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[innocentvillager]

V/LA until Monday

VOTE: Norway

[innocentvillager]

wagon wagon wagon

Wagon wagon wagon

Wagon wagon wagon

Wagon. Wagon
Wagon. Wagon

[innocentvillager]

i rolled scum this game and I absolutely hate it

[innocentvillager]

there, I said it, it’s off my chest now.

[innocentvillager]

V/LA until Monday

VOTE: Norway

ack V/LA until monday

triggereddddddd ahhhhh

[innocentvillager]

sorry my account was hacked, I’m not actually scum

Pedit: omg I am a vegetarian as well

[innocentvillager]

nononono that wasn’t me

[innocentvillager]

plsssss I want a Norway wagon

[innocentvillager]

he was town last time I wagoned him, the chance of him being town AGAIN is way lower now

[innocentvillager]

omg I am a vegetarian as well

^_^ I knew we'd be friends~

<3

so.................wanna townbloc?

[innocentvillager]

innocentvillager how does it feel

as I’ve said, it wasn’t me who posted that.

Serious fos here for mis repping me.

[innocentvillager]

i would vote you if i didn’t want to get Norway so bad. very scummy

[innocentvillager]

there’s scummy

Then there’s saudade

You’re.. the latter

[innocentvillager]

worsty is obvtown.

worsty and Saudade are not partners

[innocentvillager]

at least one scum in {Nep, Zombie, Saudade, Norway} probably two maybe all 3 tbh

[innocentvillager]

add lavar to the scum pool!

[innocentvillager]

I’m hungry for some saudade now

[innocentvillager]

:drools: huehue okay nyahhh

~kek,, okie

[innocentvillager]

back pedalling on your first post slip was the worst thing you could've done IV

don’t bring the worst into this. Call me what you want, but that slot is town and I will NOT allow you to attack my fellow veganitarian

[innocentvillager]

ahhh you are reaching into my inner psyche

ahhh

Ahhhhhhhhhh

[innocentvillager]

can we make it to page ten in the next 20 minutes? I’m technically v/la but like....

[innocentvillager]

guiltyvillager

hurtful, but I’ve heard worse

[innocentvillager]

wait throw me another question then

[innocentvillager]

I like townblocs with worsty

[innocentvillager]

LOL legumes

what a weird word

[innocentvillager]

worsty pls townbloc I think ur town

[innocentvillager]

nononono I am town worsty no third parties here! I think

[innocentvillager]

I’m getting bored and I should do work so bye for now

No reads, srZ

[innocentvillager]

the posting died down huh

[innocentvillager]

IV!!!!!!
NICE TO SEE YOU!

HI Growlithe!

NEVER TRUSTING YOU AGAIN!

[innocentvillager]

IV!!!!!!
NICE TO SEE YOU!

this is how I feel when I see IV.
where do you know him from?

ik ik worsty I am just full of joy and a fun player ik ik, you’re not bad yourself

except when you replace out of other fun games

also our scumgame <3 is public now so everyone can look at that HUEHUEHUE (Open 786)

[innocentvillager]

what just happened is this some day event

[innocentvillager]

where’s Norway, I want him to come post

[innocentvillager]

not caught up or anything butttt I think sausage is town

worsty is leaning town

[innocentvillager]

Lavar is like
chaining confusing votes without contributing

I voted Something_Smart and lilith2013 as joke. I did not like how innocentvillager kept on joking even when pressured by Saudade, so I decided to vote him.

hilariously at a conscience level I think IV is slightly likely to be town. he's like, objectively tanking the way he is perceived by the thread and feels blatantly unapologetic for it

IV suffers from that subtle anxiety as scum where he feels bad disappointing his scumbuddies I'm pretty sure

it's not a great tell but it's kinda why I'm looking for people trying to take a bite out of him without a decent reason; he's not really alignment telling but I think his mindset comes from town like 1% more often

god worsty you scare me sometimes

[innocentvillager]

meanwhile our incompetent, completely irresponsible mod hasn’t posted a vc in 15 pages.

[innocentvillager]

why do you say that?

[innocentvillager]

I personally don’t think this my opening has been outside of my scum range? if that’s what you’re wondering

[innocentvillager]

hm tell me more?

[innocentvillager]

I’m also being serious that I want to townbloc with you because I feel really comfortable with you as obvtown? but then again after seeing our scumgame together I obviously townread just because you *feel town* :/

[innocentvillager]

yes yes I am

*cant townread you

[innocentvillager]

but it’s not really a townread, he said it was like 1% or whatever which really isn’t a read at all I feel like

[innocentvillager]

i guess I get where you are coming from tho Re: SS

[innocentvillager]

I’m referring to SS’s townread on that one thing I said

I don’t know if it’s a valid TR but I see where the process comes from

[innocentvillager]

don't think he's so reflexively a badass as scum

now THAT is hurtful

After everything we just went through?

