him as one of their primary scum reads.

I went and looked at what I quoted in response to you, and I have no idea how you can possibly think that this quote wasn't a response to the last one.

Rather than give arguments he prefers to be mystified

That's funny. I only responded in kind to your Hopkirk comment.

You bring nothing constructive to the table, that catchup post was just bad full of "this reeks" comments, which you happen to use in your past scumgames too, whereas as town you are focusing on alignment indicative issues and try to figure stuff out.

Did you read any further than the first three lines of my catch-up post? With the first two points, I'm heavily leaning towards no.

Rather than let negative, subjective generalizations against the quality of his posts slide or find concrete evidence against it he asks rhetoric questions.

It was already obvious that it was a sarcastic way of saying your point was bullshit, but I also went into this in more detail later.

HINT: It meant that I only used that as the only justification for the first three or so lines.

I bet if you were town your wagon would be 2 hitchers richer by now. Because of the way you play I only see two possibilities, you're either PR trying to keep your head down or scum and the amount of effort it needs for a wagon on you to build up can only indicate scum.

Now you're just flattering yourself. The difficulty of a wagon forming on me is not alignment-relevant.

Says I'm flattering myself as an introductory statement so that the blatantly false statement that follows doesn't stick out that much. Reluctance of a legit wagon forming up is alignment-relevant to an immense degree.

It really isn't. The only time I've noticed it to be alignment-indicative in the slightest is if it's too

easy

to get a wagon on someone. Whenever a wagon simply won't start, I find it almost always means everyone is less willing to entertain them as a lynch option over other targets regardless of alignment. If both town and scum are ignoring your case, chances are the reason isn't because the target is scum.

[Ankamius]

There's his odd attitude towards hopkirk

Uh, no.

If you seriously try to lynch Hopkirk, I'm going to make sure you are not taken seriously for the rest of the game.

Keep in mind that Anka didn't give any reasons for Hopkirk being town. He just... kind of was. We can talk about Hopkirk's contribution to the game a bit later. But for now... this doesn't read as somebody with just a strong townread. This reads as somebody who desperately wants other players to back off of Hopkirk. Why? No reason given. And then, we learn in 373 that Anka didn't even read the whole game, but just got up to Page 11. So, he has this extremely strong townread on Hopkirk, to the point that he'll threaten other players to back off? Odd.

post 51 - If Hopkirk is thinking the same thing I am here, then he is sooooo town. Otherwise, he's probaly town.

Yeah... no reason. I got a major scumvibe from Flames in the several posts before that one and Hopkirk gave me a strong impression that he was thinking the same way I was. Nothing else in his ISO pinged me for scum and I found every attack on him to be quite ridiculous, only escalating the townread further.

374- Anka's analysis here is weird. It's not quite IIoA, because he does give opinions on the actions he is spectating. But... typically it amounts to "this is bad", "this is also bad", etc. etc. He rarely actually allows us into his thought process and explain WHY these things are scummy. They just are, by fiat. Though to be fair he does give reasons for SOME of his analysis, so... it's more or less a wash. And to his credit, his reads DO change this time. Maybe I was wrong about him? Well, let's continue.

What exactly is the point of this? You just spent four lines arguing with yourself and your conclusion is that you don't know.

In 441, he blatantly defends Saki. Not sure yet if this is legitimate, scum trying to get towncred by saying "No" on an easy lynch, or Saki being his buddy. I'd lean towards 1 or 2.

Titus is here! Man the cannons!

Okay, but in all seriousness, if you're talking about #431, you're stretching this point horrifically far. I'll get into this later.

So, let's get to when you blatantly hop onto Zekrom's wagon. There's two days until deadline. Still plenty of time to push a case on Loran or Tlacha (Heck, Tlacha already has a vote, you could move there and try and generate some momentum!), but instead to hop onto easy-lynch Zekrom, and push him to L-1. And then, instead of wanting a vig shot on Loran or Thalcta, two players whom you've been calling scum for the majority of the day... you argue for a vig on Saki. Who you were defending back in 441. Just 35 posts ago.

