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ego

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give me a a few min while i read these last 5 whole pages. this will probably take long. lol

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give me a a few min while i read these last 5 whole pages. this will probably take long. lol

scum lurker suspicion: engaged.

no. im just a slow reader

don't be suspicious of innocent UCV over here just sliding silently to endgame!


Jokes aside, lets get don to buisness

Im not liking the Archwing play from RVS. IT seemed like he was using a lot of OMGUS to try to drag RVS longer than necessary. one thing i have learned from my time playing as town is that you wan't to end RVS as fast as possible. if you can end RVS by page 2, your doing good!

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Lucca looked like town? I won't argue, but he didn't make a single post

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Im not the most familiar with his scum play like Luca Blight is with mine. Though i have seen his scum play before and might be able to get a hint to what his PM color he has

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I am all ready town reading Mozamis.
His posts seem to be coming from a townie point of view

I have a null read on Luca
i am familiar with his play, so i will be able to read him soon

i have a scum lean on archwing
I am less familiar with this player, but i don't know how trying to make RVS last longer helps town, so i am all ready not so sure about that slot

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why exactly do you have these reads?

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all the townreads have been explained so far by them

yea. most of them. i had to reread. i think i read through the first time a little to fast tbh.

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im leaning Luca townie. . .depending on if he continues to post like he is.

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im leaning Luca townie. . .depending on if he continues to post like he is.

imagine the ". . ." as a long pause where im thinking.

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Luca doesn't ATE. I don't remember seeing ATE from him, and i doubt he is actually doing it. he has a solid game style. no need to change

are you sure you know what ATE is? IF not, it is appeal to emotion. Im sure you know this though

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He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

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He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

I have seen town ignore cases on them, but i have also seen

A LOT

of times

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He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

I have seen town ignore cases on them, but i have also seen scum do that

A LOT

of times

EDITED that

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yea, i use iso to mke my cases when im scum because it is easier to bend the truth. it is better to make the cases as they go in the page numbers.

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Gut feeling on Impede and UCV being scum buddies....just putting it in here for reference.

you always have gut feeling i am scum though i can't blame you tbh.

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Luca has played with me in a few games

a mini normal where i was a town JailKeeper
In a newbie game (mandella effect) where i was Doctor
A newbie game (basketball) where i was scum and was the most obv scum and somehow won! that is why he has the right to scum read me based on gut. though im town here. : p

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@ Lucca have i played with you before , in agame that Magna Illusion was in?

i replaced that lucca

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@ Lucca have i played with you before , in agame that Magna Illusion was in?

i replaced that lucca

lucca = the person i replaced
luca = the other Luca who i didn't replace

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is implede's scum play a LURK!SCUM?

If so, i would totally vote for him. Im still trying to make reads, though it is early in the game

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@laserguy lets not policy lynch, plus lucca replaced out, so there is just a Luca and Lucky

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I'm not liking how impede keeps saying he will post later, but I see where he is coming from. I have done that as town.
His ATE case made no since

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so far

Town
Luca, Comm, Moz

town lean
comm, lucky, sesq

Null
cy, Laser, Cult

scum lean
Archwing slot, Impede

I don have any solid scum reads yet, but im still hunting

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so far

Town
Luca, Comm, Moz

town lean
comm, lucky, sesq

Null
cy, Laser, Cult

scum lean
Archwing slot, Impede

I don have any solid scum reads yet, but im still hunting

why do my read lists always look so disorganized. They look like this all of the time and it is just ugly.

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I think I want to switch Luca and Moz after looking at that again. Meh.

because they made a case on you?

You should make an actual case. OMGUS isn't a good reason for voting, but it looks terrible to OMGUS like that.


im wondering, Is there a good reason to vote Luca or Moz. They have been extremely townie so far.

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why would you ask someone to lynch you?

tbh, this looks like ATE to me. and the fact you were trying use ATE earlier disturbs me.

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why would you ask someone to lynch you?

tbh, this looks like ATE to me. and the fact you were trying use ATE earlier disturbs me.

Because he's clearly not read my posts and is falling victim to conf bias. Don't like his playstyle at all. If I'm going to be on the receiving end of it all game for no reason then I'll either have to get used to ignoring it or end up dead. It's a waste because I feel relatively strongly that he's town and should be going after players presenting legitimate scumtells.

