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I don't really know anyone other than gamma and I can't read gamma-
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what is up saudade?
you know I had a hydra account with someone on MU that was called saudade too
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are you virtuoso?In post 749, wilky wrote:Welcome Toranga.
@doughboy that last post has me thinking that Gamma's right. Ezekel seems happy to move on but you're baiting him as gamma said.-
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depends on if the game is fun or not tbhIn post 744, Gamma Emerald wrote: PEdit: hai Tor, pls be active
30 pages and still d1 means you already talked too much and derailed yourselves onto stupid arguments that lead nowhere and are like 80% of the time tvt
and I didn't even read anything
so let's get someone lynched, shall we?
who's active lurking? let's make a list of those fellas and kill inside of it-
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ok
I just skimmed dva and I didn't mind their posts. lemme check tony hawk-
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you think I can read you? I scum read you every single game we were both town in, even if momentarily so.In post 757, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Wait whatIn post 747, Toranaga wrote:I don't really know anyone other than gamma and I can't read gamma-
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prohawk's ISO: the only relatively towny thing he did was apparently check for saudade's meta and ended up townreading him. other posts are descriptive and he seems pretty disengaged. I'm fine with the lynch. I'm leaning more scum on hawk than dva and I don't like the way hawk pushed dva as probably scum without explaining his lean to any detail.-
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I was in assassin's creed yeah, it was the second game we played together and I was scumreading you there for a good part of it. I was even fine when you got lol lynched before you could shoot, cause you were never around and it was stalling the game.
waifu wars I'm pretty sure I cleared you, yeah.
heroes wanted it was the same deal of half townreading, half wolfreading everything you did.
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how much do we like this reasoning? anyone else that knows scioness thinks this is >rand scum slot just because of the replace out? the one thing I like about dva is her apparent disinterest in pushing anything, as it points to lack of agenda, but that's not necessarily a towny thing and it's player dependant.In post 31, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok. Mine was serious though. I honestly think it's likely that Scioness saw a red role PM and replaced out in the pre-game, and I feel like the others who also voted that slot feel the same way as I do.-
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townyIn post 47, GuerillaWoo wrote:Hey y'all i'm a day late soz, good to be back playing mafia Don't see any familiar names tho if I played with u before and don't recognize you immediately i'm sorry haha.
Aight game stuff. Skimmed through and hopefully things pick up.
Alchemist seems a little controlling but I think it's unavoidable with inactivity. I've never played with Scioness and don't usually care about meta, so eh. Possible but I'd rather vote based on player behavior and not their proxy that never posted.
Saudade is... strange. VOTE: Saudade 2irony4me. Hasn't really chimed in even when prompted, quadruple posting, essentially gave a non-answer with that short story collection. Can't tell if scummy or just annoying. Guess we'll find out what the price is for voting for him second?
Leaning town on Doughboy.
Nothing else pops out at me this early.
por que roll of the eyes?In post 43, Doughboy wrote:In post 31, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok. Mine was serious though. I honestly think it's likely that Scioness saw a red role PM and replaced out in the pre-game, and I feel like the others who also voted that slot feel the same way as I do.
I agree saudade started off and overreacted weirdly to alchemist's theory that dva is scum because she replaced into scum!scioness slot. alchemist and guerrilla are easy townreads early on.-
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how is it scummy if they're serious about it? why would you even suggest they're not being serious about it? alchemist seems pretty serious to me. if a player has a history of replacing out as scum and they replace out before the game even starts, what does that tell you? why are you going after the people who are reading into it, instead of trying to establish if the meta read is true in the first place?In post 54, EzekelRAGE wrote:Just to clarify, when I say them I mean voting going on for dis/Db etc and that whole group.
Dva votes and ppl bringing up the other person drops out of red roles, I don’t like and I read as scummy. Couldn’t tell if they are serious or not.-
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this mirrors my thoughts and furthers my townread on guerilla.In post 59, GuerillaWoo wrote:I'm not a fan of how he said "I read it as scummy". Like, clearly the origin of his 'suspicion' isn't a read, it's Alchemist's meta guess.
Feels like a good place to nest my vote rn VOTE: Ezekiel but I still wanna hear something serious from Saudade.-
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"deserves a few votes", but is he scummy? is he towny? you seem to be grilling his presentation without making an actual stance on ezekel here.In post 67, Saudade wrote:
I think the idea in itself that you are presenting is not scum-likeIn post 51, EzekelRAGE wrote:I don’t read them as scummy either figure both sides are just kicking the tires.
Are you guys serious about the Dva thing in regards to the replacement? Is so that is scummy to me.
