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how do you tell that there's at least 2 towns? is it just that you don't think any of them are a maf & maf interaction or are they individual reads?In post 50, Flavor Leaf wrote:Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.-
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i don't think he gave the statistic as a reasoning, bc he never said he thinks you're townIn post 58, Garmr wrote:Dunn interests me actually. Instead of spouting a personal reason or just saying it was a rvs when I asked why they voted a town me, they just spouted a statics. It really didn't offer anything towards the game or develop anything. But to just flat out use a statics for reasoning in rvs is new to me.
it seemed just like a cheeky response to your "why are you voting town"
anyways, since you point it out as interesting - which alignment do you think it's more likely to be done as?-
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dunno if you're serious about this but if you think he's bussing why don't you vote him (:
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if you're talking specifically about dunn - i think it's NAI and i think you misread it as some sort of scumline which i don't think it isIn post 70, Garmr wrote: Was holding back since they didn't answer yet but others already mentioned it. But scum is what my gut says. What about yourself?
i'd rather have more content from them so i'm fine with you guys pushing him since it'll produce reads, but i don't think that part was scummy-
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whats the dichotomy between? them being all town or... idk? what's that part mean?In post 68, Flavor Leaf wrote: It’s kind of both, mixed in with what I know about each of their personalities.
I generally like to read people’s personalities in relation to alignment rather than straight up meta reads because I think it’s more efficient. Meta is a good complimentary tool, if you can read who the person is themselves in relation to alignment and what players they are attempting to put the moves on or genuineness, I find it easier to tone read.
Now, while I actively do town read the 3 of them, I am aware it is early game, and I could be wrong. For all I know one of them is scum attempting to look townie, as scum do, and I’ll look into further actions to cross against it.
Plus, I believe the game state of which the 3 of them are being pushed as town creates a nice dichotomy, don’t you think?
Scum’s turn to play.
from what I can understand, you're saying at least 2/3 because you townread each one of them?
I could probably just randomly pick 3 people and say that, and statistically, i'm probably right. i'm just curious why you chose to say 2/3 of them instead of just townreading them all individually
it just doesn't seem organic to look at a 3-person interaction and decide to say that at least 2/3 are town instead of reading them all individually and just saying "i think A and B are town, C is less towny" or something
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well it's not what I would say as mafia so guess i'm not mafiaIn post 141, Saudade wrote:that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia
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In post 172, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’ve been urinating on that thought, we’ll see.In post 170, Saudade wrote:do you want to vote january ?-
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idk ask me that when i'm mafiaIn post 156, Saudade wrote:
what would you say if you were mafia thenIn post 147, january wrote:
well it's not what I would say as mafia so guess i'm not mafiaIn post 141, Saudade wrote:that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia
^ but i guess that's what i would say as mafia too.. lol
jk i probably could have said something like that but i think(?) i'd be more likely to just say something along the lines of "wtf" or something asking why he thinks it's bussing-
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funny semantic thing but i feel like saying thisIn post 141, Saudade wrote:that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia
based on experience in like 8 games
town is more likely to say "that's what maf would do"
mafia is more likely to say "that's what i'd doas mafia"
not a read by any means but
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pretty sure "statistically correct" means in the absence of reads - like if someone picked any random 3 people and said at least 2 were townIn post 228, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Statistically correct? That’s a bold statement on page 5In post 123, Saudade wrote:
terrible post although statistically is correctIn post 50, Flavor Leaf wrote:Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.-
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answered this alreadyIn post 237, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw @january what’s your take on Robb’s replace out?
i think skitt/robb's slot is probably town, mostly because of rob's replace-out and less because of skitter-
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agreed with this, i like their startIn post 240, Flavor Leaf wrote:Gamma can go up to town. I’ve never seen them post like that towards me as scum
dunno how much stock to put into a meta read (i usually stay away from them as much as possible) but it seems towny on its own
disagree with thisFlavor Leaf wrote:January/Una/Maria is my early game solve.