[innocentvillager]

worsty were you lying when you said you townread me from d2? So you never TR’d me at all

and yeah maybe? idk

[innocentvillager]

idk, I feel like I’ve come out the gate swinging as scum before

[innocentvillager]

sigh

guess I need to work on my scum game

[innocentvillager]

Hi Norway!!

[innocentvillager]

So InnocentVillager posted like reads on page two in a game i played with him last time, and got butthurt when i called his reads shit and proceeded to tunnel me for the rest of day 1.
Here he’s voting me immediately for a meme reason which kinda feels like scum: "hey, i’m acting normal! Voting someone i’ve played with before! ;P" which is kind of a scum entrance tbh.
FOS on IV for now. He’s also playing kinda memey. Sausage the "brilliant player" you’ve got an keen eye son.

hmmmm

This is not an accurate summary of Open 787? I was obviously meme-tunneling you and just went with it for strategical reasons

I don't get how voting a player a know is AI?

Memeing is probably not AI for me, and if it is it probably leans town? Like I memed the whole D1 in our game (obviously was pretty different)? Idk self meta tho what do i know

[innocentvillager]

Tw maybe scum

do tell

I think I TR Norway's adamance on Una/Lilith being TvT

[innocentvillager]

So InnocentVillager posted like reads on page two in a game i played with him last time, and got butthurt when i called his reads shit and proceeded to tunnel me for the rest of day 1.
Here he’s voting me immediately for a meme reason which kinda feels like scum: "hey, i’m acting normal! Voting someone i’ve played with before! ;P" which is kind of a scum entrance tbh.
FOS on IV for now. He’s also playing kinda memey. Sausage the "brilliant player" you’ve got an keen eye son.

hmmmm

This is not an accurate summary of Open 787? I was obviously meme-tunneling you and just went with it for strategical reasons

I don't get how voting a player a know is AI?

Memeing is probably not AI for me, and if it is it probably leans town? Like I memed the whole D1 in our game (obviously was pretty different)? Idk self meta tho what do i know

This is gross.

VOTE: innocentvillager

you know im gonna ask you to elaborate

[innocentvillager]

i don't think I have? can you quote the other instance(s)?

[innocentvillager]

I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

I think I have an idea but I want to hear from you first

[innocentvillager]

IV is something like Not_Mafia to me

did I just get compared to NM LOL wow

[innocentvillager]

I personally don’t think this my opening has been outside of my scum range? if that’s what you’re wondering

You have been self-meta to

town

read yourself the whole game, it's gross.

that is not implying i am town sir

[innocentvillager]

im hot off the griddle having just completed a scumgame with partner worsty so if I seem a little obsessed about him that's why

[innocentvillager]

interesting I like you for town

[innocentvillager]

can you indulge my curiosity about manos though

[innocentvillager]

alright, fair enough, I’ll keep an eye out

Who do you think is scum

[innocentvillager]

besides me I guess lol

[innocentvillager]

Actually no that was all bull i dont like four but hes probtown

VOTE: innocentvillager
569 is preemptively self conscious and hes being appeasing to four

so explaining myself is scummy and so is trying to understand his thoughts is also scum...?

[innocentvillager]

This is not an accurate summary of Open 787? I was obviously meme-tunneling you and just went with it for strategical reasons

What strategic reasons are you talking about?

ehh mostly that you were null and I told myself before the game I was going to deathtunnel someone arbitrarily and pray they flip scum

I kind of talked about it D2 and postgame

whatever don’t think it’s that important

[innocentvillager]

wait who is Thor??? I need to know

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Let’s go here

[innocentvillager]

is it bad that I have you in my town pool almost exclusively because four says so

[innocentvillager]

it’s just like, I don’t think he’s sick enough to do that as your partner? And if he really is town which I believe anyway I tend to trust these super confident reads just purely by proxy

and it was so early too makes it seem weird that there would be a deepwolf agenda there

[innocentvillager]

ohhhhhh I get it.

