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[Datisi]

or, i remember my train of thought. why i'm thinking a roleblocker would be town is because Aaron died. if the RB was scum, why didn't they just keep blocking Aaron (a shady slot with horrible associates with the scumflip) and kill elsewhere? with Micc and Icon alive there's a good chance that lynch would've gotten through. Even better if Micc isn't scum.

pedit: no, that would be an alien

[Datisi]

And the idea would be that if the cop claimed D1 relying on the doc then the rolestopper (the actual protective) wouldn’t target them because they wouldn’t wanna block the doc

if a rolestopped targeted the cop, the cop would've also been protected from the mafia nightkill so
it wouldn't have mattered that the doc's protection didn't go through
when the nightkill can't either

which is if slaxx is telling the truth what was supposed to have happened last night but Aaron still died
so i'm saying
if town!Slaxx, either Slaxx was blocked (unlikely imo) or scum has a strongman

[Datisi]

well yes, IF mist was informed of Town having a rolestopper, that's like the only scenario i can see the RB being scum
but i still doubt it tbh

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
perhaps. I still want all slots to actually participate today.

because Aaron died, i said so before
like it depends on that one specific scenario that scum was (1) informed of the existence of the rolestopper (2) realized it's Slaxx
which i'm very
eh
on

pedit: i thought if we had a vig we would've had a kill by now
also i don't think bomb is normal either

[Datisi]

Ah yeah, sorry. I usually call him Mist since I think i read somewhere he prefers that nickname.

What's your opinion on the whole roleblocker/rolestopper mumbo jumbo?

[Datisi]

Out of curiosity, where did you crumb protective? Or was it the "i'm gonna bite the bullet for the real protective and look like one"?

[Datisi]

You think scum Roleblocker blocks Slaxx? As opposed to Icon?

And I'm very conflicted there because I'm still very not clear on your slot but I wanna know what's going on w Icon lmao

[Datisi]

Rolestopper wasn't claimed att he time though, but I guess

[Datisi]

menal you seem to forget cryus game.

mafi gon?

also I'm reskimming EoD1 and i just ran into this post and it made me laugh

[Datisi]

why the hell would scum!Mena be calling Chem town before deadline tho

while

voting bob

of all things

i'm back to "idk wtf is happening i'mma just sheep my TRs"

[Datisi]

bob, would you mind giving us a readslist or smt?

[Datisi]

You do know he's not saying that's the only team ever that NKs GL, right?

[Datisi]

He was expanding on his TR on me. GL kill doesn't make too much sense from scum!me (since GL was TRing me) unless you're my partner.

Unless of course you wanna entertain the wifom/lock-in a TR theory.

[Datisi]

I am very curious wtf is going on. But let me actually get back to you on that once icon catches up. Ultimately it's up to him to decide if there's any use for claiming.

[Datisi]

I feel like those sentences are broken grammatically, i should prob sleep hmm

[Datisi]

the roleblocker didn't target you

Ooooh this is spicy

I'll get to other questions in a bit

Also i think i don't know what you are anymore

[Datisi]

What does combined mean?

[Datisi]

If the roleblocker is scum, no.

[Datisi]

Page 100 pagetop yeet
Okay I'm gonna go get coffee now brb

[Datisi]

I'm a combined tracker follower*/watcher.

I saw aaron perform a role investigative action on N1 on emps.

I saw a player (that is not slaxx) perform a roleblocking type of action on N2 on a player (that is not slaxx)

Wait, I'm slow
If you saw Aaron perform an action on N1
Does that mean he couldn't have been Roleblocked?

[Datisi]

He corrected himself into a follower

[Datisi]

Furthermore, did you see anyone visiting Aaron on N1?

[Datisi]

And you didn't see anyone visit Aaron on N1?

[Datisi]

Icon if you're town lying about any part of your claim i heavily suggest saying so right now

[Datisi]

are you a comibed follower/watcher or a combined follower/tracker then???

[Datisi]

if you were anyone else i'd be screaming "scum" right now

pedit: this was @ico

[Datisi]

ok bji's questions real quick:

Ah. I was SRing Looker for the entirety of Day 1, so... kinda?

Are you saying you are no longer SRing Looker? If so, what changed your mind?

i do SR Looker *independetly*
but i think their associates with bugs spew them town
and i'm going to trust the latter

Mist replaced into med mafia into a scum slot, and did pretty much nothing. Once he replaced in here and started Efforting(tm), i thought he could be Town here purely due to the contrast. That's why I'm saying, emps feels different here than he did in med mafia too (where he was town), but I don't have a good track record of that.

