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Yea you only post read lists and traffic light colours and nothing else just moving people up and down the read listIn post 2826, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to meIn post 2823, profii wrote:Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?-
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This oneIn post 2828, profii wrote:
Yea you only post read lists and traffic light colours and nothing else just moving people up and down the read listIn post 2826, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to meIn post 2823, profii wrote:Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?
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My 2 word thing at that start was a very subtle reference to this to try and bat signal to you that if we are town together we can go forth and conquer - at the time I couldn’t reference the partner game haha-
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lols actually that’s why I ignored your vig claim hahaIn post 2833, Flavor Leaf wrote:
That makes this much funnier.In post 278, profii wrote:
Typical Flavor :pIn post 276, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 206, Naomi-Tan wrote:
*facepalm*In post 186, Flavor Leaf wrote:I have half a mind to confirm your theory
Okay... so the only way to 'confirm my theory' would been to claim cop or gunsmith, Which if I'm reading that correctly you just did despite my repeated warnings not to. So... I revealed 3 of our PR's to reds on the first day... without trying to on the first account and after explicitly and clearly asking people not to on the second account..
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I am still thinking Crimsons claim is poop but with under 2 days I’m not going to push an unlikely Pr claim lynch on D1In post 2123, profii wrote:In post 2101, Nauci wrote:In post 2113, Krazy wrote:Crimson hardclaim now
Seems prudent to put these posts together
Krazy is all IDK guys about Crimson but happily jumps on the wagon as soon as he knows no one in their right mind will hammer
Then oh look a doctor claim
Hence the query about his scum pool - I am really stuck on who to lynch today so I figure let’s see if Crimson perhaps scum reads someone who is likely to be his pal and someone else outside the pool will also be his pal I’d guess
So when I saw Krazy in there - it reminded me of the quote above... and now they are both ok with a creature lynch
Seems bad news to me- I can get on a Krazy lynch rn but that’s another dang PR :@-
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actually let’s just get down to brass tacks hereIn post 2847, Almost50 wrote:
Hi there.In post 2817, Performer wrote:Hello all. I see you there light, FL, GE, krazy, crimson, creat, a50, prof.
I'm sorry if I forgot anyone else.
I did a super quick skim and wow - anyone who didn't have saud as tr, shame on you . Could even tr him from before replacing and I was right, yes! Never been wrong about this except that 1 time I came into an SK slot.
In related news, GE pushing for a lynch on me when we have little time left, is very A L A R M I N G. I saw 1 claim in my skim.
Can people summarize what happened so far because I am not going thru an unreal 110 page d1... this is M E S S E D U P, why so many pages!?
Could you please quickly summarize why you TR'd your predecessor before you replaced in? I am not familiar with them at all, so maybe you can draw my attention to something I don't know about them. (This is why I don't feel like ISOing some slots because I don't know what I'm looking for in their ISO anyway).
Performer claims to have skim read the thread and perfectly town read one slot only (his own)
Okey dokey !
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Wiki says yep
So if FL and Creature are claiming day 1 masons, as soon as one of them flips the other would die as scum so they are kinda all in for not a great deal of gain seeing as we aren’t honing in on someone scummy imo
Plus with Crimsons dubious claim one will die soon - if he is fake or scum doc ofc
So that claim is ok with me
Now then we have Vig Krazy - We can leash this and he cannot shot the masons so that’s not bad
Crimson - he has to protect a mason - we can deal with this tomorrow
TW - I guess he has to investigate outside of all the claims
So I say we lynch outside of all this - I least believe Crimson but we might as well leash him on our believeable masons-
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So how are you going to win the game when every time we get near a scum lynch they just claim doc, don't breadcrumb and you don't lynch it?In post 3033, Mister Rogers wrote:
Your argument is directed to yourself. I EXAMINED his roleclaim and found nothing suspicious about it except that he did not crumb. That's not enough to lynch a claimed power role. Go on with your fail self and tunnel another mason all game long.In post 3029, Krazy wrote:@VI:
You are arguing there is no case against Crimson when you yourself put him to L-2 like just days ago, you spent days arguing about leashing my shot over concerns with a doctor save but never talked to Crimson about leashing his doc, you never seriously interrogated his roleclaim, and so at this point I think why you ever voted him in the first place is a legitimate question. You are hard defending a slot your voting history indicates you were basically ready to lynch, or at least seemed willing to pressure. So you saw enough of a case to put him to L-2 but now can't think of a single reason he's scummy. He's spent half the dayphase casing Naomi, who you insist is obvious town, and the other half pushing Creature/Manatee, who is a claimed mason. Regardless of whether he is town or scum, I don't understand why YOU believe he is town since his actions seem basically irreconcilable with your view of the game-
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I agree but I just don't know where to go:In post 3052, Performer wrote:as for all these claims on d1
absolutely there is someone L Y I N G. ABSOLUTELY.
this G A I M is messsed U P
Creature and FL - it's a ballsy scum play but I can see the motivation = FL was going to be shot by Krazy (allegedly) so he may know that is bad news for scum. A mason claim might see him through the night given the doc may protect.