You're missing one key compenent: who the wagons consist of. My other strong townread was voting for Zekrom at the time along with a scumread and two nullreads. The Tlachta C voter was Zekrom... one of my strongest scumreads. The only other wagon was on me, which I'm obviously not going to support for obvious reasons.

I never said anything about alignment. I only said I saw it as a playstyle before.

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAAAAIN!

Also, please point me to a (finished) game you were in with him that he played like this and was town.

Here -> His ISO for that game

The only other game I'm aware of that he played on that site was this. He was town and played basically the same way.

So, let me try and understand your thought process here Anka. You say that this playstyle isn't unusual for Saki. You cite TWO TOWN GAMES in which he plays like this, and not a SINGLE SCUM GAME. And yet... this post has absolutely nothing to do with alignment?

What you're quoting is me answering a question about a finished game where I played with Saki while Saki was town, so no shit I'm going to post town games. This doesn't mean that playing the same way makes him town just as much as playing differently makes him scum.

And yes, it has nothing to do with alignment because I

never said

it had anything to do with alignment. I posted #382 and #383 because Picard asked me a bunch of questions about Malakittens and Saki which basically explained every single one.

Why did I suggest a vig shot on Saki? Because he was being completely useless and I had past experience as evidence to believe he would continue to be completely useless. It's better to vig off completely useless players before it becomes dangerous to.

Basically, your entire case on me about Saki is completely bogus.

597- Oh, look! A completely non-committal mention of Mala, which is the only mention of Mala all game, aside from his reads, in which he declares her null-town!

The last point is explained in #382.

I'd like to ask you a question: Why is me mentioning Mala only two times scummy? I will only accept an answer that has nothing to do with Saki, as I've already shown that most of my mentions of the latter were responses.

[Ankamius]

...

@Mod: Can you fix the link in the last quote in #882? Thanks!

[Ankamius]

Out of everything else in the past three pages, I don't have a whole lot else to say other than Jon's posts in page 35 make him look even worse in my eyes. #853 and #856 don't look like townposting.

And yes, I'm aware #856 is probably sarcasm. It looks like scum sarcasm.

[Ankamius]

@Amkamius

Strictly in terms of what you have been saying I ignored completely and me putting my reply quote right next to your quotes to show how you were lying, that's what I'm curious to see your input on.

Whenever you're ready.

That specifically was proven wrong, but it took you quite a long time to respond to them.

[Ankamius]

@ Loran who would you recommend (up to two) that I ISO alongside you that'd most prove your Town this game. Until further notice my vote isn't moving before deadline.

Out of everything else in the past three pages, I don't have a whole lot else to say other than Jon's posts in page 35 make him look even worse in my eyes. #853 and #856 don't look like townposting.

And yes, I'm aware #856 is probably sarcasm. It looks like scum sarcasm.

Is your accusation here that I was only asking for appearance's sake? Just wanting to make sure we're on the same page.

I guess scum could take the risk, but what if a smart Townie used the info I'm asking for to firm up their reads? What is the gain that I as scum was going for? To appear busy looking for scum? I

am

voting Loran presently. The funny thing about your post is it sounds like you may be trying to link me and Loran as a scum team. Is that the case?

I'll stop post spamming and wait for others to post before I continue.

The accusation is that the way you phrased that question makes it look like you have confirmation bias that Loran is town. It reeks of you setting up to move onto another wagon in advance and it looks manufactured.

As for the town-motivated section... I fail to see how this question has any use whatsoever, especially since Loran has basically been doing essentially nothing but repeating the same thing over and over again in different forms for half of the game. If it was a reaction test, it was a badly designed one.

[Ankamius]

Unvote: Loranthaceae

Vote: MTD

[Ankamius]

Unvote: Jon_h61

Vote: MTD

[Ankamius]

Feel free to explain how it is one, because I'm voting MTD since his latest vote is awful.

[Ankamius]

His vote is on Neil who said I was calling him out for being too nice. This acting dumb shitfest has to stop sometime. You can't be serious about me having to explain the notion of chainsaw defense to you.

I'm not going to explain anything to you because it's literally pointless to.