Datisi, at what point are you going to stop making arguments based on meta? Because I find them completely uninteresting. I do not know the meta you are talking about, I am not going to read games at your direction to try to acquire this meta information, so it's all white noise for me. And should be white noise really for everyone since no one should be convinced by arguments about meta.

probably never
they're not for you, they're for me
i might find it easier to sort a certain player through meta than through current gameplay
if i have an argument i want you to understand i would explain it

[Datisi]

if you were anyone else i'd be screaming "scum" right now

That's lame. So you give only Ico free passes? Why?

no
my point was
iconeum is trully horrible with mechanics
and him fucking up the name of his own role, TWICE, is something i would usually condemn on a different player
but i know town!ico is very very capable of that

[Datisi]

town!icon is very capable of fucking a claim up like this
like
extremely capable lmao

[Datisi]

Does forgetting scum can no kill (both as town AND as scum) count? that's the only thing i can think of off the top of my head

[Datisi]

ok lemme just recap because my tired brain is still having a hard time

icon is claiming a town combined tracker/follower

n1 aaron - role investigative action used on emps
n2 ??? - blocking action used on menalque

and i was thinking icon is a gunsmith lmfao

[Datisi]

he never had follower/watcher results tho
those are follower/tracker

[Datisi]

what the fuck is this setup

what the FUCK is this setup

yeah icon's play makes no fucking sense as scum
if he's found 2 stronk town PRs
the fuck is he doing lmao

[Datisi]

no? i am still curious about that vague post you made at Looker

[Datisi]

bji, are you calling out things you think could be scum!indicative or are you just nitpicking about other people making possibly bad plays?

[Datisi]

If the only explanation possible that meets normal guidelines is that I’m ascetic then lynch me today and icon tomorrow. I’ve got a pile of questions out to the mod to confirm my understanding of how normal roles work, but unless I learn something new, icon has to be lying.

it's not the only explanation? i think its the most logical one seeing what's flipped and claimed already

if emps got alien'd or something, i would also still see aaron doing his stuff on emps and he'd get no result

would you see aaron doing his stuff if aaron got rbed/alien'd?

[Datisi]

okay
i've got three different tabs open with stuff about normal games and i still don't get this
if i'm right on my mechanics there's a very high chance one of Slaxx/Micc/Icon is lying
and I really don't think it's Icon

icon, how sure are you on town!Mena? At this point i think i'm just proxying my vote to you today

pedit: not if he's combined
unfortunately the wiki page for combined doesn't exist
hmmm

[Datisi]

Great.

You also think Sky is town too?

[Datisi]

okay
if you're telling the truth about a RBer targetting Mena last night, does that count as a soft clear? since a kill still went off? though there is a chance he's the scum not performing the kill i guess

[Datisi]

Hmm ok
Thinking about this a bit more, there should be another interfering role other than the Roleblocker and the Rolestopper because otherwise N1 doesn't add up

What is this game

[Datisi]

I'm thinking if there's a point on massclaim
Not sure yet

[Datisi]

I don't know
Currently brainstorming mech explanations first
Because there's currently 2 things unexplained about N1

I think out of the two we lynch Micc but i can't tell for sure atm

Will be back in a few hours

[Datisi]

I am glad we agree on something Mena

[Datisi]

Bob how is that readslist coming along

[Datisi]

So you agree icon is town yes

[Datisi]

Combined is one of the modifiers on the normal wiki page

[Datisi]

If Aaron was RBed icon wouldn't have seen him use his investigation

[Datisi]

I'm pretty sure it's not
On mobile atm but i think i read on the wiki it's not

[Datisi]

On the wiki for ascetic

An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill. A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors, even though they would not be seen if they were directly roleblocked.

They would not have been seen is directly roleblocked

[Datisi]

Yes lmao
Icon saw someone use a blocking action on you

[Datisi]

datisi what did you wanna see resolved from N1?

If i say what the mech inconsistency i noticed is then scum can theoretically play around that

[Datisi]

Can we chill for a second though
I still want sky's catchup today

[Datisi]

mena, do you still think slaxx makes sense as scum only if micc!scum?

