Open 654 | Surrealism - Game over

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Skold

Okay, so this is scum. I legit scumread every post they've made thus far. Something is just wrong here and it is the colour of their role PM.

Join me!

[Aristophanes]

Was he town in that game?
And why should I care?

Actually, link so I can Iso skim?

[Aristophanes]

Anyway, I'd go for BlackStar/Skold anyway.

Good, someone who I can agree with!

[Aristophanes]

Np I can wait. Also, you should totally be rad and get an avatar. JS

[Aristophanes]

It's not officially done, but the scum team requested an early finish, so it's as good as done.

Let me know when the mod calls the came completed and I'll read this. It's a grey area, so I get your taking the liberty of using it, but I'd prefer we not toe the line on this stuff.

Basically, be careful not to link ongoing games. I'd hate to see you get a temp ban for it!

Reads so far: Zack!Town, Gamma!Townlean, Blackstar!Nullscum, Skold!Scum

[Aristophanes]

Okay, I believe it's time to start RQS. I'll be taking three suggested questions this time, so think of something that could help advance the game.
1: What is your preferred faction: Town or Mafia?
2: What role interests you the most? Does not have to be in this setup.
3: What do you think the differing factions will do to town's chances?
4: REQUEST SLOT
5: REQUEST SLOT

I was just about to be Rade you for RQS because, well, that's still a thing!?
But like, this is the first time someone has actually made then kinda game related. So I'll comply!

1. I like being Scum better, but play it worse. Like, I have a small handful of good scumgames from the past 3 years of play despite liking it better.

2. SK is my all time favourite and I can expand on that later if people are curious.

3. Depends how we play. I have already seen some suggestions that could result in a speedy demise of us townies. They have been noted mentally (let's hope I can remember them). One of these things is to not townbloc for good scumhunting, because both factions are doing so. It is really easy for scum to blend in in multifaction games, so don't let them fool you! They want to catch scum as much as you do!

4. Uhh...I was gonna ask something but can't think of anything good that won't out strategies and hurt town in the long run...

5. Pineapple does not belong on Pizza. Discuss. (Don't actually discuss it. I'm just filling in the space provided.)

[Aristophanes]

If you want to add to the current list do it like this
#: Your question goes here
in a separate post.

"Please and thank you" says Gemerald.

Also, can I call you Gemerald?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: skold

THIS DUDE IS TRYING TO WAY TOO HARD

FOS THE GUY WHO'S TRYING TO ASK RANDOM QUESTIONS ON PAGE 3

I agree with Pt1. Pt2, not so much. Still a townread.

[Aristophanes]

Noted!

Also, I don't see the fuss about Aubrey and think his posts are quite fine.

[Aristophanes]

Town hunting and PoE aren't as effective in multifaction games, as I said above.

[Aristophanes]

I mean that if the setup is forced to select the same row or column on both grids, we don't have to worry too much about fakeclaims and such, we only have to deal with more nightkills and the lack of full clears. Basically, the simpler our situation is, the better.

Except it's a row or column from each, randomly. I believe we could get two rows, two columns, or a mix, and it states an example on the Wiki with a mafia row and a Werewolf column (or vice versa). So it could be any combination iiuc.

[Aristophanes]

Jester, I'm not gonna shit on town hunting, just saying one us be careful when doing so.

And a scum flip only helps us nab 1 faction really. The other is still an enigma at that point.

[Aristophanes]

If someone could find a Mega Rayquaza that fits, that would be great.

I resize all of mine in paint. very easy as I can do it by Pixel size, so I know it will fit!

Take your pick!

Spoiler: Mega Rayquazae

[Aristophanes]

Whoops. I meant that to be a PM. And the links spoilered. Oh well!

These should all work for you Gamma!
Catching up atm.

[Aristophanes]

I don't like aristo' posts because they give off this kind of "rally around me, please consider me a town leader!" vibe and I don't trust people who do that. Also he has me as a scum lean, so he clearly has bad reads so far.

I give those vibes? Really?
Neat!
I mean, I'm happy to help take the reins if I happen to be one of the more experienced players here, but we'll see where that goes. I am merely speaking from this place of experience and therefore may have more weight to my opinions. What makes you distrust my more confident posts?

[Aristophanes]

2. The point is it gets people talking. Talking about anything is better than talking about nothing. Someone says their favorite is mafia, they are more likely to become disengaged as town.

I mean, that's a little dubious. I think the answers to that are rather NAI tbh. Saying you like scum better doesn't mean a damn thing!

[Aristophanes]

@Blackstar

What do you make of Aubrey refusing the "not scum because newbie" read I gave her?

On a scale of "more likely than random to be evil" to "SCUM SCUM LYNCH LYNCH" how strongly are you actually scumreading Aubrey? Because I could see an early vote based on the former but you're arguing as if it's the latter.

That first point: anyone who says "don't trust me even though I'm town telling" is either ballsy scum or town.

I agree, but wasn't going to answer because I haven'y seen Blackstar answer yet. I agree though.

Also, nice Avatar

[Aristophanes]

I don't like aristo' posts because they give off this kind of "rally around me, please consider me a town leader!" vibe and I don't trust people who do that. Also he has me as a scum lean, so he clearly has bad reads so far.

I give those vibes? Really?
Neat!
I mean, I'm happy to help take the reins if I happen to be one of the more experienced players here, but we'll see where that goes. I am merely speaking from this place of experience and therefore may have more weight to my opinions. What makes you distrust my more confident posts?

I've seen too many games where someone acts like a town reader for most of the game and then we find out at the end that they were scum the whole time. And even in the games where they're actually town, those type of people often make a bad choices that still end in a town loss. So I prefer to do my own thing

That's no problem, I encourage you to do your own thing, as long as it helps town!

Also, as scum, that is not my MO and I can pretty much point to every scumgame I've had as evidence. As town I tend not to until Lylo when I usually lose the game for town, so there's that too... lol

Also, thanks for the above quote. I hadn't gotten there yet, but I appreciate the followup

[Aristophanes]

Town hunting and PoE aren't as effective in multifaction games, as I said above.

So you want me to make shit up? Well your name begins with an A so you're scum. Mafia has an A in it while Werewolf doesn't so I can probably look for another A to put you with.

....
This is what you got out of that post?
Really!?

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, I understood that it meant 5/10, but that despite being weak it was stronger than the others.

However, those other two lines are jibberish.

[Aristophanes]

You think that I'm scum, so obvuously you're off base.

This is the second time you've used this as a defense/shade mechanism.
Noted.

[Aristophanes]

If I know that I'm town, of course I'm going to think that way

Yeah, but it convinces nobody but you, and makes me raise an eyebrow. These kinds of posts could easily come from scum, especially earlygame when they are trying to get into a towny mindset and blend in. So show me in actions that you are town rather than trying to tell me so!

