OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[CommKnight]

Dunnstral
CommKnight
Realeo
Vedith
RadiantCowbells
kmd4390
BTD6_maker
havingfitz

^ Want me to say it? Vedith, RadiantCowbelles, BTD6, Dunn are 4/5 of the scum.

RC is trying to be rather controlling today. VOTE: Radiant Cowbells.

Not only that, but RC's logic only helps mafia. Trying to threaten the Werewolves is stupid, they control the night kills which might be the only way to get the mafia killed. If we mislynch today, WW's will know who THEY are and have a 3/5 chance of hitting mafia tonight. If we lynch correctly, they should probably abstain tonight as it'd be a 3/5 chance of hitting the remaining town then which would result in them having to enter the exact same situation as today but with the chance of lynching one of them.

I'm confident with RC's controllive attitude today that RC is indeed MAFIA of the two scum factions.

[CommKnight]

Well can't say RC doesn't have an ego. But either way, if I'm right about you being mafia, there are two townies and two werewolves who want you dead with me. Your flip would solve the game. Because if you're mafia, the WW's and townies will be needed to lynch you (5 to lynch and of 8 alive, 3 are mafia, so all 5 would need to want mafia dead). If you flip town, then we know mafia is on the wagon because again, 8 alive, 5 to lynch, you won't be on yourself so mafia will HAVE to vote you to even lynch you.

[CommKnight]

Because even Realeo will see your posts for what they are. You're hunting purely for werewolves. You aren't hunting for mafia. post 1710 is riddled with looking for there WW pair over looking for mafia (who have the numbers on both of us). If we lynch a WW and they shoot town, we both lose. If we lynch WW they have to hit a mafia in a 3/6 or a 1/2 pool. Not only that, but as town if we only hunt WW's do you really think they'll give us a chance to win as opposed if we help them hunt the 3 mafia down? They need us and we need them today.

But you. You're siding with the mafia, which to me looks like you are claiming to BE mafia. Vedith/Dunn could be mafia or WW, right now I'm hunting Mafia to even the odds.

[CommKnight]

make no mistake if you get me lynched I will make absolutely sure whichever team you are on loses. You will get autolynched tomorrow if you're town, and I will make sure town throws for whichever faction you're not on if you're scum.

LOOK AT THIS POST.

This is NOT the post of a townie. This is the post of a mafia scum-fuck who doesn't like being called a spade.

[CommKnight]

I was also with you in Civilization when we were both mafia. So I also know what your MAFIA play looks like. Refuse to give anyone else power because of your thirst for it. You threaten me, you threaten the wolves. I know what faction you are. I don't know what faction Vedith and Dunn are.

[CommKnight]

This game forces me to take control because the faction numbers are currently 3/2/3.

Vote Vedith/dunnstral, if they don't flip mafia you can turn on me tomorrow.

I don't necessarily think you're scum with them.

How about one better.

VOTE: Dunn

^ If Dunn does NOT flip mafia, go ahead and kill RC tonight wolves. I can guarantee he flips red.

[CommKnight]

Because RC is full of themselves and thinks they can get away with it.

If Dunn flips anything but mafia, you die.

[CommKnight]

I wouldn't be surprised if BTD is a wolf.

[CommKnight]

Hunch and because of the sudden look in his direction now that I'm looking at RC.

[CommKnight]

Here's the thing. I know my role. I know 5/7 of the remaining players are mafia. I feel as though Realeo will be townie which leaves 5/6 being scum of the remainder of players. I don't got a TR on anyone else at the moment, but to try and talk like you're NOT a scummy at this point RC. Like you'd have to be the ONE townie that isn't me nor Realeo. Which I doubt you are. Your play thus far has been stemming from a mafia pov.

I'm a killer scum player. But during LYLO and other such situations where scum are knocking on the door to a win, I am also a killer townie to have alive at this point in the game. I don't put up with smoke and mirrors nor do I put up with bullshit. If Dunn were to flip town, and you weren't WW, then yes, WW shooting you makes sense. If Dunn flips WW, shooting you STILL MAKES SENSE.