[Datisi]

i want to post but my internet keeps dying help

anyway
i'm not sure scum!slaxx claims to have rolestopped Aaron? Because they he's locked in a claim of having been roleblocked, and if we assume town!RB then it's just a 1v1
and his slot is not in a good shape to win it

i think if we're lynching between those two then Micc should logically go first

[Datisi]

i think 2rbs would be sort of dumb because night action resolution would be even more of a mess

i have a theory of what scum has that both (1) makes both the roleblocker and the rolestopper town and (2) explains one of the two inconsistencies i noticed with the resolution of night 1

it would have to have been a very specific PR that targeted specific targets on both nights but it's at least in the realm of possible i think

[Datisi]

i'm thinking about it
it's much of a tinfoil theory
but as i said before saying what i suspect happened could give scum a way to play around it

that's why i was interested in a possible massclaim, becuase i am almost 100% that scum has another PR

pedit: excellet argument

[Datisi]

okay i literally just typed up my theory then realized that if i'm *right* scum would get info out of it

this comes either at massclaim or never i think

what is this monstrosity of a setup

[Datisi]

lmao

i miss day 1

[Datisi]

i hate responsibility

can we wait until everyone has checked in at least or smt lmao

[Datisi]

for post game
icon if you're scum i'm goign to literally fucking kill you
ok continue

[Datisi]

the more i think about it the more i want a massclaim
becuase i thought icon's claim cleared some things up but it's also sprung up other questions

can others chime in on this? massclaim?

[Datisi]

Eh, i guess. might be useful determining 1v1s or smt. though i'm unsure if we do it today or tomorrow if we're most likely lynching micc today *anyway*?

pedit: maybe i'd put bob before menal but t b h i don't think it makes too much of a difference?

[Datisi]

alrighty then

if anyone's got any good arguments as to why we shouldn't do this speak fast

aight cool

pedit: yep

[Datisi]

Bob first

[Datisi]

Quality fuckin pagetop right there

[Datisi]

Shut

[Datisi]

bob - VT
Menal - VT
bji
sky
looker
datisi

[Datisi]

Yes, massclaim is full role/modifiers/actions/results/social security number

Slaxx, got anything unclaimed?

[Datisi]

bob - VT
Menal - VT
bji - VT
sky
looker
datisi

sky?

[Datisi]

Sky, how's the catchup going?

And also hi this game is a mess

[Datisi]

I would hope so yes

[Datisi]

oh boy oh boy
ok hello

mysterious

Town Roleblocker

here

blocked Aaron N1
blocked Menalque N2

[Datisi]

now, i kinda fucked up
i mean obviously i fucked up by blocking the cop aye but i also fucked up because i thought that since i blocked the cop icon wouldn't have been able to see the cop visit his target
which
is not quite the case

[Datisi]

icon why did you track me n2
not doubting you just genuinely curious

and also what was the thing that looker being town depended on for you

pedit: yes i know
that's why i was freaking out yesterday
1) why didn't aaron get a result and 2) who ate my roleblock

but it appears the night action resolution is just completely fucked up in this game so kek

[Datisi]

now here comes the grand question
why didn't the rolestop save aaron
because i didn't block slaxx on n2 (even if you believe i'm a scum RB then you'd have to think icon is scum too and is lying about tracking me)
and i don't think scum has a RB considering i'm one

[Datisi]

like yesterday i thought scum might have an alien or some shit because that would explain why 1) my roleblock disappeared on n1 and 2) why slaxx's protection failed but
my roleblock didn't actually disappear so

[Datisi]

what was the thing micc posted that made you think town?

[Datisi]

informed cop
tracker/follower
roleblocker
rolestopper
ascetic townie

vs

informed doctor activated ascetic

what the fuck

[Datisi]

scum!looker still doesn't make sense because i really don't think bugs jumps in like that and pushes a buddy

[Datisi]

i think if we hit scum today then through the combined powers of roleblocker and follower/tracker we could brute force this or come close to it at least

[Datisi]

there's just one thing bothering the fk out of me wrt scum!slaxx

pedit: no i don't think mena is scum anymore
plus the softclear

[Datisi]

I mean my vote on looker was based off of datisi's case which you've just said is your town read. I still think Looker is scum even now after hammer.

this is part of the post that was posted after mena's fakehammer on bugs
and later on wilky commented that he didn't know it was a fakehammer
does a buddy of bugs really post this after then think bugs is hammered?
like it seems like such a convoluted play
like
what

[Datisi]

ok but someone has to be bullshitting because why is aaron dead

[Datisi]

i think i would be inclined to go slaxx there actually
like i've been thinking does scum!slaxx actually hint at being an interfering role and thinking there's no roleblocker when scum!him would KNOW that is the case and that there is one but
wtf is that night action claim

[Datisi]

agh idk micc just seems so confused and i kinda want to believe that is town!confused
but also GL made it clear to sort that slot before lylo

[Datisi]

how clear are we on sky!town exactly

[Datisi]

like it was fine but i've had slots like that that i put as town and then not really move and they flip scum
maybe i'm just annoyed at the fact she's again not playing the game

mena, mind giving me a tldr for that slot!town again?