Luca has a really good play style. i have seen him figure out who the scum is several times. He takes a good approach to the game as well. What he is doing now isn confbias. if he was confbias, he would probably be on me right now.
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these are some examples of when i confbias. confbias generally doesn't happen til nylo or mylo.

another thing

confbias is a town move

. If luca is confbiasing you, isn't your main scum read moz who also would be confbias you? Im still trying to figure out how it isn't

OMGUS

.

I find it very strange how you kept rather silent until this case formed on you, and you started to post again. It makes little to no since.

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I'm townreading both of them to be clear. Definitely not an OMGUS lol. I think I townread Luca moreso than Moz... hence that comment.

oh. didn see this.

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Finally caught up. Here's where I'm at as far as reads. Not going to post a ton of rationale since I need to get back to work (on lunch right now), but most of it is in my previous posts from the past hour. Feel free to question anything in particular that doesn't jive and I'll explain.

Town

to

Null

to

Scum

:

Sesq, Moz

UCV*, Luca, Cy

----slight

Laser*, Comm

----leaning town

CoA*, Arch('s slot)*

----leaning scum

Lucky, Zaraki

*indicates a need for more content. Don't feel great about these reads.

lol. why did i think this said you were scum reading moz and Luca...... my bad. i miss read

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I am scummy for town reading you? damn, i guess im not allowed to townread people.

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So i just reread Impede's more recent post. I really miss read them which is very obv because i thought he said he was scum reading Luca and Moz, but they were not.

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I am scummy for town reading you? damn, i guess im not allowed to townread people.

That's misrepping what I said.

A lot of people have townread me this game yet you don't see me scumreading every one of them.

so Why am i any different?

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I am scummy for town reading you? damn, i guess im not allowed to townread people.

That's misrepping what I said.

A lot of people have townread me this game yet you don't see me scumreading every one of them.

so Why am i any different?

Because you're trying to buddy me and it feels fake.

If it's genuine then I apologise, but I can't shake this feeling that you're scum, and I don't think I'll be able to until you're dead.

if it changes anything, it is genuine. I also have learned that just because someone is siding with me, it doesn't mean they are the same alignment as me. I endorse that concept as town and scum because it is true and it will help you if you keep that mindset

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MOD NOTES

UC Voyager replaces lucca261. Please thank and welcome UC Voyager!.

*sigh*

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He has also made a lot of 'on the fence' comments, as is his style as scum:

There's some definite fence–sitting happening. Can't say if there is an actual attempt at pocketing, but I don't really know UCVs meta

depending on who you ask


according to Luca, i am always scummy. (not true) regardless of alignment, but I joke around as town and don't try.

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Zulfy is yet to post comm. unless i missed his post/s

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as i said, im done with lucky because he is too terrible at this game to warrant my time.

as for ucv wagon... i can see where it's coming from? but he feels somewhat honest. ill have to see more

Oh no... whatever will I do without your insightful...

Spoiler:

This is so stupid, that all I can say is what

this is too egregious to continue.

the worst post in all of mafia

fucking done with you.

...commentary on my gameplay?

Please... comeback...

this is not that good

Im hoping your joking with the gif because you are telling someone to stop trying to read you. there is a difference between reading and commenting on your gameplay

why do you think he is commenting on your gameplay?
he is saying why your posts are not town motivated

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Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

I honestly agree. Policy Lynching will be used to the advantage of scum. we should not let scum get the advantage

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How do you know that I'm Town? No one thus far has really townread me with any confidence.

he didn't say he knew btw

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Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Where are you getting this idea from? What is this in response to?

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

I honestly agree. Policy Lynching will be used to the advantage of scum. we should not let scum get the advantage

Guys, we should lynch the mafia and not the townies, because that will benefit town. Am I townread yet?

i don't even know where the fuck you are going with this. i am so confused by it lol.

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@laserguy lets not policy lynch, plus lucca replaced out, so there is just a Luca and Lucky

Where did you get the idea of a policy lynch from Laser's 167?

I actually don't know where i was getting the policy lynch thing from. : p. I probably miss read or was thinking of something else.

giving lucky a town pass for sheer effort.
he copuld be very good scum, but hes not a day 1 lynch

...what? Thanks for town reading me, but this is absolutely the wrong reason to.

I'm pretty sure I like this - it's not often that I see scum questioning townreads on them.