*shrug*
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is any of this scummy of guerilla though? who was questioning players harder than guerilla at this point?In post 112, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: GuerillaWoo
I think he’s trying to hard to justify his Saudade push to everyone
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I'm starting to lean that way as well. I find ezekel a little too nitpicky on his db push to be scum doing it, and db just feels natural throughout.In post 149, Alchemist21 wrote:
I feel the same.In post 147, Tommy wrote:Feels like town v town to me.
Ezekel ISO in the previous game shows that he does withhold his vote.
Doughboy has been doing some ballsy stuff this game if he’s scum, and the last game shows a big back and forth between him and Ezekel and that old interaction has probably painted Doughboy’s memory of him especially considering Doughboy had never mentioned Ezekel in that game until shit went down.
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it's really not, it's just a pro-town unvote when the moment calls for it. guerilla could stay on that wagon hiding behind a grudge if he wanted to, and nobody would bat an eye at that. he unvoted cause he wants to avoid the very short gameday. guerilla is almost definitely town regardless of saudade's alignment.In post 177, EzekelRAGE wrote:@LTVNGambit Now that you pointed it out, it is odd that Guerilla hoped off that Suade train, especially with the post saying whether Suad is town or not, they have no problem with them Suade being lynched.-
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and this is a fantastic postIn post 182, Saudade wrote:Alright time to stop being a delicious lynch bait
whats his name angry emotional guy - Reacted very harshly and emotionally to my attitude and stance, unvoted when I was at L-1 or L-2 or whatever, town.
Doughnut - Can't comment we've a history together and if my thought process is right the scum on my wagon wouldn't be this vocal.
this is scum, opportunistic jump on the wagon.
informed scum content, scumslip =]In post 147, Tommy wrote:Feels like town v town to me.
VOTE: Tommy
if the whole doughnut ezkielrage and the angry guy tunnelling guy could unvote because you guys are playing into a bad position-
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scum description posting 101In post 213, ProHawk wrote:So.... theres a Doughboy vs Ezekiel based on past history... and then Saudade vs Guerilla for a testosterone contest? Then Saudade who claimed to self-bait himself to analyze his wagon for scum? And a bit of commentary inbetween... Did I miss anything?
Curious as to why Saudade didn't include the L-1 vote from DVa in his analysis of scum... Considering it was the "scummiest" vote that I saw...?-
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In post 246, Saudade wrote:Dva's just.. too simple to be a scum vote-
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agreedIn post 290, DVa wrote:
don't like thisIn post 193, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This is going to a long gameIn post 129, Doughboy wrote:Saudade is a good Lynch.
He’s most likely scum here since he isn’t trying to find scum.
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dva has the right ideas on the game here. might be scum, but I'm not lynching it this gameday.In post 293, DVa wrote:Saudade still good wagon
saudade made some good posts but the way he approached ezekel feels like he knows ezekel is town getting tunneled, in that post he says he "deserves" some votes.
he is right that guerilla is town
I'm townreading tommy's re-entrance so I think saudade is 0/2 in his scumreads and is disappointingly not as good at mafia as he thinks he is, unless he is scum which remains a very solid possibility.-
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ok but then guerilla acts very similarly and you think he is scum for it.In post 296, Alchemist21 wrote:Spoiler:
Posts like these make me think Saudade is Town. It’s a lot of attention-attracting bravado if he’s scum. What would scum him D2 if he was wrong on someone? Keep forcing that confidence after destroying his credibility? Also considering he hasn’t moved to the Guerill wagon to try and push a counterwagon to his own, I’m sure he’s Town.
saudade's bravado isn't as hard as you think it is. once you get into the mindset of saying the type of stuff he is saying, you easily do it in both alignments cause you're just that confident you'll get away with it as scum.-
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this is absolutely on point. I like db a lot this game.In post 317, Doughboy wrote:I see saudade still isn’t scum hunting. Why are people town reading him?
His bravado doesn’t sway me. That’s easy to fake as scum. Scum hunting isn’t easy to fake and it’s clear here since he’s done a bad job faking it.
@saudade please read this - viewtopic.php?f=49&t=30907
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I'm gonna fall onto things I fall onto every game with you, gamma, and say that you cannot possibly be legitimately thinking this and you look very scummy for saying it.In post 330, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No. Thank wagon was very likely scum driven.In post 319, Doughboy wrote:Bring back the saudade wagon since hes probably scum, he’s not scum hunting and he’s kind of being rude-
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I'm pretty sure you're townreading everyone outside of the early random votes that went on you there. so why are you not attacking gamma instead? gamma saying the wagon was scum motivated is bullshit, saudade. how did you miss that?In post 339, Saudade wrote:oh so all those votes on me were random?
