Dammit!
VOTE: Realeo
If I ever do roll scum in a game with you I'll have to make sure to pay you back for Micro 725.In post 7, CommKnight wrote:VOTE: Alchemist - He's gotta be scum one of these games. He's not going to be town every game!!!
Oh shit, I didn't recognize you with that avatar. How you been man?In post 36, Riddleton wrote:Grapes is having too many reads too fast.
Do you normally go into lengthy explanations for everything? This looks like a serious overreaction to 36. The hypersensitivity here and in following posts is not sitting well with me.In post 38, grapes wrote:Ah. Have only heard good things and actually plan to play at least Suikoden 1 one of these days, it's just my backlog is a million miles long at this point you know how it is. :pIn post 28, Luca Blight wrote:Grapes you seem easily pleased, if you don't mind me saying.
Anything you're not liking to far?
And the game is Suikoden II - nostalgia from my childhood.
And surprisingly no so far the only things I've found worth mentioning have been subtle townvibes. If I had to try and solve the game right this moment or force a scumread I'd say smoothblue's rvs vote was SO null that it has the possibility of being scummy? But that's again something probably better left in my head because I don't know for certain a lot of you would even understand where I'm coming from there.
Hi there. Thoughts so far?Now hang on a minute let's get something straight here.In post 36, Riddleton wrote:Grapes is having too many reads too fast.
I am in a constant state of solving; I always have reads. The strength of those reads are dependent on how much information is out there, in other words for page 2, if the game were to end right now I'd probably go
Luca/IceGuy/Commknight/UnaBombaH/Assemblerotws
Realeo/Alchemist/Duckworth/Chip Buddy/ironstove
SmoothBlue/GameNburger/Riddleton
I think those reads are probably kinda close maybe for what I've got to go on here? Might be wrong on a townread but don't really think more than one; the bottom two brackets are a lot more subject to change because like I said most of you have been kinda playing slow/close to your chest so far, which is fine, we have a couple weeks here and not everyone plays the way that I do.
But I am gonna get something going here;
VOTE: Riddleton
I think that it's fair for someone who hasn't played with me before to find it weird that I'd have those thoughts already; Luca for example came at that in a town way.
Difference being he asked if I had any scumvibes as well; while our friend Riddleton makes his entrance to the game a slightly modified echo of that giving me almost zero benefit of the doubt. But also while not putting a vote down.
Duckworth had just made a post right before this one that you quoted. :thisguy:In post 42, Chip Butty wrote:You've got a serious bare vote on a guy who hasn't confirmed yet?In post 35, UnaBombaH wrote:OK, I need a new vote.
Luca likes Suikoden, so I can't vote there anymore...
VOTE: Duckworth
Serious vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Unabombah
Nobody voted you or even said you were scummy, yet you felt the need to go into a detailed defense of your actions. To me that makes it seem like you're already nervous about people finding you scummy.In post 45, grapes wrote:I'm not one to normally do anything; I'll get long winded if I feel like it's warranted/I'm bored. Sometimes I wont.In post 43, Alchemist21 wrote:Do you normally go into lengthy explanations for everything?
At any rate I'm not sure "oversensitive" is the buzzword you're looking for here. Unless you're trying to say that every reaction made to something with a lot words attached is "hypersensitive" I'd like to know what about my response there seemed sensitive, like I'd appreciate a little more nuance than what you're putting down here.
Do you normally ask people for self-meta when you vote for them?
And what did you think of my stuff of riddleton?
Fair enough. But also to be fair, half your reads at that point had no reasoning to them at all which is going to make them easy to disregard.In post 52, grapes wrote:It's not so much that I'm worried about people saying I'm scummy but people disregarding my reads. I happen to think they're important because, hey, they're mine and like most people I'm selfish like that.
BecauseHow can you say that nobody was saying I was scummy but also think that I'm omgusing riddleton?
You obviously don't understand why I'm voting him. And I'm telling him if you want the reads to be taken seriously, then back them up. That's especially true when the game just started.In post 54, Realeo wrote:Uh... Aren't you curious why he have that reads? In another word, why is your instinct is to vote rather to quiz him?In post 53, Alchemist21 wrote:Fair enough. But also to be fair, half your reads at that point had no reasoning to them at all which is going to make them easy to disregard.
