Open 622 - Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[MarioManiac4]

So hi.
I am caught up and it seems like Persivul is trying to control the Town and micromanage everything. Don't have a strong read yet.
VOTE: Persivul

[MarioManiac4]

So hi.
I am caught up and it seems like Persivul is trying to control the Town and micromanage everything. Don't have a strong read yet.
VOTE: Persivul

So far I'm just having some fun. If I do take over town - and sometimes I do - that could be either townie or scummy. You seem to understand that by saying "Don't have a strong read yet." OTOH, you then vote me.

I'm usually only capable of taking over town in newbie games these days. Mario, you might be thinking of Diffusion. But, I've drawn scum so many times since then that no one outside of newbies trusts me anymore.

I voted you because I think it's valuable to vote a scumread no matter how light. And I do think that it leans towards being scummy in a RVS state. RVS seems like nonsense, but I think you could have thought it's very good to control it.

[MarioManiac4]

Persivul and Mario are both town.

Calling me town won't stop me asking for reasoning.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Ricastle

This is a vote

If this is a vote as you say and not typical RVS, what's your reasoning behind it?

RVS=random

voting

stage

[MarioManiac4]

It's random

I got lynched once D1 for using the dice button to randomly select a person to vote for in RVS. I get the idea that a vote that is truly random is scummy because it allows somebody to vote without putting their neck on the line a little but I was town when I was lynched so I'm not sure what to make of this.

Why are you making something out of nothing at all? Seems like you're just trying to look active while not actually helping the town.
For now;
VOTE: Karnage

[MarioManiac4]

Can people just invent a reason for voting me, please? RVS when gone wrong brings nothing to the table, as we can see here.

What's stopping you from doing the same? It's not like you've really done anything to help us break out of RVS.

You haven't done anything to note either.

VOTE: Gendaberry

Bad vote. Genda was calling out hypocrisy.
Re: Persivul; if you haven't noticed I am also trying to get us out of RVS. I just didn't really like the controlling way you went about it, tbh.
I personally think we need some more Karnage votes.

[MarioManiac4]

I've recently played a game with Ricastle in which he explicitly stated that the less involved he was the more his alignment was victorious. I don't think his post is scummier than Karnage at this point. Everyone ignoring me AFTER I voted him makes this more likely to be scum as well. (Right now Genda is a worse vote still. I have a townread there.)

I think Karnage was trying to look helpful while actually trying to not help the town advance.

[MarioManiac4]

Sorry. My vote on Karnage stands for now.

[MarioManiac4]

Sorry. My vote on Karnage stands for now.

Nice contribution. Care to scum hunt?

Nice contribution. Care to actually say something about the player you're voting instead of just sniping?

[MarioManiac4]

It's random

I got lynched once D1 for using the dice button to randomly select a person to vote for in RVS. I get the idea that a vote that is truly random is scummy because it allows somebody to vote without putting their neck on the line a little but I was town when I was lynched so I'm not sure what to make of this.

Why are you making something out of nothing at all? Seems like you're just trying to look active while not actually helping the town.
For now;
VOTE: Karnage

Not worried about looking active. I am legitimately unsure of what to think of a truly random vote. I'd lean towards it being scummy but I've done it myself as town which is why i'm unsure. What do you think?

I think you're making an awfully big molehill out of something you basically think is null.

[MarioManiac4]

Give me a second to read up.

welcome back, its my first game in a long time too. I think we've played together before once?[/quote]
>x votes z
>y votes x
>z buddies y

hmmmm.
don't like the bandwagoning on snarky either. will look closer but i believe he's new so may just be that!

[MarioManiac4]

Aight, Ricastle earlier didn't seem very town motivated. This definitely isn't town motivated.

VOTE: Lowell

And really we do need more activity.

UNVOTE: snarkysnowman this post feels very townish to me

This game is dying. Let's quicklynch someone.

UNVOTE: whoever I'm voting
VOTE: snarky

I don't fully see the case here, but I don't

not

see the case. As good as anything. I'll also accept ricastle (who is sad that I caught him so easily) or Armageddon (who asks silly questions to look like he's participating.

LYNCH!

@Kop-
I am indeed trying to look pro-town and like I'm doing something.

@Ricastle-
Um, kind of serious? I would vote for snarky, sure. He's mostly null to me, but why not? He could easily be scum.

So ricastle and armageddon are your top scum reads but you are ok with lynching a null read? Do you have strong town reads on anybody? Who wouldn't you consider voting for?

Hello, why do your reads suddenly shift to the focus of pressure?

[MarioManiac4]

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

[MarioManiac4]

Hello, why do your reads suddenly shift to the focus of pressure?

