Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[KuroiXHF]

Hey guys! I am definitely not scum, and I'm sticking to that story!

I'll catch up as soon as I can. Hopefully tonight. Probably not.

[KuroiXHF]

The boss is around so I can't post much until he leaves.

My name may be Ice related but I've never rolled Ice in this setup

I'm not mafia. No wait. That's you!

This is day one, page one and Snarky has two posts here. He's already strong scum in my eyes.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: culted

Town.

VOTE: culted

Scum.

VOTE: culted

Different scum.

VOTE: Culted

Town.

VOTE: Realeo

I neither understand all these votes for him nor his judgment of who's naughty and who's nice.

I'm uncomfortable with the amount that this guy has been voting. it seemed like at this post, every post is a new vote.

Official Vote Count 1.1

Realeo (5)

: Transcend, culted, Not_Mafia, BK201, Io

Not_Mafia (1)

: Realeo

Rory (1)

: Gamma Emerald

SnarkySnowman (1)

: PenguinPower

Not Voting (5)

- Joshz, nn30, Rory, SnarkySnowman, Clemency

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

And I don't know why Realeo has so many votes.

[KuroiXHF]

Hold on a second. Isnt gamma emerald one of those "on impulse player"?

That incentivizing bad thinggy prolly nai.

For some reason, this seems to ping me. This doesn't feel like natural play from Realeo, even though I have a difficult time trying to put this into words.

VOTE: Realeo

Saw his name a lot so gud vote.

this is terrible

Eww

This is the person I'm replacing's entrance.
Eww.

VOTE: Transcend
Thanks for reminding me.

Where did this come from? It seems like he reminded himself. This is odd.

VOTE: Transcend

VOTE: nn30

And these votes seem baseless. I don't even know if culted knows what he's doing.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW if you want to respond, please wait until after I finish catching up. I'm not going to have a conversation about every single post I make.

[KuroiXHF]

btw gamma is still scum but he can get lynched d2 this time

VOTE: nn30


catch-up was awful

{Io, Not_Mafia}

{Joshz, culted}

{Realeo}

{BK201, PenguinPower, Clemency}

{Rory}

{SnarkySnowman}

{Gamma Emerald, nn30}

smt like this feels a-ok

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Same reaction. Why aren't you lower?
VOTE: SnarkySnowman
I usually wait until after I've caught up but I've decided that even if in ten pages, you pop up to be an innocent child and I accidentally hammered up, we wouldn't be losing much.

On another note, I feel pretty good so far about Kmd being town.

I don't like his early attempts at finding four people to peg as scum.

That's the point of the game

Sure, but pegging all 4 at once is laughably bad. It's an easy way to fake scum hunt.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

WTF do you change your vote every post? This is coming across as bad town, but have

some

back bone.

[KuroiXHF]

This catchup is terrible so far.

Btw I'm back from v/la guys how are ya!

My catch up is actually for me, but I feel you guys can know what's going through my head as I move forward.

[KuroiXHF]

hey kuroi did you know that nn30 got d1'd

I did, but I forgot.
At least my read was right about him.

[KuroiXHF]

hey kuroi did you know that nn30 got d1'd

I did, but I forgot.
At least my read was right about him.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

It took you like three posts since I've come in to vote me. I can't tell if you're town or finally not sucking as hard as you usually do.
Either way, keep it up.

[KuroiXHF]

Hi all! I'll read this after work methinks.

Now, would people stop footing over the thermostat please! I like room temperature, not this fire - ice - fire - ice bullshit! That's how you get a cold!

Glad to see you, Aris!

Don't have a cow man

Hah. I get it.

Culted is obvtown

It's not obvious just because you think he is. Quoting to make fun of you if you're town and he's scum.

Bad vote

Being superficial all the time isn't helping anyone, including you.

???

Transcend is playing dumb now. And I don't think he's dumb.

VOTE: Transcend

You don't know him well, do you?

NN-Rory Team

Of towns? Yes.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: nn30

I'm gonna comment a little more in depth on 523 in a bit but I'm a little conflicted, because most of the reads look town driven but a few of them have me a little confused / suspicious. When I'm at a PC ~

Rory wasn't bad early on, but recent posts are severly lacking in quality and really just one liners or not very strong stances for the most part.