The other interpretation is that you're reads are ill-conceived because they're rushed out. Not necessarily AI. If he was calling you scum he would have voted you. He could have been withholding a read on you one way or the other until seeing your reaction to 36.In post 55, grapes wrote:What other interpretations of this post could someone possibly have?In post 36, Riddleton wrote:Grapes is having too many reads too fast.
Like you're calling it a "minor poke" when he's not "poking" me at all he's calling me scum. lol
A poke would be a question.
You know that thing town do when they don't understand a thing.
A big part of my thoughts here that you're missing or intentionally leaving out is that this isn't even an original thought.
Which I think makes it more scummy; your only post is to sheep a thought but flatten it out into blank fos.
Oh my fucking god.In post 59, PMysterious wrote:As a side note, Riddleton is not an official member of this game, so any votes on him/her are null and void. Regarding the situation, I'm not sure what exactly I can do, or how far I can go with my power as the moderator.
Error 404: Image not found.In post 110, CommKnight wrote:This deserves more attention. That naked vote is ew.In post 42, Chip Butty wrote:You've got a serious bare vote on a guy who hasn't confirmed yet?In post 35, UnaBombaH wrote:OK, I need a new vote.
Luca likes Suikoden, so I can't vote there anymore...
VOTE: Duckworth
Serious vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Unabombah
"In post 76, Chip Butty"]
Were you being serious here? I took this as RVS. I mean, crumbing mafia by using capitals is paleo. I'm pretty sure nobody does that now.
Of course I wasn't. Releo already pointed it out. I'm making fun of him.
UNVOTE:
Also....
@Alch
Gonna need reasons here too.In post 149, Mulch wrote:VOTE: gamenburger
@grapes- why did you have my predecessor as scum early game?
Not really. He saw an issue with grapes (and wasn't the only one) and acted on it. He's showing thoughts in a clear, concise manner that's making it possible for others to get a read on him, which is useful.In post 164, Luca Blight wrote:Considering he has done nothing else in this game though, wouldn't you agree it seems like he's trying to 'look useful without being so' which is exactly what he actually sumread Grapes for in the first place?
Yeah, that's what I said before. Haven't had a scumread since grapes, but I'll find scum soon enough.In post 169, Luca Blight wrote:So does this mean you are townreading IceGuy?In post 168, Alchemist21 wrote:Not really. He saw an issue with grapes (and wasn't the only one) and acted on it. He's showing thoughts in a clear, concise manner that's making it possible for others to get a read on him, which is useful.In post 164, Luca Blight wrote:Considering he has done nothing else in this game though, wouldn't you agree it seems like he's trying to 'look useful without being so' which is exactly what he actually sumread Grapes for in the first place?
And since you unvoted Grapes, do you have any scumreads?
Do you have any actual thoughts on the game currently? I looked back through your posts and it's all jokes and pointless posts. You must have some reads by now, even if they're weak.In post 245, UnaBombaH wrote:I have been rather quiet, yes, but it's mainly because I didn't want to take any part in...whatever happened in the past 5 pages.In post 239, Alchemist21 wrote:It's also brought Una to my attention as he's someone who I haven't really noticed in this game.
I get a lot better when I have more interactions to evaluate, and these previous instances have been rather baffling.
I'm going to ISO a few players soon, I'll try to get something easier to chew for you guys.
You might look into using a countdown timer too.In post 267, PMysterious wrote:Well, before I saw Luca point it out, I realized... I am a massive idiot. September 31st does not exist. (Way to go, me. Way to be a dummy.)
So, I will update the day to end on October 1st, instead.
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FWIW I liked it.In post 274, Realeo wrote:Do you know that mafiascum is the only forum where my joke delivery rate is literally 0%?
I don't really like how you start claiming your fluff was fully intentional after getting called on it.In post 269, UnaBombaH wrote:This part is the most important one: I'm not one to normally shitpost through the game.In post 246, Alchemist21 wrote:Do you have any actual thoughts on the game currently?I looked back through your posts and it's all jokes and pointless posts.You must have some reads by now, even if they're weak.
