You need exactly 999,998 more in order for your vote to be counted.
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VOTE: Hongzi
Get off the hero that won the previous game for the town (as in the last game we played together, not the same setup)
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Not I.In post 8, TwoInAMillion wrote:Has anyone played this setup before?
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Only a scumster would finnesse on a vote.
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Try to lynch scum, of course!In post 12, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hi I never played this setup before. What's the best strategy for town?
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OK. I claim a Mason.In post 13, TwoInAMillion wrote:If you are mason, don't claim because scum have daykill and if they target a non-mason, they die.
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I think they start off asking some really weird stuff. maybe.In post 14, humaneatingmonkey wrote:So it's whoever gets caught piggybacking and not voting certain players lose? Because there are imaginary "blocs" that move against each other. What do you think the scum's first move is?
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
Partially bc your questions feel weird, but also bc you're eating me brother.
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Hmmmm....In post 15, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tips on how to differentiate VT play, mason play, and scum play? I'm guessing basic tells don't apply here because both key groups will be acting scummy.
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I did. No. Wait! I didn't fake it. I really am a mason with you. Did you not get the mod PM?In post 16, humaneatingmonkey wrote:It's beneficial for everyone to just fake being a mason, right? The masons would know who aren't masons, VT would draw a scumkill, and scum would have trouble looking for who the masons are.
*Goes to check in inbox*
OH SHIT! That was the MAFIA team list. My bad.
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Come now. Everybody claiming a Mason is either really a Mason or is faking. Those faking it are either Town or Scum. Scum know who they are Masons know who they are. So if we're talking about "faking" the claim Scum won't know it's fake for a fact and Masons won't be able to tell if it's a Town gambit or a Scum one.In post 22, CommKnight wrote: repeat to infinity
^ This is to everyone talking about faking being a mason. Congrats on making sure scum don't fall for it. Should give yourselves a pat on the back.
I suggest we lynch the firs person who claims a Mason because they maybe Scum & gambiting.
WAIT! Did I claim Mason? Scratch the lynch suggestion. Let's the SECOND person who claims instead.
Also, how good are you at shooting as SCUM?? We're counting on you.
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Probably is right. The exact probabilities are 4:5:4 (TM:VT:S). However those are the odds from an outsider's PoV. Depending on your own role it could be 100% (if you're also a Mason with me), 0% (if you're Scum with me), or 4:4:4 if you're just a VT.In post 36, rb wrote:A50 is probably town?
No need for applause.. really. I know I'm always impressive with those probabilities.
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Are we going political now?? Are you a Democrat or a Republican?In post 40, JunkoChan wrote:In post 38, Almost50 wrote:
Come now. Everybody claiming a Mason is either really a Mason or is faking. Those faking it are either Town or Scum. Scum know who they are Masons know who they are. So if we're talking about "faking" the claim Scum won't know it's fake for a fact and Masons won't be able to tell if it's a Town gambit or a Scum one.In post 22, CommKnight wrote: repeat to infinity
^ This is to everyone talking about faking being a mason. Congrats on making sure scum don't fall for it. Should give yourselves a pat on the back.
I suggest we lynch the firs person who claims a Mason because they maybe Scum & gambiting.
WAIT! Did I claim Mason? Scratch the lynch suggestion. Let's the SECOND person who claims instead.
Also, how good are you at shooting as SCUM?? We're counting on you.
???? ??? ?? ? ?? I think Imma policy lynch just to be safe.
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If you have to ask then I got the wrong message! *Scratches head*In post 45, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Why did you unvote here?In post 34, Almost50 wrote:
Hmmmm....In post 15, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tips on how to differentiate VT play, mason play, and scum play? I'm guessing basic tells don't apply here because both key groups will be acting scummy.
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And you are ...???In post 47, MawhrinSkel wrote:Blame Godel.
Btw in case Godel didn't make this public before-hand, this is a teaching hydra. I'm here to help Godel, so this is like 95% a Godel-game.
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That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.