[CommKnight]

@Releo, don't fall for the shit. Treat us like we're both potential scum.

- RC is not afraid to bus.
- scum!RC will always buddy someone.
- RC has not made comment on the fact that he's 5/7 chance of being scum to me yet expects me to work with him without question.

Realeo, you've been here longer than both of us in this game. Do you have a read on Fitz and/or kmd? Those are the two I want to sort, I'm pretty sure the rest are a scum faction, but one of those two I think is our 3rd townie.

[CommKnight]

Why Dunn > Vedith?

1.) You're voting him.
2.) He's in my scum-list.
3.) Both are scum, I do not know which faction but with RC pushing Dunn, if Dunn flips anything but mafia, I'd be pretty confident in reading RC as mafia which means I can convince WW's it's in their best interest to off RC for both town and themselves.

[CommKnight]

Of course I'm convinced. I know you RC and this is exactly the kinda stunt you'd pull in a LYLO situation (for pretty much all factions). Mafia stand a very good chance of winning this if they cause one mislynch and then there's the fact you're STILL 5/7 chance of being scum. With my TR on Realeo, that doesn't leave much room for you being town, now does it?

[CommKnight]

Try harder scum!RC. I'm not 100% sure on Realeo. He could be Mafia or WW for all I know. But I TR him currently. But in case I'm wrong and after excluding MYSELF from the 7, that leaves FIVE/SEVEN people besides myself as scum. When I remove Realeo for today, that is FIVE/SIX... not SIX/SEVEN (WTF, where the hell did you get 6 scum from in a 3 mafia, 2 WW set-up?)

Like can you grasp for anymore straws?

[CommKnight]

I don't think so.

I think that the mafia team is CommKnight, Vedith, BTD6.

I think that the werewolves are Dunnstral and Fitz.

I think that Kmd4390, myself, and you are town.

@Realeo, look at the last line there. How convenient that your other TR is now RC's TR.

[CommKnight]

This is some OMGUS level shit even for you RC. I call you mafia, you now call me mafia. I voted you, now you voted me. Like this is RC flailing because he doesn't have control of the game like he wants to have as scum.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells This flailing is too much to bypass. I will NOT let RC win as mafia and gloat about how good his play was when it was shit and I read it easily within a few posts of replacing in.

[CommKnight]

(2) Dunnstral - Realeo, Hiraki
(0) Flubbernugget
(0) Realeo
(0) Vedith
(LYNCH) Hiraki - Vedith, kmd4390, BTD6_maker, havingfitz, Dunnstral
(1) Hellfire Missile - Flubbernugget
(0) kmd4390
(0) BTD6_maker
(0) havingfitz

(1) Not Voting - Hellfire Missile

Just saying, Realeo makes a good point. There's no way all 3 mafia + 2 WW's lynched Hiraki. Making RC that much more confirmed scum since the 3rd townie helped mislynch.

[CommKnight]

Flubber even voted HM both D1 and D3 ending, which gives me further reason to continue the push on the slot. Obviously Flubber seen something in HM's play like I'm seeing in RC's.

VCA says RC is gonna be mafia.

[CommKnight]

You do realize I'm sitting here looking at the VCA, looking at your play, looking at your terrible OMGUS and shaking my head at the poor flailing of a mafia member. You switched from Dunn to me in a flail because you're cornered and worried about being outed now. I switched because I want to catch you red-handed.

Like if you want me to think you're town, you're going about it in a terrible way.

You're flailing your reads, you're flailing your votes. I think I'll let Realeo pick you apart. I've already made up my mind.

[CommKnight]

@Realeo, alright, I'll pretend I'm WW for the sake of arguing. Would you argue with lynching RC, then Vedith, then Dunn first?

[CommKnight]

No, it's awknowleding the fact we both read you as MAFIA. He reads me as WW (Which is wrong, but we'll sort that once we get 4 scummies dead and at LYLO).

