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Can you explain your thinking here please?In post 112, Ruby Red wrote:
for the record i asked smart what his read on me was because this post is kind of tmi on me being townIn post 72, Something_Smart wrote:Well, what I'm getting at is, it's a bad idea to be confident in early game reads, especially ones THIS early.
Not sure if you are a new player or an alt, and I know how awkward it is as an alt to be asked if you are an alt, so I won't ask you, but I will say that if you are new, you should try to maintain an open mind as much as you can, and that will significantly lower your chance of going down in flames. (I know because I used to do that all the time before I figured this out.)
he doesn't seem to consider the chance that fake confidence could come from a wolf
still think kokichi is more likely to flip wolf but either works
VOTE: something smart
Something Smart's post there struck me as not-alignment-indicating - a fluffy post of a basic mafia truism; that early reads tend to be low quality. What struck you as scummy about it?-
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To my read, post 36 seems thin gruel. The post he's quoting,7, seemed to me to be a complete joke post. Construing that as a serious post, then putting someone on the spot to defend a joke post strikes me as bad reasoning.
Why do you feel post 36 is good?
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I misspoke, sorry, that's on me.In post 134, Dunnstral wrote:You misunderstood somehow, post 7 is a nested quote inside of another quote and not what I was drawing attention to
I meant 16 struck me as a joke post.
7 also struck me as a joke post, but my perception of those both as jokes may be coloring my view of this interaction. 16 seemed like a joke response to 7 also being a joke, so using that as the basis to draw alignment conclusions struck me as... odd?
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So you are also making the conclusion that was a serious post and not a joke?In post 151, Kokichi Oma wrote:
@zoro he makes a contradiction. Says una is wolfy then says Asuka's vote on una is a bad vote.
a) Can you point out the others, because I'm not really convinced here.Kokichi Oma wrote:It's just 1 of the few contradictions I've seen him make. Contradictions come from scum.
b) I am inclined to agree with Something_Smart; I see town contradict themselves all the time. I find it NAI.
But, I want to see what's making you come to this conclusion; what other contradictions are pushing you to think Ruby Red is scummy?-
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Talk to me about this read please. You dropped a similar read earlier about kokichi also being town, and I'm curious if those two reads are tied up together / made for similar reasons.In post 169, UnaBombaH wrote:Dunn is likely town.
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I have a hard time squaring the conclusion in it as anything but a joke.In post 172, Dunnstral wrote:It seems pretty apparent that it's not a joke to me, I think this is just you
None of them made any sense, and they didn't even make fake-sense. That is, they were so obviously out of left field that they didn't feel like lies to me - they were transparently nonsense.
Yeah, they contradict eachother, but not in a 'Ha ha this is my master plan to appear towny' fashion, more like 'here is just some random bullshit for the sake of being random bullshit'.-
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Oh. Well, then I guess I have to retread. And probably owe Dunstral an apology.In post 175, Ruby Red wrote:
to start off, it wasn't a joke.In post 174, Zoronos wrote:
I have a hard time squaring the conclusion in it as anything but a joke.In post 172, Dunnstral wrote:It seems pretty apparent that it's not a joke to me, I think this is just you
None of them made any sense, and they didn't even make fake-sense. That is, they were so obviously out of left field that they didn't feel like lies to me - they were transparently nonsense.
Yeah, they contradict eachother, but not in a 'Ha ha this is my master plan to appear towny' fashion, more like 'here is just some random bullshit for the sake of being random bullshit'.
let's get something straight - are you saying that what i said doesn't make sense, or are you saying you don't understand it? because most of what i said in that post was that individual things were towny or wolfy. presumably if you're calling what i said nonsensical than you're disagreeing with what conclusions i came to - if not, then it's just that you don't understand how i came to those conclusions.
which is it?
I am saying that I don't understand what was in 16, and I don't see how you were coming to any of the conclusions in it that you made.
Here's how I read the things in it: 6 struck me as an RVS vote. 7 struck me as a joke post. I have no idea why you commented on 8. I figured your quote on 11 was a joke response to an RVS vote (similar to post 7), and 14 was mine.
So, yeah, the post struck me as nonsense because I couldn't figure out how you were getting from A to B on the posts you quoted -> the conclusions you made.