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Let me tell you what I did understand (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong):In post 84, CommKnight wrote:Since you guys don't seem to understand the set-up fully and already fucked one plan completely, let's get this out onto the table.
There are NO night kills. Masons and Mafia cannot talk with each other. They may leave hints in some of their posts that the other members of their team will be more observant of.
We can actually force the mafia's hand. Pick one person to be hammer and pick two people to be at L1. If one or both are scum, they'll be forced to use their daykill attempt or completely risk being lynched without attempting one.
We ensure this method works because anyone who steps outside of two people to put at L1 is immediately lynched the next day, no waiting period, no time for scum to decide to attempt their daykills to kill masons, they get lynched for mishammering.
Any objections?
1- You want to run 2 random players up to L-1
2- You want to pick a random player to be the one to decide between the two
3- You think that will force the scum of the two (or both if they're both scum) to shoot
Hmmm... this looks like a good plan on face value, but I need to take my time thinking about the probabilities.. like what if both players we wagon are Town? And what if the hammerer we choose is Scum?
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OK, so if I had to do the picks myself... wagon Comm & Jz and have 2InAMill be hammerer.
Any objections?
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^That is judging by responses to Comm's plan, btw.
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That's why I suggested Comm to be one of the two wagons
Comm's plan had me PMing the mod for clarification, as Comm stating "they'll be forced to use their daykill attempt or completely risk being lynched without attempting one." had me wondering if I misunderstood and the goons each were 1-shot. (otherwise "risk being lynched without attempting one" makes no sense).
The response I got confirms any goon can shoot any number of times throughout the game (provided -of course- they're not shooting a VT), so Scum can strategically sacrifice 3 goons in order to identify the Masons and the one surviving goon could still win the game for them.
As such, the Comm plan becomes obviously flawed and is indeed an attempt to identify "who's willing to vote whom".
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Let's all wagon Comm and :force him to shoot or risk bla bla bla"
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Yeah, but he started with the assumption weIn post 95, MawhrinSkel wrote:@almost50 while I agree it was a stupid plan wouldn't the goons know that they aren't 1 shot from their role PM, and thus wouldn't make such a statement to me this makes me more likely to think comm is a townie. which he probably is more or less correct about it, so if one doesn't fully understand and just goes along with the plan on the false assumption each goon can only shoot once then it pays off.do not understand the setup
Also, you're overlooking the main point: "Let's wagon 2 players". <<THIS is where the trick is. Scum won't wagon one of theirs, and Mason won't wagon one of theirs either. Masons though won't be able to tell because they don't know the alignment of the player being wagoned unless they're a Mason, while the Scum will be able to tell.
Like, if X is being wagoned and they're a Mason. I could either vote them or not, and Masons won't be able to tell if I'm a VT SRing their buddy or Scum pushing for a mislynch. Any VT won't be able to tell my alignment either because they don't even know X's alignment). SCUM -however- will know X is "not scum", and can observe and assess the manner I approach the wagon, so if X gets lynched and flips a Mason they'd be able to tell if I was their Mason buddy or not.
You know what? I'll put it in the simplest was ever: Masons are a "town friendly 3P group". Unlike Scum they do NOT need to "bus" for Town!cred, so if I was Scum and a Mason gets lynched I'd probably be shooting outside of the wagon.
This does apply to every wagon, BUT Comm is suggesting we wagon TWO players simultaneoulsy, which gives Scum "double speed" on spotting everyone's voting behaviour.
If you still fail to see my point then it's most probably my problem. I'm not sure though how to present my case any clearer.
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Upon a reread of the game it looks like I missed responding to a couple of posts
If this had come from anyone else but Godel I'd probably be suspicious of them. However, I only played you once in that cannibals game so I'm giving you the benefit of doubt. Also, if you thought you needed a mentor to play the game you probably are sincere in expressing doubt here, so I guess I owe you and explanation:In post 95, MawhrinSkel wrote:@almost50 while I agree it was a stupid plan wouldn't the goons know that they aren't 1 shot from their role PM, and thus wouldn't make such a statement to me this makes me more likely to think comm is a townie
This was the prelude for Comm's proposition. Does it sound like he's expressing any doubt or lack of knowledge? Because it sounds to me that he is being overconfident I would have fell for it if I didn't know better.In post 84, CommKnight wrote:Since you guys don't seem to understand the set-up fully and already fucked one plan completely, let's get this out onto the table.
