I thought you were aiming for it to clear yourself in Cedrick's eyes. How are you worried about it?In post 1452, Tchill13 wrote:gamma i need to know why me being worried about an ausuka town flip is your tipping point to vote me.
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In post 1459, Tchill13 wrote:Katherine and ausuka BOTH took neutral stances on Implosion day 1 and BOTH were on the Luca wagon.
pretty important imo. I'm getting pretty close to wanting to see a lynch there.In post 1460, Tchill13 wrote:they were also BOTH right about KTS...
This is actually a good chain of logic to point to Ausuka/Katherine, not TRing you yet but I like the thought processIn post 1461, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: katherine
Only leaned more so to this than Ausuka due to activity. I think i've laid out a legitimate case for both though.
Gamma i need to know why an Ausuka town flip being my concern was what pushed you to vote me.
I'll answer any other questions people want to ask me before my lynch is pushed through hopefully.
I've tried my best to explain my play, take stances on each player and leave with at least a decent case on someone. MY day 1 play is geared towards the fact it's hard to lynch scum day 1. So, as amusing as it is, when i'm a part of a town that lynches scum day 1 i come out looking scummy af. First time it's happened i do believe.
I understand if i need to be lynched because i'll be a part of the majority of players lynch pool from now till lylo.<Embrace The Void>
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Why would she kill him in that case? Now if he kept flipping his read I'd understand completely, I played a game where House kept flipping his read on me to test if I was scum because he believed if I was I'd kill him to get the wild card out of the game.In post 1513, Hopkirk wrote:He had you as a townread, but not a hard one. He acknowledged you could be a wolf. He had you as scum then flipped to a townread (based on conditions at that point). That could easily have switched back after the Implosion flip. I'm concerned that's the case.<Embrace The Void>
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I don't SR you for saying you can 100% read me, that was only once I recall (Mini 1850), in further instances where you say that I generally call out instances where you were wrong, this time I chose not to cos a) didn't want to beat a dead horse, b) I felt like me having to explain that would only do harm to myself, and c) I felt like it would be nice to be mutual townreads for once because I had been townreading you before itIn post 1524, MariaR wrote:Like the only thing that gamma has done that is ping worthy is him not calling me out for saying "I can read him 100%" (he normally srs me for that) but besides that he's still in top tier town.
I don't get your gamma sr at all or why a gamma/havo team makes sense to you
Pedit: Yeah Luca's "role" is more then likely scum
still think he's fake claiming
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Oh yeah the implosion/kts fight was a thingIn post 1542, Cedrick wrote:As soon as kts calls tchill scum instead of town
Discrediting town for his read change on his buddy?In post 266, implosion wrote:kts is also starting to sound like he's making shit up in a scummy way. His flip on tchill is really odd and makes more sense from scum than from town i think.
Kts also said tchill meta points to tchill scum. Idk what that means exactly but clearly he saw something<Embrace The Void>
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smhIn post 1551, Tchill13 wrote:In post 773, Killthestory wrote:vig shoot implosion
so mafia knew there was probably a vig in the game im assuming. (this would mean luca is probably scum wouldn't it?)In post 783, Killthestory wrote:
this is my cover for when i shoot implosionIn post 773, Killthestory wrote:vig shoot implosion
and this is probably why KTS was NK'd over Mumble, Luca or katherine.
do you not understand sarcasm? also marginal scumpoints for taking that seriously cos that means as scum you'd have thought it a good kill
And here's reasons why at least some of the people rattled of as n1 kill choices are not feasible
Mumble: mafia had a strongman meaning some sort of town protective. With them losing their strongman d1 they could reasonably assume muble was being protected n1 and would be shooting else where.
Katherine: was very inactive and as such no threat to scum
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that's not a good thing to announceIn post 1572, MariaR wrote:
I would fake claim that if I was a cop or some shitIn post 1569, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don't SR you for saying you can 100% read me, that was only once I recall (Mini 1850), in further instances where you say that I generally call out instances where you were wrong, this time I chose not to cos a) didn't want to beat a dead horse, b) I felt like me having to explain that would only do harm to myself, and c) I felt like it would be nice to be mutual townreads for once because I had been townreading you before itIn post 1524, MariaR wrote:Like the only thing that gamma has done that is ping worthy is him not calling me out for saying "I can read him 100%" (he normally srs me for that) but besides that he's still in top tier town.
I don't get your gamma sr at all or why a gamma/havo team makes sense to you
Pedit: Yeah Luca's "role" is more then likely scum
still think he's fake claiming
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Why are you arguing to lynch yourselfIn post 1588, MariaR wrote:Can we lynch in me and Aus? Leave Kath/Tchi out of it ty<Embrace The Void>
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Creature pls
I'm still thinking he's town but bro you need to come back if you're gonna come back, I want thoughts on current events<Embrace The Void>
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Anyone you do have sorted?In post 1603, Creature wrote:idk, players are hard to sort.<Embrace The Void>
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Aren't you forgetting someone...In post 1608, Creature wrote:Still I don't know who else plays MU other than Luca, Havo, Cedrick and me.<Embrace The Void>
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OK thought they might be someone I knew by another nameIn post 1616, Creature wrote:
Oh right.In post 1613, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Aren't you forgetting someone...In post 1608, Creature wrote:Still I don't know who else plays MU other than Luca, Havo, Cedrick and me.