[Datisi]

also i am so annoyed because i was origially blocking Pine on N1
and i shit you not changed the action to Aaron less than an hour before deadline
l o l

[Datisi]

shut up
what influenced me was your post saying "ooooo aaron and datisi both jumped away from chem onto looker MuSt bE ScUm tHeRe"

[Datisi]

there's one good thing to come out all of this tbh

i won't be alive in lylo

[Datisi]

I can't
And i think if micc flips red then we're golden
However if micc is green and there's a possibility Slaxx is a scum Rolestopper then we've got a problem

[Datisi]

P sure Rolestopper trumps Roleblocker
If slaxx is a scum RS i can't block a kill

[Datisi]

You're forgetting that in the first scenario every time a kill fires i have a clear
Idk if it's auto but it's probably close

[Datisi]

P sure Rolestopper trumps Roleblocker
If slaxx is a scum RS i can't block a kill

i don't get it

Scum!slaxx rolestops his partner
His partner does the kill
I can't do shit about it

[Datisi]

The matter is, either slaxx is scum or scum has some sorta blocker/strongman
So
Idk

[Datisi]

Doc was for the cop
Cop was informed there is "a" doc in game

[Datisi]

Cop was informed there is "a" doc in game

The point was cop thinks he can play follow the cop as the doc will protect him
But he can't because the doc is scum

Which also makes me want to lynch slaxx because another protective in this scenario is ?????

[Datisi]

Cop was informed there is "a" doc in game

The point was cop thinks he can play follow the cop as the doc will protect him
But he can't because the doc is scum

Which also makes me want to lynch slaxx because another protective in this scenario is ?????

The more I think about this the more i think slaxx is a scum Rolestopper lmao
Like
Like
Bruh

[Datisi]

Bob
Do you understand that the Town cop was informed of the existence of "a" Doctor

[Datisi]

Aaron was informed of the existence of a Doc specifically to fuck woth follow the cop
Having a Town Rolestopper (essentially a doctor) negates the whože thing
Just
Lynch slaxx

[Datisi]

Aaron was informed of the existence of a Doc specifically to fuck with follow the cop
Having a Town Rolestopper (essentially a doctor) negates the whole thing
Just
Lynch slaxx

God the typos

[Datisi]

Idk
But we can check a minimum of 2 people
While having a few mislynches

[Datisi]

I also don't think micc/slaxx are s/s
And emps on play is horrible but slaxxs role doesn't make sense as a town role in this setup i think

[Datisi]

If we lynch Slaxx and he greens then i don't think there's a point in saying who we're targeting

If he's red then i say who i target (and if there's a kill that person is confirmed town), i don't think Icon needs to

[Datisi]

Give me a few until i get to a PC
If I'm right on my math and slaxx is scum then we have a minimum of 5 checks - either via PR or Lynch

So we'd need 3 town members, and just lynch/block/track everyone else

[Datisi]

We haven't yet decided on this though
Because if slaxx is town then that means there's some strongman/blocking scum fuckery
Though I'll prob be dead in that case so lol

[Datisi]

if we lynch

slaxx

today and he flips

scum

- a mechanical look into the future

8 people alive - ico, dats, mena, micc, bob, bji, sky, looker

we can clear 2 people via PR stuff - either i block someone, i die, and ico has a clear, or i block someone, ico dies, and i block someone again

day 4 - final 7 - lynch 1 person
day 5 - final 5 - lynch 1 person
day 3 - 3p lylo - lynch 1 person

so we can clear 2 people via PR, and 3 people via Lynch

if we assume everyone here trusts that icon and i are upstanding members of the Town

2 (ico/dats) + 2 (PR clear) + 3 (lynch) = 7
we can clear 7 people in total
the entire playerslist containing one scum has 8 players

(unless some bullshit like ninja/strongman but i highly highly doubt it)

someone checc my math pls tho

[Datisi]

which other claims, exactly?