Not Thor the MS player. Reference to Norwegian stuffs. Got it

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Let’s go here

Why are you going here?

looks like you’re going here now too

[innocentvillager]

it looks fun

[innocentvillager]

lol some people are truly gifted

this is fun too

[innocentvillager]

my man four I don’t think anyone has a clue what the fuck you were on about

[innocentvillager]

that’s kind of what I was thinking tbh, idrc at this point, you’re obviously confident in it which is good enough for now

[innocentvillager]

you’re not, I feel like I saw this too

[innocentvillager]

lol I think I’m thinking of liliths post where she asks about that LOL

so ya maybe you are actually going crazy

[innocentvillager]

oh someone said I was trying to “appease four”. That could be it

[innocentvillager]

Actually no that was all bull i dont like four but hes probtown

VOTE: innocentvillager
569 is preemptively self conscious and hes being appeasing to four

so explaining myself is scummy and so is trying to understand his thoughts is also scum...?

Yes how does that make you feel

this here

and I feel like these are bad reasons to attack me but other than that idk?

[innocentvillager]

Lilith are you saying scum!four is pocketing town!lavar?

[innocentvillager]

four, thoughts on nep?

[innocentvillager]

I think I’m at

Lavar, saudade, Four, worsty, Norway

for my townreads, Lavar being the strogest

[innocentvillager]

it’s just like, I don’t think he’s sick enough to do that as your partner? And if he really is town which I believe anyway I tend to trust these super confident reads just purely by proxy

and it was so early too makes it seem weird that there would be a deepwolf agenda there

[innocentvillager]

the most likely case is that four is town and simply is dead confident on lavar. I’ve had similar reads (like around 5 I think) and I have never been wrong, admittedly a small sample size

[innocentvillager]

I mean what part of that do you disagree with?

[innocentvillager]

also IV can you please answer why you’re voting billy pilgrim right now?

like I said I thought it’d be fun

and they’re not in my townreads

[innocentvillager]

I think I’m at

Lavar, saudade, Four, worsty, Norway

for my townreads, Lavar being the strogest

why do you tr saudade and tw

saudade literally just feels so town hard to describe it more beyond that and I like see where he’s coming from for the most part even if I don’t always agree

worsty is my weakest townread just because I know he is very capable as scum and I’m paranoid but he seems to truly be getting in discussions and having opinions, looks like he’s genuinely trying to sort slots including mine, etc

[innocentvillager]

I am not on you

BP does this change your opinion on four eyes slot?

[innocentvillager]

poker is so fun man idk how anyone could dislike that post

I think mafia is pretty different though because poker there’s actually like an equilibrium ish strategy so leveling/exploitation isnt necessarily the main focus (unless against bad players) where mafia is all about exploitative play because there’s not really an equilibrium strat

[innocentvillager]

sorry I don’t think I’ve ever felt so bad and useless in a plist :/ I think you guys are too good for me or I’m just terrible

maybe I should stick to newbie games

[innocentvillager]

i mean i think im just one of the people who likes to play but isn't very good at it

shitposting is fun and all especially at the beginning but once you guys started blasting off into all these crazy nuanced thought psychology battles with each other i got pretty lost and only had weak gut opinions, none of which really leaned scum

like lilith and worsty on recent posting would just be obvious townreads for me normally? but like I'm not even really sure here because idk if this just good scum masquerading

i know this sounds dumb and maybe melodramatic because that's literally what this game is about but idk if i describe it better

really don't have any scumreads rn only some townreads but im not even sure about those

but yeah ill just give it my best shot i guess. will try to pore over this on monday or tues when i have a bigger block of time

pedit: lilith I answered this twice already, i literally just voted him for fun and I didn't townread him. i don't know how i feel about him now, ill have to take a deeper look

[innocentvillager]

idk im sorry this turned into a rant in the middle of game i don't want to distract from the content, this is probably MD material.

[innocentvillager]

Nep, what’s your thoughts on InnocentVillager?

I like the guy seems fun
Imo the movement around iv is more ai so far than ivs actual posts

The way I play, every person is a scum suspect until they clear as town. However, I feel as if there is some good bets for scum in Nep, BillyPilgrim and Norway so far, and one super secret read which I need more time to be sure of.

I am much more confident in my town block than anything else, tough.

VOTE: Four

Actually no that was all bull i dont like four but hes probtown

VOTE: innocentvillager
569 is preemptively self conscious and hes being appeasing to four

I think the reasons here seem a little surface/forced but maybe that's just because I disagree? But I also like the whole progression and the timestamps surrounding them, it really does seem like he's taking time to reread and reevaluate real time, they're about 10 minutes apart

in general I feel like his posts have been more geared towards seeming like he's sorting people than actually attempting to sort people. The questions he asked me were very.... like I'm not actually sure how my answers were going to help him sort me, it looked like he asked me questions just to look like he was doing things. He also questioned both sides of the wagon (ie both lavar and me) in the same kind of way. And when I asked how my response helped him sort me, he basically just said my response was good. I think also the early townread on me feels kind of buddying-adjacent, and so does the townread on Norweeeeeej