I like the bit about scum trying to get on a townblock. The only problem with it is that there are two "blocks" forming in this game right now that are buddying each other pretty heavily, and the way I see it, you could have scum in either or both.

That's true. The important part to look at is how each person joined (or attempted to join) the townblock - through interactions or through sheeping the general consensus.

Nyegh. After looking at 90, it is a hot mess. I think I fucked up along the lines. (won't lie, I'm not the greatest with percentages so I had an easier time with cy's 4 posts). I was honestly trying to go for an objective analysis, but I guess I fell into the confirmation bias anyways.

Although I feel I townread too early, as he hardly posts. Then again, still a town lean.

I feel Sesq and Luka are def town. As for the other reads? I haven't got my thoughts organized yet. Maybe Impede too? He seems to be getting townier and townier.

Don't try to play mafia like a game of sudoku. I know it feels better to base things off of objectivity but this is a subjective game - put your reads out there, focus on your personal opinions and try to analyze the opinions of others.

I find it very strange how you kept rather silent until this case formed on you, and you started to post again. It makes little to no since.

Does it really not make sense? Think about it.

Hint: by strange, i mean scummy.

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i don't even know where the fuck you are going with this. i am so confused by it lol.

I was calling 266 LAMIST.

i have heard the term LAMIST before, though i am not sure what it means.

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LAMIST means Look At Me I'm So Town.

ok

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you know what. fuck it
@mod replace me. im sorry Luca, but i do not think i can join games with you anymore. This is bad shit crazy

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No. I definitely am not taking this shit AGAIN. regardless of alignment, do you realise how annoying it is to be scumread based off a Meta which i am not playing. THAT WAS MY FUCKING FIRST SCUM GAME! do you think i would play it every time. plus, just look at the statistics. what are the chances of me being scum here. I thought you would have gotten over the one game by now, but apparently not.

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no. You are supposed to not use fucking meta as your literal ONLY reason and parts of your case are FULL speculation.
You have specifically targeted me to go for in EVERY game now. and it is always the same meta case which isn't true. Think about it, if i were scum trying to appeal to you why the fuck would i play my scum meta. oh shit, i wouldn't. here is somthing i do, i play my town game as scum. therefore, it is often hard t tell the difference plus the way you describe my scum meta is shit! Thanks a fucking lot. Meta is a good way to read, but you took it way to far here. now, it is almost your only reason.

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@mod don't replace me. I think I have overreacted. I honestly just need to take some time to calm down and then come back and make a post

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give me a min to respond to posts and get to making my own

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so far

Town
Luca, Comm, Moz

Can you explain this townread on moz?

He hasn't posted much since my interance, but His posts seem to have a lot of town motivation behind them. I liked how he scum read me, but was also looking for other possible scum.

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122, 171, 191, 266 - A continuing theme of

'town should/shouldn't be doing this!'

. This is something UCV does when he is scum.

I actually think i do this as either alignment.

129 - Completely fake scumhunting. Looks contrived with one townread, one null read, one scum read, and no real reasoning for any of it.

How is that fake scum hunting? how is that scum hunting at all? Those are reads. there is a difference between scum hunting and reads

141, 143,152, 155, 199 - Buddying me. As I explained before, he knows I know his meta well and that I tunnel on him once I catch on that he's scum, and he entered into this game with the plan of trying to appease me, no doubt about it.

No. I town read you because i thought that you were being townie.

146, 147, 174 - Fence-sitting. This is something I know he does as scum.

I have no idea what you mean by fence shitting for one. for two, i do not see the issue with these posts.

159 Asking if Impede's play is lurkscum; why can't he judge this for himself?

because i do not recall playing with him in the past.

189 - non-committal and unexplained reads list where he gives scum leans but says he has no solid scum reads, but is apparently 'still hunting'.

yes and? I had no reads. and i was still trying to make reads.

222 - Responds to my vote on him for buddying with a further attempt at buddying, saying it's good I don't always consider those who side with me as being of the same alignment. He's also using emotion here to try and get me to change my mind.

omfg. i was saying that i wasn't buddying you, i thought you were townie. And i wasn't using ate to change your mind. I was saying that i wasn't buddying

Other than that, I have played with him many times now and can read this guy like a book. UCV is today's lynch - let's make it happen.

and yet, you have never been in a game with me where i was a vanilla townie which is the most common role in the game. (semi-serious)

Unless anyone can give any good reason why we

shouldn't

lynch UCV today?

