Open 698: Stack the Deck (GAME OVER)
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I think he accepted grapes as town too easily with “your feeding scum”In post 151, Alchemist21 wrote:
Gonna need reasons here too.In post 149, Mulch wrote:VOTE: gamenburger
@grapes- why did you have my predecessor as scum early game?Amrock#3784-
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Yeah, maybe just explain what's goin' through your brain there if you don't mindIn post 160, Realeo wrote:
Are you expecting me to respond? I don't see questions?In post 158, Mulch wrote:It's a tiny bit weird that Realeo retracted a town lean just because nobody else agreed with him in 48, but I don't know if it's allignment indicative? Maybe a little scummy because I don't see why he would do that *shrug* @RealeoAmrock#3784-
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Actually, an open game shoulden't really effect how reads can form. But because of the slow pace, I feel some pressure to generate reads earlier than I might not have otherwise. Maybe in a Mini Normal I wait a couple more hundred posts, but I don't want to like have everything I say outdated relative to the paceIn post 161, UnaBombaH wrote:Can you explain why it being an open game affects how early reads can form?Amrock#3784-
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Why?In post 250, DuckWorth wrote:EBWOP: "I still dislike the amount of reads that grapes got so early in the game"
I could pretty much follow them allAmrock#3784-
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I completely disagree with realeo 170 but I at least can see what he was thinking. No longer scummy for me. Also, apparently Riddle was Duckworth, so he goes into a scumlean cause of that first post
[Side note: you shoulden't allow you to be influenced by the crowd, your mistake is that you are assuming townspeople's reads will actually be right, lol)Amrock#3784-
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Why?In post 249, DuckWorth wrote:Many of his votes are reactionary and trigger-happy at mild issues and therefore they give me a scumvibe.Amrock#3784-
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In post 339, Chip Butty wrote:Not for philosophy specifically, it was elsewhere. Once it was scum.me. i took a lot of flak for it but ultimately survived.
What i am saying is it is a form of iioa, as i have said a couple of times, and that is so much of a thing that it has an entry in the wiki.
I don't consider it a bad rationale for poking at someone early on a slow d1. I don't see why people are getting excited about it, except that it IS a slow d1.
The vibe i get from Realio is he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, but that isn't AI.
You said every time you've seen this it's been scum tho right- even if it's another site, can you link when you've seen itAmrock#3784-
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I don't know. On one hand I can see where he is coming from with each one; on the other hand, it's the sort of shallow, mechanical thinking that scum do a lot, with emphasis on people that are contributing and engaged. Town can be dumb and read people for this but scum can easily fake this too.Amrock#3784-
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GameNBurger's recent two posts are bad imo. Willing to change wagons to him.
He then goes on to post fluff and theory.In post 437, GameNBurger wrote:I'm generally not in favor of people who think that talking about the game is scummy.
Town does fluff, scum does fluff- fluff isn't allignment indicative on an invididual post basis, only as a volume read. But I am getting the feeling that he is subtly implying that he should not be scumread for what he is doing/is going to do...Amrock#3784-
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I feel as if 427 may be coming from someone that has the perspective that Una is town. Specifically, the "your gut could be wrong" line is not something you would usually say to someone that you think is scum; you would say the "gut read" is bullshit. Another red flag is "agreeing" or "understanding" some of the points and yet still continuing to push with the same level of confidence. You have conf biased on Una.
Town can conf bias but I have noticed that scum are much more aware of how this can be perceived and are more likely to do the "well, I do agree with point 1" thing and thennot change the severeity of the read. I believe the towny reaction is to ease up on the scumread if you can go into their mindset or like a certain post...the scum reaction is to point this out to make it seem like you are considering but not actually consider.Amrock#3784-
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In post 405, IceGuy wrote:Begging for town reads is not towny behavior, being useful to town and getting read as town is.