This applies to iv too imo like even on this page
Somebody hated the poker post from billy but i kindve liked it it is a fucking weird post but in an i want to be heard kinda way

26 pages in time to get settled in already daddy

I hate you more now

Lilith would you vote iv

I like this reason for voting me more and I like that he pointed it out and tried to push here

i didn't really find anything else that immediately sticks out, I think null leaning town for me

[innocentvillager]

thank you worsty <3 appreciate the advice

[innocentvillager]

sorry, I’m super busy RL and won’t be checking in until Monday evening or tues

but I will try to do something around then

[innocentvillager]

hi, I’m kind of back, I have more time but not as much time as I imagined I would

[innocentvillager]

i did some scattered skimming

ill get to this tomorrow evening

i have some basic thoughts on Sirius wagon but that will have to wait for reasons

there’s a few obvtown slots which is nice

[innocentvillager]

yeah you guys are posting faster than i can read

is there a real reason for the Nep wagon?

[innocentvillager]

i think the Sirius wagon is very reasonable and I am totally fine with it

[innocentvillager]

well, back from where I was caught up, I don't think anyone had a great reason for pushing you, saudade said something about "not cooperating" which seemed bizarre and not right, but saudade/lilith/lavar are obvtown

yes I independently believe Sirius is a fine elimination for today based on that slot's content but I am admittedly being lazy about looking for how the pushes on him developed over the gamestate, etc

[innocentvillager]

This seem too easy but on the other hand 1911 is also a really bad post

i feel like Nep has had this fatalist attitude all day, do you think that's scummy? i don't think it's less likely to come from town

[innocentvillager]

i just finished 2022 with Sirius and I got so sucked into his AtE posting and townread him for dumb reasons

[innocentvillager]

it sucks for either alignment yeah

i deathtunnelled Norway in Open 787 almost on purpose and for meh reasons

he squirmed and squealed a lot

he flipped town

[innocentvillager]

i think mixing up the rep ins like that is a towntell tbh

lilith i don't think he's lying about that it's too random and not obviously a towntell

[innocentvillager]

nep does anyone townread you this game?

[innocentvillager]

if no one townreads you i think you're more likely to be town than if a couple people townread you

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Nep okok

[innocentvillager]

sometimes obvscum is just scum

[innocentvillager]

worsty what’s the difference between your scumgame and towngame?

[innocentvillager]

hmmm interesting

[innocentvillager]

after the amount of gameposts hes made that have been reasoned TRs on me is just not town

can you elaborate on this further?

why does scum!me do this but town!me not?

[innocentvillager]

worsty are you going to answer me seriously or just the meme answer lol

I guess you are saying you enjoy the scum role more?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: sirius

yeah I think I got the townie reaction I wanted out of that

[innocentvillager]

I don’t see anything AI there

[innocentvillager]

it is content that I agree with if that matters

[innocentvillager]

worsty like I want to strong townread you and sheep your reads like others? i have ~reasons~ that I cannot talk about for being paranoid of your slot but the gist of it is that youre good at scum and knowing you like scum more doesn’t help with that paranoia and you wouldn’t lie about that

I did not know about the hiatus thing, that does throw a wrench into things

[innocentvillager]

worsty is Nep scum/why

[innocentvillager]

scum are more likely to be in the nullreads than in the strong townreads or strong scumreads

but doesn’t this make you want to lean away from Nep? you are arguing for their general perception by the plist vs your own read of her

[innocentvillager]

i think the Sirius wagon is very reasonable and I am totally fine with it

I hate you:)

i love eating roasted duck
scum = SS/Sausade?

I can’t even blame you it is so good

but a big beautiful duck visited me in my sleep and I got sad and I woke up vegetarian

[innocentvillager]

Lilith I’m saying Nep has been a universal scumread and by your logic that makes you lean town on Nep. Regardless of your personal read on her

[innocentvillager]

I guess when you say “the strong townreads/scumreads” I assume you’re referring to the towns and not yours

[innocentvillager]

it feels like the easy push and in a bad way I guess?

whereas Sirius is the easy push but I feel better about for some reason... idk LOL I’m also just fresh from 2022

pedit: Lilith yeah I think we agree now

[innocentvillager]

scum = SS/Sausade?

if these two are both scum i will actually consider eating duck postgame.

Is it like, such a horrible take that it must come from town? Or is it such an obviously horrible take that scum!sirius attempts to make us think it’s such a horrible take that it must come from town?