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VOTE: Zulfy
im leaving this here until he makes a post or two.

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I might get to this game a little later. I just got out of a game that put a lot of pressure on me, so im still trying to calm down N such.

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In response to UVC's orange-coloured text above:

1. I have been in a game with you when you were VT (Baseball).

2. Fence-sitting, not 'fence-shitting'. It's basically where you're flip-flopping; not taking an actual stance on something.

3. Fake scum-hunting as you're giving the impression you're looking for scum. I've already explained why it reads fake.

ok. you were replaced out. i forgot about that. plus, would you really count a game where I threw it that baddly. i mean, i pretty much accepted the lynch like a bar of chocolate.

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so he posts.

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no. it doesn't. I am intrigued by how Impede jumps onto my wagon so eagerly.

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Luca, do you think Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez is scum for not staying on my wagon? how about CY?

do you even have any other scum reads. this entire time, you have been targeting me and no one else.


MOZ
what are your reasons for voting me. it honestly looks like you just sheeping me, and sheeping isn't always the best thing to do.


Implede
so you unvoted me for a little? Were you expecting my wagon to keep going on without you, but when another person unvoted, you decided you still needed to be on it?

Luca, what is my town meta. you have done a lot of talking about my scum meta. how about my town meta. all i have heard you refer to my town play is that im still scummy (which isn't true) as town.

also

you know my scum meta. i don't ask to be bused. if you are implying that Implede is scum, the way he is doing it doesn't fit my scum meta.

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also

Luca
why are you so quick to say Implede is bussing when his post looks similar to a few others who voted me? are you just setting up one misslynch at a time. What happens when i flip town? he is scum for being on a town wagon?
It honestly seems like you are guiding miss lynches right now. I have had this hard town read on you, but since your case on me has started, you seem to be acting more and more scummy.

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Gut feeling on Impede and UCV being scum buddies....just putting it in here for reference.

hmmmm. scum reads me on

GUT FEELING

Scumteam =

Impede, UCV, LaserGuy, ???

.

wow, you were litterally just accusing me of making reads with no reasoning. talk about hypocrisy

UNVOTE:

Impede's catch-up was pretty decent and I no longer want to lynch him today.

My preferred lynch today is UCV. I have experience with him and know his style well - this really feels like his scum game to me. I've been trying my best not to tunnel on him as I'm aware I have a tendancy to, but it really feels as if he's trying to buddy me to get me on his side so I won't go for him.

Spoiler: UCV's buddying

im leaning Luca townie. . .depending on if he continues to post like he is.

Luca doesn't ATE. I don't remember seeing ATE from him, and i doubt he is actually doing it. he has a solid game style. no need to change

are you sure you know what ATE is? IF not, it is appeal to emotion. Im sure you know this though

Gut feeling on Impede and UCV being scum buddies....just putting it in here for reference.

you always have gut feeling i am scum though i can't blame you tbh.

Luca has played with me in a few games

a mini normal where i was a town JailKeeper
In a newbie game (mandella effect) where i was Doctor
A newbie game (basketball) where i was scum and was the most obv scum and somehow won! that is why he has the right to scum read me based on gut. though im town here. : p

why would you ask someone to lynch you?

tbh, this looks like ATE to me. and the fact you were trying use ATE earlier disturbs me.

Because he's clearly not read my posts and is falling victim to conf bias. Don't like his playstyle at all. If I'm going to be on the receiving end of it all game for no reason then I'll either have to get used to ignoring it or end up dead. It's a waste because I feel relatively strongly that he's town and should be going after players presenting legitimate scumtells.

Luca has a really good play style. i have seen him figure out who the scum is several times. He takes a good approach to the game as well. What he is doing now isn confbias. if he was confbias, he would probably be on me right now.
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these are some examples of when i confbias. confbias generally doesn't happen til nylo or mylo.

another thing

confbias is a town move

. If luca is confbiasing you, isn't your main scum read moz who also would be confbias you? Im still trying to figure out how it isn't

OMGUS

.

I find it very strange how you kept rather silent until this case formed on you, and you started to post again. It makes little to no since.