Does Comm fake confidence as Town when he's not sure? Absolutely not. What Comm would have done was contact the mod (just as I did) if he wasn't sure.
Again: Comm is suggesting he knows the setup better than mos/all of us, yet he made a basic mistake in his proposition than can only come from an ignorant Townie. Conclusion: Comm wasfakinga townslip, while simultaneously trying to advocate an anti-town agenda.
This is Scum!Comm (I know Town!Comm well enough)
I'm also gonna give some space, but I need to note this is "posturing" and doesn't look good for you, as it's self-evident I hard TR fitz for his overall posting, and especially for his #80 which had just preceded my quoted declaration. Do you really think it needed explanation?In post 98, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why?In post 83, Almost50 wrote:That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.
I liked you better when you were voting Comm, as TwoInAMillion's #87 was him actually refuting Comm's #84. It even started with:In post 115, Hongzi wrote:Fuck, I really meant TwoInAMillion when I said CommKnight.
Which implies TIAM doesn't approve of Comm's proposed plan (and if I understand correct you agree with fitz' #902 which you quoted when you voted Comm, and fitz was basically also arguing against Comm's plan)In post 87, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't see how this will force scum to do anything.
I don't like this post. It smells on so many levels. The best interpretation is "Lynch the Masons anyway."In post 116, humaneatingmonkey wrote:In post 113, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I just want to add that anyone who would claim mason = scum — and that we should politely lynch that player. There's no value in masons convincing anyone that they're masons.
You see, if a someone claims Mason the Masons will know if it's legit. However, chances are they won't be on the wagon to start with, so this is directed at the VTs in an attempt to plant the idea that a claim doesn't mean shit and they should go ahead and lynch anyway.
I will try to explain in details: X is a Mason being wagoned. His fellow Masons are trying to stay off the Wagon. If he gets lynched they're probably screwed, but without them there's a good chance he won't be lynched.
If he is pushed enough and put to L-1 he would claim, and it should convince the VTs to unvote, but he would be shot anyway.
HOWEVER, if X was a VT and claimed a Mason and was unvoted, Scum would be shooting him, and it would backfire on them..THIS is what humaneatingmonkey is trying to avoid
So, the post actually translates: "Lynch anyway, so we don't have to risk shooting them."
2 Scums down, 2 more to go.
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I'm of the opinion we should apply Comm's plan now, but under these simple conditions:
1- The two wagons would be on Comm & humaneatingmonkey
2- The hammerer is either fitz or rb (my top 2 TRs)
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You realize this is you confessing you're both incompetent and a quitter?? I didn't know that! Thanks for the info.In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have half a mind to quit this game already just because I already suspect almost everyone
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Why can't you try harder? I mean this IS the game of Mafia, right? You are clueless (if you're Town) and you try to figure things out, while Scum try to confuse you and lead you astray.In post 131, Gamma Emerald wrote:A50, It seems you missed the last post I made. I'm saying that I don't feel like I can properly organize the actual suspicion from me being cheesed off at certain things.
Also, I hate the very concept of joining a game then replacing out. It's a matter of respect to your fellow players as well as the mod IMHO. I'd understand if you had something unpredictable popping up IRL, or if you got into a quarrel with someone that it became toxic for the two of you to be in the same game.. I WOULD appreciate that, but replacing out because you're confused just doesn't qualify as a valid reason to quit a game you willingly signed up to and have us wait for a replacement.
So, regardless of you alignment I really hope you stay and try to play the game (and if you're Town I hope you help us win it too).