I have my personal opinion on this lol

[innocentvillager]

I called out the scumteam at the end of D2? (with low confidence) I think I was one of the few people to really drill into Sirius’s partner esp in dead thread and he might’ve been impressed by that idk I was super paranoid the whole game and it wasn’t a good game for me idt

[innocentvillager]

worsty why is Nep scum again? sorry if you’ve said this you can just quote it or whatever

[innocentvillager]

Lilith I think he just likes interacting with people who are “there”, I can’t blame him honestly

he did this as scum constantly in 2022

[innocentvillager]

SS is a wide townread? That’s certainly news, but I haven’t read the whole thread lol

I haven’t really noticed the slots posting which is a small scumlean for me with their activity which I want to revisit? but whatever we should focus on the real wagon candidates for today

[innocentvillager]

you’re good worsty

i think I disagree not sure how strongly though

I did like her reaction to my vote, the first order reasoning being I don’t think scum reversal omguses that blatantly and quickly

[innocentvillager]

it’s also like, imagine you’re scum getting wagoned in that spot kind of for no great reason? then the one townie who has kind of been on your side who you’ve been explicitly temporarily townread for a) not pushing b) solving or whatever (but with a noted intent to ‘watch’ me in particular, which I thought was interesting) suddenly for a no effort reason sheeps the herd

my first reaction as scum is not to omgus here, it’s to try to win back townie’s support and dig deeper into their process. there’s no real scum!motivation here that’s immediately obvious especially since I’m not even a coutnerwagon. town OTOH’s first reaction doesn’t care that Their one supporter just reversed 180, and it’s consistent with this whole intention of watching my content or whatever she was doing. aside from getting scumread for no reason all game it adds to the frustration. the omgus is not very well thought out, as SS was questioning correctly it’s not necessarily scummy for me to do what I did and there’s no obvious scum!motivation, but the only thing Nep was thinking about was whether or not she bought it as a real town process.

idk if I am confbiasing myself here but I think this gives me more confidence that Nep is town

[innocentvillager]

Isn’t it a bit incongruous that you resist sirius’ elimination so much even though his play

in this game

has been horrible, but you haven’t even seen notmafia in the game yet and you’re more than happy to policy elim him?

Why are you scumreading nepenthes again?

This is a really good post.

Let me piggyback though. Norweej, what was your Saudade read?

this post gives me weird vibes

[innocentvillager]

Lilith is pretty universally townread so this is kind of useless free content

there’s nothing “good” about that particular post other than it Making sense

the format is also weirdly similar (read, then detour question) so I wonder if at a subconscious level scum!BP is emulating what he perceives as a good post from town!lilith

[innocentvillager]

nvm there’s probably nothing there, could plausibiy come from town!BP too.

[innocentvillager]

I think I’m at

{innocentvillager}
{NM}
{Pooky, Lilith}
{Four, Nep}
{worsty, Una}
{Norway, Sirius, BP, Zombie, SS}

[innocentvillager]

yes im innocent villager

[innocentvillager]

I am townreading you and una just not to degree that I am townreading everyone else

The bottom are nully and I intend to investigate those slots more later

Gut thoughts on SS are.. well none really? I don’t really notice them much which as I’ve said makes me maybe lean scum

[innocentvillager]

una has long walls that I never really bothered to read and other people are townreading them

[innocentvillager]

I did not have time today sorry, tomorrow

[innocentvillager]

i think a sirius yeet is good, im sad he get replaced though tbh he's fun

I was literally in Newbie 2022 and the vibe is the same, although that by itself obviously isn't AI, but I townread him for this "too scummy to be scum" "not giving a fuck" and "earnest" vibe that I think is harder for some of you (Norway comes to mind) to see because you're hindsight biased?

scum!Sirius probably found it hard to contribute through 100 pages which would explain why he's not giving as many reads (also he didn't do much in the beginning of 2022 either) so i don't get why that is somehow a strong defense

[innocentvillager]

i think we're in a good spot right now, 100 pages is a lot but I do think there's enough to say at least two scum are in {Zombie, Billy, Norway, Water}

when almost everyone mostly agrees that's a good sign

if anyone else is scum my bets are on Una and worsty

I'm trying to be less paranoid because it just cost me a game, sometimes the scumteam is just... that

It's verryyyy interesting that certain people (like Billy, Una) are bringing this up and agreeing with it, makes me think that if either of them flip scum then the rest of the team is likely in this pool

[innocentvillager]

oh i forgot SS

why do I always forget that slot... yeah add that to the elim pool

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Pooky

I know this is a stretch but bear with me. Saudade was posting good, like real good, and way outside their normal style. But what if they saw this Playlist and decided to actually play? And yeah, that's not a case, but i feel like Pooky had a high shade ratio in their posts and they aren't backing it up with votes. Hell he literally told someone else to case me while he wasn't voting me. That feels scummy.