i'd say i'm the scummiest out of the 3
but i liked una's start and (don't have any meta but) it seems like something scum wouldn't be comfortable doing, just pushing someone right out of the gate
it's similar to gamma's start, but i think it's even better
and maria hasn't said anything besides the single period... i'm guessing you just said that on PoE
but your reads seem to depend on just townreads and if someone's lurking or not present then it skews your reads a lot because they'll basically be automatically scum-
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it's really not lolIn post 273, Saudade wrote:
Your posts are very sweet january but being reactionary is a scum tellIn post 216, january wrote:promise i'll try to make real reads... eventually
i'm just reacting to things and trying to get interactions i guess
FL can you respond to 145 whenever you have time
by reacting i mean responding but that's basically the same thing?
i don't get why you're just quoting everything i say and saying "that's what scum would do" but ok-
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"reacting is a scum thing"In post 281, Saudade wrote: Good post
lol this is literally just a bunch of... reactions-
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thank you for posting this twice to make sure we saw it
why do you think that all the scum are on your wagon?
you did say you knew you were scummy, and there were a few of your reads/posts that i didn't like either
i wouldn't vote you for it but i don't think it was particularly opportunistic or scummy for Non and Una to vote you
tictac, maybe
i guess i get why you think they're scum independently, but i doubt all scum would be on 1 wagon-
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just to clarify, i do have mafia experience just not as much on this siteIn post 300, Flavor Leaf wrote:January’s just kinda cute newb townie, tbh. They felt like they were legit scummiest in the game, and I feel they were trying to be aware of it and fix it, and I don’t think scumJanuary does that ever. Dont think they’re bold enough yet, which makes sense. They don’t have the site experience to be comfortable doing that.
but uh
what makes you think that a newbie wouldn't think they were scummy
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first game i played i scumread town!skitter all the way up until only 3 people were left oopsIn post 313, Flavor Leaf wrote:townread ScumSkitter?
it was probably the sig + paranoia but i felt like it wasn't that hard to sort her
i do think i've given her slot a free pass on the robb replace out but i'll sort her later-
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huh it wasn't obvious at allIn post 390, Skellen wrote:I didn't liked her post in the beginning when she asked Garmr about Dunn. Admittedly I might have some bias with having some experience with Garmr, but I felt it was pretty clear what his opinion of Dunn was when he said how Dunn's answer didn't provided anything useful, so her question felt kind of pointless to me.
he basically said "huh that's new i've never seen anyone say that"
it sounded more of a "that's interesting but i'm not gonna make a read on it"
and from exp i think that's a scumtell because they're just pointing out things but avoiding making reads based on those things
so i asked him whether he was gonna make a read or just point it out-
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honestly of all the things you could have scumread me on i feel like that's a really strange choice
and not sure how it seemed obvious to you
is your experience with him that he just insinuates scumreads instead of saying them outright, bc i don't think that's the case?
and wrt 216, i have a habit of playing passive (for d1 at least) until i feel like i have some semblance of a solve
and i usually get scumread for it, so i'll always say something along the lines of "i'll make reads later"
so i guess i get why you think it's scummy but... it isn't-
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ow but thanks i guessIn post 394, MariaR wrote: Saudae and Jan feel pretty blindly stupid. I mean that in a good way though, like I don’t see an agenda in the posting. I think Tic tac looks pretty bad though.
what exactly do you mean by an agenda? do you think scum will have an agenda already?
and: do you think it's possible for town to have agendas too?
basically
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is this really a good question to ask...In post 403, Garmr wrote:Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?
the only thing it does is help you figure out whether they're actually mason buddies or not
i don't think any answer to that question will further the game
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naw i know that non basically claimed mason with mariaIn post 420, Garmr wrote: Yeah if Una is scum trying to tether herself to mariar or they are mason I can eliminate them from my lynch pool. I mean it was quite obviousunanon softed it out and it was pointed out by another player as well. I'm assuming people aren't blind enough to miss it after someone commented on it. Also if scum noticed it and they are masons they can avoid talking about it and just shoot one to test it out.
but i meant if maria answers then it'll probably make it easier for scum to read whether they're actually masons or not
n since i don't think it's worth giving that away now for 2 potential clears i'd rather just purposely leave that unsure for now i guess
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i should be sleeping or studying now but oopsIn post 481, Non lmh wrote:jan, is your strongest townread Una?
idts, where'd you get that idea?
