Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[Creature]

Continue playing for now.

I need to be less tired to play.

[Creature]

Are you asking me?

[Creature]

No I'm asking Jay, sorry. Take your time, just know there's a wagon on you lol

Can't take it seriously.

[Creature]

Sure let's try this:

VOTE: northsidegal

[Creature]

Creature is aware of his meta. He posts about it all over his wiki.

NSG is also aware of her meta. We've had multiple conversations about it in between games. She even linked me to her scumposting and townposting and we talked about the differences.

Do you think this makes Creature and NSG unreadable by meta?

My wiki is overly outdated. Did you know?

[Creature]

@Creats: Dude that doesn't change my point, it just shows that you were hyperaware of your meta in 2016.

I can be hyperaware of my meta but doesn't mean I can easily change it.

[Creature]

I don't understand what the current discussion is.

Hopefully we're not discussing meta ideals.

[Creature]

Can someone speak with me?

[Creature]

Anen: Slight townlean. I like how he seems gamesolvy-ish and looks like he is trying to help.

???

[Creature]

{Jay, Anen, Pin}{math, Gamma, Creature}{mutant, NSG}{Luca, JMO, Almost}

Too many scum are gonna spoil the stew
Too many nullss are gonna spoil the stew

[Creature]

Creature is scum. But did you really need me to tell you that? This is hilariously transparently scum Creature. We're not speedlynching him, but if he's not today's lynch, he should be tonight's vig.

-_-

Hopefully you don't think two busy days mean I'm scum.

[Creature]

Creature, none of your ISO is actually game-relevant so far except your one vote.

What I'm doing rn is game-relevant.

[Creature]

The number of boring players look large here.

[Creature]

pinturicchio feels fake.

[Creature]

Have you ever bussed (hardbussing or softbussing) on D1 as scum before? Gonna just trust you on this one.

Sometimes I've ended the day with my vote on scum, though I never make a real attempt to push any lynch tbh, I just lay my vote.

[Creature]

Creature, how do you feel with Emperor Dino basically saying he's putting you and North in gladatorial combat to see who'll get Lynched?

I don't oppose an NSG lynch, but I'm not gladiating NSG lol.

What are the odds, in your opinion, of you beating the current title holder Northsidegal? Do you think you can be the next Champion?

What title?

[Creature]

pinturicchio feels fake.

Why?

He looks like one of these newbscum that quote a bunch of posts and just answers them.

[Creature]

{Jay, Anen, Pin}{math, Gamma, Creature}{mutant, NSG}{Luca, JMO, Almost}

Too many scum are gonna spoil the stew
Too many nullss are gonna spoil the stew

I CHANNEL THE POWER OF RANMARU AND CALL THIS A SCUM POST
VOTE: Creature

[Creature]

You don't need to activity tell me, but you don't need to call me scum all the time either.

[Creature]

Why is Aneninen town?

[Creature]

It's gonna be harder to clear myself if we settle that the lynch should be either NSG or me.

[Creature]

There's no gladiate, so anyone can be lynched rn.

[Creature]

specially if it's someone opportunistically hopping on me.

[Creature]

It means you are either town who genuinely thinks this could be Creature's scum game or you are scum trying to get us to mislynch.

Totally not fence-sitty.

[Creature]

It's gonna be harder to clear myself if we settle that the lynch should be either NSG or me.

What

I won't be able to sort anyone else.

[Creature]

It's gonna be harder to clear myself if we settle that the lynch should be either NSG or me.

What

I won't be able to sort anyone else.

How?

Non-NSG scum: Cool we can lay back
Non-NSG scum #2: Oh look, Creature thinks we're scum
Non-NSG scum: Still gonna lay back, no one will take him seriously anyway

[Creature]

What do you think about Almost50?

[Creature]

also literally everyone has been active and up to date except creature/NSG

Not really.

[Creature]

I'm townhunting first; that way I can do a better PoE. But if you pressure me, I'm scumleaning jmo16mla and scumreading Mutant, mostly because of this:

I wouldn't say my playstyle is scummy, just that I don't conform to site (or mafia in general) meta. I usually look more and more townie the further into a game I live.

I remember reading this a couple of times before. From scum.

That post didn't ping me until Aneninen pointed it out. It seems a really awkward explanation of why we could scumread him.

The scumlean on jmo16mla is because his first interactions with you, but it was just a gut read; I'll read that again if you want a better explanation!

Okay, I saw this from pintu.

[Creature]

Deep scum in MD, Jay and Luca.

Maybe scum in Anen and A50.

Scum in NSG.

Rest are town or I didn't notice were playing.

[Creature]

Pinturicchio
Gamma Emerald
TheGoldenParadox
jmo16mla
mutantdevle

Okay, some of these are meh and need to do more.

[Creature]

Not gonna accept being vigged.