Luca Blight.In post 1614, Gamma Emerald wrote:Who is Luca on MU btw
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You play there?In post 1620, MariaR wrote:mu is fun from time to time<Embrace The Void>
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Nope. He's been giving too many original thoughts to be scum at this point.In post 1623, Tchill13 wrote:
so no thoughts on events since your last post?In post 1603, Creature wrote:idk, players are hard to sort.
Is creature lock scum since he got prodded now?<Embrace The Void>
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She doesn't? She also townreads me off of metaIn post 1656, Cedrick wrote:Maria. Earlier you said you don’t like meta yet you admit your town read on tchill is meta based. So why if you hate it are you using it here?<Embrace The Void>
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I think she hates people trying to readIn post 1679, Cedrick wrote:
She said earlier this game she hates meta so what do you mean she doesn’t?In post 1676, Gamma Emerald wrote:
She doesn't? She also townreads me off of metaIn post 1656, Cedrick wrote:Maria. Earlier you said you don’t like meta yet you admit your town read on tchill is meta based. So why if you hate it are you using it here?<Embrace The Void>
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Mhm this is actually some strong ass logic and I'd love to hear Maria's responseIn post 1697, Tchill13 wrote:a few of us have 200+ post... Katherine has 12 but we ABSOLUTELY can't scum read him. laughable.
Look if im scum i want my slot and katherine in here till lylo. Thats for sure.
So look at who's advocating against those lynches and ask yourself why that's town motivated.<Embrace The Void>
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Not really an overreaction, why do you say that?In post 1711, Tchill13 wrote:
this is hardly a case and um... quite the overreaction.In post 1521, MariaR wrote:
so the scumteam of me kath/impo thoughtIn post 84, implosion wrote:maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.
"Oh let's make a scumcase on kath and buss within the first 50 posts"
You gotta see how that logic is a...yeah<Embrace The Void>
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Idk I recall someone poking her on that just before, did you simply ISO her?In post 1714, Tchill13 wrote:wheres the case? thats the overreaction. I've also seen scum bus early before. A lot actually.<Embrace The Void>
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Then you should also read the context if ur gonna make that accusationIn post 1716, Tchill13 wrote:Yes. To see how many votes she had when she declared she or ausuka should be lynched and u stumbled upon that.<Embrace The Void>
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That won't work everIn post 1718, Tchill13 wrote:Or I should have stopped posting at post 10 and been lock town this entire game<Embrace The Void>
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Who do you think is scum then?In post 1733, Mumble wrote:I don't like either wagon now...but I don't know what to think about why they formed like they did.<Embrace The Void>
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I think she did though?In post 1754, Tchill13 wrote:How?
She didn't really give an answer to the fact that she's hard defending the two slots that would help scum the most in lylo.<Embrace The Void>
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I don't really see anything super-scum-motivated there
It's kinda a meta/gut read but I still believe in it, it feels right<Embrace The Void>
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Mostly likely not partners with Mumble or katherine off the top of my head. Will put some extra thought into that sometime soon.In post 1764, Hopkirk wrote:@Gamma: any thoughts on who Tchill probably isn't partners with? I thought about this earlier and it made me switch to MariaR. Want to know if you agree.<Embrace The Void>
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Looking back it's probably someone who got pushed early-game because of his "some people are pushing hard very early" commentIn post 1765, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Mostly likely not partners with Mumble or katherine off the top of my head. Will put some extra thought into that sometime soon.In post 1764, Hopkirk wrote:@Gamma: any thoughts on who Tchill probably isn't partners with? I thought about this earlier and it made me switch to MariaR. Want to know if you agree.
So maybe he could be scum with Katherine<Embrace The Void>
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OMFG LMAOIn post 1777, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh, you talking about Tchill.
Last time I was scum with Tchill we pulled a fake neighborhood gambit. Was pretty cool.
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Have you read my full ISO?In post 1784, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’ve read the ins and out of a decent amount of pages. I let NSG know I wanted in in the very beginning.In post 1783, Gamma Emerald wrote:How far are you right now?
I’m at work right now, so not actively reading up. Just replying to you guys, cuz i like ya, and want to see if you are scum<Embrace The Void>
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I mean if you can provide evidence that, say, you're not scum with implosion, I'd change my mindIn post 1800, Tchill13 wrote:So Luca and gamma,while we're waiting, you're dead set on lynching me and there's nothing that can change your mind?<Embrace The Void>
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Luca didn't claim d1 nice try. Plus kts wanted your head, that's reason enough to kill him.In post 1812, Tchill13 wrote:I can't provide factual evidence. All I can do is tell you why I played the end of day 1 the way I did.
Also I'm better than this as scum. You can meta me if you want. If not fine. Flavor should be able to confirm this though.