Also, given that the consensus poe is pretty tight and it has me in it and I know im town, one of these consensus townreads has to be wrong and at the minute my money is on the bear.

now THAT'S a hot take xD

[innocentvillager]

well, it's probably one of the following:

desperate scum!you who is trying to cast suspicion away from your scumteam because if no one speaks up the rest of you are getting dunked

or you're town and wrong and scum really is just in the other 4

or you're town and right about deepwolfs in the townreads

or you're town and right about that and saudade in particular

IDK, as far as saudade slot goes, I am a strong believer that if the predecessor was insanely towny the replacement can scumclaim and I wouldn't believe it. Saudade wasn't just high efforting, I just don't think he's very good at scum compared to how intense he is as town, although that is admittedly from a one game meta

[innocentvillager]

i almost don't believe that town is THIS paranoid especially just on D1? I am paranoid as ever lol but as nep just said there are plenty of other slots who are not in the top townreads and this almost seems more survivalistically motivated than paranoia

although this could just be town!BP's playstyle? anyone have any insight on this?

[innocentvillager]

nep do you think BP's "paranoia" is genuine or desperate?

[innocentvillager]

huh? im voting him, i think it's a good elim

[innocentvillager]

Where did iv say a sirius elim was bad

@iv - Idk yet its a bad move if hes town or scum but its not a believable stance imo
Billy has to know the votes going nowhere and hes talking about one deepwolf not multiple so from that pov the poe hes in should have scum in it and he should know that

this is a good point with the poe fhpov maybe having a higher scum density than the non-poe so idk why he's getting super paranoid

i agree that it's not super believeable which makes me lean scum and happy to vote here, but I also believe there are some people who are actually this paranoid (like me or worse)?

[innocentvillager]

yeah i think i feel fine about the PoE pool don't want to overthink

like literally anyone in that im fine with at this point i guess lol

[innocentvillager]

LOL that would be sick if you were right

[innocentvillager]

ehhh i still think i slightly prefer Sirius/BP to Noway if those are the wagons but im not opposed to hammering Norway again

just because this kind of squirming is still reminiscent of town!Norway in 787 but doubt it's outside of his scumrange if all my townreads also have meta and are on him

[innocentvillager]

regardless I think at least one of the three flips red

ya obviously

[innocentvillager]

regardless I think at least one of the three flips red

ya obviously

i think i would quit this game for another year if one all of these slots flipped green LOL

[innocentvillager]

I think Billy is putting forth a Pooky vote because he feels like he has no other option, which doesn’t make sense as town unless he’s townreading norweej and sirius and zombie

ya okay you know what VOTE: Billy it's reasonable for town!Sirius to play the way he has I think even if it is just as reasonable for scum!Sirius, but for a more logically thinking player like Billy this just seems too irrational/desperate for no reason

[innocentvillager]

wagon wagon wagon

[innocentvillager]

I’m paranoid about literally everyone except SS

you hydra'd with SS in a perfect scumgame right? and you are confident about SS being town?

[innocentvillager]

wow....are you paranoid about Not Mafia too? you're more paranoid of that slot than SS?

[innocentvillager]

ok whatever SS is town then I guess

so maybe the PoE is tight, if Billy thinks town has it structured as {Norway, Zombie, Billy, Sirius}... still feels ehhh idk if I buy it

pedit: yeah i feel like your slot is the most obvtown to me aside from Not Mafia so that's why i wanted to ask

pedit2: worsty scares the fuck out of me

[innocentvillager]

Nep mentioned worsty's early handle of the push on her slot but I honestly think scum!worsty is capable of a lot including that especially d1 and I have ~reasons to be scared as fuck

[innocentvillager]

like okay if I was in the PoE I doubt my first reaction is to go "OMG town got it wrong, ahhh deepwolfs, we should push there instead" town's probably just right on like 2/3 in the pool

pedit: lilith i mean the scumteam most likely isn't completely in those 4 just from sheer probability (maybe it is that would be sick)? but add in like una and worsty and now I'd be really surprised if the game's still going

[innocentvillager]

What are your ~reasons?

i can't really discuss them at this moment

[innocentvillager]

oh yeah, norweej’s reasons for townreading duck were really weird

i think norway has produced a lot of weird confident reads in general this game, again slightly reminiscent of his town Open 787 play, so idk if that's AI?

are you suggesting some potential associative relationship/nonrelationship between them?