[CommKnight]

Cool Dunn, so are you WW or Mafia? I'm pushing RC hard today to full-lynch full-stop.

I don't see BTD as town and I don't see him as mafia. So what faction does that leave Realeo? I also said it I was gut. I could be wrong, but gut says Werewolf.

[CommKnight]

(2) Dunnstral - Realeo, Hiraki
(0) Flubbernugget
(0) Realeo
(0) Vedith
(LYNCH) Hiraki - Vedith, kmd4390, BTD6_maker, havingfitz, Dunnstral
(1) Hellfire Missile - Flubbernugget
(0) kmd4390
(0) BTD6_maker
(0) havingfitz

(1) Not Voting - Hellfire Missile

Just saying, Realeo makes a good point. There's no way all 3 mafia + 2 WW's lynched Hiraki. Making RC that much more confirmed scum since the 3rd townie helped mislynch.

@Dunn, does all 3 mafia on Hiraki wagon make sense? RC replaced HM and HM was choosing to not vote? Sorry, but HM was scummy here. I TR Realeo and I am myself town (which was Flubber) so that again leaves HM which is now RC.

[CommKnight]

okay i just now noticed that the town slip was from the person who said hellfire scum slipped
meaning that flubber knows how slipping works
which puts his slip into an entirely different light
VOTE: flubbernugget

Flubbernugget never claimed that Hellfire scumslipped.

Also, are you completely ignoring the possibility that Flubbernugget was Town asking a genuine question?

This is part of it. Plus it seems BTD and Hellfire are not aligned, which means RC is not buddies with BTD. Since I read RC as full-on mafia team, that leaves BTD for the wolves.

[CommKnight]

Why are you ignoring the obvious answer that the werewolves thought that Hiraki was mafia?

So who are the werewolf out of {Kmd,Vedith,GE,Dunn,BTD}?

You say KMD is town, right?

Let's pretend that Dunn is werewolf fypov.

So what is Vedith,GE,BTD are? All three mafia. They can't. Comnknight is mafia fypov.

If you want Comnknight to be mafia, you must accept that Vedith is werewolf.

Let me add to this, if you were to accept Vedith as WW, that means you should have no problem with my vote on Dunn whom you'd think is mafia as well, but just now you say you don't care if he's WW/Town? So does your reads change around me to get me lynched solely or do you really think Dunn could be WW/Town at this point?

[CommKnight]

FLAILING VOTE AGAIN. Go on, vote BTD. You bloody flailer.

[CommKnight]

@Realeo, I already voted RadiantCowbells. You should vote him with me. Obviously he isn't town. My analysis of their play thus far is truth, it is a mafia PoV they're arguing from.

[CommKnight]

See, even Realeo knows you're scum RC. I happen to believe you to be specifically mafia. Which is the desired lynchee today for both town and WWs.

[CommKnight]

Also if you weren't mafia, I wouldn't have such a tough time gaining votes on you. I mean hell, I'm town, if you were town OR WW, then 3 mafia would be happy to vote you out with just a single other townie voting you to lynch you.

Right now I need both other townies + 2 WW's to help me lynch you because you are mafia. Your two buddies aren't going to hop on until L2 and L1.

[CommKnight]

Hey wolves, you know who you are and who your buddy is. I can tell you I'm town and Realeo has a damn good chance of being a second townie. That leaves 4 unknowns for you two. RC is more likely to be mafia than town. In fact, lynching him will be like dragging nails on a chalkboard because his buddies will protect him.

We need town and WW's to lynch him today, BTD is obviously a wolf or even possibly the third townie with how easily the mafia are willing to pile onto him.

Also with Dunn's "I'm not going to let a lynch go through on you" shit reads as hard-stance defending mafia and we know RC is willing to bus, but the moment they saw the chance, the hopped off Dunn and onto me. Now BTD. Which is why I'm strongly convinced BTD is NOT mafia.