I've been trying a new approach to day 1.
The thing is: I suck at early game reading because I don't "understand" tone.
I mainly read interactions, and this game had very few good ones in the first 5 pages or so.
I already admitted as much: they all felt very weird and instead of AI reads, I felt like some of it almost gave better indications on IQs..
In a game like this that has either a slower start, or interactions I can't read well enough to react, I now tried to pull the focus on my own actions.
Anyone who has been noting my behavior in a negative manner so far has been gaining some minor towncred from me.
The thing about scum is that they want players who aren't "gamesolve-y" to make it to the lategame, and therefore don't always latch onto people who post, but only "keep appearances".
And that is what I have been trying to create: fluff.
Alchemistis my first townread simply because they took the step to call me out on it.
On the other hand, I DO have one scumlean based on how they put their vote on me.
IceGuyvoted after Alchemist had "bit the bullet" in making a base for a wagon, and instead of following his reasonable argument, IceGuy only said he is willing to vote all lurkers and just happened to choose me from amongst them.
And therefore I shall VOTE: IceGuy.
Slight townlean onLuca Blightfor calling IceGuy out before I got to it. (and also the Suikoden thing, that actually affects my gameplay..)
DAAAAMN. Just DAAAAAMN.In post 278, Chip Butty wrote:In post 271, Realeo wrote:On a serious note, I am having a hard time. I find the degree of scumminess of ChipButty is bolder than IceGuy, but I find IceGuy less likely to be town.
Using mathematical notation, on a spectrum of 0 to 1 for 0 is town, if the probability function of rolling town of both player is Gaussian distribution, median ChipButty < median IceGuy but standard deviation ChipButty > standard deviation Ice Guy.In post 276, Realeo wrote:I have to admit that I amreddit/4chan-a virgin.
Either for the better or the worse.
Alright I'm gonna play devil's advocate here on this one. Personally I always capitalize Town/Mafia/Specific role names, but I always lowercase the word "scum." It's a stylistic thing and non-indicative of anything, and I wouldn't assume deeper meaning from someone who does the same.In post 305, IceGuy wrote:In post 17, alignments/roles are capitalized, in post 155 they aren't. This could mean that there's more to post 17 than it meets the eye.
No, BAD DOG!
Did you see any times where Una fluffed until called on it and then claim it was his plan all along?In post 420, Realeo wrote:I only give this a skim and this seems to check out.In post 418, UnaBombaH wrote: On this site, my playstyle has always been about provoking others to commit/disengage and force interactions.
I like to fuel conversations, and pretend to be even more paranoid than I actually am (I mean I am, but not to the extent I seem to be)
Some players have therefore called me "mislynchable" or even "lynchbaity", but my gutreads have often been correct.
Ah. Good time. I remember in my first Newbie game, I go head-to-head with a SE which is a confirmed-town in a MYLO with me choosing the right mafia. Did not back down, fortunately.In post 418, UnaBombaH wrote:In the games where I join as replacement, I often get guiltied into changing my reads by more experienced players, because they devalue my logic or reads, but I have turned out to be correct multiple times now (even if I have failed in presenting the case).
Who was this even addressed to?In post 559, Assemblerotws wrote:You look at Una, I'm going to be glaring suspiciously at IceGuy.
That odds that you're Kira are 10%, no, 5%.In post 584, ironstove wrote:According to my calculations, there is a 7.6% chance each of you are scum.
In post 625, grapes wrote:I'm gonna take some time to look at iceguy again but..
Can we lynch this instead guys?In post 592, DuckWorth wrote:I got prodded.
Seems we haven't got long left.
I don't want to vote Una so I will vote iceguy instead as there doesn't appear to be any traction for a ChipButty or Grapes lynch.
VOTE: Iceguy
I'd also vote him if we can get it through before deadline.In post 626, Chip Butty wrote:I'd lynch Duckworth in a heartbeat if there was support for it. Worried about the looming deadline though...In post 625, grapes wrote:I'm gonna take some time to look at iceguy again but..