[Aristophanes]

Where is Javajoe26 and BTD6_Maker? One could almost forget they are part of this game.

I legit did...

[Aristophanes]

I think the issue is anyone thinking that

anyone

could have a strong scumread on page 8 of the game.

When is it appropriate to have a strong scumread then?

[Aristophanes]

How did I get 5 pages behind!?

Give me a couple more days and I'll be back. Sorry everyone!

[Aristophanes]

How did I get 5 pages behind!?

Give me a couple more days and I'll be back. Sorry everyone!

You didn't really miss anything

There honestly hasn't been much to miss overall in this game yet, so I'm not surprised lol

[Aristophanes]

How did I get

5

10 pages behind!?

Give me a couple more days and I'll be back. Sorry everyone!

[Aristophanes]

Ohey S_S!

Welcome!

[Aristophanes]

Then you can also go into your Ari meta read.

Ari I will wait to discuss until he catches up.

I'm still not caught up, but Inb4 "he lurks as scum, therefore scum."

Which is wrong.

[Aristophanes]

Why do people quote wall?
Wtf is the point of it!?

Either spoiler it or link the posts. The above clutter the thread and makes your point far less compelling because people like me singly won't read them.

Smart, where have I seemed fake?

[Aristophanes]

Hello Aristo, caught up yet? If you haven't, then I don't know why you keep posting. A lot of us are waiting to hear an in depth post from you regarding what all has happened and your thoughts behind them.

Tomorrow after work I will be. Sorry I'm holding everyone up!

[Aristophanes]

K, Imma do this then go back to school readings.

I'll be back soon(ish) with reads and comments.

[Aristophanes]

*sigh*

I literally am writing about weird interactions and stuff in my catchup, then I refresh and see this shit.

WTF is with people this game??

[Aristophanes]

Well, no. But I mean people seem either to just be weird or on edge a lot this game.

Iunno, maybe it'll make more sense as I read more..

Also, if you should be saying it, then I'm not wrong to. Amirite!

[Aristophanes]

Might be down for Gamma

[Aristophanes]

Oh yeah, the last time I read the thread I decided to be a sarcastic jerk... this should be fun
I also remember thinking I was blatantly obvtown before I disappeared. That might just be me though..

To start, 191sucks ass. This is a possible scum post by Mimik.

And speaking of early strong scumreads:

VOTE: Skold

Okay, so this is scum. I legit scumread every post they've made thus far. Something is just wrong here and it is the colour of their role PM.

Join me!

You haven't really talked at all about this read since you gave it on page 2. Can you go into more detail and also say how this read has progressed since then?

I'll see how this progresses and address it after the catchup should it hold true. I have a feeling it will.

216 to 224 are also just a weird interaction. What's with people and weird interactions this game!?
Gamma getting mad about Zack/Black stuff also knocks him down a peg (down is scummier, up is townier).

237 is disgusting and more scumpoints to Gamma.

251 to 256 are another set of useless posts where people suck and don't really discuss the game while simultaneously pissing each other off at the drop of a hat. I really didn't miss much while I was gone, did I.
I should clarify that I don't think Zack is unnecessarily abrasive overall and this isn't meant as commentary on him specifically.

What I want everyone to answer is:
Do you find MeowMix's asking about my opinion on voting me alignment indicative?

Meh, not really. I like that he did it though, and I don't think he was necessarily offbase, even if I don't see how he could have gotten there naturally. Though your persistence on pushing this question is interesting. What did you get out of the answers, and what were you trying for if you didn't?

Great now someone else is being passive aggressive. To be fair, MeowMix did add to that read.

There we go! Finally someone sums up the game properly!

By the way, for GE's 5th question, my most hated tactic is strongarming. In strongarming you tunnel someone while refusing to answer any questions or give reasons (and taking requests for reasons to be obvscum). RadiantCowbells did it to me on Day 2 of Newbie 1700.

a) That's called a DeathTunnel. Strongarming a lynch just means that you push it through. The two do work well together though.
The real reason I quoted this is because I'd forgotten about the RQS section until you did this, and I don't see why such obvious filler is required.

This is pages 8-13. I'm really slow sometimes.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I know my presence is unusually low, but u swear it is due to IRL circumstances.

Mimikyu, when did we play before? I am drawing a blank.

[Aristophanes]

I swear*

Autocorrect.

[Aristophanes]

Was that so weird? I didn't think so..

[Aristophanes]

I don't feel I'm getting the recognition I deserve here

Ditto

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I know my presence is unusually low, but u swear it is due to IRL circumstances.

Mimikyu, when did we play before? I am drawing a blank.

Let's say we played before in a past life. FWIW I don't put much stock at all in meta, but it felt like it was worth mentioning.

This actually makes me feel better about you believe it or not.

[Aristophanes]

I'm trying.
@Aristo: what do you think of Dunnstral? You said ditto.

I did.

I see nothing wrong with them here.

I also was pretty obvtown early game and feel like everyone forgot that when I fell off the face of the earth.

[Aristophanes]

Why was your early game obvtown?

It was my town game to a T.

I was active, pushed things I believed, was analytical without being distracting, and lighthearted while being serious about scumhunting.

If I hadn't gotten busy with school, I'd have continued that.

[Aristophanes]

I think LAMIST is scummy because instead of actually presenting evidence for real, they're like "oh it's all there".
A decent question to follow up is: has anyone seen town use LAMIST?

Iso Hiplop or Spiffeh in most of their town games. I see them do it all the time.

And to do it when I have no pressure on me is pointless if I'm scum.

[Aristophanes]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Beeboy. He does it all the time too.
Didn't see.the new page when I posted the above.

[Aristophanes]

We've got very little time here.

Freezing the deadline until the replacements are found.

VOTE: Gamma

[Aristophanes]

Yup

[Aristophanes]

Hey Yakko!

That was a good catchup! Who did you replace?
(I'll go check, I just seem to have missed the announcement)

[Aristophanes]

Oh, it was Skold.

Interesting.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Skold

Okay, so this is scum. I legit scumread every post they've made thus far. Something is just wrong here and it is the colour of their role PM.

Join me!

can you explain what about his posts made you "legit" scumread all of them. Specifically what makes his post obv scum in your eyes. I think you're lying here. aristo.

8 "I don't scumhunt."
Need I say more?

14 In a multiball game, townblocks are even more precarious than usual. And they should be something that forms naturally, not something forced.

15 Just a post to shit on people who don't play his way. Eww.

16 A vote just to be safe, after having literally just denounced a scumread on that slot for being based on nothing. plus "It's so hard being reasonable" is just such a contrived sentence for the post.

19 Okay, I don't scumread this post, but whatever.

I'm fucking around mostly and demonstrating that while I could read into stupid shit stupidly I have good reasons not to a little. Mostly just fucking around because it appears to be just us 3 for now.

