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In post 51, MagnaofIllusion wrote:In post 49, Nosferatu wrote:yeah I also hadn't read your post. Get over yourself.
So you are saying it was just pure coincidence that you showed up 10 minutes after someone specifically mentioned your lack of thread presence? I find it as suspect as anything else three pages into the game. Hell, it's not like you were V/LA or anything.
Uh yeah, it was coincidence. You are not so strong a presence that I would go and post specifically becauseyousaid I wasn't here. I was posting in other threads, why do you think I would post there and not here?-
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In post 55, MagnaofIllusion wrote:In post 52, Nosferatu wrote:
Uh yeah, it was coincidence. You are not so strong a presence that I would go and post specifically becauseyousaid I wasn't here. I was posting in other threads, why do you think I would post there and not here?
Um why again do you keep making this about that I mentioned you specifically as the point? Had anyone mentioned your lack of presence and then you popped up 10 minutes later I would find it suspect. I mean is it possible you just plain forgot about this game? Sure, but it worth poking at regardless and your reaction of "Oh get over yourself you aren't that important" pings my gut as a bit outsized honestly.
So vote stays. Plus you are an undead monster out to drink our blood, right?
It's not that you mentioned me. It's that you thought that I would post simply because some random person said I wasn't present.-
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In post 63, OceanWind wrote:In post 49, Nosferatu wrote:yeah I also hadn't read your post. Get over yourself.
Assuming you just now remembered this game, why throw down an RVS vote as opposed to offer your thoughts on the non-serious content in the thread?
not RVS.
24/25 <--- who states suspicion only to come back literally an hour later to put a vote down? I could understand if it were a few minutes later and you were like "oh ya, I forgot to vote him actually" but no, he calls him tryhard scum, which is like ¿qué? cause like one thing is saying he was to lengthy in his response to a naked vote, (which I don't even get I mean when did post length become alignment-indicative) but another is calling him tryhard scum based on one post.-
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In post 95, Ollie wrote:In post 73, Nosferatu wrote:In post 63, OceanWind wrote:In post 49, Nosferatu wrote:yeah I also hadn't read your post. Get over yourself.
Assuming you just now remembered this game, why throw down an RVS vote as opposed to offer your thoughts on the non-serious content in the thread?
not RVS.
24/25 <--- who states suspicion only to come back literally an hour later to put a vote down? I could understand if it were a few minutes later and you were like "oh ya, I forgot to vote him actually" but no, he calls him tryhard scum, which is like ¿qué? cause like one thing is saying he was to lengthy in his response to a naked vote, (which I don't even get I mean when did post length become alignment-indicative) but another is calling him tryhard scum based on one post.
You voted for me with a naked vote, having clearly ignored what had happened so far. So I ask you what you think about what's happened to try & get you to comment on it. You say:"Nothing happened". Which we know is untrue as there was a wagon forming on KT & disagreement about that as well. So you hadn't read the thread & no mention of anything I've done & that you voted for me for any reason at this point. Then when pressed on your out of place RVS vote by OceanWind, you say something I did was scummy to come up with a reason for your vote to try & prove that it wasn't. But you already said that nothing had happened & gave no reason for your vote at the time. As for what you've said about me, basically everything you could possibly use about my play so far including timing of my vote, also ignoring any thought about the context of what I may be doing, to try & justify your vote.
I had read what had happened so far. The last game with KT progressed exactly the same way. Someone naked votes him, he overreacts, wagon forms, people argue over the wagon's existence, blah blah blah. So yes. There was nothing unique about the KT wagon and therefore I dismissed it as nothing at all. It's like treating RVS content as significant. It always happens; nothing special about it to comment on.
So yeah, that invalidates the rest of your wall, so there's nothing else to reply to, try harder next time fam-
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nothing. significant. happened. There was no splitting dynamic that occured between the town, nor was there any flagrant events. Nothing. Significant. Happened. I cannot make this more clear.
My response was that no major event had occured that I needed to take a stance on. That doesn't encompass a post I thought was scummy. If you had asked me if there was anything that pinged me, I would have responded differently.-
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In post 100, OceanWind wrote:In post 95, Ollie wrote:24/25 <--- who states suspicion only to come back literally an hour later to put a vote down?
Why is it scummy that he came back an hour later to vote?
It felt like he forgot that he thought it was scummy or something
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As for Nosferatu's vote on Ollie, what I want to know is why you didn't explain your vote and talk to Ollie when he asked you for your thoughts. Why did it take me accusing you of RVS voting before you explained it?