Can we lynch this instead guys?In post 592, DuckWorth wrote:I got prodded.
Seems we haven't got long left.
I don't want to vote Una so I will vote iceguy instead as there doesn't appear to be any traction for a ChipButty or Grapes lynch.
VOTE: Iceguy
It does seem more Towny that scummy in that it's trying to give Town something to go on after he dies and with the wagons being what they are I don't think Ice and Una could be scum together so it's not likely a distancing attempt. It could be an attempt to get sympathy but that's the only scummy thing about it. Seeing this post makes me more comfortable about switching to another wagon, I'm just not sure if we have the time for another wagon (16 and a half hours currently). Let's start the Duckworth wagon and see if we can get votes for it. I'll switch back if we can't.In post 634, grapes wrote:Hey alch
You think this is a scum post?In post 631, UnaBombaH wrote:I have to go sleeping now - I honestly hope to be alive when I come back.
If you decide to lynch me during the time I'm not around, I want to give my honest top three scum-reads/guesses:
IceGuy
CommKnight
GameNBurger
Go for IceGuy D2 if I'm not around, that should give a ton of context as a flip, even if I'm wrong on my read on him.
There should be zero chance there's not a scum on my wagon if I get hammered. (currently there is a SMALL chance, but I doubt it)
Not a bad theory but what do we do it both the lynch and the vig hit Town? If we hit 1 scum do we keep going with the wagon or do we open the pool up again?In post 681, CommKnight wrote:So... After a shitty last-minute quicklynch onto a town player, a vig shoots a shitty shot at another town member. At least we have a confirmed vigilante active I guess. Out of 5-8 possible VTs we are now down to 2-5 as well. If my math is correct (hint: IT IS), then we have one more mislynch if we make use of the vig tonight to avoid MYLO. Which means before the end of today, we NEED a pool of 3 max people for the vig to shoot into and leave it up to them to decide which of the three is most likely scum. That MUST be decided before the day ends.
(grapes, Alchemist21, Iceguy, Luca Blight, Chip Butty, Assemblerotws, Duckworth)
^ The wagon. IceGuy and Duckworth are dead. (Which Duckworth should not have been able to hammer himself, he's bloody town!!! That's anti-win con!!!)
There's not one person on this wagon that was innocent as far as the mislynching went. They all rushed it within the final hours. Scum obviously was on it (as it'd have to be Una, Mulch and myself if this was a completely town wagon) and also this would be a bad town if it were only scum + Game that didn't vote for Duck.
Anyway, what I'm getting at here, this wagon is the group we're lynching from and from which I suggest we create the pool of 3 to shoot into.
So living members of the wagon are: grapes, Alchemist21, Luca Blight, Chip Butty and Assemblerotws. That's a group of 5, which means lynch one, pool of 3. Only one of them is going to be safe tonight. The remaining 3/4 will not. So perhaps to create the pool for our vigilante, we hunt for the towniest one who got on a stupid wagon.
I assume the vigilante agrees with my train of thought since IceGuy was on the wagon and mafia would want those off the wagon dead.
Also I'm in class at the moment and will be busy for a while today. So tonight I'll get into this a bit more. But this was a bad lynch.
Play the damn game.In post 695, ironstove wrote:Yea, I'll post up a reads list sometime after you lynch una.
If you add those 2 you're making the pool nearly as big as the whole game. And does it really look like I was bussing Una to you?In post 701, Chip Butty wrote:I guess the only positives to come out of all that are that the pool is considerably smaller, and we got some info from the flips. And we have a vig as has been pointed out, which could be good or bad fir town, it's up to us. I agree with whoever said IceGuy was likely the vig shot.
Specifics: I don't mind the CK vig pool idea but the pool should be chosen from the Duckworth wagon PLUS Mulch, who offered to hammer PLUS Realeo, who explicitly approved of it near the end.
Which brings me to a question: Realeo, why didn't you vote for anyone?
Mulch is probably my top scumpick right now. Not only did he offer to hammer Duckworth but he was strongly pushing IceGuy as the lynch. Unabomber has had a towner tone today and late d1 but his flip would provide a lot of association info.