Technically correct in theory, but scumreading someone for "anti-town behavior" instead of "likely to be scum" behavior is not a good look imo.Amrock#3784-
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It's been sort of hard to get into this game. Really boring game lolIn post 448, Chip Butty wrote:Good to see you getting involved, whatever your alignment. Might liven things up a bit.Amrock#3784-
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In post 418, UnaBombaH wrote:In the games where I join as replacement, I often get guiltied into changing my reads by more experienced players, because they devalue my logic or reads, but I have turned out to be correct multiple times now (even if I have failed in presenting the casUna, after the game, let's talk about this stuff. I can really relate to this postAmrock#3784-
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SureIn post 453, Chip Butty wrote:Mulch, would you mind reading Alch and Luca when you have time?Amrock#3784-
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In post 164, Luca Blight wrote:c) because I find asking for self-meta to be kinda pointless - if he's so aware of his own meta then it's devalued anyway, and if he's scum then again, why would willingly do Town's work for him? I'm not one to willingly supply self-meta myself regardless of alignment, so it would be a bit hypocritical of me to ask such a question.@Luca: I think I'm probably missing context for this, but why is this a reason to townread him and what exactly did he do regarding self meta?Amrock#3784-
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I believe soIn post 457, Chip Butty wrote:
So vice versa as well?In post 454, Mulch wrote:I think that if Ice flips scum, Una is relatively spewed town. I don't think they are capable of scum theatre like thisAmrock#3784-
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What reasoning? It was a fact...In post 165, Luca Blight wrote:but it's the reasoning behind it that caught me as a bit strange.Amrock#3784-
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VOTE: GamenburgerIn post 462, Realeo wrote:
YOU and me can start gameNBurger's wagon together!In post 446, Mulch wrote:GameNBurger's recent two posts are bad imo. Willing to change wagons to him.
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I can't understand... can you explain it better?In post 472, Luca Blight wrote:]
Yes, you are missing the context. That was in reply to this question:In post 458, Mulch wrote:In post 164, Luca Blight wrote:c) because I find asking for self-meta to be kinda pointless - if he's so aware of his own meta then it's devalued anyway, and if he's scum then again, why would willingly do Town's work for him? I'm not one to willingly supply self-meta myself regardless of alignment, so it would be a bit hypocritical of me to ask such a question.@Luca: I think I'm probably missing context for this, but why is this a reason to townread him and what exactly did he do regarding self meta?
In post 137, Chip Butty wrote:@Grapes: sorry if I've missed this in your gargantuan posts, but can you please link us to a game where you were town and played in a similar style?
@Luca: Speaking of easy, how come you have accepted GrapeAmrock#3784-
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He isn't putting his opinion on anything, he's just reiterating what retracting a town lean isIn post 472, Luca Blight wrote:How is "You said you want to retract your town lean, that implies you think he's scum now" a fact?
It's an incorrect interpretationAmrock#3784-
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You commented on 8 pages of catchup with no substantial thoughts and a large theory post. Which isn't bad in itself... but you said separately, off hand, "people who talk about theory posts are not scummy" or something along those lines.In post 476, GameNBurger wrote:Why does my behavior strike you specifically as trying to subtly imply I'm town given I havent explicitly or implicitly stated anything that I was doing was town?
I dislike that you are focusing on how you subly impled your "not scum" rather than "town". There is no practical difference; your harping on word choice...if you subtly imply that you are not scum...cmonAmrock#3784-
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Your "opinion" is that theory posts are NAI....what exactly are you "acting on"? You are trying to act on having NAI posts?In post 476, GameNBurger wrote:So you're saying I should hold my opinion still but then not act on it????
No, I'm not saying you should hold an opinion and then not act on it... it makes no sense for you to "act" on this opinion...Amrock#3784-
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I was asked to by someone ..In post 552, grapes wrote:There's some pretty good stuff in mulch's iso but I wanna dig here a little.
In post 463, Mulch wrote:I think that Luca's indignation and anger about the ordering of the town read fiasco with Ice is relatively villagery
I'm curious what made you wanna go back and look at luca's early game when you thought his recent content seemed villagery.In post 465, Mulch wrote:I will give Luca a scum lean. I don't like some of his earlier posts
Can you go more into what you didn't like from his early stuff?Amrock#3784-
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In post 368, Luca Blight wrote:The way I see it, why bother commenting on it if he's not reading it as scummy?
I dislike this point...volume read on a post basis..@LucaAmrock#3784-
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In post 510, IceGuy wrote:ISO ironstove or Assemblerowts and tell me whether you can form a better read.
Why are you scumreading them if there isn't material to form a good read...
I think this flips scum..Amrock#3784-
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Oh god... probability. 25%?In post 578, Chip Butty wrote:Mulch, what do you rate the chances of Una-Ice being TvT?Amrock#3784