[Datisi]

1. Datisi's roleblock on Aaron did not stop Icon's track/follow from giving a result, but Aaron still received NO RESULT.

This is not a contradiction btw
Because icon would still see the unsuccessful cop investigation even though Aaron was blocked

[Datisi]

Good luck with that, Micc.

[Datisi]

ok my response to Slaxx would be sorta

okay? i fucked up by blocking Aaron. Good job. Like at the time of night one, he was one of the more suspect slots having been pushing Looker instead of chemist. It *made sense*. The fact he just so turned out to be the goddamn Cop is a different story.

like earlier you literally said you think me and Icon are town
and now you're sorta weird backtracking that by calling out my *in retrospect* bad NA choice? Which at the time I think made perfect sense?

and it's not only "setup spec"
your slot was pushing looker while hiding behind my case
we've been discussing how many scum were on wagon and your name was coming up
like your lynch would definitely not be a "setup spec lynch"

[Datisi]

oh yeah that
icon literally never misread his result
he called his role by the wrong name but he never misread his result
and considering he knew both (1) what action i used (follower) and (2) who i targeted (tracker) he's not fakeclaiming

[Datisi]

@slaxx

because, in a game i recently modded, scum!emps got blocked by a town roleblocker and got lynched the day afterwards. I thought that if emps rolled scum here there was no way in hell he was doing the kill after that happened, especially after GL kept insisting emps never makes it to endgame is bugs flips red.

mechanically, Icon's role is confirmed because he, again, knew WHO i targeted and WHAT i did. "well he can be a scum tracker/follower." iconeum was THE driving force behind the bugs wagon. he is not scum in this game. I've played against scum!icon. This ain't it, chief. this ain't it.

ah yes, you mean me going from saying Aaron is my strongest SR at the start of Day 2 to literally doing anything i possibly can to divert away from his lynch once he claimed?

also, if you want a crumb, i've got that too.

[Datisi]

Me before Aaron claimed Cop:

Spoiler:

datisi who's your top scumread right now?

probably Aaron.

pedit: that's a lotta ifs my dude, i don't know

Me after Aaron claimed Cop:

Spoiler:

Oh cool.

Since we have mislynches to spare, I don't think lynching the claimed Cop is optimal anyway. Either they die at Night or get lynched tomorrow - if they're Town we get to use a result, provided they're not RBed again.

This is as simple as it should be actually.

Then why are you voting Aaron lol

Since we have mislynches to spare, I don't think lynching the claimed Cop is optimal anyway. Either they die at Night or get lynched tomorrow - if they're Town we get to use a result, provided they're not RBed again.

Aaron and emps both habe dogshit associates with flipped scum
One of them, if Town, can give us a result
No harm in lynching emps>aaron
This is not difficult

We are not lynching the person that can give us the result tomorrow

Literally the only difference going emps>aaron or aaron>emps is that we lose a cop result if aaron is town

Then we don't waste a lynch on the cop with is literally +++++Town?

Which*
Like i have no problems lynching Aaron tomorrow if emps greens and Aaron is alive
But it's MASSIVELY suboptimal today

Please get your vote off the cop claim lel

to tell you the truth i do believe your claim. A Cop who is informed of a Doctor, so he safely comes out after he has a guilty and thinks to himself "I'll get protected" only to then get killed anyway because the Doc is scum? that's bloody brilliant. However, again, it doesn't matter much what I think

[Datisi]

also i just noticed this perspective slip lmao

Oh cool.

Since we have mislynches to spare, I don't think lynching the claimed Cop is optimal anyway. Either they die at Night or get lynched tomorrow - if they're Town we get to use a result,

provided they're not RBed again.

[Datisi]

Ugh I'm so lost with all these role claims.

What is an 'ascetic vanilla town' for?

All night actions, except for kills, fail on an Ascetic Townie

[Datisi]

it's a cold and it's a broken

WALUIGI

[Datisi]

Also, if there is a strongman, which there probably is given Dats claim that I believe, then RBing is not going to be effective. You should be using Ico to focus on finding guilties.

comment on mechanics bc i'm too tired rn to proprely focus on Gameplay(tm)

if scum has a stronkman Ico is a dead dragon tonight

so that's not possible

[Datisi]

I'm agreeing w all your posts on the last page and I can't tell if I'm tunneling or not yay

[Datisi]

Hmm?