FL is probably strongest TR atm
but una's second rn i think
where's your gamesolve i thought you were gonna say it-
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thoughts on FL bc i feel like he has the most stuff i want to respond to
he was setting up to claim whatever it is he's claiming from the very beginning
bc his reads before the claim were pretty bad and from what he's saying he was trying to get a reaction w/ purposely bad reads
i don't he'd have made those reads unintentionally so i believe this
and i don't see scum purposely forcing themselves to claim a pr role
i think the play is for a kinda eh strategy but its more to catch other people's reactions so i guess it works-
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i read better on interactions and i have only interacted with like half of the players here
but here are reads so far:
--towny--
FL
Saudade
Una * upon reread I'm not really sure why I townread them earlier before reading their last 2 posts bc those are towny
--nulltown--
Garmr
skitter
Skellen
--nullnull--
Non imh * kinda towny for some reason but I can't justify putting him in the higher level with his 9 posts lol. oh and I want an explanation of reads
Gamma
wake
--scummy null--
Dunn
Maria * i really want an answer to my question and I think it'll make a big difference for sorting but I won't say why until they answer
--scummy--
tictac * last game I played w/ him he was supertown so I might be comparing
someone pls ask me something so i can converse
this game's kinda weird because I feel like I have more scumleans than I usually do at this point-
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i'll check up on that game afterIn post 582, skitter30 wrote:Spoiler:
@january, from a different game ^^
flavor started playing the game on his mortality alt, and then switched to pretentious; it's all him tho
he is utterly capable of doing just this as scum
but i was more townreading him for setting up the claim earlier with the "bad reads"
i can definitely see him claiming as mafia and that game supports that
but i felt like this game he cornered himself into claiming so he planned it before the game even started
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tbh in the newbie i marked tictac as town for that one meta read and then everything else he said was just town in confirmation biasIn post 597, skitter30 wrote:
did you read my post about fl?In post 593, january wrote:this game's kinda weird because I feel like I have more scumleans than I usually do at this point
i'm not sure tictac is scummy here; i feel like their play here is comparable to the newbie, actually
why do you like garmr ?
also just operating on memory atm but i'll definitely go back to that game later
but anyways..
couple things - him voting me because he thinks saudade was bussing me is... weird
and just felt like his votes were way too jumpy
and the walls just don't feel as towny as i remember they did in the newbie-
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@FLIn post 596, january wrote: what was the point of claiming right there?
i don't think anyone was following skitter on voting you
and also what's the point of PT cop if you're disloyal? isn't any disloyal investigative role already basically a cop-
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him floundering with the "pseudo" thing mostlyIn post 597, skitter30 wrote: why do you like garmr ?
its not the actual claiming of "pseudo confirmed town" or whatever, but mostly the responses after he gets questioned
and the crumbing thing about joking - although i'm not sure why that's necessary... obviously you're not serious about being confirmed town
but ok
and this is kinda a weird take but his posts just feel unfiltered and i think maf is usually at least a little bit careful with editing mistakes
partially his fight w robb
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yeah butIn post 614, skitter30 wrote: first sentence: i think it kinda makes sense if he has experience with scum!saudade where, out of the blue, saudade lolvoted a partner and tunneled him
if i was in his position and actually thought that, then i think i'd be more likely to vote saudade
unless i was worried about saudade flipping onto me or something like that
like it's easier for maf to fake a svs interaction than it is for town to get out of it
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FL's a fellow ego player (:In post 612, Flavor Leaf wrote: I was annoyed because of the noise comment and I needed to prove it for ego centric reasons.