I'm like 90% I've answered this question with
Nosferatu wrote:nothing. significant. happened. There was no splitting dynamic that occured between the town, nor was there any flagrant events. Nothing. Significant. Happened. I cannot make this more clear.
My response was that no major event had occured that I needed to take a stance on. That doesn't encompass a post I thought was scummy. If you had asked me if there was anything that pinged me, I would have responded differently.-
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In post 107, OceanWind wrote:In post 104, Nosferatu wrote:might've been a good time, but who knows? Cause I didn't.
I'm aware you didn't. My question was why?
In post 105, Nosferatu wrote:what's your angle on this question? Once again, if he asked me if I found anything scummy, I would've talked about my vote. If he or anyone had said anything about my vote I would've explained it.
So, if you no one asked you about your vote, you'd have been happy to let people assume it was an RVS vote and move on? You cast a naked vote that could easily be mistaken as an RVS vote. Why does someone need to ask before you explain it? The one reason I could see for putting down naked votes is to get a reaction from the person you voted. You got that. Then you answered his question literally rather than use it an as opening point to scumhunt, ask him if he knows why you are voting him or question him further.
My "angle" with the question is I want to know why you are not pro-active and need to be prompted by others before you expand on your vote.
idk I just don't feel the need to explain every vote I put down the same post I put it down-
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no, I'm saying that your question did not specifically ask for me to explain my vote and therefore I didn't explain it. It is completely normal for me to put a vote down and not explain it until prompted. In Game Shop Mafia, I put a vote down on davesaz and didn't explain it until I was asked much much later. If you want something from me, ask me directly and don't bullshit me with evidently purposefully vague questions in hope that I would answer what you want me to.-
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In post 109, Ollie wrote:I purposely made it that way to give him a chance to comment on the game in general & his vote for me. & he's making out the fault was in my question & not his answer.
This is you. Saying that you purposefully made your question as all-encompassing and open-ended as you could to make me explain my vote on you.
All-encompassing and open-ended is vague.
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Yes! He wasn't scum hunting til pressed by you about his vote. he had no interest in pressing me til then despite having a great opportunity to, which I purposely gave him. I got no bite on it.
This is you again, confirming that the question was a purposeful opportunity for me to explain my vote and put pressure on you.
these are two of your posts explaining why your question was purposefully vague in hopes that I would answer what you wanted me to.-
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For the last time, I didn't think you wanted me to explain my vote on you. When someone asks me what I thought of what's happened so far, I don't think about individual posts, I think about overarching events. And my opinion of said overarching event was that it was nothing special and it was a normal byproduct of the playerbase that we have.
OceanWind wrote:@Nosferatu - how much of the game had you read when you made your first post?
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In post 125, OceanWind wrote:In post 124, Nosferatu wrote:OceanWind wrote:@Nosferatu - how much of the game had you read when you made your first post?
there's no way it was past 40
Is there a reason you specifically stopped short of reading the three posts before yours?
It can't be past 40 because I didn't reload the page to see the most recent posts. The only posts I would've seen are the ones made before 8:40.-
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In post 127, OceanWind wrote:In post 126, Nosferatu wrote:It can't be past 40 because I didn't reload the page to see the most recent posts. The only posts I would've seen are the ones made before 8:40.
Okay, walk me through your timeline. The reason I'm asking is you apparently caught up with the game before you posted but missed MagnaOfIllusion's post calling you out and said that it had nothing to do with the timing of your post which I'm skeptical about.
1. If you opened up the last page before 8:40, that means it took you an hour and twenty-five minutes just to read the last page. Why did it take an unusually long time to read fifteen short posts?
2. You also responded to him by saying that you were posting in other threads. That's actually not true. You made one post in another thread two hours before your first post in the game this morning and your posts before that were last night.
3. How do you remember the exact time that you opened up the last page?
Background knowledge: as with other 15 year olds in the developed world, I go to school. Fortunately, I go to a private school that permits laptops.
1. It didn't take that long, I just know for sure I didn't read anything from before 8:40.
2. This thread was open but I wasn't posting in it. Unless this thread has been open shorter than I think it has.
3. I know that I found this thread at the end of 1st period. Unfortunately, I didn't get the time to read up on it. 2nd period, I have PE. so no laptops. 3rd period I have English, so laptops. That was when I read from 25 to 40, then went back to the previous page, read from 0 to 24, and then voted Ollie.
ofc then the preview edit screen popped up and I could then see the posts after 40, but I just hit submit again because there was nothing I needed to add.