[Ankamius]

Can someone tl;dr the walls?

[Ankamius]

1. Ank - I would but I would probably be majorly biased. I'd highly recommend you just read them, and get it out of the way. Also here's a question for you: What are your reads? You're vote if I'm not mistaken, is currently on MTD. Why? What is your case specifically for him?

Titus and Hopkirk are my major townreads at this point. You and Saki are town. The rest are scumleans.

Look at how the wagons formed on Tlachta C at the beginning of the day and how it formed on neil1113 now. Loranthaceae and TNE (Hayate) were balls deep in the wagon for most of the day, but no one else really bit for it. Now that neil1113's in, jon and MTD are more than willing to hop on. That's basically every scumread I've had this day phase on a single wagon.

This makes me think that there's scum influence on the wagon. I've been seeing town motivation in neil's posts in the few that I've actually looked at as well as clearly more intelligent posting than Tlachta C's sarcastic derpiness, so I'm thinking scum are willing to join the wagon now that the slot is more likely to be a problem if left alive.

Now. If anyone has a case on neil1113, point me to it or tl;dr it, because I want to be more sure of who the scum (or scumS) on the wagon are. I'm more certain right now that it's MTD, but the whole wagon reeks.

I'll go into MTD a bit later.

[Ankamius]

@Ank/Loran, how the fuck are you both reading Saki as town?

I have enough scumreads that I doubt there's any scum outside of that list.

Plus, too many people are trying to half-heartedly push him. It feels like they're trying to set-up an easy mislynch in LyLo.

[Ankamius]

Ank you are so scum when you're scum it's ridiculously obvious. I might just replace in to every one of your future scumgames and get you lynched so I can pimp up my town record.

Is that why you've been voting Tla/neil this entire day phase?

[Ankamius]

With Hayaki replacing out, I'm not sure if his inactiveness is because of real life problems or because he's scum.

Are you thinking of Hopkirk?

[Ankamius]

Tell me in your own words what makes you confidant neil isn't scum.

Look at how the wagons formed on Tlachta C at the beginning of the day and how it formed on neil1113 now. Loranthaceae and TNE (Hayate) were balls deep in the wagon for most of the day, but no one else really bit for it. Now that neil1113's in, jon and MTD are more than willing to hop on. That's basically every scumread I've had this day phase on a single wagon.

This makes me think that there's scum influence on the wagon. I've been seeing town motivation in neil's posts in the few that I've actually looked at as well as clearly more intelligent posting than Tlachta C's sarcastic derpiness, so I'm thinking scum are willing to join the wagon now that the slot is more likely to be a problem if left alive.

Now. If anyone has a case on neil1113, point me to it or tl;dr it, because I want to be more sure of who the scum (or scumS) on the wagon are. I'm more certain right now that it's MTD, but the whole wagon reeks.

[Ankamius]

I've ignored the majority of all the walls and other shit, so point them out to me so I can maintain interest in reading them.

[Ankamius]

Actually, I think MTD isn't a play today regardless of if I make a case on him or not. Going for someone who already has support is better than trying to brute force a new wagon. I'm not all that picky on which of my scumreads get offed and I still find Hayate's case on me to be one of the scummier things this game.

UNVOTE: MTD
VOTE: Hayate Yagami

@978: All those points are awful. Assuming the three neil quotes were your points (since I can't find them anywhere else): the first one looks like an accurate paraphrase to me. You said that my page-7 reads were wrong so you wouldn't have much faith in my posts. Considering how old that post you quoted was (and the fact it

wasn't even the most recent

reads post I had made while catching up), it's reasonable to think that having such a big relative time skip would mean it would at least last a long time.

The second point is either a misrep or a misunderstanding. He never mentioned your name specifically, but your

slot

. That means Ibarra is included.

The third point... I don't believe in most scumtells. There's a couple ones I keep hidden that have proven to be fairly reliable, but the ones that are well known or just kind of floating out there aren't what I would consider reliable.

So yeah, color me very unimpressed. I will not support a neil lynch today.

[Ankamius]

Look at my response to Hayate's case on me. That should put some perspective into at least my scumread on the slot.