Yeah, I'll join Josh for pressure.

VOTE: Rory

Not a bad vote, considering what Rory brought. Thing is, there's plenty of people here who deserve it a hell of a lot more than Rory/I does/do.

nn is at least contributing to town. even IF he is scum, which i still think is a possibility, in this setup id rather he stayed alive and productively helped us lynch the other scum team. id still lynch scum if i was confident but im less confident in my scum read of him than i was and in a setup with competing scum reads i dont feel confident enough to lynch an active poster who is improving in towniness.

unvote and VOTE: rory

his interactions with me have been awful, he hasnt done much else this game. not really being a productive townie either and #563 is also a thing.

omg you have to be joking.

Nah, I actually disagree with Rory. I don't blame Josh, except for what's posted above.

Could vote Rory but i also dig a gamma lynch.

To be fair, Gamma is kind of lynch baity. That's too easy and he's likely to be town.

[KuroiXHF]

how often do you get mislynched btw

All the fucking time.

[KuroiXHF]

how often do you get mislynched btw

All the fucking time.

UNVOTE:

then i'll give you botd because i'vescumread you in like every single game i've played with you and been wrong every time.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

This is how my brain just read that.

As Transcend

*Sees KuroiXHF in previous games*
*Finds him scummy*
*votes him*
"Oh shit. He's town."
(Keep in mind the words "Every single game." Meaning more than one. Probably at least three.)

*Sees Kuroi replace into the new game.*
*Finds his posts to be scummy*
"Oh, he OBVIOUSLY must be scum!"
*Votes him.*
"Woah, hold on a minute there, Transcendy! There's a possibility he could be town!"
(To Kuroi) Heya there, Champerino. Are you ever mislynched?
*Receives response*
"Well I better give him a chance then!"

I kind of want to vote you right now and you can join Snowy in the doghouse called "Solid Scumville"

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, BK201, sorry. You're not high on my "Want-To-Lynch" List.

[KuroiXHF]

Lol

So i vote you, you make a big stink about it

I unvote you, you make a big stink about it

Idgi

Both your vote and your unvote (Especially your unvote) is scummy as fuck.

[KuroiXHF]

Lol

So i vote you, you make a big stink about it

I unvote you, you make a big stink about it

Idgi

Actually, please. Bring me through your logic. I want to know what's going through your head because if I'm misrepresenting your line of logic, please let me know and correct me. It seems scummy as all hell.

[KuroiXHF]

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VOTE: Gamma

You are seriously difficult to read. I can't keep any strong read on you, but you're currently feeling scummy. A bit opportunistic with this push on nn. nn really hasn't done much to warrant a scum read from me, their entrance wasn't even as bad as people are saying, it's about on par with Trans's first set of read. I'm pretty skeptical of most people on the nn wagon right now, but you and BK kind of stood out the most. I'm certainly wanting right now the lynch to be between one of you 2, but you look a bit worse.

You're voting someone you can't read? Shouldn't you vote someone you can read well as scum? Surely you can find someone.

Aristophanes has been prodded

Oh come on, Aris! You can do better!

VOTE: Rory

Only for pressure.

So can you, Realeo. You're good at this game. This is lazy. This isn't normal you.

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by everyone else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

This feels like genuine scum hunting. So either you're town or scum not with BK.

Vote Snark

I'll read up later. Doing Christmas stuff now

I get the feeling you know what you're doing. And no, it's not because it's on Snarky.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry something came up in real life. I'm going to have to stop playing Mafia for a bit to make room for other stuff I'm doing.

Searching for a replacement for Io

That's a shame. Sorry to see you go.

And I just 180 Ari, literally nothing.

This is true, my ISO is barren.

But it won't be all game, just for now.

I'll hold you to that.

I'll be limited access for the next few days just fyi

So your current amount of content was not limited?

Stole my fucking joke, you bastard. :-p

I would love Rory to be lynched first as I suspected him before Io/Fitz, but I have enough evidence now that I'm equally fine with Io/Fitz lynch today and Rory tomorrow.

Curious to your reactions now.

KuroiXHF replaces Rory

And here i am through my rush. I probably missed some but it was nearly 50 pages.

[KuroiXHF]

Why did you make no comment on my lol hammer on nn30

Why didn't you answer my question?