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Yeah, uhh I owe you an apology. Sorry, my bad.In post 177, Dunnstral wrote:Zoronos, some of Ruby Red's responses show they didn't consider that a joke post (they explained why responses to 7 and 8 made sense to them) - It's interesting knowing how you saw it though-
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[quote="In post 184, MariaR" I don't think I'm bias with my dunnstral scumread here but people townreading him makes me want to take a step back a second don't really know what to do with that slot zzzz.
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So, obviously, I was wrong in my analysis of Dunnstral's argument because I started from a bad premise, but my thought process was to ask whether Dunnstral was dumb or scum, and I decided he was simply dumb.
Rather than let it lie that I thought he was town-ish making a poor argument, he engaged me to change my mind.
That strikes me as towny. He is responsibility-seeking rather than responsibility-avoiding.
The other half of this is that I thought Kokichi was scummy for agreeing with Dunnstral; while I understand how Dunnstral could get it wrong on Ruby (oops I was wrong and he was right), I was having a much harder time fathoming how Kokichi could look at that same logic and +1 it in good conscious. I still am not a huge fan of Kokichi's posting, but that was my thought process on the whole matter.
I think the logic on Dunnstral still applies, even if I misunderstood the premise. It's how he behaved in response to my disagreement than moved him from null to lean-town, rather than the source of the disagreement. Not sure if that helps you, but it's how I got where I got.-
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So, I tend to lean slightly scummy on people that drop in, make a big post, and then leave (I like seeing both interactive back-and-forths and huge thought-posts). However, her thought process on reaching the Kokichi conclusion mirrored mine, and I hadn't yet specified exactly why I was questioning him, so it feels like she arrived at the same conclusion organically rather than just sheeping my logic. If she's thinking the same way as me, that suggests to me that her alignment is the same as mine. So, my base lean is slightly towny but I want to see more.In post 188, MariaR wrote: How do you feel about Aus the trs to that slot make me go "huh" because I don't get it very much at all.
I'm at a higher base-suspicion level for Arkangel, since she made a check in "I should catch up" post and then didn't actually inject any content. I've seen perpetual-catching-up from scum more than town, so that's my base suspicion.-
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At the time I wrote the thing I wrote, you had made one post. Changing my mind on this topic is easy; post more.In post 249, Ausuka wrote:@199- I'm not sure why you find the style I'm posting in scummy- it's literally just a playstyle thing. And yes, I'm not going to post one wall and then lurk for the rest of the game, you will be seeing more
Let me explain why I find that style scummy, so maybe others can follow along. The scum motivation for drop in -> big post -> peace out is that it makes it easier to avoid interacting with the thread, having discussions, and building consensus with other players. All those things are hard to fake as scum, so putting a big 'reads' post into the thread on occasion immunizes against the accusation of lurking (because the scum can point back to their single huge post and go 'Look, I'm contributing!').
Also, I think you missed the part where my judgement on you was slight town lean, but w/e. I'd rather not dwell on the things that make me doubt my town-leans when the weight of evidence, in my mind, is town over scum. It makes it harder for others to keep up with the actual state of my reads.
Let's talk about scum reads -> Who in your mind is scum other than kokichi? In your last big post, your bottom 4 were lurkers + kokichi. Is it still your opinion that scum are likely lurking it out this game, or has something else grabbed your interest?-
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Mr Bomber -> what is your current state of thinking re: the scum?UnaBombaH wrote:
I have been tonally off from my usual play - town AND scum.In post 173, Ausuka wrote:Up to the point I'm writing this post, Unabombah has felt very tonally off. My post 31 was meant to indicate this but I guess it is very unclear so I don't blame anyone who misinterpreted it.
And Ausuka is someone who should be able to tell, even if it has been a while since we last played together.
You'll all notice the difference when it's my day off wednesday.
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Any hints? Give me something to work with here.In post 254, UnaBombaH wrote:Don't worry, I'll be very clear on my reads so far once I find the time to post.-
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I have a hard time parsing your posts. Did you actually have a question for me.In post 269, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why are people not replying to me. Except lapsa
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In post 279, Ausuka wrote:@SS in 267- "Can someone tell me why they thought that post from Ausuka was towny...I mean it was just a list to me" "How do you feel about Aus the trs to that slot make me go "huh" because I don't get it very much at all." "Well duh I looked at the post and it was nothing great"
I put you back in the null bucket. My prior read was based on a bad premise, so I'm doing my best to set it aside and investigate elsewhere. I don't want to bias my evaluation because I thought you were scummy before for something it turns out you didn't do.In post 286, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Okay, what's your read on me?In post 271, Zoronos wrote: I have a hard time parsing your posts. Did you actually have a question for me.