Could you elaborate on this for me? you know, with examples?

lol did you see his quick unvote after a null post of snarky? i literally lol'd.

The post just seemed very rational to me. If he were scum I would have expected a more animated response to try and redirect attention off himself and onto lowell.

Why did you expect that?
I don't see the ration in his post. It's like "this earlier was scum. but like, THIS is the scumlord. WE ALSO NEED MORE ACTIVITY"

I don't like Zulfy either, mind you. Votes on the largest wagon (which is not scummy on its own btw) and then goes searching for a reason to justify it? That doesn't look good to me. He's also unusually interested in the Mafia's options (and he wasn't there at the start. I think this could be a traitor signal if traitor knows what scum chose, or even if they don't- seems very concerned with the traitor right now.

Mod; does the traitor know what the mafia chose?

)

[MarioManiac4]

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

[MarioManiac4]

We have a double OMGUS.
A

double

OMGUS.

[MarioManiac4]

Prodge, but I want y'all to take a good look at the Karnage/zulfy possibility.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: mariomaniac

I think he is scum and that jmo is his partner. zulfy is the mafia traitor.

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda,

jmo

. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

Why is he so sure that jmo is voting me when jmo wasn't voting for anybody at the time? my guess is mafia have daytalk and jmo said he would vote me but hadn't had the chance yet.

My bet is that he said that he was scumreading you after my case. I never said it was votes.

I don't like Zulfy either, mind you.

I still like you babe

Votes on the largest wagon (which is not scummy on its own btw) and then goes searching for a reason to justify it? That doesn't look good to me.

Didn't do that +1

He's also unusually interested in the Mafia's options (and he wasn't there at the start. I think

this could be a traitor signal

if traitor knows what scum chose, or even if they don't- seems very concerned with the traitor right now.

Mod; does the traitor know what the mafia chose?

)

LAMIST +1

Good question

tho and thank you mod for answering it

I think a traitor signal is exactly what it was and this was Mario's answer to it. Zulfy then responded in the affirmative to complete the communication.

call it OMGUS, I don't care. This wouldn't be the first time I was mislynched on Day 1.

Mario, if I'm scum, who is my partner? who is the traitor. You have had a total of 3 reads this entire game so far: Persivul as scum early, me as scum, and you "don't like Zulfy", Is everybody else town?

You suddenly scumread me when people pile onto you with me. That is OMGUS.
You're saying I decided to call out my traitor on their traitor-signal.
I'll tell you who's your partner. Zulfy. And I haven't a freaking clue who your traitor is! How am I supposed to guess that?
Oh wait, you're just throwing random questions at me.

[MarioManiac4]

Persivul. Vote Karnage if he's scum with Ricàstle.

[MarioManiac4]

Persivul. Vote Karnage if he's scum with Ricàstle.

hey before your disappear again can you answer the questions I had for you?

My bet is that he said that he was scumreading you after my case. I never said it was votes.

he never said he was scum-reading me though I guess 168 and 169 could be inferred as a scum read.

but, then why wasn't ricastle included?

I could go for Karnage, but I think that it would make more sense for him to have switched the way he did if he was bussing.

that was just a couple of posts before...

Because I'm not infallible.

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

hang on a sec, shouldn't you have said "at least TWO of us are town" or "at least one of THEM is town"?

If just one of you are town then the other three must be scum which would mean I then HAVE to be town.

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I was trying to speak from your pov if town, disproving your theory.

[MarioManiac4]

Persivul. Vote Karnage if he's scum with Ricàstle.

hey before your disappear again can you answer the questions I had for you?

My bet is that he said that he was scumreading you after my case. I never said it was votes.

he never said he was scum-reading me though I guess 168 and 169 could be inferred as a scum read.

but, then why wasn't ricastle included?

I could go for Karnage, but I think that it would make more sense for him to have switched the way he did if he was bussing.

that was just a couple of posts before...

Because I'm not infallible.

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

hang on a sec, shouldn't you have said "at least TWO of us are town" or "at least one of THEM is town"?

If just one of you are town then the other three must be scum which would mean I then HAVE to be town.

I was trying to speak from your pov if you were town, disproving your theory.

[MarioManiac4]

I'd vote Karnage very close to deadline only, I think Ricastle is a better choice to pressure right now.

Scumbuddy located!
Please give reasons ty!

[MarioManiac4]

Because I read Ricastle more scum than Karnage, and I think there's definitely a scum between the two of them.

You leaned the other way based on a case of a Karnage/Ricastle team.

[MarioManiac4]

@mario, what are your throughts on jmo? the fact that he hasn't voted for anybody outside his supposed RVS vote on you? or the fact that he has had little to no contribution to the game?