[Ankamius]

Hey guys, neil just hopped off a wagon that could end up being his only chance of surviving. He's town.

[Ankamius]

Hey dopog. Is there anything in particular from my ISO you want me to address?

[Ankamius]

It isn't remotely hard to figure out who my lynch targets are. They haven't exactly changed.

[Ankamius]

I would very much like dopog to answer my question before deadline, though. It's an important one.

[Ankamius]

Why would you want even more walls in the thread. Who the fuck is going to read it.

[Ankamius]

As town you should be curious about other players' thoughts on the game. You're not, therefore you must be scum. Ezpz. Until you can fake that at least a little bit I will be in each one of your scumgames convincing people to lynch you.

Yeah, I'm curious as to their thoughts. I'm not curious as to

every single

thought they have over the entire game. I've played with mastin2 before, so I know how fucking terrible huge walls are to read. I don't know why you're so hellbent on wanting this page filled to the brim with shit no one's ever going to read.

[Ankamius]

So now Loran's just trying to tunnel... again... with something that's relevant to virtually nothing.

Right. Back to ignoring him for the rest of the game.

[Ankamius]

Saki, Loran votes won't help anything. He's a better vig shot.

[Ankamius]

Now you understand why the neil1113 wagon is so bad, MTD.

[Ankamius]

No but seriously, all three members of that slot scummed it up, ending dramatically with Hayate's bad case on me followed by the next post having three paragraphs of misreps against Hopkirk and overreacting to being called a lurker. Then after that... nothing.

[Ankamius]

So Hayate is our lynch choice?

MTD: How do you feel about Hayate? I don't think you gave a read on him recently unless I missed it (which is entirely probable.)

Dopog: Where'd you go? What's your opinion on Hayate?

Well, I still haven't seen a real case on Hayate, so I do not have them as scummy.[/b]
Could you lay out your case there again? I know you said something (about Lincolm and TNE) in your introductory post, but for most points in that, I don't really see them as very scummy or can't follow the logic.
Also it irks me so many people are eager to vote there without actually laying out a real case (starting with Hop and Tla pretty much on the start of D2), so I am thinking it is a town wagon with at least one scum on it atmo.

[Ankamius]

I was going to bold shit, but decided it was pointless to just take out half of the second line and apparently forgot to remove that last bold tag.

[Ankamius]

Hopkirk voted Hayate saying the case was just mostly lurking and slightly OMGUS.

Hayate responded to that with these:

1. Hopkirk misrepped the "lurking" part because it was "coasting" despite the fact that what Hayate was accusing him of was essentially active lurking. That's basically Hayate's entire case when you think about it.
2. It's not OMGUS if you're not going to vote. This is grey territory, since the term applies to votes, but the motivation behind it doesn't have to be. Hayate's response to this was to... you guessed it, overreact.
3. Hopkirk conceded the point... despite the fact that he never did. It's blindingly obvious that Hopkirk was mocking it.

[Ankamius]

I was going to bold shit, but decided it was pointless to just take out half of the second line and apparently forgot to remove that last bold tag.

Ok I guess you mean the last sentence could be applied to the neil wagon?
No, I don't think so, everyone on that wagon has at least given a case, not considering whether it was a good one or not for now.

Actually, that entire post is how I see the neil1113 wagon. I even asked anyone what the case on him was, and all I got was jon_h61 making a bunch of really bad points that were more often incorrect than not. If you want to try, go right ahead.

[Ankamius]

@Ankamius: When you were catching up on the thread (I'm looking at #374) what prompted you to make the notes you did? Also I guess if this question makes sense at what points during the game has MTD been in your top two scumreads? Also could you flesh out your read on saki pleaaase?
Danke

Saki read was null-town for the most part basically because I didn't have any real indication of what his alignment was. My ISO shows why. Just search for null-town in it.

Lately, it turned into a more townish read because when he actually

does

post content, it looks like it had enough thought put into it and not just whatever he could think of in 5 seconds. It would be easier for scum to do the latter than the former and it probably wouldn't amass as much extra suspicion as it otherwise would.