[Creature]

TGP was my most meh read.

[Creature]

We lynch NSG, I don't get vigged and then I see what we can do tomorrow.

[Creature]

Not gonna accept being vigged.

Then accept being lynched

Not accepting any.

[Creature]

I sorta grew used to MU and that might've affected my MS townplay.

[Creature]

Sorry, internet disconnected.

[Creature]

So really everybody's gonna be like "lynch or vig creature" regardless of what I say?

[Creature]

Cool! Aneninen's reads are scummy.

[Creature]

Are you getting paranoid that you're going to be vigged?

There are plenty of players requesting a vig on me.

[Creature]

you're not much of a loss if you do get vigged and you are town though.

???

[Creature]

Okay, if you think I'm insignificant rn...

[Creature]

NSG is likely scum, but likely getting bussed so no one holds a credibility for pushing her anyway.

[Creature]

I think Aneninen could very well be the second scum.

[Creature]

I'm decently confident you're town, Gamma is town, jmo16mla is town.

TheGoldenParadox and Pinturicchio I townlean on but still need to do more.

[Creature]

I am basically left with Almost50, Jaydragon, Luca Blight and Mathdino. These are the four hardest reads.

Though, out of these, I'm more fine townreading Almost50.

[Creature]

She feels disconnected from this game.

[Creature]

creature i guarantee you're not gonna see this as bussing when i drop where my scumread is coming from

Okay

[Creature]

Still you're gonna have to help me find scum between Jay and Luca.

[Creature]

Luca Blight

I'm townhunting first; that way I can do a better PoE. But if you pressure me, I'm scumleaning jmo16mla and scumreading Mutant, mostly because of this:

I wouldn't say my playstyle is scummy, just that I don't conform to site (or mafia in general) meta. I usually look more and more townie the further into a game I live.

I remember reading this a couple of times before. From scum.

That post didn't ping me until Aneninen pointed it out. It seems a really awkward explanation of why we could scumread him.

The scumlean on jmo16mla is because his first interactions with you, but it was just a gut read; I'll read that again if you want a better explanation!

Okay, I saw this from pintu.

[Creature]

VOTE: Aneninen

[Creature]

How's the heart beating?

[Creature]

Almost50, are you here?

[Creature]

or like anyone, though, I prefer someone I'm not townreading.

[Creature]

maybe someone more readable, but whatever.

[Creature]

Still would rather not lynch Gamma, atleast not today.

[Creature]

He uses spoilers?

[Creature]

Damn when I want to do stuff but I remember the wagon I'm in is good.

[Creature]

What about mutantdevle?

[Creature]

No, just asking you about mutantdevle.

[Creature]

lean scum

JayDragonKing

(too much fluff, too little content)
Almost50 (too little content but that doesn't match the town-meta I know.)
Gamma (little content but see what I brought up)
Jmo16Mla (see my posts, nothing big but plenty of concerning bits.)

scum

Northsidegal

(explained above.)

If Anen is bus-happy, then most likely the bolded.

[Creature]

lol when you read someone's "rage post" with a bored voice tone while picturing someone with a bored face writing it. Yet you don't know if you should stand away or push further.

[Creature]

The only person who has acutally POSTED a case about me was Gamma. I gave answers. Isn't it strange that he's not on my wagon?

Still, that's interesting.

[Creature]

Sorta read Anen's "rage post" almost entirely.

Gonna see where I can follow.

[Creature]

Spoiler: Compare this from Mutant's Town game:

Hey, so here are my reads that nobody asked for:

Yuria - Slightly scummy in my opinion. They only have 2 posts and they avoided a question with another question. Whilst this stuff isn't really a scum tell overall they don't seem that useful to the town so I would be up for lynching them since we don't know much day 1.
Ectomancer - Whilst I'm split on the tell of their tactic to force wagons on us, they seem fairly reasonable and like someone who is willing to at least contribute a lot. So at the moment, I think they are worth keeping around.
IceGuy - I don't really get many vibes from him of either alignment. I don't really see why there are votes against him.
DeasVail - He seems very friendly. To the point where I would derp clear him as town. Though this is mafia, so a nice guy approach might just be a facade.
Transcend - His posts consist of a whole lot of nothing and some of them are somewhat misleading. The only credit I could give them right now is that they are active. But the slight scumminess in the lack of sense that they are writing means I would be comfortable lynching them at this stage.
Fishythefish - I trust the fishy for now. I would like to see him post a little more though as I feel like he has more to offer than what we've seen so far.
Elmo TeH AzN - Her posts are short and brief which isn't too useful. I don't think there is anything scummy about her, but due to her lack of meaningful contribution, I would be willing to lynch them day 1.
Luca Blight - Another player that seems reasonable in what they are saying. I feel like he has a way of seeing wider logic which I think is useful late game.
kelbris - I like his logic and how he offers his opinion into the discussion. He is a seemingly useful player that I would not be comfortable lynching day 1.
sheepsaysmeep - He seems rather unnoticeable to me. Before isolating his posts I only thought he had 1. Other than that they seem okay though.
havingfitz - I don't like how he passively suggested Transcend revealed being the IC so early in the game. Pretty scummy if you ask me. Whether or not they are indeed mafia I think this kind of bad thinking wouldn't be helpful to town in the long run so I'd be willing to lynch them day 1. Despite this, they do seem like they would be helpful.
Lil Uzi Vert - He has not been helpful in anyway whatsoever. Hist posts are literally just an introduction, votes, and a single emoji. Based on how I vote on day 1 lynches, which if you haven't noticed is more based on usefulness than it is scum tells, he is the person I would be most prepared to lynch.