I have a similar problem with Lapsa’s posts, it’s hard for me to follow your guys’ trains of thought.
Also, I have a hard time reading your posts so my instinct is to skip over them. Which I know is bad but I have a hard time reading a flurry of one sentence posts. Conveniently plenty of other people are chatting with you so I don't have to feel too terrible about not sorting the slot directly.-
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Ugh, fuck, hit post too early. Meant to reply to that Ausuka quote thusly. Let's all pretend this in the middle of that last post and that I'm not a failure at forums:
I think you're being overly hard on Maria there. From my perspective, maria was reaching out to her own town reads to explain their town read on you. That's a towny thing to do, in my mind; she's attempting to build cooperation with other players. Town is strongest when it works together, so asking another player to explain a read you don't get should never be a bad thing. It shows an open mind.-
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I get town feelings from Maria, Ausuka, and Dunnstral. I had town feelings on Ruby earlier, but those have degraded slightly. I think she's more on the town side of the dial, but it's a weaker read. I'd like to see her look outside her current 1v1's (she seems, to me, to be mired down in a series of conflicts which don't strike me as super productive).
I have you, Mumble, and Lapsa in my null bucket. I want to nudge Mumble up towards town but frankly I can't bring myself to do it given how little he's posted. What he has posted has struck me as reasonable, but he's a bit thin on the ground so far and hopefully that will change.
Mr Moisto, Arkangel, and Espeonage have no content to speak of, so I have no opinion on them.
I used to feel better about Unabomber, but his refusal to even briefly mention scum reads and his drop-in occasional town reads have me leaning slightly scummy on that slot. That could change easily, but I don't like the recent pattern.
Something_Smart I am having trouble sorting. A lot of what he's written strikes me as reasonable, but the most reasonable stuff is also the most NAI stuff (commentary on town making contradictions, etc). It's the kind of stuff I used to write, so it makes me feel better about him because he thinks like I think. However, that's not a good basis for judgement here because those thought processes are NAI and not directly game related thought processes, so I'm wary that I'm falling into a bias-towards-agreement situation.
Now, I'm clearly in a bit of a predicament, because I'm not seeing as many scum as I'd expect in a game this size. Which is why I asked Ausuka about her feelings in lurkers a page or two ago. If everyone posting seems towny, it stands to reason the not-town are hidden in the folks that just aren't posting.-
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I know you claimed Miller. That doesn't automagically move you off null.
I haven't decided if I believe you yet, and I'm not interested in playing PR bingo about it nor do I feel particularly time pressured to decide if I believe you *right now*.
Talk to me about that Maria read -> why do you think she's scum?-
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'k. I'm not going to be bullied into making a bad or underdeveloped read, so you do you.
You're missing the third option: I don't know yet whether A or B is correct and don't have enough data to judge which is correct, so either at that juncture is premature.
Instantly accepting or instantly rejecting a miller claim is bad play, and I'd hope people would know better.
Can you point out where those Maria posts happened?
I'm curious about this interaction. I have some ~thoughts~ but they'd be premature without seeing specifically what you're referring to.-
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Laziness; my time isn't infinite.
Fine.
Is this the post you are referring to?In post 206, Mumble wrote:
Catching up for today, but this stood out.In post 203, MariaR wrote:2) Because I forgot that Mumble even posted let alone did that or I would've called him out on it.
You forgot that I posted? Anything? 9 pages in?-
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Do you think I have a scum in my town reads list?In post 322, Lapsa wrote:
perhaps you should stop selling townreads so cheaplyIn post 302, Zoronos wrote:That(read on una)could change easily, but I don't like the recent pattern.
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Now, I'm clearly in a bit of a predicament, because I'm not seeing as many scum as I'd expect in a game this size.
I feel pretty good about most of my actual town reads at this juncture.
It's the nulls list + lurkers that currently concerns me.-
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Mr Bomber -
re: Maria - What do you think of Maria's reads so far? In your post above, you're having trouble bucketing her, so I'm curious if you agree / disagree with her reads, or if there are specific ones that stand out to you as wrong?