MTD being in my top scumreads is recent. My recent vote on him was partially for this reason, but partially because I wanted to see how he would react. If he had reacted a certain way, I would've written him off as town instead. You can probably guess that he didn't.

I don't understand the notes question.

[Ankamius]

Loran's starting to lean more town than he used to now that he's not death tunneling every single post.

[Ankamius]

Oh. I didn't realize it had been that long since I last posted.

@dopog: It's basically exactly what it says: notes. It's basically a list of my comments and thoughts as I read through the game. I do omit things for reasons, but they're mostly what my thoughts are when I start a game midway through.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.02

Flames of Disaster

(3) -

Tlachta C

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk

Captain Picard

(3) - Lincolm,

Flames of Disaster

, No Stone Unturned

Not Voting (6) -

Malakittens

, Celebloki, Saki,

Loranthaceae

, Ibarra,

MTD

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.04

Flames of Disaster

(5) -

Tlachta C

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

[L-2]

Celebloki (2) -

Loranthaceae

, Lincolm

Captain Picard

(1) - No Stone Unturned

Tlachta C

(1) -

Flames of Disaster

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

, Celebloki, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.05

Flames of Disaster

(5) -

Tlachta C

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

[L-2]

Celebloki (3) -

Loranthaceae

, Lincolm, No Stone Unturned

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Malakittens

(1) - Saki

Not Voting (1) –

Malakittens

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.06

Flames of Disaster

(4) -

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

Celebloki (2) -

Loranthaceae

, No Stone Unturned

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Malakittens

(1) - Saki
Hopkirk (1) - Lincolm

MTD

(1) - Tllachta C

Not Voting (1) –

Malakittens

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.08

Flames of Disaster

(4) - Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

,

Loranthaceae

Celebloki (2) - No Stone Unturned,

Tlachta C

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Loranthaceae

(1) - Saki
Hopkirk (1) - Lincolm

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.09

Flames of Disaster

(5) - Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

,

Tlachta C

, thenewearth [L-2]

Celebloki (2) - No Stone Unturned,

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Loranthaceae

(1) - Saki

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.14

Flames of Disaster

(2) -

Tlachta C

, thenewearth
Ankamius (2) - No Stone Unturned,

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Ankamius

Loranthaceae

(1) - Saki
Hopkirk (1) - Ibarra
Saki (1) -

MTD

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.19

Flames of Disaster

(4) -

Tlachta C

, thenewearth, Ibarra, Ankamius

Captain Picard

(2) - No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk
Ankamius (1) -

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(1) -

Flames of Disaster

Saki (1) -

MTD

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.19

Zekrom25

(3) -

Tlachta C

, thenewearth, Ibarra

Captain Picard

(3) - No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk, Ankamius
Ankamius (1) -

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(1) -

Zekrom25

Saki (1) -

MTD

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.23

Zekrom25

(4) - thenewearth, Ibarra, Titus,

MTD

Ankamius (3) -

Loranthaceae

, Thalcta C,

Captain Picard

Captain Picard

(2) - Hopkirk, Ankamius

Tlachta C

(1) -

Zekrom25

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Vote Count 1.25

Zekrom25

(6) - thenewearth, Ibarra, Titus,

MTD

, Ankamius, Hopkirk [L-1]

Ankamius (3) -

Loranthaceae

, Thalcta C,

Captain Picard

Tlachta C

(1) -

Zekrom25

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.Final

Zekrom25

(7) - thenewearth, Ibarra, Titus,

MTD

, Ankamius, Hopkirk,

Tlachta C

[LYNCH!]