mutantdevle - He seems like an utter noob which can get annoying. Not sure what to make of this guy.

davesaz - They haven't spoken in a long time. I'd like to see them speak more.




Btw my attitude towards day 1 lynches is, since we don't know much, I prefer to lynch based on how useful I think the players will be. The only time I really move away from this is if either someone makes a proper slip and we can actually be fairly confident that they are actually scum or the pressures of time means that I'd have to vote for somone I am not really okay with lynching but still think it is worth losing them in order to not end the day in a no lynch.

Spoiler: To his reads list in this game:

Reads list here, if anyone wants me to explain any of them then feel free to ask:

Town

Mathdino

Town lean

JaydragonKing
Aneninen
TheGoldenParadox

Null

Almost50
Pinturicchio
jmo16mla

Scum lean

Luca Blight
northsidegal
Creature

Scum

Gamma Emerald


VOTE: Creature
I was going to vote Gamma here but then Math posted 397. Slightly cautious that Math is scum trying to guide us but I don't believe that based on my town read and I'm sure if those pings are true then there'd be something to it later in the game.

Also note the first one is earlier in the game than the one he posted this game - too early for such a reads list really, but just look at the curiosity and enthusiasm in that post as well as his comfortable tone.

Sorry, not a helpful case D:

[Creature]

I guess you made me townread mutant more though lol.

[Creature]

so why are A50 and creature both wrong about aneninen?

tbh Aneninen is someone I consider hard-to-read because I could be underestimating him too much.

[Creature]

Spoiler: Compare this from Mutant's Town game:

Hey, so here are my reads that nobody asked for:

Yuria - Slightly scummy in my opinion. They only have 2 posts and they avoided a question with another question. Whilst this stuff isn't really a scum tell overall they don't seem that useful to the town so I would be up for lynching them since we don't know much day 1.
Ectomancer - Whilst I'm split on the tell of their tactic to force wagons on us, they seem fairly reasonable and like someone who is willing to at least contribute a lot. So at the moment, I think they are worth keeping around.
IceGuy - I don't really get many vibes from him of either alignment. I don't really see why there are votes against him.
DeasVail - He seems very friendly. To the point where I would derp clear him as town. Though this is mafia, so a nice guy approach might just be a facade.
Transcend - His posts consist of a whole lot of nothing and some of them are somewhat misleading. The only credit I could give them right now is that they are active. But the slight scumminess in the lack of sense that they are writing means I would be comfortable lynching them at this stage.
Fishythefish - I trust the fishy for now. I would like to see him post a little more though as I feel like he has more to offer than what we've seen so far.
Elmo TeH AzN - Her posts are short and brief which isn't too useful. I don't think there is anything scummy about her, but due to her lack of meaningful contribution, I would be willing to lynch them day 1.
Luca Blight - Another player that seems reasonable in what they are saying. I feel like he has a way of seeing wider logic which I think is useful late game.
kelbris - I like his logic and how he offers his opinion into the discussion. He is a seemingly useful player that I would not be comfortable lynching day 1.
sheepsaysmeep - He seems rather unnoticeable to me. Before isolating his posts I only thought he had 1. Other than that they seem okay though.
havingfitz - I don't like how he passively suggested Transcend revealed being the IC so early in the game. Pretty scummy if you ask me. Whether or not they are indeed mafia I think this kind of bad thinking wouldn't be helpful to town in the long run so I'd be willing to lynch them day 1. Despite this, they do seem like they would be helpful.
Lil Uzi Vert - He has not been helpful in anyway whatsoever. Hist posts are literally just an introduction, votes, and a single emoji. Based on how I vote on day 1 lynches, which if you haven't noticed is more based on usefulness than it is scum tells, he is the person I would be most prepared to lynch.

mutantdevle - He seems like an utter noob which can get annoying. Not sure what to make of this guy.

davesaz - They haven't spoken in a long time. I'd like to see them speak more.