Basically he's saying not to take any of the above seriously, and that he's not going to read into things, even though that's exactly what he has been doing. Then reiterating that he's not playing seriously. Also, he's not been townhunting to this point, and isn't making efforts to find a townblock, which is apparently how he plays, What a contradiction!

These are the posts prior to my suspicion. This breakdown felt wholly unnecessary, but there you go.

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Ya know what, let's finish his Iso. There's only 3 whole posts left!

Town hunting and PoE aren't as effective in multifaction games, as I said above.

So you want me to make shit up? Well your name begins with an A so you're scum. Mafia has an A in it while Werewolf doesn't so I can probably look for another A to put you with.

Absolutely ridiculous outburst at me for stating what I believe as fact. I didn't tell him to shut up once! I didn't say we should make shit up! He disappeared, and this is all he had to say on his return?? Talk about flailing!

Pretty damn confirmed. Found a scumteam guys.

More ridiculousness from someone who "doesn't scumhunt."

Okay, I believe it's time to start RQS. I'll be taking three suggested questions this time, so think of something that could help advance the game.
1: What is your preferred faction: Town or Mafia?
2: What role interests you the most? Does not have to be in this setup.
3: What do you think the differing factions will do to town's chances?
4: REQUEST SLOT
5: REQUEST SLOT

Mafia is more fun, town is confusing as fuck.
The choose your own role thing I got called ''the Void Nexus'' that retargets abilities to itself and negates non-killing ones.
IDK
4. What justification can you give for the practice of declaring random bs to be scummy and lynching based off of it?
5. Butter or jam or both on scones?

IDK is his answer to the only helpful question here. Greeeeeat.

Also, his random BS upon reentering this thread was, ironically, scummy. Lol


Ninja'd
Lol neat!
I guess I should have done this sooner afterall!

[Aristophanes]

From which of his posts?

I meant what I said when I voted. Just because I didn't say it in as many words doesn't mean it wasn't true.

Nice discredit of me btw.
Thoughts on Yakko?

[Aristophanes]

I'm okay with lynching something smart on the fact that he hasn't voted for anyone.

Why is that scummy?

[Aristophanes]

It's probably just Skold's meta.

What is?

Doubtcasting? Or townhunting (which he didn't actually do)?

[Aristophanes]

I like Yakko's entrance too (and never really found Skold all that scummy anyway).

Aristo, are you really casting shade on Skold for not townhunting when what he did instead was flake out of the game?

It sure does look like it, doesn't it?

[Aristophanes]

I didn't have a strong read on Skold for what little he said in the early game. He was pretty much null with questionable activity. The oddest posts (other than his first post) was the Gibberish response to Aristo, and the claim to having found a scum team which more than likely was BS. I think it's a bit harsh to try and throw shade on Yakko for Skold's previous actions with it being this early in the game. Furthermore it's not like he can really answer for another persons thoughts. I'm going to judge Yakko for their own actions, and not someone else's actions during the first few days of the game's start up.

@Aristo: It almost sounds like your trying to blame Skold for quitting because he was mafia and being slightly questioned.

Nope. Ridiculous lol

[Aristophanes]

Both is preferred

[Aristophanes]

Coo

[Aristophanes]

I'm okay with lynching something smart on the fact that he hasn't voted for anyone.

Why is that scummy?

not voting someone says that you do not have any reads are not interested in pressuring x person for x reason, and are interested in stalling the game. I feel like you know this. what was weird about it for me in this instance was that in his catch up post he said meowmix and ari as scum voted neither cuz win. and finally voted meow like ages later which zack called him out for.

This is Damn good.

I hate that I like your posts despite my scumread on your predecessor!

@hi im yakko if so explain your SR on me or explain why you just popped in took jabs at a bunch of people and settled on me, either is fine

because you're scum.

This could use elaboration however.

[Aristophanes]

Do you have any other insights on Smart?

[Aristophanes]

It's all good, get to it when/if you can.

Imma see if I can go over Smart's vote and such in the meantime.

[Aristophanes]

Gamma is still an ideal lynch for today though.

[Aristophanes]

Eww

[Aristophanes]

Aubrey wagon?
I'll pass.

[Aristophanes]

I don't see any of these counterwagon happening, nor do I see any pushes that are trying to be convincing in any way.

Js

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE:

I've unconvinced myself that I am in the right place.

[Aristophanes]

Why?

Because things are shaking up and I want to make sure I actually see scum here. I'll Iso them and Dumm and see what I can do from there.

[Aristophanes]

Thinking two votes on you puts you closer to a lynch than five on someone else puts them is the most fundamental of all scumtells.

Uhh...no?

But it was odd.

[Aristophanes]

Call me crazy, but
VOTE: Dunn

Not against a Gamma lynch, but I've stopped ignoring this slot and have a scumlean.

[Aristophanes]

I'm excitedly waiting this case on me. Should be a fun one!

[Aristophanes]

@Gamma
I feel you are reading the game oddly.

[Aristophanes]

I could lynch Gamma but the lack of counterwagons bothers me.

I'm the counterwagon

And the scum teams are teams of 2 so there'd only be 1 person working with him

Therefore worrying about counterwagon or a lack thereof is useless.

[Aristophanes]

I could lynch Gamma but the lack of counterwagons bothers me.

I'm the counterwagon

And the scum teams are teams of 2 so there'd only be 1 person working with him

Therefore worrying about counterwagon or a lack thereof is useless.

?????
I don't understand how those are related.

Well, I hate answering for others, as I did initially. However being only 2 members per scumteam, for a counterwagon on scum to be driven by scum, that mamber would have to defend his teammate very hard. That one would not do that and risk the associatives is reasonably assumed. Therefore counterwagons are NAI for either those on them, or those they fall onto and off of.

Also, preflip scumteam's are stupid and should not be assumed. Especially on D1! I've seen some of this and find it ridiculous.

[Aristophanes]

Yup.

[Aristophanes]

half of his reads are null. Having a lot of nulls is a scumtell.

Having a lot of null after flips is dubious, but D1 is rather normal. Also, having either a lot of town or scum reads can also be a scum tell, depending on the player.

I don't think Ümläüt is gonna happen today based on what you've got. JS.

[Aristophanes]

Dumb question, why would scum try and start a new bandwagon now instead of just latching onto a campaign that already has a backing and support? This seems like such a bad scum move if he is in fact scum.

I assume you're talking about Dunn since that's the only other major wagon we've had recently. It actually would make sense if he's trying to get townpoints for not being 'opportunistic' and expects Dunn to flip town. It's actually a lot safer as scum to push on someone who isn't likely to flip anytime soon.

Personally, if I were in his shoes as town I'd happily vote my lesser scumread if they were more lynchable.

Aubrey is obviously talking about Gamma's vote on you. Come on man!