[KuroiXHF]

People miss stuff all the time. If you want your stuff amswered, re post and re ask, don't scum read someone for doing something that could be chalked up to a human error.

@IO - connect those dots for me. I'm not fully understanding the conclusion you want me to draw.

I did re post and re ask, twice.

Then I voted him for not answering.

I never scumread him for not answering.

Don't put words in my mouth.

So, you voted me but you didn't scum read me?

You're going to have to do a better job convincing me Gamma is scum than that if you want me to change my vote btw.

Correct. I thought maybe a vote would get your attention. Which it did.

I work with gut feelings a lot. If you don't think Gamma is scum you shouldn't vote him. You're allowed to be wrong

Also, please ignore this. I have no idea what Rory thought he was doing.

[KuroiXHF]

Hell yeah i did. Lolhammer is my specialty.

Pedit: the catch up was okay but yeah i feel like you could've commented on more, but it's good you're all caught up.

I mean on your line of logic. Because my current thoughts have me unsure if you're scum or just lacking in your thoughtfulness.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi, idk how you read nearly 50 pages that quickly. I don't buy it. Even if you skimmed.

I rushed, I work at a job that asks little of me, especially over a holiday shutdown and not quite sure how much you're willing to stretch it in an attempt to justify your confirm-bias on me.

Preview Edit: I don't scum read Io.

[KuroiXHF]

Rough Read List:

{havingfitz, Kmd4390}
{BK20}
{Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Not_Mafia}
{Realeo, Culted, Aristophanes}
{SnarkySnowman, Transcend}

Post by Joshz » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:04 pm

Hi kuroi. You're scum. Want to confirm that by voting fitz with me?

Uhhhhh...

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi, idk how you read nearly 50 pages that quickly. I don't buy it. Even if you skimmed.

I rushed, I work at a job that asks little of me, especially over a holiday shutdown and not quite sure how much you're willing to stretch it in an attempt to justify your confirm-bias on me.

Preview Edit: I don't scum read Io.

I admit to a little bit of conf bias,

I appreciate the honesty.

You're pretty good at scum I take it.

Maybe? Not quite sure.

The easy route would be voting me but you're not doing that yet.

I just posted my reads list. You're nullish to me, actually bordering town. But null.

Tell me why you don't scumread Io? I saw your post about genuine scumhunting, and she may have genuinely scumread me but that doesn't make her town in this format.

I'm aware of that and I think I said that it's completely possible that Io is scum, just not with you. At the end of the day, conventional scum hunting is kind of out the window until one faction is gone. Hence, I'm going off gut more than I usually am, and I'm honestly resistant to the Io wagon.

[KuroiXHF]

Believe me, you're not that high. That's why I didn't label it. Fitz replaced Io if I'm not mistaken and I townread Kmd. Everyone else is null at hest.

Now I have you at null because I don't scum read you by way of the process of elimination.

[KuroiXHF]

That's fine. I don't like the way Rory/Radja played my slot. I thought about it and if I were another player, I'd only not vote him because there are much better people to vote.

Like Snarky.

Or Transcend.

[KuroiXHF]

What is so scummy about Snarky? I bet he plays this way as either alignment, just like NM. They are anti-town lynch-bait. Not saying they aren't scum, but we have better choices.

And I don't see Transcend as scum, he's null to town. His interaction with you (Kuroi) is odd but that's not enough for me to lynch him.

If I keep Transcend here, it's either because he's too special to die or I can't resist that puppy.

[KuroiXHF]

What do you mean an Amished tell?

[KuroiXHF]

Ah. Did you think I was going out of my way to do it? Did it not sound genuine?

I kind of want to know so I can not be so obviously scum next time I'm scum.

Preview Edit: No Transcend. Don't even type. Just press space, then the Submit Button.

[KuroiXHF]

Your message contains too few characters.

http://www.truelovemusic.co.uk/site/wp- ... square.jpg This is a picture of the MS background. Just post a picture of this.
Or find that puppy and find more pictures of that puppy.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm ready and I'm willing

You can count on me

We're gonna catch those villains

You understanding we're also going to catch the villains that are teamed up with you too, right?

[KuroiXHF]

Ah. Did you think I was going out of my way to do it? Did it not sound genuine?

I kind of want to know so I can not be so obviously scum next time I'm scum.