Town: CommKnight, Realeo, ???
Mafia: Radiant Cowbells, Dunnstral, ???
Werewolves: BTD, ???
???: Vedith, kmd4390, havingfitz

RC or Dunn are the only viable lynches today to off a mafia member. Lynching outside of those two is both anti-town and anti-WW.

[CommKnight]

If I had to bet the teams right at this moment. kmd will probably be our inactive townie, fitz will be Mafia with RC and Vedith will probably be a wolf with BTD.

[CommKnight]

Hey Fitz, nice wall-post. It'd be nice if it didn't have an agenda behind it. Again, I know I'm town, I believe Realeo is town, for me that leaves ONE townie spot out there and I find it funny you all are still trying to pretend to all be town. THERE'S THREE townie spots out of 8 players. I'm pretty confident I know Realeo is the second townie. Now maybe you missed it, you know, since right now you're not interested in actually reading what I say and understanding it, you're interested in combating it and refuting my points because you can't let me lynch mafia today.

Want to know what I'm referring to?

We need town and WW's to lynch him today, BTD is obviously a wolf

or even possibly the third townie

with how easily the mafia are willing to pile onto him.

Yeah, that's right, BTD might be town, but I know for a fact he ain't mafia. If he's town it'd explain the votes better or either Vedith/Dunn is actually town and not realizing RC is mafia, not WW.

Also how convenient that the guy everyone is pushing is not even here, LET'S LYNCH THE INACTIVE SLOT GUYS!

Also Fitz, do the VCA. Do you REALLY believe all mafia voted off Hiraki???? Hellfire, which is now RC was one of the ones not voting. But you know, ignore my points on RC being mafia, because fuck it, scum outnumbers town so much that they can blantantly disregard anything I say. I NEED both wolves + both townies to lynch RC. There's no mafia team that is helping me lynch him. So you know, the fact you guys are all on BTD, it's gonna be funny if I manage to lynch RC and he flips red with ya'll except Realeo being on someone else and fighting against RC's lynch.

Realeo, you're being conned man. BTD is at L1 and quite possibly going to die by the end of this real life day if he's town, the other wolf might mis-hammer. If he's wolf, we need to keep the 3rd townie from helping lynch him. If he's wolf, he should have a buddy protecting him, if he were mafia you'd think the votes would be harder to collect than they are right now.

I'm confident in BTD not being mafia. Just trust me for a single day before we fuck up and mafia gain the upper hand.

[CommKnight]

That'd be stupid as your alignment can change each game. I'll re-evaluate you each and every single game as I do everyone.

[CommKnight]

How about no. If you don't want to be scum-read, change how you act when you're town.

[CommKnight]

There was a time your play would be policy lynched as well on various forums. Which I'm surprised I haven't seen one go through on here yet.

It's scummy. You're not town RC. That's for damn sure. The question for others is to decide if you're wolf or mafia. I'm dead set on you being mafia. When you flip mafia and my push this entire time is proven right, maybe you'll change your play-style. Maybe not. It makes it easy to scum-read you though correctly.

[CommKnight]

I am town. Which again, leaves you with basically 0 chance of being town. With your threats told wolves, you sure as fuck ain't a wolf. So tell me, which team would you read yourself as?

[CommKnight]

With Realeo being town most likely and pretend you have the knowledge that I'm also town. Where does that leave you RC?

[CommKnight]

Still trying to pretend to be the third townie slot Fitz, really? If you claimed bloody wolf, I'd think more to vote BTD. But you're trying to pretend to be a townie. You want to trick town to mislynching so calling town mafia is not going to make town vote with you.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: BTD I give up with trying to win this for town. Without Realeo's help in lynching RC mafia got this in the bloody bag. Hopefully WW's do the smart thing and off RC tonight to bring us down to just 2 Mafia because we're either down to 2 town or 1 WW now.

[CommKnight]

Nah, I'm just done giving a fuck. I replaced into a game where mafia got the advantage and Realeo is bending over backwards for them.