Does that change your answer?

[Aristophanes]

I can see nobody is going to vote off of this Gamma wagon, so I don't think I have a choice but to L-1 you with less than a day left.

Claim?

[Aristophanes]

Whoops

VOTE: Gemerald

[Aristophanes]

Cool

Sorry this has to happen.

Ninja'd
Okay fine.
I was just poking you one more time before you die

[Aristophanes]

Well, it looks like we either lynch you or we NL because those on you are not budging.

I am okay with a VT claim because it means our PRs are still safe and we don't need to deadline scramble, possibly hitting a second PR, having one die overnight, or killing another townie. I rarely see them hit scum.

And I called you "Gemerald" just for fun that time because I know you don't like it and I knew you wouldn't like the vote (obviously).

[Aristophanes]

Gamma is at L2. Not 1...What's with the sudden change?

Whoops, I jumped to the VC and missed your unvote.

I'm okay with the lynch. I haven't been against it, and time is running low. I'd rather we at least ensure a lynch happens and that there isn't a big scramble at deadline once he claims.

[Aristophanes]

I am okay with a VT claim because it means our PRs are still safe and we don't need to deadline scramble, possibly hitting a second PR, having one die overnight, or killing another townie. I rarely see them hit scum.

You're right. I totally ifnored your claim..

[Aristophanes]

Jester, you'll get used to my cheery disposition, don't worry!

I've gotten scumread for it before, so I take no offence

[Aristophanes]

Gamma is dumb for self voting, I had no clue BTD6 hsd fake hammered and myself assumed he was hammered and town, I'd have switched to trying to get S_S lynched

Same here. It was sad to see.

Great flips though! =D

[Aristophanes]

Actually Dunn, I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one you've addressed. You've upgraded from crack to like.. coke.

They're not the same thing?

[Aristophanes]

Catching up and my phone is about to die. Literally 1%.

But i'll read up.

Also, reminder to Investigatives that if you have a guilty, you may as well out it as there is only one person left on each team!

[Aristophanes]

Also, reminder to Investigatives that if you have a guilty, you may as well out it as there is only one person left on each team!

Why did you feel the need to say this.


ping.

Why is this a ping? I said this because it will be in our favour, leading to a swift victory.

What possible negative connotation could you get from this?

[Aristophanes]

First of all that vote on gamma to start is really bad

His vote moves between Gamma and Me with no reasoning

He's been weird all game and hasn't really done anything

The chance this guy gets night killed is nonexistent

I think I can see him as being mafia with either S_S or Umlaut from looking through his iso (I quoted them)

He was making an outlandish statement. It is perfectly normal to vote that.

I had reasons.

I am weird. That's my norm.

Yay! I won't get NK'd! Just lynched if you get your way..

Why? Because I didn't see a last minute Ümläüt wagon happening and didn't say much on Smart?

[Aristophanes]

"i'll be honest" so you're saying at one point in the game you were lying?

That implies a more frank tone, not that prior posts we're lies. You must know this..

[Aristophanes]

I really really dislike those types of phrases. :/

Phrases like this?

to tell you the truth

[Aristophanes]

Oh lol.
Aubrey beat me to it

[Aristophanes]

I really really dislike those types of phrases. :/

Phrases like this?

to tell you the truth

The first one I got. I suppose the second (this one) looked more serious.

I'll get back to actual scumhunting now. You should too


gee I wonder why I used it. if you look closer all of the sentences start off nvm. how 2 rhetoric.

[Aristophanes]

Fucked that post hard...Gemmell a sec to fix it.

[Aristophanes]

Gimme a sec *

*sigh*

[Aristophanes]

I really really dislike those types of phrases. :/

Phrases like this?

to tell you the truth

gee I wonder why I used it. if you look closer all of the sentences start off nvm. how 2 rhetoric.

The first one I got. I suppose the second (this one) looked more serious.

I'll get back to actual scumhunting now. You should too

[Aristophanes]

Ya know what, the more I read 1092 the more I appreciate the brilliance.

I should probably put some work into this game.

[Aristophanes]

I really don't get what I've done that's even remotely scummy..

Sure, I'm a bit low effort atm, but that's no reason to suspect me.

Incidentally, when I become a low effort poster, as I am currently, I also become a low effort lynch, which scum love to jump upon.

FoS Dunn and BlackStar. I'm going to analyse your Isos at my earliest convenience!

[Aristophanes]

@aristo, please let us know what you think

I shall.

To start off with, I read the first half of Blackstar's Iso and despite wanting to scumread him, and having a few moments where I believed it, I think his D1 was, overall, town driven.

I really thought that was going to be my vote, so it sucks that I'm going to have to work harder at this.

I'll continue tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

Incidentally, when I become a low effort poster, as I am currently, I also become a low effort lynch, which scum love to jump upon.

Why do you think scum would jump on you and not BTD6? Vaxkiller? Yakko?

Please explain why you think scum are more likely to be after you for a lynch

I have a long history of becoming lynch bait. Perhaps I am being somewhat self absorbed though.

BTD seems like a possibility for such a thing, as he's a well accepted push. Vax and Yakko are still a little less easily done, so I don't see scum being as likely to jump there.

What is the VC at?

[Aristophanes]

BTD, are you saying all of this from Vax's perspective or as you?
That was a very confusing post..

[Aristophanes]

:-/ neutral?

As in you interact with every single person like they're all on the same level in your head. That's just how it came off to me.

I see this as well, Zach.

What makes it scummy though? I rather like it.

[Aristophanes]

Because he looks like he'd trying to assess situations rather than jump at them. Going at the game without hidden pretenses one might also say.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, I'm off work today and dead everywhere else. Gonna write up a presentation for school that I've been putting off (gotta present it tomorrow...) and then dive into this!

[Aristophanes]

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Because I didn't have a good idea where everyone's votes were at and who was pushing easier lynches. It's part of my required analysis.

[Aristophanes]

Hmm...from a quick read of Dead Scum Isos, I think Umlaut is partners with BTD and Smart is partners with Meowmix/Vax.
Dunn could sub in if I'm wrong though.

VOTE: BTD
for now.

[Aristophanes]

Because?

Because I think he is the more likely of the two to be scum if I'm wrong about one of them.

[Aristophanes]

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Because I didn't have a good idea where everyone's votes were at and who was pushing easier lynches. It's part of my required analysis.

To me it it kinda sounded like scum saying "What are the votes at, does everyone else think its ok to start voting, I just want to telegraph what I'm doing as to not seem scummy"

It's Mafia. It's always okay to start voting (except in Lylo).

That's quite the imposed meaning you've created though!

[Aristophanes]

I know, I was just being an ass about it. Sorry!

I think I skipped Dunn's "I'm town" case, so I don't have a comment there yet.

Btd/Ümläüt is because of their interactions, especially early ones.