Preview Edit: No Transcend. Don't even type. Just press space, then the Submit Button.

Towniest post from this slot all game.

We should probably get back on topic instead of just chasing our tails by the wag.

Gunslingers Mafia, I said the same thing as scum and I'm not going to hesitate to do it again if it works.

[KuroiXHF]

That's fine. I don't like the way Rory/Radja played my slot. I thought about it and if I were another player, I'd only not vote him because there are much better people to vote.

Like Snarky.

Or Transcend.

stfu amished

And you wonder why you're always scumread.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Transcend
I've been sick over the weekend. I don't think I've missed too much, but I'll look what I may have missed.

[KuroiXHF]

The issue with this Amished issue, Kmd, is that it tells me I can't town read who I legitimately town read. When I come into game, I give my reads. This includes what I like and what I don't like.

Alt slip.
Sorry.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: kuroihf

VOTE: kuroihf

If you iso him, he is being consistent.

i was just throwin votes around, though if you could quote where i tr transcend thatd be appreciated because i dont.

I am so confused.

Kuro, there's nothing wrong with giving town reads. The Amished tell has nothing to do with that. It's about the way you came in and told us how badly Rory played and how scummy he acted. It's almost like saying the slot was only scummy because he sucked and we should all ignore it and just focus on your play.

Oh. I thought you said Amished is when I insult other players, not my former slot. Rory just had no substance. When he did post, he wasn't absolutely terrible for most of his posts. I just wouldn't have town read him, myself. If you want to vote me for that, fine, although I think we have people who deserve the rope so much more.

[KuroiXHF]

Convince me.

I might try to do some VCA when I get the chance.

I also want to vote Realeo. I'd expect town him to respond to any number of my concerns against him.

[KuroiXHF]

Any number greater than zero.

[KuroiXHF]

My ISO isn't so long. You should give it a check.

[KuroiXHF]

I'll be able to catch up more tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

How far am I from lynched?

I kind of said I'll get to it today.

[KuroiXHF]

Appreciated. So let me get this right, the case on me is based on two notions:
1. Rory was scummy.
2. I amished.

Point number one, I can't really do anything about. Point number two, I would find silly to only go on me on that point alone. I will say that I've played more than one scum game before on here and I've never amished. For me to start now wouldn't make much sense, given I don't really know anyone this game and this is an untested crowd for me.

Are there any other reasons?

[KuroiXHF]

I can't really help you then, fitz. Sorry.

[KuroiXHF]

Here's something that is something I can prove given there's multiball:

The lynch on me has been quite quick. No one's pushing against it. Now Scum Team A doesn't care because they know it's not from them. Scum Team B doesn't care because they know it's not from them. This is barely a common enemy between both scum.

From the other point of view, the likelihood of me being scum is extremely minor.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Realeo For reasons already stated.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Realeo For reasons already stated.

Are your reasons still because Realeo hasn't responded to your questions?
Do you still suspect Transcend?

And because he's dodging. It's easier to avoid me and hope I forget rather than to hit me head-on.
And yeah, I suspect Trascend but I suspect Realeo more and to be blunt, it looks bad for me to vote Transcend right now.

VOTE: Realeo For reasons already stated.

I asked you to clarify what confuses you!

Do you know that communication is a two-way streets?

And I responded.
You're just being dodgy and coy about it.

Instance #2513 when I've alt-slipped.

[KuroiXHF]

I've mentioned you in these posts.

Hold on a second. Isnt gamma emerald one of those "on impulse player"?

That incentivizing bad thinggy prolly nai.

For some reason, this seems to ping me. This doesn't feel like natural play from Realeo, even though I have a difficult time trying to put this into words.

VOTE: Realeo

Saw his name a lot so gud vote.

this is terrible

Eww

This is the person I'm replacing's entrance.
Eww.

VOTE: Transcend
Thanks for reminding me.

Where did this come from? It seems like he reminded himself. This is odd.

VOTE: Transcend

VOTE: nn30

And these votes seem baseless. I don't even know if culted knows what he's doing.