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@Comm: I'll sleep on your "disclaimer" for now (literally . I hope by the time I wake up that you would have done something that convinces me that you're Town and that it was indeed an honest mistake. And YES, I do mow you're dangerous to Scumif you're Town, and I assume you would also be dangerous to Town if you're Scum, so ... ??
OK. I', off to bed. See you in 10 hours (give or take). Let's see what you got by then.
@All: For anyone who doesn't know me, check either (or both) games Comm finished modding already (they're in his signature). I was Town in both, but I really wouldn't say that my Scum game is much different. I'm CRAZY either way, as you might conclude when you do read these 2 games)
P.S. Those who know me may skip reading these games if so they choose. It's probably nothing you haven't seen from me before.
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So far..
Town/Townish: havingfitz-rb-TwoInAMillion-Gamma Emerald-MawhrinSkel (in that order)
Null: JunkoChan-mozamis-wavemode-jzhenson93 (in no particular order)
Scummy: Hongzi-CommKnight-humaneatingmonkey (from least suspicious to most suspicious)
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Hongi rejoins the null block (up from slight scum). The reason I was Sring the slot was their previous/opening 5 posts had not much substance to them, so they looked like busy work. 162 though clearly shows he did a thorough read of the game and while it doesn't earn him a TR it -at least- erases the effect of the previous posts.
Moz is also getting better, so I'm considering moving him up one notch to become my 6th town lean, but I probably need to look at a previous game with him to refresh my memory about his play.
@Moz: I kept trying to remember where we played together last. It finally hit me that it was in that Persivul game where I lost my temper and subbed out for the very first time in my Mafia history (and so far the only one, so let's keep our fingers crossed it stays that way).
Anyway, I finally found my way to that game thread so I'm going to read it again sometime soon before I can decide on your slot, but feel free to keep posting as it should help me get a better read.
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@Com:
Here's a tricky one: How would you read your own play so far if you didn't know your alignment and assuming you were someone else reading your posts?
@Everyone voting Gamma:
I felt his "I want to replace out" bit was sincere and that he was really confused and frustrated as he couldn't form reads. Would it not have been more convenient for Scum!Gamma to fake some reads or something, rather than expressing his frustration in the manner he did?
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Yeah, I think I'm leaning towards Town!Moz. Town /=right though, and I don't want to push Gamma too hard before he had time to readjust and form some reads.In post 184, TwoInAMillion wrote:Mozamis looks more town now, i like his logic for the most part.
BtwSpoiler: (this has nothing to do with the game)
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Who says gaining attention is anti-town behaviour? It's commonly considered a town!tell, and at worst NAI (it is NAI for me bc it's NAI for me, if you get the pun)In post 186, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't think anyone who signs up for a mafia game should want to replace out within the first 10 pages, if at all, so it seems like he was trying to gain attention on purpose to me, which seems anti-town.
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Hmm...
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I'm disappointed in your response, Comm, but it's probably because you're town (I said PROBABLY, so I'm not saying you ARE).
You probably misunderstood my question though, as I wasn't trying to push you further or trick you into justifying my initial read on your slot. It was a mere attempt at getting you to analyze your own play and spot what was missing there for me to realize you're town if you really are.
Your response though feels like you are disappointed, which could very well come from Town!You having hoped to work with me, or could be Scum!You assuming I would have automatically TR'd you. I'm leaning the former right now, but not totally excluding the latter.
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@Everyone: Am I the only one suspecting HuEMo? I don't understand the TRs on him. I can maybe understand being Null on the slot (as in being confused and being able to decide), but I don't see what he gets TR'd so far. Can anyone help me?
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I am especially concerned about the "Lynch anyway regardless of the claim" concept, and even more so the response I got for pointing it out. "You're wrong and I'll tel you why tomorrow"? Why tomorrow? Why not on the spot?
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@Gamma: Let me know when you finally realize I'm Town here. Yeah, I know my Scum and Town games look quite the same to you, as you SR my play as either alignment, but I figure you've played enough games with me to have developed some gut sensor to make you at least lean either way.