Smart/Meow makes sense in the way he pushed for activity and that weird forced vote feel off. I didn't see him mention Vax either, though I skied harder as it went on.

[Aristophanes]

I didn't say shit about your activity levels.

[Aristophanes]

BTD, can you please get your ass in here and scumhunt!

Please?

[Aristophanes]

Zach gets me at least.

[Aristophanes]

Ikr

[Aristophanes]

OMG EAGER IS HERE! !!

I IS EXCITE!

[Aristophanes]

I is also drink...

[Aristophanes]

irregardless

This is not a word.

Please discontinue its usage!

[Aristophanes]

Btd6 or vax is the partner of umlaut

agreed

[Aristophanes]

irregardless

This is not a word.

Please discontinue its usage!

I don't remember you fluffing so much in past games.

I go through fluff phases. I'm in one currently, so my apologies on that! I'll get serious D3 probably. I quite like where my deductions stand at the moment and kind of just want the game to get going so we can win this!

So let's lynch BTD and get on with it!

[Aristophanes]

OMG EAGER IS HERE! !!

I IS EXCITE!

Lol I bet you're happy to finally be on the same team as me

I hope this ends up being true!

[Aristophanes]

irregardless

This is not a word.

Please discontinue its usage!

Mimikyu almost took the words out of my mouth. Your time would be better spent scum hunting or defending yourself against the suspicions against you rather than correcting my poor English.

Thanks though.

What are the suspicions again? That I'm not doing anything?
Because those aren't exactly inaccurate.

As for scumhunting, I'd just be beating the same dead horse. As mentioned, I think we just need the game to continue. I'll get more into it then. I promise!

Also, sorry for being an ass in this quote. Languages evolve and I think it is actually accepted in some dictionaries nowadays. I'm just a stickler for the proper usage of traditional language sometimes (apparently when drunken in particular).

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: BTD6_maker

L-1

<3

[Aristophanes]

It looks like I am at L-1 and my lynch is likely. Should I claim?

Probably a good idea.

[Aristophanes]

It looks like I am at L-1 and my lynch is likely. Should I claim?

Yeahup.

Probably a good idea.

You should have asked for your fakeclaim a while ago, BTD.

It shouldn't take this long to think up a good claim otherwise.

[Aristophanes]

I want to lynch Aristophanes, though

Love you too, Dunn.

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE:

Fine then.
At least we know the other Mafia is a goon!
(Unless someone counterclaim Cop or JK of course).

[Aristophanes]

I still don't think I've been scummy, but okay.

[Aristophanes]

Ari has been slimy all game long and there's been something off about the way he says things

I can see him being mafia or werewolf

I've played with him before and he feels like scum here

Just a moment ago he was pushing his own counterwagon

You're parked on a wagon by yourself while someone else got to l-1

Sure I've been off from my usual playstyle, but not in a scummy fashion.

I was pushing a wagon I believed was on scum. Doesn't matter if it happened to be a counterwagon.

[Aristophanes]

I considered sheeping the Vax vote, but want to save myself for the

Quick

hammer.

True story.

[Aristophanes]

Meh
VOTE: AntiVax

Call it OMGUS if you like.

[Aristophanes]

I'll call it: Oh My God You're Scum aristo

OMGYSA doesn't have the same ring though!

[Aristophanes]

argh. Im pretty drunk, I mean to type U're

Hahaha I love it! XD


Have fun tonight!

[Aristophanes]

I don't think they know either.

We have dueling wagons right now, they need to make a decision. If they do not, we need to do so without them.

There is no reason to drag this out another week.

[Aristophanes]

I'm VT. We're not losing much.

Vax/Dunn/Yakko are your scumpool to pull from.

Good luck guys!

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes said he'd look at the reasons I'm not scum. He never did.

Oh yea, I knew I was forgetting to do something.

[Aristophanes]

Snake, what do we gain from these numbers?

[Aristophanes]

actually I am okay with an aristo lynch his early game is mostly iioa

I desagree with this.
Perhaps my analysis was unstated, but it was there, and I presented it when asked.

[Aristophanes]

Did you see how they bussed gamma day1?

Implying Gamma was scum?

[Aristophanes]

Bussed So Hard!
#ShottyMemes

[Aristophanes]

Vax:
"I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!" - Reads as...so... FAKE!

I also dislike his framing of Jester as a narrator. It's an easy thing to push and isn't really scummy, but can easily be made to seem like it is. Setting up a future scumread/lynch early on.

Pushes a Jester/Dunn lynch order, with Gamma as hard town, but keeps his options open to joining the Gamma push by throwing bits of shade his way. He then drops Jester and has Gamma as a top lynch option once it becomes more viable.

His first post of D2 is damning all in itself. He first retroactively explains his scumread on Gamma, who is flipped town, as if he's nervous about it, and says he "has no idea what happened D1" despite being there, being caught up, and commenting lightly on things that were happening. He then comments on the night phase results, which I don't consider a scumtell itself, but the way he mentions it is off. The slow clap especially. As a third point, his BTD case looked pre-prepped. It would have been impossible to do so though unless he knew Umlaut was going to die overnight.

@blackstar, who do you think is scummiest today so far?

Subtle wordings like this also can mean a lot. He isn't asking Blackstar who he thinks is scum, he's asking who looks scummy. Town are looking for the former, scum for the latter so they have an easy lynch target. And the "So far" tells me he doesn't care about the motivations behind the posts, just their surface read. Otherwise he'd want solid scumreads based on motivations, not current trends.

He asked a lot of questions D2, which is nice. But they don't advance anything and they aren't really scumhunting. Like, his "why did you ask for a VC here?" at me for example. He used it to throw shade using a made up internal narrative I never had. He didn't advance the game. He didn't care where my head was at or acknowledge my answer. He just went with what he wanted to say. Like he has an agenda of sorts...

I could dissect other posts and make more points, but I think this is good for now.

So there, you have your case now!
Can we lynch his slimy ass?

[Aristophanes]

Eager, you don't trust the people who voted Dunn, BTD, and Gamma, yet you don't seem bothered by Ari. Explain why.

I've played with Ari scum twice in a row I don't think he's scum this time

Finally someone who gets me! =D

[Aristophanes]

If you actually read through my posts you will realize why I was poking blackstar with questions.

I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!

Blackstar seems kinda aggressive but I have more of a null read on him so far.

@Blackstar, your strangely subdued today.

@blackstar, who do you think is scummiest today so far?

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but I was debating on weather to call out Black star on his day 2 play, because it was VERY SIGNIFICANT change from day 1. He pretty much stopped posting and seemed to just agree with people and not do too much.

Vax, Blackstar just subbed out. Chances are he got busy or something, and couldn't play as much as he thought he needed to. The subbing and lack of aggressive activity could be connected here.