All these summaries, other than Ruby, strike me as based on personal-meta for the players involved. Does anything specifically within this game stand out to you as scummy from the players you're mentioning?
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I disagree here on 330. It struck me as vague handwaves at meta. Someone playing different than their meta isn't necessarily scummy, and is a weak substitute for an actual scum read. 330 made me feel worse about unabomber than I did previously.In post 336, Ausuka wrote:I guess it's definitely possible for Zoronos to be scum, but I'm not really seeing it. I was expecting him to do more with the question about my scumreads, though; he kinda just asked me and then ignored my answer. I agree that there's scum in the lurkers, but then again, there's always scum in the lurkers.
330 looks towny at first glance but I'll probably get a better read on unabombah once he posts whatever he's planning to w/ the reread.
It also stood out to me that his one non-meta read was on Ruby, but I'm not sure what that means yet other than it's specifically different than the rest of his post.
I'm very curious what will come from his promised post tomorrow.
Did I not address your answer about the lurkers? I thought I did, but I might have forgotten. I wanted to see if you were seeing what I was seeing - that it felt like there was probably a scum or two in the lurk-squad. You replied in the affirmative, but I don't really know what to do about that until the lurkers actually post.-
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I want to talk about Mumble for a second. Not because I'm at a conclusion yet, but because I want to get this reasoning written down, and you might have some useful feedback. I was hoping he'd come back and confirm I was looking at the right post, but he didn't, so w/e.
I asked him about his Maria read last night specifically because he seems to be viewing the game through a lens centered on his own play. His objection to Maria seemed based on Mumble not being able to fathom someone missing one of his posts on accident, ergo the only remaining explanation was that Maria had noticed his Miller claim then lied about not seeing it (ergo, scum). His only non-joke post at the time of his objection was his miller claim. By my read, they had a joke interaction on page-2 or so, but that's not conclusive evidence (to me) that she actually saw the Miller claim.
Moving on, his objection to me was that he couldn't fathom the notion that I hadn't made up my mind on him as a player yet. By virtue of claiming miller, I was required to have a positive or negative sort on him, immediately. He picked his name out of my larger post on the entire field. Again, this suggests he's viewing the game strongly through a notion that everyone should have an opinion on him by now, and be paying high levels of attention to his posts.
This seems to indicate that he is operating under a high degree of projection / illusion of transparency. An town miller in his seat could, knowing full well he is actually a miller, presume that everyone else obviously knows that same thing (and being important, would be paying attention to all his posts). Projection and illusion of transparency with a bias towards 'clearly I am town' in my experience tend to come from, well, town.
Obviously, there's a other side of the coin situation where a scum fake claims miller, tries to establish credibility, and then coasts on the claim. His posting is largely self-focused, however, my initial evaluation is that this is less likely since he's basically accusing everyone else of things in a reasoning-from-self fashion, rather than by reflecting on his own posting. He doesn't appear self-conscious *at all*, if any the opposite is true. He wants everyone else to be conscious of him.-
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Why am I asking for feedback? Because talking to other players is more effective than just shouting my opinions into the void.In post 347, Mumble wrote:
Why are you asking for feedback on this? You asked for non-directed, open ended feedback on your "reasoning" for not taking a stance. Why not just say "Here's where I'm at" and take a stance, instead of presenting two possibilities and asking for feedback? That comes across as you positing a stance and seeing which one you should solidify.
Also, you are completely mischaracterizing that post. I very much took a stance in it.
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Oh, that's easy.In post 359, Mumble wrote: Just tell me why Smart, specifically.
Based on his earlier statements about town players making contradictory statements, he seems like the sort of mafia player that would understand a read based on behavioral patterns and cognitive biases and what those biases suggest about alignments, and have a good opinion on whether or not this specific read fit the facts.-
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Lapsa could be town, or you believe Lapsa is town? I want to be sure I'm clear on your read here. Your phrasing is throwing me off a tad.In post 400, ArcAngel9 wrote:Oh boie. Lapsa could be town btw. He is just pushing the wrong buttons. Why are you being reactive?