Then you got the wolves who instead of out-right claiming who they are want to pretend they're town as well just to further fuck over both the town and WW win chance. Mark my words, BTD is either townie or WW. You watch this flip. If WWs are smart, they'll kill RC and get rid of the control he has over Realeo.

@Dunn, too late to change votes bud, lynch has been achieved. BTD was sitting at L1 all this time and I gave up and hammered because wolves and town aren't playing the greatest in this situation.

[CommKnight]

Also IF you believed that BTD is mafia, why would you want to change votes? Other than to confirm you are making shit up and sheeping RC blindly?

[CommKnight]

What bloody list are you talking about? Also LOL if you think RC is town.

[CommKnight]

I am willing to lynch Vedith or BTD6 as well.

I can't do Vedith.

VOTE: BTD

CommKnight, I need more detail on ww!BTD

The problem of you two is I see quite an amount of misrep that I can't see you are town getting emotional or scum really biting so hard.

That RC's 4 questions are so misrep as fuck.
Commknight's attack as RC's readlist also misrep as fuck.

alright.

VOTE: BTD6

We stick to the plan.
MAfia are in Dunn / BTD and I think both are scum here.

RC and kmd are more or less confirmed WW for me, so Comm, don't vote there.

Real is town
Comm is town
I'm town

Leaving Fitz as Mafia by PoE

Easy game, easy money.

VOTE: Dunn

Pedit - VOTE: BTD

Comm...how about answering my question to you in my last post?

Dunnstral thought hellfire could be scum (1481)...then after RC joins the game and has a D4 post explosion and casts suspicions towards Dunn, Dunn decides he's "not going to let a lynch go through on" RC despite acting like he didn't even know who RC replaced. Which I think is BS (the feigning not knowing who RC replaced).

Then within 11 minutes Comm is in the thread linking Dunnstral to RC as mafia based on Dunn's unwarranted "not going to let a lynch go through on" RC crap. Which leads me to believe there is a nice mafia PT discussion between Comm and Dunn discussing the merits of linking Dunn (who should be a concensus lynch candidate today for his terrible play yesterday) to RC. A player scum should know is going to be extremely active and could be hard to get a lynch on.

And yet where is all the Comm suspicions towards Dunn? RC has one vote on him and the fact he hasn't been power lynched by the 3 mafia in the game means he must be mafia.
That same logic could be used towards Dunn (who you also suspect is mafia) since he has one vote on him and hasn't been power lynched by the 3 mafia.

And EVEN BETTER...the question you ignore by me regarding BTD. Who you do not think is mafia...you think he is a WW...which mafia would LOVE to get lynched....he has THREE votes on him and yet he still lives. One vote by Realeo (who you think is town), one vote being by Vedith (who you just call WW along with BTD) and one by RC (who you mafia read).

So based on your own reads and your own quicklynch theory....WTF hasn't mafia lynched BTD the wolf?

Answer....because he's fcuking mafia and mafia do not want to go down a man.

smh.....just ignore my question though Comm and this post too.

Revised reads:

Town - havingfitz, Realeo, Vedith
Mafia - Comm, Dunnstral and BTD
WW - kmd, RC

If I'm wrong about Realeo or Vedith I could see being off on one of the WWs.

Not as doubtful on my mafia grouping. Any of those three will work.

VOTE: BTD

Yep, that's hammer. BTD is dead, town lost, who cares eh?

[CommKnight]

Holy shit, not reading all that between double shifts.

V/LA until saturdayish

I mean LOL at this. Between BTD and Kmd, neither posted really. I'm waiting for that green or orange flip and for wolves to fuck up tonight's shot like a some newbies because they can't see RC's obvious mafia play since the beginning of Day 4.

[CommKnight]

Because even a werewolf flip is not a game over for town and I'm confident that is not green.

That's assuming the wolves don't just say fuck it and shoot one of the townies to end the game if we lynch into the wolves today. I mean RC used his threat against them. Well if we lynch into wolves, then they can just kill townies to make us lose as well, bring us down with them so to speak.