Likely. Originally I thought he was lurking due to the outcome of events overnight, but his posts still read town to me.

Were you though?
This is every mention of Blackstar in your Iso. Which I read.

[Aristophanes]

Your defense is cute

[Aristophanes]

The shade I threw gammas way? You didn't want to quote the post huh? Because just saying shade makes it sound scummy, but actually quoting the post wouldn't look bad at all.

Can do.

Progress report: 7/12 reads done.

Gamma, why are you acting like your at L-1 and about to be lynched? Its kind of scummy behavior.

I really have Gamma as a town read, but this comment rubs me the wrong way. I'm going to go back through his iso's and have a re-look.

So its gamma or dunn vote?

Up until a few pages ago I thought dumm was way more scum than my town read of gamma, but ever since the gamma train was POSSIBLE (not confirmed) he has been scrambling like a someone who is WAY to worried. I honestly still can't make up my mind between tot he tow... who is scummier

It's a rather quick reversal if you ask me. Considering the following is your only other mention of Gamma outside of your catchup post.

I really don't feel Gamma is scum, My preference is Jester before Dunn, but I'll vote Dunn over Gamma for sure.

[Aristophanes]

Same goes with the VC count. Show the posts, they speak for themselves.

Once again, no problem.

Incidentally, when I become a low effort poster, as I am currently, I also become a low effort lynch, which scum love to jump upon.

Why do you think scum would jump on you and not BTD6? Vaxkiller? Yakko?

Please explain why you think scum are more likely to be after you for a lynch

I have a long history of becoming lynch bait. Perhaps I am being somewhat self absorbed though.

BTD seems like a possibility for such a thing, as he's a well accepted push. Vax and Yakko are still a little less easily done, so I don't see scum being as likely to jump there.

What is the VC at?

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Because I didn't have a good idea where everyone's votes were at and who was pushing easier lynches. It's part of my required analysis.

To me it it kinda sounded like scum saying "What are the votes at, does everyone else think its ok to start voting, I just want to telegraph what I'm doing as to not seem scummy"

It's Mafia. It's always okay to start voting (except in Lylo).

I know its ok, that's why I asked why you would post that (I mean you can look up the VC yourself, so you said it for a reason)

I'll even throw in this bonus post of you making up a motivation which does not exist.

BTD, can you please get your ass in here and scumhunt!

Please?

I read this as:

BTD, I want to add something to the conversation that will make everyone think I'm helping, even tho I have no reasons to be voting for you of my own.

[Aristophanes]

If I remember correctly, Ari left the Gamma wagon (which was popular) for the less popular Dunn wagon, and then went back to the Gamma wagon.

Indeed. I grew to dislike the Gamma wagon and tried for Dunn (albeit weakly). With under a day left, I L-1'd Gamma to avoid a nolynch scenario or deadline scramble.

[Aristophanes]

I don't understand how anyone could misread the quoted posts you have posted, so thank you.

Rather see you trying to validate your posts instead of saying "oh yea nobody could mis-understand what I'm saying."

I validated anything that he called out. Otherwise I have no idea where he is going with the other posts he quoted

Once again, you have "no idea" about something you should. My points have been rather explicit. Aubrey responded to them. Yet you don't understand where they're going?

Come on!

[Aristophanes]

Pushes a Jester/Dunn lynch order, with Gamma as hard town, but

keeps his options open

to joining the Gamma push by throwing bits of shade his way. He then drops Jester and has Gamma as a top lynch option once it becomes more viable.

So by your own admission your vote on gamma that changed to dunn (while still saying you thought gamma was scum) is somehow different?

You had Gamma as town, threw shade his way, and swiftly gave his scum status as the votes became popular.

I unvoted him as I became unconvinced of his scumminess. I went back onto his wagon out of necessity.

So yes, it is different.

[Aristophanes]

Meaning one of Aubrey, Aristophanes, Dunnstral is likely to be Something_Smart's partner

Pretty sure Aubrey is town.
Help me lynch Vax today, I'll help you lynch Dunn tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

Meaning one of Aubrey, Aristophanes, Dunnstral is likely to be Something_Smart's partner

Pretty sure Aubrey is town.
Help me lynch Vax today, I'll help you lynch Dunn tomorrow.

...Both scum voted Dunn (putting him at L2) relatively close together. You think scum would vote their partner, and put them so close to being lynched on day one? huge risk, but huge reward. Granted. However, Dunn has a town lean from me due to that.

You think differently though?

I'll be honest in saying I need to go through and make a proper case on Dunn if I'm going to keep pushing this. I know I haven't done so really. Once Vax flips scum, we are left with many options as scum, but few viable ones. If Eager is correct in his deductions, then knowing my own alignment and having a good read on yours, Dunn is the only option. Should that be incorrect, Yakko is likely to the the final scum. If by chance Vax is town and I'm wrong, it only increases the likelihood of Dunn and Yakko scum.

I doubt either will die tonight either, but that's wine. However, it once again increases their scum odds.

I'll relook at that Dunn wagon, because I forgot both scum were on it. That doesn't necessarily mean anything though, as you mentioned.

[Aristophanes]

Dunn was voted by both, but Ümläüt jumped off at his first convenience, and Smart didn't have to because the wagon was already all but dead.

Also, they were L-4 and L-3. You were the L-2 Aubrey.

[Aristophanes]

I list off a bunch of reasons why ss is using cognitive dissonance to be agreeing with gamma (I was voting gamma himself for that same list)

Aristo ignores everything and jumps on gamma

What would you rather I do there?

Vote Smart? I don't believe there was a chance that lynch would go through eve if I did like it.
Keep my vote on you? Not the timeline of events. We were close to the end of the day. We had to consolidate.
Vote Gamma? While it may not have been optimal in hindsight, it was the best move at the time. So I did it.

So what is the point of this?

[Aristophanes]

After all this back and forth between us, I feel like we need to go to a bar and get a drink.

Sadly your not around to go get a drink, and I'm getting rather tired.

hmmm. I'll need to go back and take a closer look at that and re-evaluate my town lean for him then. Not that big a fan of Vax's defenses. I feel like I defended him more than he defended himself. He feels as if he has validated himself, but i'm not exactly seeing it. Seems like he was attempting to make you as scummy as possible as a defense.

Would totally be down for that drink if it were, ya know, possible.

I agree with your points re:Vax here.

[Aristophanes]

In 1376 "not the timeline of events" should read "note the timeline of events."

[Aristophanes]

I disagree, but I respect your view here.

[Aristophanes]

as far as vax vs aristo goes I'm gonna go with gut reaction and vote aristo

@mod vc pls

I hate telling people their gut sucks, but..

[Aristophanes]

as far as vax vs aristo goes I'm gonna go with gut reaction and vote aristo

@mod vc pls

I hate telling people their gut sucks, but..

hmmmm the fact that you went after skold early on is still on my mind. that and the fact that you called meowmix town.