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VOTE: Gamma

You are seriously difficult to read. I can't keep any strong read on you, but you're currently feeling scummy. A bit opportunistic with this push on nn. nn really hasn't done much to warrant a scum read from me, their entrance wasn't even as bad as people are saying, it's about on par with Trans's first set of read. I'm pretty skeptical of most people on the nn wagon right now, but you and BK kind of stood out the most. I'm certainly wanting right now the lynch to be between one of you 2, but you look a bit worse.

You're voting someone you can't read? Shouldn't you vote someone you can read well as scum? Surely you can find someone.

Aristophanes has been prodded

Oh come on, Aris! You can do better!

VOTE: Rory

Only for pressure.

So can you, Realeo. You're good at this game. This is lazy. This isn't normal you.

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by everyone else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

This feels like genuine scum hunting. So either you're town or scum not with BK.

Vote Snark

I'll read up later. Doing Christmas stuff now

I get the feeling you know what you're doing. And no, it's not because it's on Snarky.

VOTE: Realeo For reasons already stated.

Are your reasons still because Realeo hasn't responded to your questions?
Do you still suspect Transcend?

And because he's dodging. It's easier to avoid me and hope I forget rather than to hit me head-on.
And yeah, I suspect Trascend but I suspect Realeo more and to be blunt, it looks bad for me to vote Transcend right now.

VOTE: Realeo For reasons already stated.

I asked you to clarify what confuses you!

Do you know that communication is a two-way streets?

And I responded.
You're just being dodgy and coy about it.

Instance #2513 when I've alt-slipped.

[KuroiXHF]

Lol, concern from d2. So much for communication.

The problem of your so-called concern was it was from your POV concern--so I feel no need to intervene read. I read people by their consistency of their read so I try not mess up with them. Concern would be something like Transcend who barrack me for nothing.

I can't still address your concern. If you (realistically) expect response, you need to elaborate.

For example:

So can you, Realeo. You're good at this game. This is lazy. This isn't normal you.

I cannot address this concern because you make this game based on my computer calculation skill, which you learn from Death Note Mafia as setup reviewer (btw, we got scummies nom!) and The Purge,

which is scum meta

, so logically speaking, I am town for violating diligent scum meta.

For some reason, this seems to ping me. This doesn't feel like natural play from Realeo, even though I have a difficult time trying to put this into words.

This also needs elaboration, especially since you know that I am not native speaker and I am not psychic.

Moreoever, I don't understand how does computer calculation skill equates to diligent scumhunting? I had made a large case as diligent!Realeo (Mislead 2, my only newbies game) but you don't have meta on me being diligent. Your meta at me is being diligent setup speccer, not scumhunter.

And I explicitly avoid setup speccing this game in D1 which causes tantrum, so if we want to follow your logic, I am town.

So the thing about me being pinged by your play is that from what I know in Death Note Mafia conceptualization and reviewing and everything, I've been able to tell what your normal personality is like. It isn't so much about being able to find out how well you scum hunt as much as it is knowing how you normally act. (Although I do earnestly believe being a left-brained type of person helps you find scum.) You've eluded me in Purge Mafia but that's because I didn't know how to handle you, and the play is somewhat similar, I believe.

And yes, you're a mind readers. All non-English native speakers are.

We all know that.

[KuroiXHF]

Your demand, Kuroi, only makes sense in game if the game has an ideal situation which is (1)diverse discussion and (2) active player

(2) is obviously not the case in this game

And (1), although The Purge was a shit fest, it was the right direction. We always have setup spec and (retarded) scum hunting two topics running together ~ Whether almost and shos is scum? This game is more one topic per a time. It's quite one topic per a time in this game?

The Purge and this game is not an apple to apple comparison. If you say, "You're not being optimal Realeo," well ok. But when the environment is not optimal, you can't expect me being optimal as well.

It's not about being optimal or not. I've said that I don't based your being able to find scum or not based on how well you find scum. Actually, I don't see reason for

anyone

not to try hard. Scum A gets brownie points for lynching Scum B, and vice versa. When one faction becomes eliminated then we can talk about optimization being alignment-indicative at all.

And I feel brushing Purge Mafia as being a shit-fest is just a cop-out. Yeah, Purge Mafia was a shit-fest... at night. And sure, for a little bit of the day phase as well because we weren't sure how we would all act. But the play is still that where I can't believe you'd be town.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod: V/LA for the weekend.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod, please replace me.

[KuroiXHF]

I was right about Realeo.