[innocentvillager]

lilith im going to be so upset if you're scum

[innocentvillager]

i mean no offense but if you were as good at scum as worsty is i wouldn't be quite as lock town on you

...i just got reminded of your scum victory with SS though... oh no... i fear i have been tricked by your self meta

[innocentvillager]

nooo fuck it you're town and that's that

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: InnocentVillager
Idk. I think i should just re-evaluate everything.
IV, compared to his towngame in Lovers Mafia he is actually acting really different.

can you explain your read progression on me up to this point

[innocentvillager]

I mean, i’d vote Billy over me.

But if he flips town

i’m probably going to need a good and long trip to the mental hospital for rehabilitation.

Such a Freudian slip..

?? how is this is a slip am I just dumb

[innocentvillager]

This is not a valid argument.

write off the point system, analyse mindset

sirius has a "scum need to do things" mindset
sirius has a "town needs to be sincere" mindset
sirius is obviously not very good at sorting players
ergo, on the balance of probabilities him being sincere and garbo is a towntell

Sirius didn't do anything for a while in 2022

he gave an opinion this game too on Norway's wagon, he also buddied me in 2022 when people were coming at me calling me town... fucking NS and Sirius pocketing me all game into me not ~really wanting to elim them

im not sure I understand what you mean wrt to town!Sirius's mindset, you think town!Sirius actively thinks "I'm town, I should be sincere" and scum!Sirius actively thinks "I'm scum, I need to do stuff to avoid getting elim'd"...?

i think we're in a good spot right now, 100 pages is a lot but I do think there's enough to say at least two scum are in {Zombie, Billy, Norway, Water}

Whoa.

is there an opinion here, do you disagree? obviously not a certainty but I feel like it's quite likely

IDK, as far as saudade slot goes, I am a strong believer that if the predecessor was insanely towny the replacement can scumclaim and I wouldn't believe it. Saudade wasn't just high efforting, I just don't think he's very good at scum compared to how intense he is as town, although that is admittedly from a one game meta

sausage is very good at scum, his scumgame is sometimes sandbagged by lack of free time

I skimmed Newbie 1999 I think, didn't really seem like he suffered from a lack of time? can you find a scumgame you think he played well as scum and projected similar to this caliber of towniness?

elements is like Very Chilled but gets easier to read later
sorry that's not super useful
him being ~whimsical~/kinda having his own pace wrt catching up isn't scum indicative

like how soon like d2 soon? i have 0 thoughts on that slot rn other than they are in the PoE

I had a really spicy solve for the game it involved TW/Billy and I don't remember the third player

i could get behind this... I think I'm not quite as paranoid of worsty as I was before though? but still am. I can talk about my reasons now; I thought worsty slot was scum kind of by PoE in Newbie 2023 which just finished. He had a similar style in that game to this game and was high efforting a lot posting lots of rapid-fire analysis/solving that made him seem towny, but I couldn't get over the idea his slot was scum. It was not

[innocentvillager]

right I understand that

I’m curious how this read evolved over time though

[innocentvillager]

right I understand that

I’m curious how this read evolved over time though

?

[innocentvillager]

Norway can you plz stop ignoring me)

[innocentvillager]

also I’m curious if you’re purposely ignoring me and not answering my question or if you genuinely misunderstood the first time and just haven’t noticed that I’m trying to get you to answer my question?

[innocentvillager]

This is not a valid argument.

write off the point system, analyse mindset

sirius has a "scum need to do things" mindset
sirius has a "town needs to be sincere" mindset
sirius is obviously not very good at sorting players
ergo, on the balance of probabilities him being sincere and garbo is a towntell

Sirius didn't do anything for a while in 2022

he gave an opinion this game too on Norway's wagon, he also buddied me in 2022 when people were coming at me calling me town... fucking NS and Sirius pocketing me all game into me not ~really wanting to elim them

im not sure I understand what you mean wrt to town!Sirius's mindset, you think town!Sirius actively thinks "I'm town, I should be sincere" and scum!Sirius actively thinks "I'm scum, I need to do stuff to avoid getting elim'd"...?

i think we're in a good spot right now, 100 pages is a lot but I do think there's enough to say at least two scum are in {Zombie, Billy, Norway, Water}

Whoa.

is there an opinion here, do you disagree? obviously not a certainty but I feel like it's quite likely

IDK, as far as saudade slot goes, I am a strong believer that if the predecessor was insanely towny the replacement can scumclaim and I wouldn't believe it. Saudade wasn't just high efforting, I just don't think he's very good at scum compared to how intense he is as town, although that is admittedly from a one game meta

sausage is very good at scum, his scumgame is sometimes sandbagged by lack of free time

I skimmed Newbie 1999 I think, didn't really seem like he suffered from a lack of time? can you find a scumgame you think he played well as scum and projected similar to this caliber of towniness?