People make mistakes. Reads change. Reacements wield new information for reading a slot.

I also have no confirmation that either of those was wrong right now.

[Aristophanes]

People make mistakes. Reads change. Reacements wield new information for reading a slot.

What did Vax do that made you scumread him then, if it wasn't due to meowmix?

You have read the thread right?

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: Vax Case

Vax:
"I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!" - Reads as...so... FAKE!

I also dislike his framing of Jester as a narrator. It's an easy thing to push and isn't really scummy, but can easily be made to seem like it is. Setting up a future scumread/lynch early on.

Pushes a Jester/Dunn lynch order, with Gamma as hard town, but keeps his options open to joining the Gamma push by throwing bits of shade his way. He then drops Jester and has Gamma as a top lynch option once it becomes more viable.

His first post of D2 is damning all in itself. He first retroactively explains his scumread on Gamma, who is flipped town, as if he's nervous about it, and says he "has no idea what happened D1" despite being there, being caught up, and commenting lightly on things that were happening. He then comments on the night phase results, which I don't consider a scumtell itself, but the way he mentions it is off. The slow clap especially. As a third point, his BTD case looked pre-prepped. It would have been impossible to do so though unless he knew Umlaut was going to die overnight.

@blackstar, who do you think is scummiest today so far?

Subtle wordings like this also can mean a lot. He isn't asking Blackstar who he thinks is scum, he's asking who looks scummy. Town are looking for the former, scum for the latter so they have an easy lynch target. And the "So far" tells me he doesn't care about the motivations behind the posts, just their surface read. Otherwise he'd want solid scumreads based on motivations, not current trends.

He asked a lot of questions D2, which is nice. But they don't advance anything and they aren't really scumhunting. Like, his "why did you ask for a VC here?" at me for example. He used it to throw shade using a made up internal narrative I never had. He didn't advance the game. He didn't care where my head was at or acknowledge my answer. He just went with what he wanted to say. Like he has an agenda of sorts...

I could dissect other posts and make more points, but I think this is good for now.

So there, you have your case now!
Can we lynch his slimy ass?

If you actually read through my posts you will realize why I was poking blackstar with questions.

I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!

Blackstar seems kinda aggressive but I have more of a null read on him so far.

@Blackstar, your strangely subdued today.

@blackstar, who do you think is scummiest today so far?

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but I was debating on weather to call out Black star on his day 2 play, because it was VERY SIGNIFICANT change from day 1. He pretty much stopped posting and seemed to just agree with people and not do too much.

Vax, Blackstar just subbed out. Chances are he got busy or something, and couldn't play as much as he thought he needed to. The subbing and lack of aggressive activity could be connected here.

Likely. Originally I thought he was lurking due to the outcome of events overnight, but his posts still read town to me.

Were you though?
This is every mention of Blackstar in your Iso. Which I read.

The shade I threw gammas way? You didn't want to quote the post huh? Because just saying shade makes it sound scummy, but actually quoting the post wouldn't look bad at all.

Can do.

Progress report: 7/12 reads done.

Gamma, why are you acting like your at L-1 and about to be lynched? Its kind of scummy behavior.

I really have Gamma as a town read, but this comment rubs me the wrong way. I'm going to go back through his iso's and have a re-look.

So its gamma or dunn vote?

Up until a few pages ago I thought dumm was way more scum than my town read of gamma, but ever since the gamma train was POSSIBLE (not confirmed) he has been scrambling like a someone who is WAY to worried. I honestly still can't make up my mind between tot he tow... who is scummier

It's a rather quick reversal if you ask me. Considering the following is your only other mention of Gamma outside of your catchup post.

I really don't feel Gamma is scum, My preference is Jester before Dunn, but I'll vote Dunn over Gamma for sure.

Same goes with the VC count. Show the posts, they speak for themselves.

Once again, no problem.

Incidentally, when I become a low effort poster, as I am currently, I also become a low effort lynch, which scum love to jump upon.

Why do you think scum would jump on you and not BTD6? Vaxkiller? Yakko?

Please explain why you think scum are more likely to be after you for a lynch

I have a long history of becoming lynch bait. Perhaps I am being somewhat self absorbed though.

BTD seems like a possibility for such a thing, as he's a well accepted push. Vax and Yakko are still a little less easily done, so I don't see scum being as likely to jump there.

What is the VC at?

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Because I didn't have a good idea where everyone's votes were at and who was pushing easier lynches. It's part of my required analysis.

To me it it kinda sounded like scum saying "What are the votes at, does everyone else think its ok to start voting, I just want to telegraph what I'm doing as to not seem scummy"

It's Mafia. It's always okay to start voting (except in Lylo).

I know its ok, that's why I asked why you would post that (I mean you can look up the VC yourself, so you said it for a reason)

I'll even throw in this bonus post of you making up a motivation which does not exist.

BTD, can you please get your ass in here and scumhunt!

Please?

I read this as:

BTD, I want to add something to the conversation that will make everyone think I'm helping, even tho I have no reasons to be voting for you of my own.

He did respond to most of this. I haven't had a chance to respond to many of his responses yet.

Sorry for the length also.

[Aristophanes]

Indeed, that'd be nice!

[Aristophanes]

I liked MeowMix's posts...

What about Vax's?

[Aristophanes]

My bad guys been ghost for a minute


Why arent we just lynching Yakko lol

Why should we?

[Aristophanes]

My bad guys been ghost for a minute


Why arent we just lynching Yakko lol

Why should we?

:/ I mean, has he really done anything outstanding this game?

No, I was more asking for a case though.

[Aristophanes]

Dead game.

Waiting on a lynch

I have nothing more to say. Still people off wagon. You guys can stall the day out as long as possible or do something

So can you. This game has stalled, and we need more votes.

I hate to say I told you so, but...

I don't think they know either.

We have dueling wagons right now, they need to make a decision. If they do not, we need to do so without them.

There is no reason to drag this out another week.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: aristo

Quality.

[Aristophanes]

Not feeling super confident about our chances of hitting scum on this lynch

I am still happy enough with a Vax lynch due to the reason I mentioned before. Also wouldn't be entirely opposed to an Ari lynch if it comes down to it, because there have been parts of his play (that I've mentioned) that have pinged me as weirdly different from past games.

If you are not feeling super confident about either of the lynches, why not start trying to push and question other people? This just reads as "

I don't care who gets lynched, as long as I have some shred of reasoning to vote them.

" I can see scum having a mindset such as this.

I read it as "these could both be town lynches, but we're not active enough to change that, so here's my stance on the two wagons."

[Aristophanes]

No, they definitely can!

But with the activity in this thread, asking questions seems useless at this point, as they are unlikely to be answered in time to get a conversation going. I'm sure they have reads and will work on them tomorrow. If not, we need to remember this conversation and push them for it.