1st period ends at 8:40 so there's no chance I could anything past that before writing my post.-
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In post 131, OceanWind wrote:Okay, that's a much more believable answer. What are your reads so far?
kill and KT are probably town
magna might be town
Lowell might be scum sorta iffy on that tho
Ollie is probably scum-
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In post 133, OceanWind wrote:Mind explaining the Lowell read? You haven't said anything about him so far.
I'm suspicious of people that come out of nowhere with comments like "x is town" but lowell loves town reading people so I'm iffy.-
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In post 142, Ollie wrote:It surprises me that jmo's vote an hour after his post never set off Nosferatu's scum vote time criteria.
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In post 160, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
See this is where you lose me. Because the most damning of the exchange at 22-25 between Bella and Ollie is not that it took him an hour after posting 24 to vote in 25. It’s that he only voted for Creeper at all because Bella repeatedly badgered him about his read. And Nosferatu doesn’t address that element in his 73 at all.
Why is the time delay more damning then what I pointed out?
I actually didn't read it as bella pressuring him to vote tbh-
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In post 162, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Um, ok.
Really though whether Bella said "Hey vote this person" is fairly irrelevant in the process in my mind. Bella repeatedly requested a real reason from Ollie for his suspicion of Creeper. Ollie only voted after giving his reasoning after being badgered. If you think Ollie is scum for waiting an hour to vote (which really a scum-tell as I see it) you have to think the fact that the only reason he gave said reasoning is because of Bella. Which is odd given the back and forth you had with Ollie regarding being questioned about reasoning on players and his general stance on you not giving it.
Do you disagree?
no I see your point, but when I first read page 1, I didn't see their interaction as bella badgering him for an opinion on KT. Especially since it was a 4-post interaction.
"whaddya think about kt"
"suspicious, I'll be mindful of him"
"why"
"his response to lowell was weird"
*hour wait*
~vote~
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This feels like a major stretch. You just said they stated a suspicion, so how could they forget that he thought it was scummy within the same post?
oh ya, I forgot 24 and 25 are the same number.-
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Hedging where?-
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In post 195, acryon wrote:In post 192, Nosferatu wrote:why would you be worried about being lynched rn lol
I said I wasn't.
why'd you even mention it tho-
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I can't fix what you're reading. This is my natural play. I make observations that often don't follow up and eventually I make a case on a player. Sometimes the case proves correct in their response, and other times it doesn't and the cycle repeats.
What could I tell you now? A ton of things. I think Imperium didn't fully believe in my ollie case but voted anyway. I don't believe that you honestly think your vote should be on me. Why? Because you have no case right now. Right now you have a generic statement. The majority of posters here aren't doing anything. So why are you focusing on me out of everyone who isn't ocean and magna is a thought I'm mulling over right about now.
I don't even believe that you're properly reading this slot. You said "early on Ollie began his 1v1 with Nosferatu" but in reality I started it when I called his vote on KT scummy. There was no clear winner in the argument, and the only way Ollie was winning was in post count. 99 was apparently a sign I was on the defense, but it's really not. I said "there's no winning this argument" before he even got a chance to respond to the response I gave to him the post earlier, and at that point there was no outstanding argument he had made that I hadn't adequately answered, and I haven't shifted opinions when brought under fire from them, I maintained the same arguments throughout, and so did Ollie. There was no winner in the bout.
Now in your previous posts, you've been accusing Ocean of jumping in on me and Ollie's 1v1. You're not wrong here, but your presenting this as something scummy, but a scum read on me for "faux-scumhunting" and a scum read on Ocean for opportunistic intervention doesn't make sense, since Ocean was pushing me along with Ollie, so are you suggesting a bussing interaction here? But you're attacking me first but not Ocean. So obviously not. If you thought I was scum with Ocean in this case, I'd think you'd go for Ocean first here, since he was who you were talking to first. But you diverged from your 1v1 with him to start this interaction here.
I guess the real question is here, what are you doing? I think you're just looking for a reason to build a case because you don't have one. If you're not, why you're diverging from your conversation with ocean to vote me with no real backing is an enigma to me.