not sure it was a good idea to claim that but its probably still a fake claim so no comment
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what..In post 619, Non lmh wrote:yeah, fl-jan-una is my solve,, GE has a false positive on fl
k, I had fun, lynch me,, LYNCH ME
if you're town, LYNCH ME, but only if you're really town
VOTE: Non-
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+1In post 701, Dunnstral wrote:Non lmh's play is pretty gross
FL you said you have meta
did non play like this last game
(yeah ik i can check it just takes too much time atm, and i kinda want your take on it anyways)-
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i reread the newbie game (viewtopic.php?t=81110&f=50 if anyone wants it i guess)In post 597, skitter30 wrote: i'm not sure tictac is scummy here; i feel like their play here is comparable to the newbie, actually
and i do think at least tictac's walls this game seem somewhat consistent
i guess i just had some vague impression that they were different i guess
so this part of my gut read is wrong i guess
but in that game i felt like tictac was infinitely more active
in terms of post counts too (mostly NAI i think), but more like pushing on ppl and trying to get answers to questions and stuff
this game feels a lot more reactive and lacks the active pushing stuff and i feel like that's how tictac would play as scum
i guess it could be that this is a larger game? i'll try to find something else to compare w/
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so far all my scumreads in my two games have been wrong so i'm kinda hesitant to actually make one
but there's definitely a different tone in this game and i don't think his play here is consistent with the newbie
i tend to make townreads and and scumread based on PoE better
i guess probability-wise it's more likely to have a correct townread but.. eh
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didn't realize FL said he's not coming back lol
this isn't consistent lol
so i'm gonna say he's faking it and i have no idea why he'd do it as town OR mafiaIn post 643, Flavor Leaf wrote:I got an ego, but I’ll put the game victory over everything still.
now come back and explain thx (:-
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yeah butIn post 771, Gamma Emerald wrote:He only said it’s for the day phase
he's currently got the most votes on him
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it feels to me like annoyed town, but it's also something very easily fake-able as scumIn post 771, Gamma Emerald wrote: I feel like he does that a lot actually, maybe it’s a meta lead I can try
but it seems weird to me that FL's said he's not putting his ego above the game... and then puts his ego above the game
and i don't see why scum would just let themselves get wagoned
so he's either a nonexistent third party or he's faking it and i want to know why
i do townread FL for earlier stuff but definitely not to the point of defending a wagon on him when he's not even here
we don't need 3.5 people that refuse to contribute today-
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skit - i read some parts of the game you mentioned where FL claimed PR as maf
hindsight's 20/20 and i'm really really bad at ignoring it, but the claim in that game seems a lot worse than the claim in this game
and he hasn't said anything about
1. being too scummy to be scum
or 2. not claiming this particular role as mafia
i realize that his playstyle changes... literally every game
but how much of your fos on him do you think is just paranoia
i realize i could be 100% wrong here and i know i have a particular difficulty lynching players with bigger presences (idk exactly how to explain this but it's like.. reputation + high activity)
if i'm being played then ... idk i'll probably get laughed at but whatever
i know i'm paranoid and it's really tempting to just lynch him in case he's scum so i can say "u didn't trick me i caught you"
but at that point it's just a policy lynch and i'd rather wait til there's actually a reason to scumread him (pretty sure it'll probably be PoE if it happens)-
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i hate finals week but i'll be free soon to do more useful stuff i promise
i am currently willing to lynch tictac or maria
i said earlier that i was waiting for a response from maria about the agenda thing
and the response seems very forced to me
i think it's way too easy for scum to just not have an agenda especially early game
i don't think you can make a read based on basically RVS that has to do with agendas
and i don't think a read that says saudade and i are town for not having an agenda makes any sense
if anything i'm pretty sure saudade had an agenda in voting me, whether he's town or maf
and i don't think i even interacted enough with him to warrant the townread on me?-
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