He has also made a lot of 'on the fence' comments, as is his style as scum:

Spoiler: UCV's fence-sitting

I am all ready town reading Mozamis.
His posts seem to be coming from a townie point of view

I have a null read on Luca
i am familiar with his play, so i will be able to read him soon

i have a scum lean on archwing
I am less familiar with this player, but i don't know how trying to make RVS last longer helps town, so i am all ready not so sure about that slot

This one is too orderly - one townread, one null read and one scumread? Convenient.

He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

I have seen town ignore cases on them, but i have also seen

A LOT

of times

is implede's scum play a LURK!SCUM?

If so, i would totally vote for him. Im still trying to make reads, though it is early in the game

I'm not liking how impede keeps saying he will post later, but I see where he is coming from. I have done that as town.
His ATE case made no since

VOTE: UCV

Everyone sheep me.

OK. let me walk through this

1. you said i was buddying you when some of those quotes were me stating pure fact! Other posts, i was litterally doing what your doing to me, but i was town reading you
141 was saying i have seen your town play and will see it soon if you are town. you eventually turn around and start this whole case on me. notice how you were not super hostile with me until i mentioned your meta. then all of a sudden you are getting scared. the more and more i read your posts, the weaker my town read on you is.

143 I stated fact. you don't like ATE. I wasn't even hard town reading you, just stating fact. Do you wan't to utilize ATE later on,, but need me gone to do so?

152 wasn't even a town read on you god damnit.

199sure, it is a town read on you, but is it really buddying?


moving on
,my fence sitting is not really a valid fucking reason

-I did not want to just jump on a wagon because one could be lurking. lurking isn't a scum tell unless that is a meta, so i was asking if it was his scum meta. if it was, then i wouldn't be risking as much then if he lurked as town some times or he was just busy!

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also, because Luca doesn't know it, here is my town meta which LUCA KEEPS REFUSING TO ANSWER. I doubt he missed it. he is trying to avoid the quesion because it doesn't help his case on me!

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most recent town game. probably reliable

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a townie where i was endgame, but lost. rather recent.

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another more recent game. i did play similar in this game to how i did in the one i listed before.

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I did throw in this, but you can read into it.

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@UCV: Buddying and fence sitting are great scumtells. You have to read personality/meta into it though because certain people (myself included) tend to be hesitant to state hard and fast conclusions without a great degree of confidence and might have a naturally agreeable disposition. This can come off like fencesitting and buddying. That's why I wanted to try to understand your meta a bit more, but having my second-biggest townread say "I know this guy and this is his scum game" kind of puts the nail in the coffin IMO. But that's also why I asked him what he thinks your town meta looks like.

imagine if i did that as scum. wait, i don't

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Gut feeling on Impede and UCV being scum buddies....just putting it in here for reference.

hmmmm. scum reads me on

GUT FEELING

Yes, initially my read was gut feeling. What's the issue with this, and what's with the big, red-coloured lettering?

it is so it stands out. gut feeling isn't the best reason to scum read someone.

Scumteam =

Impede, UCV, LaserGuy, ???

.

wow, you were litterally just accusing me of making reads with no reasoning. talk about hypocrisy

I gave reasoning already for UCV and Impede. I was making a possible connection for reference - the reasoning is pretty self-explanatory as this post came just after the interaction it was referring to.

I am failing to see where you said anything other than "gut".

UNVOTE:

Impede's catch-up was pretty decent and I no longer want to lynch him today.

My preferred lynch today is UCV. I have experience with him and know his style well - this really feels like his scum game to me. I've been trying my best not to tunnel on him as I'm aware I have a tendancy to, but it really feels as if he's trying to buddy me to get me on his side so I won't go for him.

Spoiler: UCV's buddying

im leaning Luca townie. . .depending on if he continues to post like he is.

Luca doesn't ATE. I don't remember seeing ATE from him, and i doubt he is actually doing it. he has a solid game style. no need to change

are you sure you know what ATE is? IF not, it is appeal to emotion. Im sure you know this though

Gut feeling on Impede and UCV being scum buddies....just putting it in here for reference.

you always have gut feeling i am scum though i can't blame you tbh.

Luca has played with me in a few games

a mini normal where i was a town JailKeeper
In a newbie game (mandella effect) where i was Doctor
A newbie game (basketball) where i was scum and was the most obv scum and somehow won! that is why he has the right to scum read me based on gut. though im town here. : p

why would you ask someone to lynch you?

tbh, this looks like ATE to me. and the fact you were trying use ATE earlier disturbs me.