Ankamius (3) -

Loranthaceae

,

Captain Picard

Titus (1) -

Zekrom25

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.02

Ankamius (2) -

MTD

, Tlachta C

Tlachta C

(1) -

Loranthaceae

Saki (1) - Titus

Not Voting (5) - Ankamius, Saki, Ibarra, thenewearth, Hopkirk

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.05

Ankamius (3) -

MTD

, Tlachta C, Titus [L-2]

Tlachta C

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. thenewearth

Not Voting (4) - Ankamius, Saki, Ibarra, Hopkirk

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.09

thenewearth (3) -

Tlachta C

, Hopkirk, Titus [L-2]

Tlachta C

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. thenewearth
Ankamius (1) -

MTD

Loranthaceae

(1) - Ankamius

Not Voting (2) - Saki, Ibarra

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.13

Tlachta C

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. thenewearth
Ankamius (2) -

MTD

,

Tlachta C

Loranthaceae

(2) - Ankamius, Titus
thenewearth (1) - Hopkirk

Not Voting (2) - Saki, jon_h61

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.17

Loranthaceae

(3) - Titus, jon_h61,

MTD

neil1113

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. Hayate Yagami
jon_h61 (2) - Ankamius,

neil1113

Hayate Yagami (1) - Hopkirk

Not Voting (2) - Saki

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.18b

neil1113

(4) –

Loranthaceae

, Hayate Yagami,

MTD

, jon_h61

Loranthaceae

(1) - Titus
Hayate Yagami (1) - Hopkirk

MTD

(1) - Ankamius

Not Voting (2) - Saki,

neil1113

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.22

Hayate Yagami (3) -

neil1113

, Ankamius, Saki

neil1113

(3) –Hayate Yagami,

MTD

, jon_h61

Loranthaceae

(1) – Titus
Ankamius (1) dopog


Not Voting (1) –

Loranthaceae

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.23

Hayate Yagami (4) -

neil1113

, Ankamius, Titus, jon_h61

neil1113

(2) –Hayate Yagami,

MTD

Ankamius (1) dopog

Not Voting (1) –

Loranthaceae

, Saki

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.25

Lucky2u (3) - Ankamius, Titus,

neil1113

[L-2]

neil1113

(3) – Lucky2u,

MTD

, jon_h61 [L-2]

Ankamius (1) - dopog

Not Voting (2) –

Loranthaceae

, Saki

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.27

Loranthaceae

(4) - Titus, Lucky2u, Saki,

MTD

[L-1]

neil1113

(1) – job_h61
Lucky2u (1) - Ankamius
Ankamius (1) - dopog

Not Voting (2) –

Loranthaceae

,

neil1113

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Final Vote Count Day 2

Loranthaceae

(5) - Titus, Lucky2u, Saki,

MTD

,

neil1113

[LYNCH!]

neil1113

(1) – job_h61
Lucky2u (1) - Ankamius
Ankamius (1) - dopog


Not Voting (1) –

Loranthaceae

Vote counts with confirmed alignments filled in.

I'll do a thorough analysis soonish. Just wanted this out of the way so I wouldn't have to do it later. Jon_h61 is looking really bad with the quick glance I've seen, though.

@Mod: Spell check the future vote counts please

[Ankamius]

I'm pro-pause, especially since one of the posts we lost contained a vote.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Dopog

[Ankamius]

I'm really shocked I wasn't ever lynched. Celebloki scummed up the slot quite a bit and I never felt I improved it a whole lot. I thought we were pretty much screwed once Mala flipped.

[Ankamius]

BTW I'm fine with releasing the mafia QT if the other two are.

[Ankamius]

Few other notes:

1. Loran, your meta case doesn't work. I have a town game from about a year ago where I primarily used gut vibes to justify my reads. This is the primary reason why I completely hate meta cases outside of personal experience.
2. neil1113 was the scariest person from town when he replaced in. If he hadn't replaced into a slot that was getting a lot of suspicion onto it already, I think he could have reversed the game significantly.
3. I never saw the JK crumb or anything. I had no idea Picard was the JK until he outed it.
4. I was planning on claiming backup rolecop if I had ended up getting run up.

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty sure the no bussing comments were entirely towards me.

[Ankamius]

It was pretty obvious you were the vig once dopog flipped VT. The kills made absolutely no sense from jon.

[Ankamius]

Deciding to push Tlachta C instead of me in D2 was the biggest mistake. It would have been significantly more difficult to throw enough doubt on your case to stay alive if you had tunneled on me from the start.

[Ankamius]

We're waiting on Mala.