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'Scum'? Or 'Scum!GAMMA'?? That's the difference. I can tell you when RC threatens to replace out and doesn't that's a Scum!tell of his, while if he does rage quit his slot is Town. But that is RC-specific. In my experience Gamma doesn't threaten to replace out as Scum, and besides he was not under any pressure when he expressed those feelings.
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Like, are you arguing for or against Comm now? I'm confused.In post 202, rb wrote:
This seems unreasonable tbh, he was gone less than 12 hours. Other people have had gaps that long in their posts, why is it only relevant for CK somehow?In post 147, TwoInAMillion wrote:
Could be true, but more than likely he's just being reactive and making an excuse.In post 146, rb wrote:
what's your updated opinion based on his explanation? (he works, he gap in activity isn't that long afaik)In post 130, TwoInAMillion wrote:Looking at the posting activity and don't like that Comm makes his proposal, only has 2 total posts so far, and has pretty much silent since people point out it isn't good.
VOTE: CommKnight
Also, where do you stand on Gamma?
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Who are you replying to?In post 206, TwoInAMillion wrote:In case you hadn't notice, this is early day 1 and reads may not be as strong as they would be, say, later in the game. We have to form our reads based on something.
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@HEM: Let's cool down and be civilized. This a game of Mafia, not a bar fight. Ok?
Now please explain to me the following like I'm 5:
In post 111, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm also suspicious of Gamma Emerald's hovering.
Now here's some reads:
INCLINED TO NOT LYNCH:
rb
MawhrinSkel
jzhenson93
INCLINED TO BE SUSPICIOUS AT:
Almost50
INCLINED TO WAGON:
TwoInAMillion
CommKnight
JunkoChan
INCLINED TO FLASHLYNCH:
havingfitz
NOT EVEN PART OF THE GAME YET
Hongzi
mozamis
wavemodeIn post 213, humaneatingmonkey wrote:VOTE: jzhenson93
I don't like how this guy is approaching this game at all. He's an alt account, right?
I've highlighted the object of my question. Exactly what has changed between you #111 & your #213 that prompted that reversal in you read on jz, taking into account he only posted the 2 posts to be found in the spoiler between your those two points.In post 214, humaneatingmonkey wrote:CommKnight town
TwoInAMillion town
MawhrinSkel town
mozamis town
Hongzi town
Almost50 probtown
wavemode null
rb nullscum
JunkoChan* probscum
jzhenson93 probscum
havingfitz probscum
Gamma Emerald probscum
I don't like how JunkoChan started the game.
I don't like how jzhenson93 have reads that are totally inorganic.
I don't like how havingfitz preaches masons claiming like it's inconsequential and without repercussions. Like it's a safe thing to do.
I don't like how Gamma Emerald is delaying to share with the game when he has posts that shows he's reacting organically. I think it's conflicting to what his mindset seems to be. I haven't seen this version Gamma Emerald yet so I'm suspicious about it.
rb is not rb this game.
Almost50 seems honest but sometimes it feels like a facade.
Spoiler: Show me the light, bro!
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Thank you.
I think I feel a little bot better about HEM right now. Not by much, but enough to move on.
Ironically, the next subject on my list IS jz, so I'ma put my vote on there and hope to get something fruitful out of it. If not, I'm likely to turn on my turbo-lynching engines on in order to see a flip and be able to reevaluate my reads.
VOTE: jzhenson93
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They're probably my Scum partners and are doing it as a payback for your vote on me.
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That's an IF, and I know it to be a false proposition. The problem though is if one of them flips Scum before I flip.In post 240, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Keep those scum jokes coming, A50. If you flip scum, you'll be pissing your buddies off.
If anyone wants to know, I prefer MONKEY over HEM.
Btw, I was focused on asking you about the jz read I forgot to comment on the "everybody should claim VT bit".
You see, Scum will do it too, and then anyone claiming WILL be lynched anyway, so it's no different than you claiming whoever claimed Mason should be lynched. Once someone is lynched they will flip and we will know if they were Masons regardless, so the associatives point is moot.