Because he's clearly not read my posts and is falling victim to conf bias. Don't like his playstyle at all. If I'm going to be on the receiving end of it all game for no reason then I'll either have to get used to ignoring it or end up dead. It's a waste because I feel relatively strongly that he's town and should be going after players presenting legitimate scumtells.

Luca has a really good play style. i have seen him figure out who the scum is several times. He takes a good approach to the game as well. What he is doing now isn confbias. if he was confbias, he would probably be on me right now.
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these are some examples of when i confbias. confbias generally doesn't happen til nylo or mylo.

another thing

confbias is a town move

. If luca is confbiasing you, isn't your main scum read moz who also would be confbias you? Im still trying to figure out how it isn't

OMGUS

.

I find it very strange how you kept rather silent until this case formed on you, and you started to post again. It makes little to no since.

He has also made a lot of 'on the fence' comments, as is his style as scum:

Spoiler: UCV's fence-sitting

I am all ready town reading Mozamis.
His posts seem to be coming from a townie point of view

I have a null read on Luca
i am familiar with his play, so i will be able to read him soon

i have a scum lean on archwing
I am less familiar with this player, but i don't know how trying to make RVS last longer helps town, so i am all ready not so sure about that slot

This one is too orderly - one townread, one null read and one scumread? Convenient.

He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

He didn't even seem to acknowledge it. Im not sure what to think of that.

I have seen town ignore cases on them, but i have also seen

A LOT

of times

is implede's scum play a LURK!SCUM?

If so, i would totally vote for him. Im still trying to make reads, though it is early in the game

I'm not liking how impede keeps saying he will post later, but I see where he is coming from. I have done that as town.
His ATE case made no since

VOTE: UCV

Everyone sheep me.

OK. let me walk through this

1. you said i was buddying you when some of those quotes were me stating pure fact! Other posts, i was litterally doing what your doing to me, but i was town reading you
141 was saying i have seen your town play and will see it soon if you are town. you eventually turn around and start this whole case on me. notice how you were not super hostile with me until i mentioned your meta. then all of a sudden you are getting scared. the more and more i read your posts, the weaker my town read on you is.

143 I stated fact. you don't like ATE. I wasn't even hard town reading you, just stating fact. Do you wan't to utilize ATE later on,, but need me gone to do so?

152 wasn't even a town read on you god damnit.

199sure, it is a town read on you, but is it really buddying?


moving on
,my fence sitting is not really a valid fucking reason

-I did not want to just jump on a wagon because one could be lurking. lurking isn't a scum tell unless that is a meta, so i was asking if it was his scum meta. if it was, then i wouldn't be risking as much then if he lurked as town some times or he was just busy!

You think I was getting scared of you because you mentioned by meta? Don't be daft. What reason would I have to fear someone who not only completely townread me but was actively buddying me?

143 - you think I want you gone so I can use AtE later-on? That is laughable. And yes you were clearly townreading me, don't deny it.

Not really. that post was saying you don't ATE. not i town read you. stop twisting my words

152 - No, but you were being overly-friendly in response to my suspicion of you.

. . .Because you scum read me often. i was hoping you would be more reasonable here.

199 - yes, it is buddying.

no. it is town reading god damnit.

Fence sitting really is a valid fucking reason.

BUT IT DID NOT FIT THE CONTEXT

You say lurking isn't a scumtell yet you are currently voting someone for lurking? Go figure.

imagine the fact i want them to actually post.


Ok.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73567
I lurked here.

[UC Voyager]

wht the hell. now you are trying to rush my lynch.

[UC Voyager]

SCUM
LUCA
LUCKY her vote on me is bad
MOZ now
sesq

TOWN
CY
implede possibly
Zaraki

[UC Voyager]

So now I'm suddenly scum when UCV knows I have a tendency to tunnel him when I genuinely believe he's scum?

READ MY FUCKING POSTS!

your case on me is bad shit crazy.

[UC Voyager]

I genuinely think you're scum. Replacing out is pointless either way.

If you're Town then you get the last laugh, right?

Tells me i should stay around if im town. if im town, how is it going to help you if I am town replacing out? you just are a scum who wants to use me as lynch bait. do you know how annoying it is to always be a scum read

Voyager, are you really gonna replace out like this?