On the flip side of that:
FL hard defended Manatee.
FL has given us 2 scum if he gets caught
Why give that up on day 1 for the sake of 1 night, when if Krazy shoots Creature anyway, we are speed lynching FL. It's a huge risk.
On the flip side of that:
See FL's signature haha.
Krazy - Neighbour Vig, someone pointed out there is no multiball in 13p new normal rules, so I guess he isn't going to turn out to be a serial killer. So if he is a legit vig, his survival depends on scums assessment of how likely he is to shoot a towny and help them - he may not die tonight, despite having the ability to shoot scum, as he is interesting in me somewhat :p IDK how likely Krazy is going to flake claim ala FL.
Rogers - neighbour - no mechanical reason for this to be lock town, but his play seems ok ish. I don't recall seeing that level of effort/frustration from scum any time recently.
Crimson - I did not like the claim, it scared people off the wagon and is hard to prove currently.
TW - Gun smith, seems logical given at least 2 shooters
The question on my mind is would it be normal/balanced enough to have a way of detecting shooters and stopping shooters? (Crim and TW)
Also -the point of 1 of these roles can be scum PRs would also make sense - we have a lot of power so far and I don't think this is role madness.
I feel like the "safe" bet is TW - I know this is a pre-designed setup and I don't know who made it, so do we think that game designers are mean enough to lead us to this way of betting TW might be scum - I mean I don't think so because they don't know who is going to claim when but it's a dangerous path to go down because if we start lynching PRs because one is surely lying and we are wrong, when do we stop?
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i know what the scum motivation could have been - I don’t think Creature was going to get lynched thoughIn post 3069, Mister Rogers wrote:I agree and am willing to go to accomplish this because as Krazy says, we are more than likely to have caught scum in the claims.
@Profii: The moptivation for scum FL/Creature was that Creature was the OBV lynch for D1 and the Mason claim was the only way to derail that. Obviously I do not hold Creature as scum but if they are scum together, that was the reason. If Creature holds a particulasrly powerful scum role, a gambit like this could be seen as warranted.
Obviously however I am the wrong choice for the day not only because I am town but because we have genuinely scummy players that should be voted.
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eh this is news to me but you can just shoot me over night so why do you careIn post 3085, Krazy wrote:all my reads are fucked
I want us to lynch today
I want it to be profii but I don't know how to make that happen
he just seems like the only guy who when I claimed vig seemed to be actively trying to not get shot, and that makes me think he's scum. he knew I was real despite my play this game being abysmal because he's scum
it makes sense to me
everyone else seemed to be trying to eat a bullet lol, instead profii started casing whoever happened to be pissing me off at the time (i.e. rogers)-
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Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of timesIn post 3102, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.-
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Right well the point was if I hinted cop I figured you would at least consider the possibility of me fake claiming and if I’m cop you’d probably know I’m copping you n1 every time so we can rule town for the rest of the gameIn post 3110, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I mean, sure. I’m probably the most likely to die, though, unless scum is outright terrified of Krazy.In post 3109, profii wrote:
Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of timesIn post 3102, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.
Krazy/Worst are more mislynchable than me right now, and Rogers is making sure that the claims are discredited.
So that’s 1 reason I don’t think you’d fake claim mason
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And what’s your read on me rn?In post 3219, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think it’s slightly improbableIn post 3216, profii wrote:Gamma
What do you think of Rogers being the neighbor now - that could make the scum team goon gunsmith neighbor
We have masons - vig - cop so far
Like my setup spec instinct tells me the pocketing power of the mafia neighbor could be a little much when put with a vig, plus the mafia having a gs means scum neighbor with vig neighbor would sort of muddle the effectiveness of the gs-
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Why wouldn’t you just answer that lolIn post 3223, Gamma Emerald wrote:What does that have to do with the original question-
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Gamma is saying it’s not likely Rogers is a neighbourIn post 3241, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.