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you're not toxic at allIn post 349, Saudade wrote:Doughnut might be cruising through an easy day just by tunneling me under the pretenses that im toxic, could be fake =]
doughnut is giving correct reasons to scumread your posting. he is not hiding behind calling you toxic and you shouldn't misinterpret him as doing so. the person who was doing that to you was guerilla.-
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goodIn post 356, Saudade wrote:very silly, almost unlikable, similar to Gorilla probably was on my wagon due to my horrible character
smalltown lean here to be honest I wouldn't lynch him so far-
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In post 360, GuerillaWoo wrote:Also I think ProHawk forgot the game existed lol
and this is how scum is currently playing on mafiascumIn post 361, ProHawk wrote:.... naww just been busy work and probably just sad cause other peeps get all the attention and its weird for me not to be the D1 lynch nominee... BUT I did look at like one or two games of Saudade and he was a lot more cautious as scum, so his play here doesn't strike me as being very scum-like.
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like the dude literally magically appears in the thread minutes after someone mentions him, after saying nothing for what, days? and look at this post my god.-
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literally making people dislike him into scumreading himIn post 376, DVa wrote:Honestly i was starting to reconsider my read until mila kunis. How can you seem townie sometimes but also post so much garbage?
these emotions from dva are towny at any rate-
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I heavily dislike guerilla's posting on a personal level on pg 16 and it's making me feel he might be scum, but I'm aware this might just be instincts from me and not scummy things he did.-
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what the fucking cringe is thisIn post 427, Tommy wrote:UNVOTE: Saudade
I think that as scum, he would have lazily tunnelled me all day, and he hasn't. I don't know how he managed those town slips. Maybe they're real, maybe he's lying town, I don't know. But as a case on their own, they're pretty thin. I'm going to do some more reading and make a decision about the next move.-
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this is always the lynchIn post 431, ProHawk wrote:Tommy - Not a fan of his recent comment re: Saudade, sounded like a fabricated reason to get off Saudade. Could be scum.
DVa - Posts have been scummy, very probable scum - I'm voting here.
GuerillaWoo - I like his engagement, town read
Saudade - I looked back at his scum-game early on, granted it was his first scum game, but he is definitely a lot less crass than he is here. Leaning town
Flubbernugget - Need more.
LTVNGambit - Leaning town, haven't seen anything jumping out at me.
Alchemist21 - No real read here yet.... setting this in the null/sort pile
Gamma Emerald - No real read here either... setting this in the null/sort pile
Doughboy - Early town read. Still town.
EzekelRAGE - Posts feel town.
Majority of reads are from the gut, hard for me to engage stuff with all of the fighting going on in the thread.
look at the scumreadslist.txt this guy just made
come on now-
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I also dislike that guerilla didn't notice prohawk or interacted with him in any way after calling him to the thread. why would you call someone to the thread, they magically appear, but then you don't do anything with it? why are you concerned with prohawk especifically? is he your scum partner or something?In post 811, Toranaga wrote:In post 360, GuerillaWoo wrote:Also I think ProHawk forgot the game existed lol
and this is how scum is currently playing on mafiascumIn post 361, ProHawk wrote:.... naww just been busy work and probably just sad cause other peeps get all the attention and its weird for me not to be the D1 lynch nominee... BUT I did look at like one or two games of Saudade and he was a lot more cautious as scum, so his play here doesn't strike me as being very scum-like.
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they would, actually
I agree that's a small point in favour of him and IIRC my first comment on prohawk was that this is a towny thing he did, but he has a whole lot of scumposting otherwise that makes me disregard this.-
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look, someone else read your scum game and you happen to think it's scum this timeIn post 435, Tommy wrote:
Yeah. He's trying to sort people other than me in posts 349, 352, 353, 356, 357, 358, 363, 372, 381 and 382. Like you, I read his scum game. He just tunnels his lynchbait for most of day 1, then a late bus puts him in a good position for the second day. This is a different style. Right now I'm leaning town, and I'm as surprised about that as you are.In post 428, ProHawk wrote:
Really?In post 427, Tommy wrote:I think that as scum, he would have lazily tunnelled me all day, and he hasn't.