[Aristophanes]

Just over 2 IRL days.

That's why the crunch is on.

[Aristophanes]

I'd rather not lynch Ari today.
That being said, could someone point out the main reasons people are voting Vax? Much obliged

Did you skip my case on Vax and our back and forth about it?

[Aristophanes]

Zach, Jester, please just vote one of us!

This has gotten painful!

Like,take a stance and vote it. If we are still tied, at least we have stances! Like, at that point someone can at least end this at deadline. Right now nobody can.

[Aristophanes]

How many more hours do we have left

Votecount 2.6

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-12 20:30:00)

It's about 7 posts above this on the same page.

[Aristophanes]

Ah, so we still have some time left. 22 hours of my math is correct.

...it's a countdown. It says 1 day, 10 hours. Does it not display like this for you??

That's 34 hours left.

[Aristophanes]

....did you subtract from when he posted to the current time?

It's a countdown. It changes every minute. If you look in an hour, it will say 1 day, 9 hours in the same post I just quoted!

This explains the confusion! I did the same thing in my first game here, so don't worry

[Aristophanes]

Wowzers. Very fancy!

IKR!

[Aristophanes]

It means he's not mafia..


Either Aristophanes, Dunnstral, or Aubrey is wolf

If I went nowhere, am I not clear of being either faction?

[Aristophanes]

Ooooh, didn't know that!

Also, Aubrey is town.

Also also, I don't do no kill gambits.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo should have died yesterday. 100%. What can you do against VI townie? No counterplay. zero counterplay actually. It didn't help that zach was potentially game throwing. Oh well. Nothing to do against someones ego no counterplay again there. feelsbadman. If anything hopefully this cements zach as not playing for the town and hopefully zach is that much closer to a lynch.

tl;dr zach and aristo needed death way sooner.

WTF do you mean?

I'm not a VI! Well, I don't think I have been! Maybe not the

most helpful

but this is a bit much, no?

I'll get to this once my life settles a bit, or I decide "fuck everything, mafia time!" Until then, I'll gladly help where I can, even if it's more surface level than deep investigating.

[Aristophanes]

Ari still has the potential to be scum. Had a brain fart. he has reason to not move as mafia, and as a werewolf he can freely kill without BTD being able to track him. It seems he forgot that bit though...So he could have also choosen not to kill as a wolf. My basis for my vote on him later in day 2 was due to SS. I'm back on board.

VOTE: Ari

I'm lynch bait vt right now. But sure, make this a thing! Lets see which scum sheep's it first!

[Aristophanes]

Getting there. Phone booted me off

[Aristophanes]

I've read it. I like it!

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes, I'd like your take on the wagon analysis

From BTD?

Or your highlights?

Ya know what, let me look at the wagons myself and see what I can do.

You town read me. I town read you. We're one big happy family.

Yup! This could be good!

[Aristophanes]

Actually, that's gonna be hugely helpful ES! I enjoy colouring the wagons, but wouldn't have had the time to!

[Aristophanes]

Did we not have any notable wagons on either scum D1?

[Aristophanes]

Are your wagons in order of when people voted?

Oh god I hope so!

[Aristophanes]

What makes the unscratched people viable?

I don't disagree. Atm I'm leaning Yakko as one scum for sure.

I don't think Zach is, but he really is being rather useless, as has been noted. I also don't think Mimikyu is, but that's not based on a lot.

I like this list thing!

[Aristophanes]

Also, to AntiVax in the deadthread, sorry buddy! I really hate that I was wrong on you!

[Aristophanes]

yeah sorry just trying to reconcile how exactly I can be the one that shouldered the blame for yesterday and am gamethrowing. I've also gotten sort of tired.. You guys can BTD6 me and I'll pop in with stuff when like. I feel it's gone too far.

I mean, I think a claim of gamethrowing is ridiculous, but you do need to do more here yo.

[Aristophanes]

Well damn, Zach is the only on the Umlaut list then.

I saw that coming tbh

[Aristophanes]

So, by your estimations, if we lynch Yakko and Zach, we are assured at least one scum lynch, yes?

I will sheep you on whichever, and Iso them after to make an actual case.

[Aristophanes]

Ari what did you learn from your wagon analysis

That I really need to focus on my schoolwork instead of this shit!

I noticed Aubrey is an avid wagoner. However, as he noted, this does not take into account the reaasons for his votes. In reading him previously, I have had very strong townvibes, and I intend on believing them, as is evident by my latest post.

Yakko was, interestingly, not on any wagons D1. Zach is almost totally absent from the list, as well as from posting content here. I need to Iso the two of them, but in looking at wagon composition as well as Aubrey's lists here, I feel confident that at least one, and possibly both, scum may be found within the two.

I also notice Mimikyu is somewhat less prominent in the wagons, but I don't dislike this as much, based on prior reads and gut. Also, I have a light guess at their identity, and though I don't know that it is true, as they haven't displayed many of that person's traits, it fits somewhat with what I would expect from said player.

[Aristophanes]

Aubrey why am I scratched off both lists?

Probably because you're easy as fuck to read.

[Aristophanes]

Lol GG!

I fucking called Aubrey as town you dummies!

[Aristophanes]

I'll be honest, if I were scum, I'd have targeted BTD. That's as either Werewolf or Mafia.

However, I am not.

[Aristophanes]

Standard weekend V/la is now in effect.

The only difference is that I probably won't post at all until Tuesday now, so I'm officializing it!

[Aristophanes]

What changed?

Everyone else I wanted to lynch was a pr or got half-cleared by one

mimikyu is just a feeling and poe kind of; actually thinking aristophane is less likely to be a wolf too today and I'd rather lynch mimikyu

Yakko I just don't think scum would play the way that they're playing and I've been thinking they're town for a while

Luff u 2!

[Aristophanes]

Is Mimikyu just PoE?

That seems really wear reasoning at this point in the game Dunn.

[Aristophanes]

Meh, I'll 1v1 if I must.

VOTE: Yakko

He's in the possible scum pool anyway.

Btw,

L-1

May as well claim if you're gonna.

[Aristophanes]

no point in claiming it's fairly obv what I am.

By this I assume you mean scum

[Aristophanes]

I'm not a fucking werewolf!

What else is there to say!?

But whatever. Lynch me of you have to.

[Aristophanes]

I'm not a fucking werewolf!

What else is there to say!?

But whatever. Lynch me of you have to.

Try saying this after midnight. Oh wait; you can't.

It is 1:31am and I swear I am no werewolf.

So there

[Aristophanes]

Yup.

[Aristophanes]

@Creature

Meh, I'll 1v1 if I must.

VOTE: Yakko

He's in the possible scum pool anyway.

Btw,

L-1

May as well claim if you're gonna.