This leaves him with little choice off wagon - ie if Gunsmith busses, do we think both scum pals busses? I doubt it
So look off wagon
Sash - flipped
Krazy - flipped
Crimson - flipped
That leaves
Rogers - gamma declared this likely town
Gamma himself
Me
Performer
Hence the reason I asked him what his read on me was - he is not forthcoming with with either a scum-busser (outside the obvious) or his options off wagon for scum #3 - he has pretty much gotta scum read me or performer given the above PoE and I think given he couldn’t even say “I think you are ____” he hasn’t formulated a fake read so he deflected
Which makes n_m worth hanging on to for now
VOTE: gamma
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right the lesson from our pair game was sometimes dont try and survive if flipping me is pro town.In post 3249, Flavor Leaf wrote:Damn, Profii. That was scummy. Right after I went for Performer you did the exact only other option that could potentially get you two lynched in NM/Gamma
dont take me and gamma to lylo
either both scum bussed Crimson or one of us is scum.,-
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If you had said oh I’m reading you such and such I’d have given you the benefit of the doubt and said maybe you just didn’t do any poeIn post 3254, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Well excuuuuuse me princess for not making the connection to the wagon.In post 3244, profii wrote:
Gamma is saying it’s not likely Rogers is a neighbourIn post 3241, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.
This leaves him with little choice off wagon - ie if Gunsmith busses, do we think both scum pals busses? I doubt it
So look off wagon
Sash - flipped
Krazy - flipped
Crimson - flipped
That leaves
Rogers - gamma declared this likely town
Gamma himself
Me
Performer
Hence the reason I asked him what his read on me was - he is not forthcoming with with either a scum-busser (outside the obvious) or his options off wagon for scum #3 - he has pretty much gotta scum read me or performer given the above PoE and I think given he couldn’t even say “I think you are ____” he hasn’t formulated a fake read so he deflected
Which makes n_m worth hanging on to for now
VOTE: gamma
Or pointing the finger off wagon
But because you hesistated I asked myself why and that’s where it went
Of course both scum could have bussed but I that’s pretty ruthless although I suppose he was just a goon-
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imagine if the town gunsmith found KrazyIn post 3258, Creature wrote:Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?
then Rogers hard defends him due to hood pocketing for whatever was said in there.
could look really bad for those 2 if the town jumped to a conclusion-
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I'm quite happy to help you lynch performer today - just once that's done, if you believe scum was 1 on 1 off crimson wagon - which i reckon is likely (noting most of your combos agree) then dont let me and gamma stay in the game together too long. He's inability to commit to a read was highly telling to me.In post 3267, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Yeah, Performer/Profii is probably my leading suspected team.In post 3259, Almost50 wrote:
According to this, you think it's Performer and ... Profii???In post 3236, Flavor Leaf wrote:Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.
I mean, you've declared Rogers, Gamma, Naomi, Light & N_M as town reads. You and Creature are Masons, and I don't think you would consider me for scum today!! (Light also has no gun, so if N_M is town then Light is most likely mechanically cleared).
P-edit: Yes. The Gunsmith outs 2 PRs at the very least, if not leading to the lynch of one of them out of paranoia.