I like the read he is making here and I kinda like the interaction with prohawk from his end-
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the whatIn post 451, Tommy wrote:VOTE: DVa
He may be new, but he's following Albert B Rampage's famous scum guide to the letter.-
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LTVNGambit, Alchemist21, Gamma Emerald, Doughboy
actually all town if you're right on gamma-
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what the fuck is thisIn post 538, Tommy wrote:Can people who aren't on either of the two main wagons either switch votes or convince three or four others to join them?-
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I read until dva was replaced out and the new dude is towny as well so that's probably a town slot isn't it
gb is towny as fuck
so is alchemist, so is ezekel
saudade is towny too
flubber isn't doing anything but he hasn't been scummy, same thing can be said about winky I guess
I can't read gamma to any extent and I'm in the same spot I've ever been with him where half his posts look like scum to me, and the other half is towny.
tommy is a tier below gamma
so who's left? guerilla and prohawk
guerilla is just annoying to read. I was townreading it at first but it's too much of this loud crazy talk the whole time, I don't like it. there's some people that manage to create all this mad overconfident fake angry noise when they're scum and this is how I'm reading this guerilla dude now.
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gun to my head, none of these people are scumIn post 837, Doughboy wrote:
Idk how you can narrow it down so quickly. Gamma/Saudade/rage/dva all are legit possibilities also.In post 836, Toranaga wrote:it's probably guerilla and prohawk-
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sorry, doughboy
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I mean sure doughboy, I can be wrong about everything, it's just where I'm leaning rn
I disagree that saudade didn't do anything. he has actually done a lot and has pretty nuanced/smart takes on most slots which is what I expect from him as town-
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you're having a great game outside of being clearly pissed with ezekel before the game even started and that's letting you go off rails with garbage no one needs to read tbh
I don't care about your grudge and I'm not asking ezekel dick, alright? IDK why that's even relevant anyway. sometimes the WAY people do things is scummy outside of just the actions. guerilla's posting is different than gamma's posting. gamma is nuanced, calm, smart. guerilla is not those things x10.-
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sorry that was @doughboy
@tommy: I don't know, just irked me lol. it's not anything you said, just the way you said it. some of your posts are kinda scummy but I'm townreading everything else.-
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I can see what you're seeing actually. I just don't agree with the read. I think saudade made some really bad posts when he started but that improved significantly over time.In post 849, Doughboy wrote:
His pushes/votes are bad. He does nothing until he’s at l-1 and then does minimal scum hunting. It’s easy to have good reads when you are informed and that is what it looks like. He’s definitely informed.In post 844, Toranaga wrote:I mean sure doughboy, I can be wrong about everything, it's just where I'm leaning rn
I disagree that saudade didn't do anything. he has actually done a lot and has pretty nuanced/smart takes on most slots which is what I expect from him as town
He tried to say tommy scum slipped for saying me v rage was probably t v t. That’s ridiculous-
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I don't like your dva vote, the reasons for the dva vote and your other thoughts about that slotIn post 853, Tommy wrote:Heading to bed, but I'd love to know which of my other posts you think are scummy (apart from 538).
I found the way you just unvoted saudade instead of going elsewhere chasing another scumread to be scummy, and I think your reasoning is fine, probably accurate, but something scum is way more aware than town re: people tunneling their slots-
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I'm sorry, we should just end the gameday before people get too pissed about it.In post 855, Doughboy wrote:I think I’m about done with this game.-
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you don't think a new inexperienced player like him would be scum here, do you?In post 852, Doughboy wrote:
I actually cane into this game with no ill will towards anyone. Rage is new and clearly inexperienced. He went off the rails because he didn’t agree with my opinion of him. He did something this game that seemed different then the other game and I said something cause it was noteworthyIn post 847, Toranaga wrote:you're having a great game outside of being clearly pissed with ezekel before the game even started and that's letting you go off rails with garbage no one needs to read tbh
I don't care about your grudge and I'm not asking ezekel dick, alright? IDK why that's even relevant anyway. sometimes the WAY people do things is scummy outside of just the actions. guerilla's posting is different than gamma's posting. gamma is nuanced, calm, smart. guerilla is not those things x10.-
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wait, what? you can't talk specifically about what you perceive as different play from town!ezekel to thisgame!ezekel? if that game is finished you should be allowed to say it. unless there's something I'm missing or something you're misinterpreting, there's absolutely nothing wrong about you talking about ezekel's play in a finished game.-
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you've been both fine IMO and this is overmodding
we leave it for postgame
at any rate I think ezekel is town and I don't think lying is necessarily a scummy thing to do, unless ofc it's about your alignment-
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you're being a little grumpy though
ausuka didn't tell you not to bring up meta, just don't have a fight about his mistakes in that game
you're totally doing this, right? I read this game today, I know how you've been dealing with ezekel and it feels like outside the game grudge that no one but the two of you care about. that's what she doesn't want happening here probably. you can bring up past games just fine. she is not modding your right to case people.-
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you remind me a lot of tchill tbh
your heart is in the right place but I don't think anyone else is gonna see ezekel as scum this gameday-
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