[Datisi]

even if slaxx is scum, micc is unlikely to be the partner

and if it's not micc

then who?

If that is the case
Then we literally have 5 shots to figure it out within a pool of 6 people

I'll agree that things could get very very ugly if slaxx greens though

[Datisi]

other than slaxx himself? i don't think anyone is
with a note that bji and sky are barely present rn

[Datisi]

If they were to be put in lists. Thats roughly were my reads are right now

ico, looker
bjj, sky
datisi
slaxx, menal
micc

hmmm

i can't tell bob's thoughts from his recent questioning of slaxx tho
idk if i can ever tell what his thoughts are lol

[Datisi]

Icon and Dat are town I am pretty sure. Dat for the GL mindmelding and Icon for the D1 wagon formations.

Still think Looker is probably town too...?

Keep in mind Icon, unless the roleblocker is limited use I cannot save you tonight. I'm leaving it to you how to go about revealing whatever info you have.

If Dats is scum they had GL pocketed D1. If they were deepwolfing you’d think they might go PR hunting instead.

Meh. This feels maybe TvT.

Otherwise Dati has GL pocketed so why kill him?

But then again Icon is town by associatives so..

--- ~* intermission *~ ---

If y’all gonna lynch me on setup spec be my guest lol

When I flip town though people need to seriously reconsider the other claims because I sense some fuckery. And don’t lynch off setup spec after me.

which other claims, exactly?

Yours and Icons.

No clue why my play is under fire here. I made the right call last night and softed both protective and rolestop yesterday during the day phase. Meanwhile, you roleblocked aaron instead of emps N1 and Icon misread his result, and somehow my existence in this game is suspect? Screw that. I don’t know why you all are giving each other the benefit of the doubt but refusing to extend that to me as well, despite my play being way more rational and consistent than either of you.

now, i kinda fucked up
i mean obviously i fucked up by blocking the cop aye but i also fucked up because i thought that since i blocked the cop icon wouldn't have been able to see the cop visit his target
which
is not quite the case

This really makes more sense than my play? Are we ready to commit to that?

[Datisi]

does this make any sense
kept insisting both you and i are town
when we said "hey the rolestopper kinda doesn't make sense, the night action target is weird and the results are contradictory, and slaxx's slot has bad associates maybe we should lynch there" it turned into "you're lynching me off setup spec, investigate the other two claims there's some fuckery there"

[Datisi]

i actually thought quite the opposite
if your two strongest Townreads suddenly turn on you because of arguably valid reasons
is your first thought to go "yep setup spec lynch there's scum there i sense fuckery"

of course all of this would be much easier if everyone played the game

[Datisi]

town slaxx means scum has some way of piercing through a blocking ability which makes me next to useless (unless it was a 1s strongman which we can't know)
but that again seems like such design that makes the scum Doctor literally pointless?

though at this point i'm afraid of making any assumptions about this game

[Datisi]

Start thinking on who you want blocked if slaxx is red.

[Datisi]

You think slaxx/menal?

[Datisi]

Yall, tell me who you think would be the partner / who you want IC'd

[Datisi]

Yall, tell me who you think would be the partner / who you want IC'd

any clear in (menal/micc/bji) would be pretty sweet i think

Mena, what do you think
Who do i block if slaxx!scum

[Datisi]

The thing is i don't think you're scum so from my pov it's kinda wasted
But i also know you are a semi easy push in this state so
Hmm

Pedit: is not
Just don't target me, Looker, or my target

[Datisi]

I do, but others don't
And I'll be dead when it will matter

[Datisi]

And GL said to check emps...

Okay
Unless i overrule this later
If slaxx flips scum i am blocking Micc. If I die, Micc is confirmed Town.

[Datisi]

Icon, you track anyone other than me, micc, Looker
Most likely one of us dies tonight

[Datisi]

Datisi you should probably call who you track if slaxx!town too, in case you die first

Think about what you've just said

[Datisi]

Btw my target isn't set in stone yet
Because i kinda doubt both micc and slaxx are scum together
So I'm open to hearing other opinions

[Datisi]

Agh, idk, yesterday slaxx was pushing for micc quite a bit
And i can't remember if it gave partnery or nonpartnery feels
Not like i can usually read it

[Datisi]

But i also wanna deadsheep GL bc he smort

[Datisi]

errrmmmm

you do know the point in figuring out who the town roleblocker is going to target in case the second-to-last scum is lynched today, right?