Performer/Profii
Performer/Gamma
Performer/NM
NM/Profii
Gamma/Light Ethos
NM/Light Ethos
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If we -knew- there was a doc I’d say let the doc protect off masons tonight - lose 1 - confirm the other, also meaning scum don’t accidentally shoot the doc. That also means we get
Another GS result
A proven inno tomorrow
If a doc exists we keep 1 inno for 2 more lynch phases minimum - taking us from 10 players to 6 - potentially 2v4 with an inno and a doc claim
There becomes a paranoia point later where Creature and FL are unconfirmed and we potentially can’t find scum
This post will make FL want to lynch me but I’m not bothered-
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Yeah my stance is I don’t think there is a (town) doc at all so we do thisIn post 3297, Light Ethos wrote:
I say we ride the Mason claim to the ground and just take the chance that we get beat by a good play. I think it's in our best interest to let that WIFOM play out with us voting away from both of them.In post 3296, profii wrote:There becomes a paranoia point later where Creature and FL are unconfirmed and we potentially can’t find scum-
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You’d like that wouldn’t youIn post 3298, Gamma Emerald wrote:Idea:
If we let NM live he has to agree to check one of (FL, Creature). I don’t see any way this doesn’t confirm the alignments of FL and Creature.-
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Oh yeah - n_m should post more - my badIn post 3304, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are you calling Not_Mafia the worst??!!!!!?!!?!?-
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Is anyone contemplating a setup where Krazy and Rogers were supposed to claim vig with each other
Then N_M and Sash were supposed to cast doubt over both claims potentially assuming either got results
I think that fits - then to factor in the masons - they become like a double vote as they may trust each other in PT then if say the scum side convince the masons of their vig claim it gives them essentially a double vote which could devastate town
So I’m saying Rogers and N_M without checking the wagons just on setup spec-
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Krazy is vig
IF Rogers is scum
They are neighbours
So when the setup was designed there was probably no mass claim in mind
So start of day 1 = 2 night kills = potential for Krazy & Rogers to both say “that was me” in relative private
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I think my play yesterday was Crim/TW//Krazy but Saudade was making so much noise about not lynching PR claims
I’m doing a lot of setup spec but I don’t actually know where to go today - I think it’s essential we pick a lynch which forces scum to also kill somewhere that helps PoE tomorrow
Gut feels is Performer would be no problem but need to check-
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I did it at least twice to draw the night kill - hard claim not cop obviouslyIn post 3352, Almost50 wrote:
@PL: How about we switch to profii? That's where Krazy was most suspicious going into the night and profii almost hinted cop while we now do have a flipped cop. What do you think?In post 3088, Krazy wrote:no third parties, while townies do sometimes fakeclaim vig to bait a nightkill, I don't think he would think me claiming vig at L-2 would be a vanilla townie claiming vig. I think if you're scum and you know I'm not scum then you know I'm vig, and profii is the only person who seemed to reach that conclusion and start playing around me at the time
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I alluded to being the cop to draw a nk
Rogers spotted a crumb from sash about sash being cop
We can’t both be cops, so why not suggest shoot all liars to Krazy in the PT
Now Rogers is saying he could tell I was messing about
Need to check exactly when I said I was messing because Rogers says my bit happened pre-Rogers entrance to the game - but so did sash crumb so...-
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In post 3113, profii wrote:
Right well the point was if I hinted cop I figured you would at least consider the possibility of me fake claiming and if I’m cop you’d probably know I’m copping you n1 every time so we can rule town for the rest of the gameIn post 3110, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I mean, sure. I’m probably the most likely to die, though, unless scum is outright terrified of Krazy.In post 3109, profii wrote:
Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of timesIn post 3102, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.
Krazy/Worst are more mislynchable than me right now, and Rogers is making sure that the claims are discredited.
So that’s 1 reason I don’t think you’d fake claim mason
Also it’s making me think Krazy clocked it and wants to kill me in case I cop him-
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Prior to the above postIn post 3375, Mister Rogers wrote:Oh aha -- I got it -- this is a syntax formatting thing!
Ok, so here let me translate:
Why didn't I make a big deal of your "obvcrumbing" and Sasha's genuine looking crumb?
First of all, you already admitted in thread that those were BS right? And they occurred before I even entered the game right?
But second of all, even if that were true, why would I trust that information to scum in the Q/T?
2100 was where I wanted to bait FL and that wasafteryou joined us-
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But this is the 4th postIn post 46, Sashaddin wrote:
It'a my first game outside of a newbie setting. How does a twitchy act?In post 34, FrankJaeger wrote:Scummy twitchy or towny twitchy
How is that a cop crumb-
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I defo wouldn’t do this as 1 of last 2 scumIn post 3445, Flavor Leaf wrote:I still feel it’s Performer/Profii
Performer can make the case because it’s his partner and he can see what’s scummy.
Distancing is definitely necessary I feel at This point for them anyways.
VOTE: performer
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Didnt NM say he was going to check FL?In post 3470, Creature wrote:Should I wait NM or not?
If he checked me that's great remove your vote and I'll enjoy inno status-
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FL does this - good deflection thoughIn post 3478, Creature wrote:If you were scum and someone else was being mislynched
Why would you claim you're mason with them?-
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well what we know is this
FL had no insider knowledge - his mason claim was risk reward based on his Creature read.
We also know Creature _knew_ FL was lying
We also know Creature was happy to survive and follow the lie
Imo the optimal play is to push back on the lie - either people go “wow wtf we better lynch FL” - ok we would have flipped a VT but there is no shame in flipping someone who is putting their own reads over the majority of players (given creature re was about to go)
But - at the same time _because_ creature pushed back on the lie - I’d trust him more
Because creature went with the lie and tried to ride it out - I don’t trust him-
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