Have some dignity at least.

now you are desperate to keep me around because you know that whoever would have replaced me, you would not be able to pull the same shit

Notice he's only replacing out now others have voted him, despite the fact I've been tunneling on him for a while now in this game.

He's just angry that I've caught him again. Let's lynch this slot.

once you realize it is almost to late, you start to say it is because i was caught. was that the case when BlackVoid requited in basketball similarly, but you town read the slot.

that isn't the case here. here, you are saying i am scum for ragequiting

[UC Voyager]

wht the hell. now you are trying to rush my lynch.

Not at all. I like to play with things a while...before ANNIHILATION

complete fluff. all you have been doing is sheeping Luca for no apparent reason and now you are telling them to rush my hammer?

[UC Voyager]

I wanted to keep you around as whoever replaces you is obviously going to be unable/unwilling to answer for your shit.

How is this comparable to the BlackVoid thing? Unless you faked replacing out just so you could compare it to that?

ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING?!?!?!

I only came back because i knew it was early and i was overreacting. now you are dodging my question. AGAIN.

first, you don't answer my town meta. now you are not answering this one.

it is completely comparable. People were making cases on him then he left! you were making a huge case on me, and was willing to leave

now you realize you did something totally different from when you are town
VOTE: Luca Blight

[UC Voyager]

The difference is BlackVoid ragequitted based on the game stagnating, whereas you fake-quit because you were being scumread.

One is a towntell, one is a scumtell.

now it is a FAKE FUCKING RAGE QUIT



you are making the most FAKE cases on me.

[UC Voyager]

I'm dodging questions? How about you explain your insane read-progression on me.

You're just lying about the BlackVoid thing - he wasn't being suspected, he was pissed off about the game stagnating and people wanting a no-lynch.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I was scum casing him. Lucca also was. there was suspicious on him for a while.

either way, both reasons are rage quits. you fucking just proved to me that your scum for once.

[UC Voyager]

no. I could have sworn that is why he left.
now im a scum's wet dream come true
It is going to literally suck seeing UCV, VT, lynched day one.


i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

[UC Voyager]

in the meantime, i will reread basketball day three or four.

[UC Voyager]

i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

So explain it again to me what's got you so frustrated this game?

it is more than this game. it is a long story an di need to go to bed. maybe later i will get to this.

[UC Voyager]

no. I could have sworn that is why he left.

now im a scum's wet dream come true

It is going to literally suck seeing UCV, VT, lynched day one.


i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

You always copy my lines haha.

I am a big influence on UCV's Mafia development, for sure.

did you originally say that? i know someone else said it about another player, but im drawing a blank when, where and to who

[UC Voyager]

I think a ragequit is a ragequit, regardless of alignment.

thank you. my "rage quit" wasn't mean't to be alignment indicative. it was just me mad at the game.

[UC Voyager]

Luca, are you sure it isnt possible ucv misread shit? i wasnt there so i dont think i can really say, but if you think i have the room to i will investigate

I could have sworn that i was casing him, but then Lucca (who i happened to replace. lol) also started to case him, so he left. I will reread that later. I was not paying the most attention to him leaving. i just saw that people called it a rage quit, so i assumed that he was just upset over the case.

[UC Voyager]

Give me time. In actually really busy atm. I am also mobile

[UC Voyager]

im done with this game tbh. hammer me if you wish. I will not hold any grudges or blame you. again, i was screwed by joining a game with Luca if i was town or scum.

[UC Voyager]

town

[UC Voyager]

JUST FUCKING KIDDING> I WAS FUCKING SCUM.

but dude. Luca. i joined a game with you by accident. this will be the last game we are in. im tired of your steriotypes on me. you got to admit that your meta on me is flawed. your just lucky as shit.

[UC Voyager]

also, it was not a fake rage quit, i was really rage quiting, but realized i was just being dumb (not really)
another thing. i was not trying to buddy you. i was only town reading you because mos tof the other people were. i do not buddy as scum. definitely not someone who isn't conf town

[UC Voyager]

Dude. I really wish I was town though because you still would have gone for me. In fact. I take it back. I will keep joining games with you until I am town and you lynch me. THEN i will never play with you again.

[UC Voyager]

You. As I said in dead topic. If they didn't lynch cy today, scum would have won.

Cy is still a fucking bad ass hands down.

[UC Voyager]

No objections to scum thread