[Datisi]

and also like
from town!you pov
you know (1) scum is hella stronk and (2) that town is royally fucked once you're lynched
what are you doing

[Datisi]

rolestopper is also a counter to the roleblocker

also also if he's scum you do know he doesn't have to claim his exact role with the word "town" slapped on it

for all we know he could be a goon bullshitting here

not saying how likely or unlikely that is bc i'm a bit braindead atm but

just saying

[Datisi]

Probable conversation in the NRG:

-Duck: Ali give me a setup with a lot of power roles that interfere with each other so i can laugh at these plebs trying to solve shit
-Ali: ok i can give you an investigative vs a rolestopper or a combined tracker/follower vs a couple ascetics. which one do you want?
-Duck: yes perfect and make them informed plz

i am literally laughing to tears rn

[Datisi]

plan for Slaxx townflip:
- icon and dats target whoever they want to even though it probably won't matter because scum is packed
- god help us all

[Datisi]

Because it’s not going to be my problem. It’s going to be yours.

not quite
town loses together
if you're town you're tanking the winrate%

[Datisi]

hmmm
ico, you've played with bob before right
how good are his reads usually

[Datisi]

I want bji and sky to give us *something* before the day ends.

Also, Micc, thoughts on my target if slaxx!scum?

[Datisi]

I agree with targeting me. If slaxx flips mafia rolestop then your N2 roleblock looks mostly clearing on Menalque.

How? I was thinking the other way around - if Slaxx flips Mafia Rolestopper then my N2 softclear on Menalque is literally worthless. (I still think he's Town, but mechanically it's worthless.)

If slaxx flips goon then scum likely have a the equivalent of a ungated strongman and I don’t think your RB matters.

Again, not sure how you got here. The Town Power would still be Tracker/Follower, Informed Cop, Roleblocker, Ascetic - you think it justifies an ungated Strongman?
Actually now that i type it out i'm not so sure anymore. This setup is a headache.

[Datisi]

A Mafia aligned Rolestop quite literally *is* a way to fight through a Town RB.

Anyway. This game is a game. Still taking input for my tonight's target if Slaxx flips red. For now still Micc. I think I go nap now. Be well all.

[Datisi]

I mean, blocking Sky is a possibility. But I still want to believe that UP is town, plus i do think it would be good to have Micc's slot resolved. Basically I'm hoping to have Sky contribute before EoD for now.

Also if someone lolhammers this again, you are seriously damaging my nerves
So pls don't

[Datisi]

for one second i thought you hammered

do tell why bob tho

[Datisi]

but honestly Slaxx just feels quite town to me.

I haven't read your case yet (am skimming, a bit busy atm) but could you go into this in the meantime? What is your opinion of Slaxx's reactions to my and Icon's push?

[Datisi]

i think slaxx + 1 in (menal/micc) solves this or close to

Highly doubt this frankly

[Datisi]

No offense taken, I'm realistic about the extent of my skill

Comment on the entirety of 3049?

[Datisi]

yeah i realize we don't allign on that

so who is it you think?

I'm still debating whether Micc/Slaxx could be SvS, because Slaxx seemed more than happy to lynch Micc Yesterday

I still think Menal is town because none of the play on D1 makes sense from scum!Menal and i liked our earlier interaction i guess

I'm thinking of bob as a possible busser, and maaaaaaybe bji
However I would def like Sky to chime in because I'm always paranoid of lurkers, especially when I'm *not* SRing most of the rest of the playerlist

[Datisi]

You commented on the first part which i myself felt was the weakest. I'm more interested in your comment on "slaxx townreads me and ico, then starts claiming how there must be fuckery with those claims, THEN townreads us both again"

[Datisi]

Icon, does bob distance a lot as scum?

[Datisi]

You played scum with him smfh how don't you remember everything from every single game you've played
Anyway
Tinfoil has me wondering if bob/wilky was a distance attempt day 1
Bc at this point i don't understand this game even if slaxx flips scum so

[Datisi]

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why do i know your games better than you know your games

[Datisi]

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nice one. the VC is literally on this page.

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I mean yes, I do get why I'm in your PoE but it's just like you seem very hung up on the idea,

especially when if slaxx flips rolestopper then I basically am cleared from N2

and I feel like you're oversubscribing to stuff like me disagreeing with you on what we should do when I don't think that's AI

mechanical stuff incoming
why does everyone keep saying this
when it's the exact opposite

[Datisi]

@wilky, regarding 673 when are you normally around to jam?