So no, I'm really hoping this flips red, but I doubt it highly as it wasn't the towniest/werewolfy wagon at all.

[CommKnight]

@RC, you realize we HAVE to vote in the 3 list right? I didn't realize this game had that mechanic as well. I knew it was in another game I signed up for, but didn't know it was in this one.

I'm gonna let kmd speak though before we do any lynching, because honestly, BTD feels like a bus-job to me. Now with Realeo and myself in the 3 chosen with conveniently the third being kmd when he's been inactive to defend himself? Yeah, not buying it.

Surprised WW's didn't kill RC last night once that list got released. Or So ideally we lynch another mafia, but I don't think we got that luxury today.

Dunnstral, Radiant Cowbells, Vedith and havingfitz. Those are the 4 names on TOWN'S list for tomorrow. One of them IS mafia at the very least with 1-2 wolves mixed in. I wouldn't be surprised if the cowardly mafia are both in that list of 4, why nominate one of them for the lynching block when they can nominate 3 people who are likely town. I'm a mislynch, Realeo is likely a mislynch (though possible he bussed, just seems unlikely) and kmd is LYNCH BAIT.

[CommKnight]

@RC, I'm going to assume you're wolf for today. If so, Dunn dies tonight. If he's breathing tomorrow, I'm lynching you.

[CommKnight]

I'm dead serious. If Dunn isn't dead tonight and I'm breathing tomorrow, you hang RC. There will be no compromise hammer from me. I thought for sure we were about to lose our 3rd townie with how easy that wagon grew.

[CommKnight]

*Facepalm* Reread OP (once again) and finally get it. Wolves can't just kill who they want because mafia can keep the kill outside of them with the list. The other set-up is the list of 3 on even days or whatever is the mandatory LYNCH of the day. Hence when I found out about the list, I assumed that.

Guess I should make sure I know how scum operate even when I'm town, because herp derp. That would've had me all fucked up.

Honestly, now that I know the lynch pool today isn't me/Realeo/kmd, I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: Vedith Because whatever faction Vedith is, it sure as hell isn't town. Also the stretching from kmd is noted and Dunn is tomorrow's lynch. He sure as hell isn't town either.

I hate to admit it, but RC might actually be our 3rd townie this game. (The other option being havingfitz, because any TL I had on kmd is dropping faster than a fly glued to an anvil).

[CommKnight]

Also... @RC, let me ask you. You knew this (and didn't seem to point it out clearly to me) and yet you leave Dunn on the same pile as myself? Like are you saying Dunn's idea of myself putting myself on a potential kill list in a scenario where YOU specifically would kill me is even remotely townie?

Sorry, but Dunn is 100% scum this game.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Commknight

Comm slipped yesterday

I just confirmed that he was able to change the list as well and with ww nokilling him being on the list means nothing

Also this post. LOL, nice set-up question. Let me just quote a few things.

Hopefully WW's do the smart thing and off RC tonight

But wait... why do you think mafia will put rc in their list?

If radiantcowbells is on the list commknight is confirmed mafia.

game isn't over if btd6 flips some flavor of mafia/werewolf

My guess is it flips werewolf and a list comes out with radiant cowbells on it and commknight actually slipped

Trying to set me up since yesterday huh? You realize you confirmed yourself as mafia. Like you're not even WW or you would've shot me in the night when I made the list if you really thought that and had the ability to do so.

See that noose where we hung BTD in? You're in it tomorrow after Vedith.

[CommKnight]

Well if it helps matters. I actually don't know which of you/Fitz would be more likely town. Fitz hasn't tried to help town much, so not many points for him at the moment. Either way, Vedith should be 1-2 votes away from the noose today.

[CommKnight]

@RC, I'll let you handle Realeo. He may be town, but his reads are shit. If he goes into reading people with the assumption I'm mafia, he's already on the wrong path and will hence read them wrong as well.