Alch isn't looking quite as good to me today. It was he who got the Duckworth wagon started in earnest late d1. This only matters if Una is scum though. I'm thinking maybe lynch Una and definitely have Mulch in the vig shoot pool.
First line - makes sense.In post 744, Assemblerotws wrote:VOTE: Una
That theory about Game being killed for his reads? Una was his strongest scumread, and my own reread also left me feeling Una is scum.
Also, the reason I was willing to join the flashwagon against Duckworth was to see how his flip would look for the people who started the flashwagon. Didn't get much out of it, though.
Scum can and do get into 1v1's with Town. I'd be shocked if you honestly don't know this by now.In post 755, UnaBombaH wrote:So I stop by to read before I'm off to work, and I have three votes (would be 4/6 but mulch changed).
If at least one of them isn't scum after I said I can mainly just read for two days, likely not make any huge posts, Im surprised.
If I were to be scum, I would have known IceGuy to be town.
So do tell me, why would I shout my throat sore for a 1v1 with him ON DAY 1?
Lynching him was a possibility UNTIL Duck wagon took wind. (I guess so were I, but you might get the point soon)
I don't have time to even check, but there is one scum in the very start of Ducks wagon. (Vote1 or Vote2)
Because scums plan was to feed me vs Ice today and force another mislynch D2.
THAT is why Duck was the lynch.
THAT is why I know Ice was vigged.
Will try to read and post tomorrow.
Oh great. Now I'm agreeing withIn post 756, ironstove wrote:lynch una then maybe chip n butts.
There would be 1-2 others also giving input on the NK.In post 766, UnaBombaH wrote:Passing by again.In post 765, CommKnight wrote:What Assemble said, and LOL. Riiight. Gotta be me or Alch right, at least one of us.In post 762, UnaBombaH wrote: One of Alch/Comm might have to be scum at this point - yesterday I thought it was Comm, but now I'm back to 50/50 because of Ice's flip.
VOTE: Una
I wanted you dead yesterday and then the quick-lynch happened on Duck. You're not escaping this time.
I just think GameNBurger was a weird kill over either of you, but maybe it's just me?
Also: how does no one think it weird that scum!Una would kill EITHER Ice or Game?
Especially Ice, but I think that was the vig.
Seriously, I don't have time until tomorrow or Sunday, but think about the night actions from scum!Una perspective.
Think about me tunneling Ice as hard as I did, why would I throw my everything into one specific lynch DAY 1?
It's a fairly large pool as is but works on the basis of PoE. Adding in a couple extra works backwards from the E part.In post 778, Chip Butty wrote:Why is that a problem? Nobody is cleared yet, so we can all go in the vig pool as far as i'm concerned. And the good thing about the modified CK proposal is that it is objective. Those on the wagon plus Mulch who said he would hammer plus Realeo who said he was down with the lynch. Once we start making exceptions based on subjective impressions, that goes out the window.In post 771, Alchemist21 wrote:If you add those 2 you're making the pool nearly as big as the whole game. And does it really look like I was bussing Una to you?In post 701, Chip Butty wrote:
We should probably get this pool thing sorted befote hammering lol. Too late after...
3 PR's in one night? :lolIn post 813, Mulch wrote:I hat tipped because I was policy checked by 3 fucking town power roles in the night and was fucked by mechanics. Not becaause I got pressure on me. There was literally no way for me to get out of it lmao. I'm collected and calm under pressure as scum a lot of the time, sometimes I use appeal to emoition when all else fails. I also do this as town though, so...In post 812, Chip Butty wrote:Not at all. I was hoping for all the hat tipping, self-voting, ragescreaming antics I've seen from scum.Mulch elsewhere.In post 811, Mulch wrote:The fact your saying that it's a reaction test is also scummy.
You know you've thrown a lot of shade at the people outside the proposed vig pool. I'm thinking you might be scum that's afraid you'll be the one getting vigged.In post 826, Chip Butty wrote:We all know scum can be on or off the wagon. I'm pointing to people who stand out in some way. Note that CK LAMISTly points to his noninvolvement in the DW lynch.In post 821, Mulch wrote:You said those on the wagon are scummy and those off the wagon are scummy
Ok, you actually made me laugh here.In post 872, ironstove wrote:I think ironstove is lock town. I also don't think you should shoot him. He's not old yeller.