The advantage of claiming Mason upon your lynch though is that the Masons will know if it's true or false, so anyone "faking" Mason should be lynched. It doesn't have to be on the spot though. Masons can sill unvote and pretend to be clueless and then fins a way to discredit the claim later on. The advantage they get here is to let a known Scum live longer for associatives with their fellow Scum.
In short, Masons should claim if put @L-1 and intent was stated. It doesn't matter if they get shot by then. because if they don't they will be lynched anyway.
Vts should claim VTs and it's up to everyone to evaluate the claim. They're likely to still get lynched too. but then everyone else was truly clueless about their alignment so no associatives there.
Scum will have to choose between claiming VT and still getting lynched or claiming Masons and confirming themselves to the true Masons.
We're back to the basics. "Town have no reason to lie" applies in this game more than usual.
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He's a naughty child who never eats his vegetables nor drinks his milk, that's why!In post 249, Gamma Emerald wrote:why isn't 2iam stronger?
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The question wasn't directed at me though!
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Sorry if that's how it felt. I was only trying to make the game more enjoyable for everyone. I'll back off now, but I reserve the right to respond to everyone else's posts in any manner I deem fit.In post 253, Gamma Emerald wrote:It feels like you're trying to discredit my attempts to interrogate people.
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I know you didn't ask me, but I want to answer this (in a serious manner) so here's how I see it:In post 258, Hongzi wrote:Who's the scum in it?
If Gamma flips Town I'd be most suspicious of jz, then you. I'm leaning Town on Maz and 2IAM and I'm fairly confident fitz is Town.
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@Gamma: Well, please do take a look at jz asap, bc that's where I rally want to look now. If it helps, I've quoted everything he had to say thus far in the following spoiler:
Spoiler: All 6 posts jz made so far
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Well, I could be wrong of course, as I'm well known to peg one scum and hard defend another on D1 but I think Gamma is Town.
However, here are the last 2 games I played with him:
Town!Gamma
Scum!Gamma
(Actually I was the MOD on the 2nd one, not a player)
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ROTFL!
Comm's #282 post he could have ever made, but -unfortunately- I don' think anyone else will see what I see even if I tried to explain.
OK, Comm. You're Town (although if you checked my latest read list in .. oh, shit! I tried to ISO myself to find my updated read list and found that I didn't post one!)
Ok, never mind.. if you check my #191 where I unvoted you, I clearly said at the bottom that I was already leaning Town on you judging by your #190. (But thanks for the reassurance. I really appreciate it).
On other news:
I can see Gamma flipping Scum, but it's only associative (me and my crazy conspiracy theory stuff).
The latest jz move could be attributed to having voted Gamma for distancing and then getting stick o the wagon as it gained momentum. As soon as it started to lose momentun and a wagon was starting to form on jz himself he abandoned the Gamma wagon and started a new one on Junko
So if (erm.. when!) jz flips red I'd be more suspicious of Gamma, but only when jz does flip red. If Gamma flips red also then I'd be willing to call Junko Town (again, ONLY after both jz & Gamma flip red).
HOWEVER, in the unfortunate event of jz flipping Town it means jack shot in terms of me changing reads on most anyone else.
Finally, before I forget again.. here's my latest read list (current as of NOW)
Town: havingfitz-CommKnight-rb-TwoInAMillion-mozamis
Null-Town: Gamma Emerald-JunkoChan
Mixed zone: MawhrinSkel-Hongzi-humaneatingmonkey
Need more or you're expendable: wavemode
Scum: jzhenson93
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@Comm: You said to work together, so why don't you vote with me for now? We need to compare our readlists (We seem to agree on Gamma, but that's about the only slot I know we agree on).In post 300, CommKnight wrote:VOTE: Junko
I believe I've actually been able to narrow the scum pool down to 6 players already. Pending on Junko's flip I'll push one at a time.