TL;DR I'm still reading-
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In post 282, acryon wrote:In post 281, Nosferatu wrote:Now in your previous posts, you've been accusing Ocean of jumping in on me and Ollie's 1v1. You're not wrong here, but your presenting this as something scummy, but a scum read on me for "faux-scumhunting" and a scum read on Ocean for opportunistic intervention doesn't make sense, since Ocean was pushing me along with Ollie, so are you suggesting a bussing interaction here?
I thought it was clear from my back and forth with Ocean that I now feel less confident in that scumread, so you can consider it independent of my scumread on you.
great, but I still fail to see how I'm being scum read by you. Unless you've got a case hidden somewhere I can see that has some concrete reasons laid out that I can respond to other than "recent posts haven't been questions with follow up".-
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In post 397, OceanWind wrote:In post 281, Nosferatu wrote:If you thought I was scum with Ocean in this case, I'd think you'd go for Ocean first here, since he was who you were talking to first. But you diverged from your 1v1 with him to start this interaction here.
You lost me here. What's scummy about "diverging" from his conversation with me to vote you? This reads almost as if you want me and Acryon to continue arguing with each other as opposed to with you. If he thought you and I were mafia together, why do you think he should continue pushing me as opposed to you? Just because he was already talking to me? If so, at what point would you expect him to go after you if he thought you were mafia too?
I think it's weird that he went out of his way to suddenly start talking to me.-
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In post 418, Killthestory wrote:Bella was pushing me to push my reads list since it was so fucked up early on. Clearly scum there, how could I have been so blind? We're lynching Bella today tbh.
is this just the only reason why you're scum-reading bella or are the other ones beyond my understanding as I'm not god's gift to this game
In post 438, Ollie wrote:Severa has posted recklessly & she doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks. Not reading her as as scum so far. In fact she's been so abrasive that she can go in my town pile. That attitude would be suicidal for scum.
like tbh ^
UNVOTE: ollie-
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In post 514, Ollie wrote:In post 513, Xisiqomelir wrote:Can you order the remainder of your scum-leaning list of {Lowell,Bellaphant} for me? Are they scum together, assuming you are correct about Nosferatu?
1. Bella 2. Lowell. I have no link for them.
I can see a link from me to Lowell but not from me to bella or bella to Lowell-
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Also Ollie could you answer this if you haven't done so already?-
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In post 521, Ollie wrote:In post 518, Nosferatu wrote:In post 514, Ollie wrote:In post 513, Xisiqomelir wrote:Can you order the remainder of your scum-leaning list of {Lowell,Bellaphant} for me? Are they scum together, assuming you are correct about Nosferatu?
1. Bella 2. Lowell. I have no link for them.
I can see a link from me to Lowell
Go on then...
dammit I got confused with lowell's posts in my other game with him-
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In post 520, Ollie wrote:
In post 160, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 76, Bellaphant wrote:Mm, benefit of the doubt is he was waiting for a response from me, but it was super weird. Kt's defensiveness is not something I've seen from them, but I've played with them twice and were an easy mislynch once and a modkill the second time.
One of the votes on him is prolly scum.
If this is the case why aren’t telling us which player that most likely is?
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I fail to see how this is her hedging.-
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In post 547, Ollie wrote:Tell me what you think of Lowell & Imperium then Nos...
& do you have any town leans?
tonally Lowell does not remind me of my earlier game with him (I was scum and he was town)
Imperium I feel acted weird about your slot. He jumped on it pretty quick. Like he voted you, but apparantly found nothing scummy about the exchange with bella. Just thought it was "worthy of observation".
Still entering my sphere of interest so I need to look at that ISO thoroughly before making a conclusion.
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In post 558, ChurchOfMercy wrote:In post 557, ChurchOfMercy wrote:In post 555, OceanWind wrote:In post 325, ChurchOfMercy wrote:DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.
What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.
Oh, hell, I forgot all about it.
Sorry.
Finishing now.
Nosferatu - I said that my Day1 play is shit, I'm better on Day3. My Day1 play is light years beyond what Nos has been doing all game. Scum.
fam you haven't done shit-
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In post 567, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 532, Nosferatu wrote:I fail to see how this is her hedging.
You do? Please explain why repeatedly saying that there is scum on a wagon but doing nothing in relation to tracking down said scum from their play re: the wagon isn’t hedging against giving actual reads.
I only saw her say there was scum on the kt wagon once, but saying there's scum on a wagon and not identifying scum on the wagon isn't hedging. It's not following through.-
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In post 571, Lowell wrote:^^^ this is a scummy post
doing exactly what he said he would do previously is scummy?