I don't want to jump into the middle of the discussion that something_smart is trying to have with you, but I'm really confused about your basis for that scum read. If you'd like to clarify that, I'd appreciate it; I don't understand what you mean by "especially how he is forming his town reads".-
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So, as an outside reader, my initial reaction was 'Reactive? That seems like an odd claim', then I went through it again and I can see a line where someone could read the back and forth between you and lapsa about meta, and conclude you were reacting to Lapsa's meta-based accusation by calling him scummy and voting him. Under that viewpoint, you are being reactive.In post 413, Dunnstral wrote:The more I think about this the weirder it seems
Did you read post 388? Why are you accusing me of being 'reactive'?
However! I'm left wondering how that's scummy. 'reactive' and 'scummy' aren't synonyms. Reacting to a scummy argument by calling it scummy isn't bad.
So, my question to Arkangel here wouldn't be 'why are you calling me reactive', it would be 'why do you think my response to Lapsa's arguments was wrong / scummy' or 'why is Lapsa's meta argument correct'. By indicting you for responding as you did, clearly something about either the initial proposition from lapsa or the response from you should be particularly town / scummy (respectively), and I'm really curious what her opinion on those things is, because it's not clear to me at all.-
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*checks watch*In post 449, UnaBombaH wrote:Got overwhelmed yesterday, and I want to make a good long post, so that got delayed..sry for everyone who was anxiously waiting for it.
It will come within this week though. (no refunds on pre-paid tickets..)
I feel like Espeonage just read the stuff on that current page, and was looking for things to react to, and because I was more verbose in my question (or rather, because I was more transparent about what I was thinking while asking the question) figured he could draw a distinction between the two. I'm not sure it's a meaningful distinction here.In post 450, Kokichi Oma wrote:
What?In post 446, Espeonage wrote:Which now sheds some pretty shitty light on kok for both not voting and not being pointed in the way zoro was.-
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You can't make me! You're not my dad!In post 458, Ruby Red wrote:@everyone not voting, how about you put a vote down in your very next post
VOTE: UnabombaH
Oh. Oops.
Not a fan of the lack of content across multiple checkins.
Might also vote Arc; I don't see the reasoning for the couple town reads that pronounced in the last page or two and am really curious about the answers to my earlier questions.
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You’re really going to have to explain this one to me. I haven’t seen him produce anything all game other than a couple early surface town reads and posts promising he’d eventually play without actually doing so.
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Because he hasn't made a single scum read all game; if he's not trying to solve the game, he's not town. He kept promising to make posts that would have scum reads in them and... didn't. It's a stupid and facile thing to lie about, but if the players let you get away with it repeatedly then they let you get away with it.In post 498, Morality wrote:
How does that scream scum to you? He says he’ll be posting a long post. I trust him to do so. Nothing he has done isn’t something that I couldn’t just see him doing as town. Unah’s a player that i town read unless I have reasons to scum read him.
This isn't a topic where it would be hard to change my mind, but until I see him do something to actually help find the scum instead of making repeated feet dragging posts, I'm going to keep challenging him on it.
Town want to solve the game. They want to find the scum. Scum don't. If a player is refusing to find the scum, well, I have some bad news about their alignment.-
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You are vexatious.In post 503, Lapsa wrote:In post 494, Zoronos wrote:I want to interject into the Dunstrall v Lapsa discussion, because this discussion seems very opaque, but I’m not even sure what question to ask that would clarify things.
Maybe this: Lapsa, what specifically were you accusing Dunnstral of with regard to his meta?-
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I absolutely see scum hunting as alignment indicating, but even going from this perspective, his 'town hunting' has been exceedingly superficial. He pronounced two early reads on Dunn and Kokichi then dropped off the radar entirely until 330.In post 520, Morality wrote:Also, @Zoro - not only is it town’s job to find scum, it’s their job to have other townies see that they are town, and to find other townies as well. A lot of players push for lack of scum hunting, but sometimes early game it’s really hard to, and as town, I tend to force a lot of things to try to finish the puzzle without enough pieces.
That’s why i don’t see lack of scum hunting is AI this early in the game.
I respect a position of 'I'm not sure yet' and realize premature reads are dangerous (as is being pushed into a read, since such reads are liable to be low quality and cause anchoring-bias). In that case I'd expect to see effort to sort out those reads and move from a state of "I'm not sure" towards a state where they are sure. But I don't see that; Una isn't talking to or engaging people to sort them out or reduce his uncertainty.-
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So... who on that list do you actually scum read?