1. some people don't vote that often.
2. kopslot is town and hasn't done anything. genda has contributed little as have armageddon and marcrell.

[MarioManiac4]

intent to hammer

i'm tired of this.
karnage or zulfy. i don't even really care. to be honest.

they're both mafia anyway.

[MarioManiac4]

okay.
the lead we have right now is karnage. everyone acted so wierdly around his wagon... i really could not imagine a scumteam without karnage in, at this point.
VOTE: Karnage

[MarioManiac4]

My vote on Karnage still stands. Don't really think he's town, sorta hard to describe I guess.

The claims could be a scum gambit but probably isn't. I'm going to steal the five possibilities;

1) Persivul lied. Ricastle could be telling the truth or lying, but is the same alignment as Grenda. (scum!Persivul risked something that had a small chance of being true with no real lynch case)
2) Persivul told the truth. Ricastle could be telling the truth or lying, but again shares the same alignment as Grenda (Roleblocker is a town-only trait). (so persivul claimed he tracked Ricastle to Gendaberry, then Ricastle claims RB as scum? Plausible)
3) Persivul told the truth, Ricastle told the truth, and Grenda is lying. (not really much movitation for genda to do that as scum but can't be ruled out)
4) All three lied => All three share the same alignment. (possible, best solved by flipping one of them just before lylo)
5) All three told the truth => All three share the same alignment. (probable IMO)

[MarioManiac4]

Mario, you don't have ANY sort of input on the game?

Yes. I said that the movement around the Karnage wagon is very scummy. The deadline panic away from his wagon is extremely scummy.

[MarioManiac4]

what has it actually been that long?
i'm generally in agreement with the snarky-readlist thing. it feels like a readlist a scumbuddy prepared with daychat, not remembering to not include snarky.

[MarioManiac4]

Let's take myself out of it. I'm a Bodyguard, I tried to save roflcopter last night but the mafia used Strongman (so we know they also have a 1-shot ninja).

Sorry for causing nonsense. Let's get back to lynching scum though.

like i almost think that massclaim is the best option here. we have claims that mafia have THREE powers so far and with four claims and one PR dead I have a feeling that any remaining PR(s) claiming would just help us establish scum in the group rather than hindering town. I'm not going to actively push it though.

[MarioManiac4]

Snarky, what made you claim? Do you also not understand that claiming without needing is anti town? You had a little amount of pressure on you. If uour claim is true, it's one of the strongest roles we have and you outed yourself.

anyways, we need to get rid of the players we have little to no info on that look like they won't be posting anytime soon. I'm not sure about you guys, but I'm not going to mylo/lylo with someone that hasn't contributed much all game. That's just something that puts major doubt into my head. It doesn't leave you with anything to analyze if you get in that situation and with as many claims that we have, we have this game wrapped up provided no one lied.

I'm phone posting on my way to school, but I'll better explain my reasoning later.

we have loads of prs that can possibly be tested. if arma is scum we can lynch him later but with a ml already under scum's belt a lurker lynch is a bad thing.

[MarioManiac4]

hi im here now, my internet was down last night. catching up.

[MarioManiac4]

my read on karnage feels old and dusty tbh. i cannot, however, townread his recent posts or even scumread them. jmo seems to be trying to take the lead which could be a scum thing; it is no secret mafia are between a rock and a hard place and they need to strongman lynches to win. confirming himself as town is also weird.
arma is still unreadable. he pops up, says hi, votes someone and gives a burst of reasoning and he rarely differs from this cycle.

lowell continues to be lowell.

but i still do want to lynch snarky as well. i stand by the fact scum with daytalk could have given SS, who wasn't considered town and was struggling, a readlist but forgot to exclude ss. the null bit has no reasoning and it isn't organic. i think that is our scumlip.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[MarioManiac4]

If that's your reasoning for me scum, that's pretty weak. I included myself because I was irked at Jmo confirming himself as town and didn't want to do that the other way around, because pretty clearly I know I'm only town confirmed to myself.

And then I claimed so I could stop distracting town with my nonsense.

so in your readlist, you included yourself as null? this isn't "what your reads should be" iirc.

[MarioManiac4]

I wasn't going to say I was a scumread, was I?

no. you were saying you read yourself as null. that is not a thing.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario, you legitamently think that makes snarky scum?

yes!

[MarioManiac4]

gg!
town deserved this one but the pr overload was a bit much.

[MarioManiac4]

i approve the mafia pt's release

[MarioManiac4]

gg!
town deserved this one but the pr overload was a bit much.

You guys chose it! Lol

nope, all scum members where replaced apart from armageddon who was the traitor at that time.

[MarioManiac4]

Makes me feel good. Lol

i thought i could push you on that