Also both Vedith and Dunn are scum. But I think one is WW and the other is mafia. If our goal is to lynch Werewolf today, it might be Vedith. Dunn seems to try to set me up as looking like mafia (and ultimately being obvious about it) so I don't think he's a wolf.

[CommKnight]

What's the preferred lynch today? WW or mafia? Or anything not town...

I guess it's wolf. But if it's mafia I'm not going to complain too much. It just means whichever faction we flip, if wolves kill town tonight and they have 2 left, they'll be top priority to be lynched tomorrow and the next day. But if mafia have 2 alive and wolves hold their shot, mafia would become priority tomorrow.

[CommKnight]

10/10 constructive posts since I've been gone. Will let mafia and WW's accuse each other of being mafia while I watch again.

[CommKnight]

Hey Realeo, yeah, Realeo. You know when I said you got shit reads? It might be because you didn't even bother to read the set-up. 1v1v1 = mafia win. If one faction is gone 1v1 or 2v2 where town is alive, that scum faction wins. There is no tie.

[CommKnight]

• The
  Mafia
  or
  Wolves
  win if they obtain a full majority of living players, or if they make up half and at least one protown role is still alive.
  
• If the
  Mafia
  and
  Wolves
  ever make up equal numbers, with no
  Town
  roles left alive, then
  Mafia
  win.
  Mafia[/b]
  also win if a day phase begins with
  one

  Mafia

  , one

  Wolf

  , and one

  Town

  .

Sample Role PMs

Welcome! You are a

Townie

.

Abilities

You have no special abilities.

Win Condition

You win when

all threats to the Town

have been eliminated.

[CommKnight]

I retract my TR on Realeo. He might've slipped by focusing on the mafia WC.

[CommKnight]

Vedith/Realeo mafia with KMD/Dunn as WW?

[CommKnight]

I think push a Vedith lynch, we all agree he's scum.

[CommKnight]

I think we need Fitz and RC to vote up Vedith, because Dunn is gonna be a troll for the rest of the game and Vedith ain't gonna vote himself. Potential buddy Realeo won't either.

[CommKnight]

Commknight

if you are mafia I want you to hardclaim and we will not lynch you today and if we have the opportunity to kingmake we'll give you the win.
If we end up lynching wrong because I'm making bad assumptions about your alignment then you will lose as well.

You really think I'm mafia or WW? I'm just gonna let ya fucking mislynch if you're that much of a fool. Dunn pushed me. Vedith and kmd are after me. We need to lynch a wolf today and Realeo is questionable. I'm legit thinking town is RC, Fitz and myself. But the real mafia gotta speak up because if we mislynch *AT ALL* today, both town and mafia loses.

Right now:
Realeo - Town/WW - leaning WW
Vedith - Mafia/WW
Radiant Cowbells - Town/WW - leaning Town
kmd - Town/Mafia/WW
havingfitz - Town/WW - leaning Town

I think the lynchpool needs to be in Realeo, Vedith and kmd. I think kmd might be the mafia because the mafia didn't submit a list and kmd was one of the quiet ones. So Realeo or Vedith today would be ideal with Vedith being the top choice. Unless he HARD CLAIMS MAFIA.

[CommKnight]

If I had to hard-place bets right now.
Set-up 1:
WW - Vedith & Realeo
Mafia - kmd
Town - RC, fitz & myself

Set-up2:
WW: RC & havingfitz
Mafia - Vedith
Town - kmd & Realeo

Vastly different but if it's set-up 1 like I hope, it should be a breeze for town to win. If it's set-up two, town is fucked.

[CommKnight]

The problem with lynching fitz is that could be game-over for town and mafia. I think Realeo or Vedith would be the two ideal candidates today as one of them gotta be a werewolf.

Also think about what I said, mafia didn't submit a kill list, kmd might be the mafia with town in Realeo or fitz.

[CommKnight]

Then maybe lynch Realeo? He's been trying to steer lynches away from certain people I think.