Holy shit you're playing the game! Thank you.In post 873, ironstove wrote:Nicely improvised blade runner quote.
So, my take on the whole interaction between mulch vs chip and butts is that they're not both scum.
I think flipping una will provide information based on who supported and resisted it. I see two potential groups forming based on una's flip.
My fear is that if una flips town, this makes me look bad because I was the first to vote for him and pushed for his lynch. I don't think he's town though.
So if una flips scum, I would think mulch, commknight, or realo could be scum based on amount of resistance generated by them to save una.
If una flips town, I'm not sure. I could see alchemist, chip and butts, or assemble being in the scum group.
I think commknight's 792 trying to direct the vig shot is something I generally see scum players trying to do. Town players who do this tend to be big-dick type players but comm has not really played in that style, so it appears to be more motivated from the standpoint of a scum trying to get vig to shoot town/not shoot scum.
So with that said, if una flips scum, I'm feeling a commknight lynch and one could make the point that chip and I are most likely town because of this 'attempt' to direct the vig.
Tell me if anything I said sounds crazy. I don't think so, I don't have rabies.
How confident were you on Mulch before 934? This seems like quite a fast read-flip on top of an oddly specific reachout.In post 932, UnaBombaH wrote:I felt very desperate at the start of D2, but I'm feeling very confident in having 2/3 scum in CommKnight/Mulch/Assembletrows.
Assemble likely being the traitor, considering his D1 speculations on the role.
This is what you said:In post 953, UnaBombaH wrote:You misunderstood me: I haven't changed my read on mulch yet.In post 936, Alchemist21 wrote:How confident were you on Mulch before 934? This seems like quite a fast read-flip on top of an oddly specific reachout.
It says above "IF I were to accept" mulch as town, THEN the following apply.
I still think my earlier list is more likely.
You straight-up said you were Townreading that post. Don't backtrack and say it was all just you playing around with a hypothetical, because it was based in you supposedly Townreading Mulch.In post 935, UnaBombaH wrote: This feels like town!mulch, as far as I am concerned.
If I were to accept that as a fact:
Realeo is the lockedest of Townies ( ), Grapes right behind him.
I would have to still keep valuing between scum!Comm and scum!Alch. I can't shake the feeling there's one scum there, and since mulch doesn't scumread either, I don't have any help there.
Assemble gains more scum-points since mulch agrees there.
Chip and Iron are the ones I'm most conflicted on already, but I don't think they are necessarily scum for pushing me, but ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE TO BE, if all of the above apply.
Unless I have locked Luca as town too early?
Although I townread this post from mulch, I flat out disagree with few of his reads.
I wanted his opinion and "rating" of Alch because I really need to sort that slot.
I disagree with moving Una to the vig pool instead of outright lynching him. I'm tired right now and can't put 100% of my mental focus on this plan, but beyond what I just said I don't see a problem with it.In post 945, CommKnight wrote:UNVOTE:
Let me put forth a theory. Alchemist, Realeo and I are spared to create a "town bloc". Perhaps there is someone else who was trying to enter the bloc. Now this would actually lead me to look at Alchemist in him wanting to get payback for our last game together. Plus this game he doesn't quite seem as involved or in depth as he was in our last two games together where he was town both times.
We have plenty of time to still work some things out, but I'm still comfortable with Chip and Iron being in the pool. Just questioning whether to go through with lynching Una and aiming for grapes or Luca for now.
But I think Alchemist, Realeo and Mulch are all off the table today. That at least lowers the pool to 6 right now. If I put Iron and Chip off the table and maybe even just say Una is the third for the pool and leave those 3 up to the vig to shoot. Then we lynch into Assemble/Luca/grapes. Either way, with 6 main suspects on today's agenda, I think if we do 3 in the lynch pool and 3 in the vig pool. it'd be better for us.
Does anyone disagree with that?
If not, then the question is, who should we leave to the vig to decide in and who should we leave for the town to decide in.