Espeonage it seems like you gave half a scum read on, but you finished with 'will need to be aware of him'. What does that mean here?
Do you scum read maria, or just lack of a town read?
Ruby Red wasn't even a read, just it reminding you of your own posting.-
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I'm not asking you to be useless, and constructing a 'woe is me everyone ignore me I'm useless' narrative is itself scummy (because it's responsibility-avoidant).In post 557, UnaBombaH wrote:Well, if you want to go deeper into my uselessness, I'm very 50/50 on my townreads this game too!
Espeonage has "half a scumread" because he simply hasn't posted much. I have the luxury of knowing he has been sick, and therefore his activity could NAI.
I think he might be the kind of player who is capable of flying under the radar while lurking though - that is why I pointed it out.
For the lack of actual scumreads, I'd say the LEAST TOWNY reads for me are Ruby Red, Lapsa and Maria.
So, if you're town, help me out here, and show me some thought process.-
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You wanna help me lynch UnabombaH for lurking and /or Arkangel for lurking then making one flurry of kinda questionable posts then disappearing again? (I realize that should have commas but putting the commas in makes it look weird forgive me for my poor grammar)In post 643, Espeonage wrote:Can y'all talk to me and not about me and maybe I can play my way in.
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I haven’t played a game of mafia in like 2years, so I wouldn’t know.In post 655, Espeonage wrote:Any of you given thought to the fact that Arc is abrasive by nature and regularly incorrectly wagoned?
Of the many adjectives I could choose for Arc’s posting this game, I’m not sure I’d use abrasive.
It would be a quick iso, she’s barely posted, give it a read and tell me if you think scummy or towny?-
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We have had a lot of people basically not playing, which makes it hard to get traction anywhere.
I still want to lynch Unabomber, who has basically produced a read on one player all game (a scum lean on the claimed miller), didn't vote them, then fucked off again.
The Worst is at least posting, which is better than I could say from Arcangel who slots he's in.
I still don't really want to vote Kokichi (so I'm not har har).-
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I want to talk to you about this some, I have been thinking about it ever since Morality initially started defending Una.In post 639, Ruby Red wrote:if i take it that morality actually can meta read una like he says, that removes the "morality v una w" situation. it no longer makes sense to lynch una over morality. if you want to lynch una, morality is always the better lynch. morality is either defending a wolfbuddy, pocketing a villager, or is a v and is correct.
Do you think it's scum-Morality trying to get on the right side of history because he / she knows Una's alignment, or just him / her trying to save a friend from a lurk-train?
The former makes me a little hesitant to lynch Una, but damn I really want to lynch players that continually promise to play and then don't. Especially when they're not acting on the one read they have produced this game.-
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Full state of game?In post 716, the worst wrote:Ya if I dont have enough time to make sense d1 I'll try and be extra snazzy d2
What are your reads other than Una, Zoronos?
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Ausuka
Dunnstral
Slight town
Ruby
MariaR (degraded due to sudden lack of participation once she got semi-consensus called town)
Something_Smart
Mumble
Kokichi (I think my earlier scum read on him was wrong, because it was based on an incorrect input vis-a-vis my read on Dunnstral's post)
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Lapsa (He's really frustrating to work with, so I'm trying to avoid conflating scummy and abrasive)
Espeonage (low content, I tried to accomodate his request last night to help engage him into the game, but he didn't do anything with it)
Morality (I have some reservations about his hard defense of Una when Una had done nothing, in my mind, to merit it. And he kept falling back on 'Default town' as his only data point)
Scummy
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Wait, what?In post 730, Something_Smart wrote:I don't actually HAVE any scumreads this game, so insomuch as Espeonage is near the bottom of my readlist that is correct.
I maybe have been laboring under the wrong impression of your read state.
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Who is the wolfy lurker here?In post 759, Ruby Red wrote:step 1 pick a lurker at random, but make sure you don't choose an actually wolfy lurker
step 2 vote said lurker
step 3 call the wolfteam as anyone not voting or townreading that lurker
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I don't think Maria is scum. Let's go around this again.In post 764, Ruby Red wrote:maria
I don't think you or Kokichi are either, so really I'm not happy with the current slate of lynch candidates at all.-
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