[CommKnight]

Well of the four, 1 is town, 1 is mafia and 2 are WW even a random shot and we get WW. If it's not Realeo, it's best to lynch Vedith. fitz is an option but I worry he might be either town or mafia.

[CommKnight]

Well I can safely say I'm not mafia. So that doesn't bode well for lynching Vedith as he might be. I just know he sure as fuck ain't town.

[CommKnight]

Hmmm, perhaps. Hopefully the actual mafia player speaks up and saves us all the trouble of worrying about mislynching mafia today. I mean it'd be in their best interest because then we'd have to lynch BOTH werewolves before even attempting to kill them. which means werewolves also can't kill him without lowering the pool down to just town vs wolves which would most certainly be a wolf loss.

[CommKnight]

Alright here's what we're going to do.

Vedith

If you haven't hardclaimed mafia in the next 24 hours I am lynching you.

This I can get behind. Add my threat of lynching you to it. Which means if 2 others agree, you're fucked without a hard-claim Vedith.

[CommKnight]

Votecount FINAL

• (LYNCH)

  Dunnstral
  - Vedith, Realeo, havingfitz, RadiantCowbells
  
  (1)

  CommKnight
  - Dunnstral
  
  (0)
  Realeo
  
  (2)

  Vedith
  - CommKnight, kmd4390
  
  (0)
  RadiantCowbells
  
  (0)
  kmd4390
  
  (0)
  havingfitz
  
  
  (0)
  Not Voting
  
  With
  7
  alive, it's
  4
  to lynch.
  Deadline in
  (expired on 2017-07-10 23:00:00)
  (July 10^th).
  
  
  Mod Notes:
  Mod will be V/LA this weekend. Apologies if things go a little slower.

Even on D4 KMD was not on mafia wagon. I don't think he's wolf, he'd have gladly voted Dunn over Vedith if that were the case.

VOTE: Vedith

Honestly this vote count speaks louder than the some crud scum will make up today to survive.

RC is town or mafia. Not wolf.
KMD is town or mafia. Not wolf.

That leaves fitz, Vedith and Realeo for wolves. I can bet you Vedith is indeed wolf. But who his buddy is out of fitz and Realeo is something we'll have to figure out tomorrow. If mafia doesn't work with town today him and his faction loses. So Vedith lynch is the best lynch.

[CommKnight]

So the question remains, who's gonna hard defend Vedith today?

[CommKnight]

Comm remind me why you don't think radiant is wolf.

He's been actually trying to solve the game and push lynches onto scum. Plus he wasn't really heading the Dunn lynch.

Now tell me more about your reads on Fitz.

[CommKnight]

If I had to hard-place bets right now.
Set-up 1:
WW - Vedith & Realeo
Mafia - kmd
Town - RC, fitz & myself

Set-up2:
WW: RC & havingfitz
Mafia - Vedith
Town - kmd & Realeo

Vastly different but if it's set-up 1 like I hope, it should be a breeze for town to win. If it's set-up two, town is fucked.

Just going to leave this here...

[CommKnight]

Vedith, why didn't you claim?

I was obviously not WW.
Claiming Mafia is against my Wincon as then the next day I can't play as a town win.

Also even if you claimed, we'd have had to lynch BOTH werewolves before you. If we mislynched even once you'd win because you'd keep yourself off the kill list and enter the next day as either 1v1v1 or 1v1.

[CommKnight]

I also told you to hard claim, not my fault you didn't think it through and decided you wanted to pretend to be townie when we knew you weren't.

[CommKnight]

1v2v1. Means if you kept the list on 2 town + WW, if WW shot either townie, you'd win. You'd also win if we mislynched after the first wolf because it'd be 1v1v1 with the list comprised of a dead townie, an alive townie and the WW. The WW could not kill you which would'be resulted in a mafia win.

@Mod: Is that not correct?

Also if Vedith hardclaimed, I would've seen through you RC. If you tried to CC him that late and avoided claiming? I would've read it as a WW claim.