Btw my attitude towards day 1 lynches is, since we don't know much, I prefer to lynch based on how useful I think the players will be. The only time I really move away from this is if either someone makes a proper slip and we can actually be fairly confident that they are actually scum or the pressures of time means that I'd have to vote for somone I am not really okay with lynching but still think it is worth losing them in order to not end the day in a no lynch.

Spoiler: To his reads list in this game:

Reads list here, if anyone wants me to explain any of them then feel free to ask:

Town

Mathdino

Town lean

JaydragonKing
Aneninen
TheGoldenParadox

Null

Almost50
Pinturicchio
jmo16mla

Scum lean

Luca Blight
northsidegal
Creature

Scum

Gamma Emerald


VOTE: Creature
I was going to vote Gamma here but then Math posted 397. Slightly cautious that Math is scum trying to guide us but I don't believe that based on my town read and I'm sure if those pings are true then there'd be something to it later in the game.

Also note the first one is earlier in the game than the one he posted this game - too early for such a reads list really, but just look at the curiosity and enthusiasm in that post as well as his comfortable tone.

Yeah, I don't do that anymore.

Comparing my play to the one I played with you is probably the least accurate representation of me. That was the first game I had ever played where everyone present was there to take the game seriously and I just so happened to get a PR (admittedly I was a bad innocent child getting town read so much). On my previous forum you were expected to have strong reads by page 3 or you'd get called scum so that's why that was so early. I probably was more enthusiastic for that game since I could put a lot more time into it then. I'm bogged down by college work now as I have been for my last few games.

Do you think it's scummy for someone to go on the first games you've ever played to push a bad meta case on you?

[Creature]

@pintu: My push on NSG was worthless. It was very explicitly a reaction test. If NSG is town, scum would just know that she's town and would probably come out as town under pressure. Not a wagon they want to be found on. Aneninen is not so easily sortable by pressure.

And yeah, I do think scum jumped on the Gamma wagon at some point. And yeah, I do know I'm one of those votes.

Are you scumreading me, or pointing out that I should be scumreading myself here?

I was pointing out that, by your logic, it would be more reasonable to go for someone who jumped on a wagon than someone whose wagon didn't get momentum because "scum didn't want to vote him". Aneni's case (as pointed out by Aneni himself) has no explanation at all, why would town jump there? Gamma's case, on the other hand, had some good arguments so it would be easier to jump there for scum. I'm not saying you are one of those scums; I'm actually thinking mutant could be scum on that jump and he had to build his case against him AFTER jumping and not BEFORE jumping. BUT, on my point of view, I can't get much information from that, as I am still scumleaning Gamma (not scumreading any more, tho).
So, my point is: could it be a better wagon than Aneni's wagon right now? What is it about Creature and A50 that you trust them so much? If you think scum jumped on the Gamma wagon, shouldn't a mutant wagon have more sense at this point?

Ugh the genericness.

I really need to review Pinturicchio.

[Creature]

I'd like an updated readslist from Mutant soon.

As per all my reads lists, if you want any 1 read explained then you just have to ask.

Town:

MathDino

-0

Town Lean:

TheGoldenParadox

-0

Pinturicchio

^1

Creature

^2

Null:

jmo16mla

-0

Luca Blight

^1

northsidegal

^1

Scum Lean:

JaydragonKing

v2

Aneninen

v2

Scum:

Gamma Emerald

-0

I'd actually just like to explain my Jay read in particular. Right now they feel really forgettable. I had to ISO Jay just to see what they had even been saying over the last few pages and, honestly, 582 I feel is the last time they made a decent post. Since then it's been pure fluff and minor input. I know Jay to be quite fluffy which is why I paid no attention to it previously but now that I've realised there is barely any contribution in between the fluff which feels like Jay is really disengaged and has nothing to contribute.

What do you think about Anen's "rage post"?

[Creature]

towngames are more a playground to me

Hence why being town is funny while being scum isn't.

[Creature]

anyway do you not feel the same way about gamma?

I guess I'm townreading Gamma most because of his activity rn.

[Creature]

Not sure if he hates scum.

[Creature]

I guess I've been using that tell lately even though some time before it was unreliable.

[Creature]

(Gamma by shitty D1 wagonomics)

???

[Creature]

Checking VC 1.06 and VC 1.07, Pinturicchio is the only I don't townread that was on Gamma.

[Creature]

Ugh the genericness.

Maybe it's my bad english, but what do you mean by this about my post?

The questions you asked felt pretty common.

[Creature]

Let's get spicy:

VOTE: jmo16mla

[Creature]

Wait, Keysor Soze is playing?

[Creature]

Uh sure, Jay can die.

[Creature]

I prefer pintu lynch over Anen.

[Creature]

I think mutant is town, but whatever.

[Creature]

Damn, I wasn't feeling well to play the game today.

[Creature]

mutantdevle(3): Aneninen, Gamma, Jay

Looks like a scum counterwagon.