If I was scum a claim would have been killed. Either mumble or Luca. No way a hard claim doesn't get NK'D over a sarcastic KTS vig comment.<Embrace The Void>
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OKay, well guess what? Why the fuck would you try to kill a commuter? In addition a Mumble kill would be inadvisable given implosion flipping strongman. So nice try but your excuses aren't valid.<Embrace The Void>
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1-Shot strongman. I'm surprised you don't know this and you're probably faking ignorance because of that, but if there's a strongman, it's likely to counter some town protective/blocking. Only one time it was not included for that reason was because it was instead there as a rolecop guilty where every mafia had the modifierIn post 1118, northsidegal wrote:implosion,Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, was lynched Day 1.
Night one ends in (expired on 2018-03-20 00:33:59).<Embrace The Void>
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Excuse me? How is an offhand mention of vig important? He didn't flip vig or scum so it's irrelevant.In post 1830, Tchill13 wrote:And we're gonna assume scum though to kill the guy who mentioned vig, a PR that is worth protecting, over the guy who claimed tracker?<Embrace The Void>
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howIn post 1852, Ausuka wrote:Creature could totally be scum now btw.<Embrace The Void>
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He's been posting consistently though, even though he hasn't posted muchIn post 1854, Ausuka wrote:I was townreading him for activity because that's his meta but I looked at it and he hasn't been all that active. I have more posts than him as do most people. He's probably busy irl rn though but if this keeps up he could definitely be mafia.<Embrace The Void>
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I've articulated it poorly. Creature should be active and making decent content as town, and imo it's most important early, because he could end up losing interestl ater for whatever reason. At this point I feel like he's established enough opinions and such to be locktown even if he does flake.<Embrace The Void>
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Keep prying my friend it just makes you look worseIn post 1862, Tchill13 wrote:Me, Katherine, Maria and creature. There's no real reason to TR any of us imo.<Embrace The Void>
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On what basis?In post 1867, Flavor Leaf wrote:Soul reading Tchill, Creature, and Maria as town. More than soul, but i don’t have time right now.
I’ll get to this game tonight, probably late.<Embrace The Void>
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What?In post 1898, Tchill13 wrote:Man. What should I say...
So why didn't I get lynched earlier? Why did it take this long?<Embrace The Void>
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No? Also every time you continue to shade Creature I like you less and less. I know Creature's meta much better than you, so just fucking shut up about him.In post 1904, Tchill13 wrote:In post 1885, Creature wrote:Guess Flavor Leaf is town.Creature calls flavor town because flavor called creature town. Proceeds to vote another flavor town read.
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Your bussing team is stupid. Why would they flip to their strongman over whatever Luca is?In post 1908, Tchill13 wrote:I've thrown out about... 4 or 5 different outcomes because I simply don't know what's going on. My day 1 play is geared towards a mislynch day 1. So of course when we actually lynch then I'm in uncommon territory.
If scum didn't bus. Maria/katherine (maybe ausuka but I doubt it.)
If scum did bus then it's Luca/???
Only issue I have is lynching me doesn't lead to anything. If I flip town then what? Because I can assure you I won't flip scum which means that town flip needs to lead to something decent.<Embrace The Void>
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While his posting is sparser than normal I feel like he's still town based on what he has postedIn post 1917, Kookoobird wrote:Creature needs to do more if he wants to be town. A simple meta dive shows he's a rare player that can literally be sorted by the activity overview page.<Embrace The Void>
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Don't care about that, what makes you think scum bussed their strongman over Luca?In post 1923, Hopkirk wrote:Cedrick got crazily defensive when I suggested Luca/him. Luca didn't comment.<Embrace The Void>
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I mean let me pull something up real quick, I'll tell you my logic hereIn post 1926, Tchill13 wrote:
all i wanted to see is someone else say it.In post 1917, Kookoobird wrote:Creature needs to do more if he wants to be town. A simple meta dive shows he's a rare player that can literally be sorted by the activity overview page.
Gamma, creature can fight his own battles hes a big boy. What would you say to someone LOCK towning me at this point because they "know me". It'd be pretty stupid wouldn't it?<Embrace The Void>
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Copied from Mathdino's Self-Appraisal topic
Consider this scenario:
You're in a game, and Almost50 claims "northsidegal is definitely town this game". He has good reasons. You can't read Almost50 or northsidegal. But you notice that Almost50 has 90% accuracy at reading NSG when he's town.
This is a team game. Trust your fellow players' strengths. The most probable scenario is that Almost50, if he's town, is correct. This means either:
A. They are scum together.
B. Almost50 is scum who knows NSG is town.
C. Almost50 is town who is 95% likely to be right on NSG.
Let's talk about this wrt myself. With knowing Creature's meta I can probably say I'm 80% confident he's town in this scenario. If he'd been more active that would be higher, less or making less content it would be lower. Now let's cover each of the scenarios.
A: Could be possible, if this is the case I'd be forcing Creature to post probably.
B: Something I have done in the past, but there's also the room for debate with you rn so arguing he's town could be -EV if enough people think otherwise.
C: I'm actually town and have faith in my read.
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