@Everyone else:I guess I do owe you an explanation. Comm IS indeed very good with the Vig role, and we do work together very well too. We have never been Scum in games we played together. (Those are facts. I could even try to ink you with a Dayless game we played where he was he Vig and I had virtually no powers, yet we somehow managed to peg and shoot down the whole Scum team. If you have easy access to that game, Comm, please link)
What I got from Comm's tone was that he got disappointed I SR'd him as he was looking forward to playing with me (and I meanwith, not just in the same game). You think that could be WIFOM and he is actually trying some reverse psychology on me? Fine.
P-edit: Woohoo! I see we lynch a Scumster already! Or did they just try to shoot a VT? I'll go read.
The thing is I feel his last plea could not have come from Scum him. Why? Because he is a combative player, and is not going H2H with someone. He is also competitive enough to know it will get him even more SR'd by those who don't know him, and Scum!Comm naturally would not want to be SR'd by a majority, so while you may think he was trying to buddy me I'd say he is better than this and he could've stayed in my null zone for now and worked on the Scum win-con still.
BUT, the fact Comm is competitive, and knows that I know that he can be quite an asset to Town, he wanted to be sure we worked together to ensure maximum revenue from our collective play.
Feel free to take my explanation or leave it, but I really really would have expected Comm to be more confrontational and a bit more aggressive towards me if he was Scum here. After all, he knows well I'm not quite the town leader type of player, meaning I cannot force-lynch a player on my own (something the likes of Wisdom, RC, Mastina and Titus seem to know well how to do).
N.B. Sorry for being too talkative. I would have put in less words if I felt they could transmit my exact thoughts still.
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OH! SO Scum already know someone's a VT. They have 8 more to sort out. << Keep that in mind for later reference
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*Sigh*
I could go against my meta-read on Gamma now, as jz did flip Scum. I pointed out his hop off the Gamma train as soon as he had a chance to do it, and Gamma was still the leading wagon (counter wagon to jz's own) at the time. He could have voted either Comm or Monkey, but he opted to start a new wagon on Junko. Hmmmm... I will sleep on this for a while.
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Actually, I don't think it makes much sense to do an obvious bus at that point. Junko remains in he null-Town zone. Both Monkey & Hongzi also upgraded to null-Town zone for being on jz at the time.
Updated read list:
Town: havingfitz-CommKnight-rb-TwoInAMillion-mozamis-
Null-Town: JunkoChan-humaneatingmonkey-Hongzi-
Mixed zone: MawhrinSkel-Gamma Emerald-
Need more or you're expendable: wavemode
But now I'm paranoid I'm TRing a Scumster
P-edit: You had MawhrinSkel already voting you and Comm had rb on him. Those were the only two viable (read: existing) wagon aside from jz's own and Gamma's (the one he was hopping off).
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It's also worth noting Comm was the 2nd vote on Junko just before jz flipped. It's quite unlikely that 2 scums will form a wagon on their own. It happens, but is fairly rare. Usually the Scum will wait for a Townie or two to join that wagon before they hop on it on 3rd/4th slot.
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Consider my vote to be there on spirit. I just feel this is too easy to be true, but I can't really argue against it, so I'll wait for others thoughts.In post 326, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Everybody needs to vote Gamma now.
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Actually, I CAN argue for Town!Gamma still. I 'unvote in spirit'
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Time to share some reads, my friend. Please share the old ones and how the jz flip affected them.In post 300, CommKnight wrote:I believe I've actually been able to narrow the scum pool down to 6 players already. Pending on Junko's flip I'll push one at a time.
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@wavemode: An updated readlist from you would also be nice. Thanks.
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I need more from you too, Godel. Don't be afraid to make mistakes. We all did (and still do). It's how you learn to play, my friend.In post 322, MawhrinSkel wrote:my vote was an RVS one not sure how valid of a wagon that really was.
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No. Gamma's Town. Think about it and I'm sure you will get to the same conclusion. I don't want to be explicit about it, but hey.. it's obvious enough!In post 342, mozamis wrote:@ Almost, come on your town, vote for Gamma.
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After having though about it and considered all possibilities I've come to the conclusion Gamma should be the strongest TR on my list, and especially so when Scum don't have daychat.
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