I kind of like wilky for town off've this?

I think him v bob is unlikely to be SvS

I think the way bji phrased his question has been made into more than it should have been and is NAI, although I think what he was doing was +town -- trying to make datisi and I take hardish stances on each other for reading later game esp if one of us flips

I also kind of like the questioning the looker TR on him? I hesitate to TR this too much bc I do that as scum, but looking at their topics and based on what wilky is saying in this post, it seems like they haven't played a lot recently, so that combined with them being aware of their lack of presence makes it more likely that they would just take a TR rather than feel the need to poke into it

okay i'm kinda skimmind EoD1
and i find this post
it's linking 673 from wilky
what do we think fellas

also just rereading the EoD1 now I'm getting the same feelings that i did post hammer but prior to flip
"holy shit menalque is scum and he's gonna have a shit ton of towncred once chem flips town and it's all my fault"
but chem flipped scum
so like
idk anymore

[Datisi]

that's not what i asked and you know it
if slaxx flips red was 673 theatre

[Datisi]

we both agree that micc + slaxx doesn't make a ton of sense

, so if slaxx scum, a clear on micc isn't that valuable? A clear on menal otoh enables him to take control after we are gone.

it doesn't
slaxx/micc doesn't make sense
slaxx/menal doesn't make sense
slaxx/bob doesn't make sense
slaxx/bji doesn't make fucking sense
i'm not even thinking about slaxx/looker

but if slaxx!town then the game as a whole makes no bloody sense

pedit: mena, you think slaxx pushing for micc lynch yesterday could've been bussing?

[Datisi]

that's not what i asked and you know it
if slaxx flips red was 673 theatre

yes, considering that he shifted off it to hard!push pine and then claimed to ensure that that was the Lynch that went through?

673 is about slaxx(wimpy)/bob not slaxx/micc

[Datisi]

datisi why don't you like slaxx/bob or slaxx/bji?

look at 673, the post you yourself desribed as not SvS and tell me about slaxx/bob
and idk about bji
it's just
i'm not SRing him
I'm not actively SRing anyone other than Slaxx
but i know relying on my own reads is mighty fucken' stupid
i don't know

but if slaxx!town then the game as a whole makes no bloody sense

this doesn't take away that slaxx is the best lynch
i'd hate if this turns out to be sky lowballing it
i disagree that slaxx+menal make no sense

i'm not saying he's not the best lynch i'm saying we're dead if he's town
and i say that because menal still doesn't make sense as scum because *why* does scum!menal play the EoD1 the way he does
just
w h y

[Datisi]

***if slaxx town then menal + micc???

if this turns out to be the case i will cry because that would mean Mena legit slipped earlier

[Datisi]

ye, he was on looker, which at the time i thought was weird for wilky to go from questioning me to "i like datisi's case let's go on looker"
i hate this game

[Datisi]

yeah that
if that was an actual slip i will cry okay thank you
anyway
what is this game

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

wat

[Datisi]

is this lolcatting?

[Datisi]

sigh.

[Datisi]

If red, bloccing Micc. If green, heaven and hell help us all.

[Datisi]

Let's all blame Datisi for forcing her menal!townread upon us all

> has an inno on Micc
> still hammers him

You mean the townread where I started voting him amd everyone was like hurr durr TvT? Ye ok

[Datisi]

Also my favorite post from my notes, which I made when the game was on page 4:

Do you have feels on bji yet?

a sorta townlean actually? his questions remind me of stuff that i used to look at and think "wow this is obvious bad/surface level/trap/loaded question this is scum" but then the person would turn out to be town? if that makes sense

i'm gonna quote this here so once bji flips scum we can all laugh at how trash i am at this game

and then when mena also flips scum we can laugh twice as hard

[Datisi]

Ok for real, gg, loved playing with everyone, sorry for bloccing the Cop ;_;

@ducky you can release my notes pls so people can make fun of them

[Datisi]

gib scum PT

[Datisi]

I am also waiting on the worst to release it. I do not have the power to do that.

it's gonna be a great read though. page 16 is my favorite.

[Datisi]

i found yall's crumb hunting funny, but then i read the description of my death and got chills. will read in detail once it's not 2am.

[Datisi]

oh, i just realized my notes haven't been released yet. huh.