elements is like Very Chilled but gets easier to read later
sorry that's not super useful
him being ~whimsical~/kinda having his own pace wrt catching up isn't scum indicative

like how soon like d2 soon? i have 0 thoughts on that slot rn other than they are in the PoE

I had a really spicy solve for the game it involved TW/Billy and I don't remember the third player

i could get behind this... I think I'm not quite as paranoid of worsty as I was before though? but still am. I can talk about my reasons now; I thought worsty slot was scum kind of by PoE in Newbie 2023 which just finished. He had a similar style in that game to this game and was high efforting a lot posting lots of rapid-fire analysis/solving that made him seem towny, but I couldn't get over the idea his slot was scum. It was not

oh sure I forgot lol, guess I’m interested in this stuff

The saudade scumgame is whatever that’s not a priority

elements should be a quick response

I am curious on more thoughts about Sirius slot

[innocentvillager]

the one thing that does stick out to me about water is the impassioned defense of Sirius

I am inclined to TR this... somewhat

it’s not a great argument and I am not really swayed about Sirius slot but it does feel plausible that he genuinely believed this either coming in or even now as he was talking about it

Like it’s possible he thought this was a town slot upon replacing in and just parroted pre-replace thoughts when he got the green or red PM thoufh

I think this is one of those things that is surface level scummy “why does he feel the need to adamantly claim his pred was town” but it is on the townier side when you really think about it

[innocentvillager]

i feel kind of tingly about the mutual townreading inside the PoE pool Im not sure how to explain it exactly

BP, Norway, Water specifically

maybe because I do believe this is what they do if they are exactly the scumteam? but obviously that actual raw probability is super low so that’s probably not the case? If two of them are scum they could be pocketing the third to try to convince town to cast doubt on most of the current townbloc so that also makes sense, I’m not sure which two would likely be the scum if this is the case

[innocentvillager]

@worst and una another question here: I don’t really follow the PR/setup spec stuff in gneeral for closed games, but I’m interested in your thoughts on each other’s suggestions/if there is anything AI or scum/town!motivated in particular

[innocentvillager]

like I want to know if this felt like:

objective TvT discussion of theory
Objective TvS discussion of theory
Scum motivated TvS discussion of theory

or if other people want to comment SvS theatre of theory interaction (imo doesn’t feel like it?)

[innocentvillager]

Wait, Billy notices this and they have a short interaction about it?
But they talk it away by walking right past the point?
Are they both just scum and Norwee slipped there??

no

I think I buy this as Norway/Billy are not scum partners hmm

[innocentvillager]

also I’m curious if you’re purposely ignoring me and not answering my question or if you genuinely misunderstood the first time and just haven’t noticed that I’m trying to get you to answer my question?

I'm kinda ignoring your question yes.
I guess all there is to it is that i TR you at first, but then i reconsidered because some of my TR's were obviously wrong so i questioned why i really TR you when you've been playing differently than what i remember from your actual earlier town-game i'm familiar with. Did you answer this btw?

okay, I think this makes me feel better about you?

I would’ve been more suspicious if you actually missed it because I feel anyone reading my posts would have noticed

and you scumreading me but not actually noticing my posts trying to get your attention feels scummy but I think town!you does ignore me in this spot and isn’t afraid to mention it

I asked the question because, well you have only seen me for that one game. That game was pretty anomalous where I tried a deathtunnel strategy to get one random person elimd at all costs unless they actually started towntelling. I think I made it clear D2, postgame and even once this game that my first few pages was mostly trolling/“boneheadedness” you described that this is really not part of my normal meta as town or scum

I guess i was skeptical when you said that you like just thought of this when I have been posting “normally” for almost 100 pages? But it makes sense in the context of you glossing over my slot focusing on everyone else, I also liked the tunnel on BP slot, quick 180 and “paranoia re-evaluation” leading you to my slot that I thought made sense form a town!you standpoint

And I can self meta if you’d like but like literally any other game you look will give you a very different vibe than 787

[innocentvillager]

I think we should be more wary of S_S. But this is a strong gut feeling more than anything.

I know what you are thinking and I get this feeling too

but Lilith is literally so confident on that slot despite being paranoid of everyone else and I know better than to ignore that

[innocentvillager]

again I disagree with your assessment of Sirius slot and your BP backoff, my bets are on those two both being scum in the PoE still despite the small towntell from water

Like it literally could just be BP water Zombie and I think everything makes sense

pedit: I could go for a Zombie elim if you like too.

[innocentvillager]

i cannot recall any SS’s posts and that is a red flag.

but I get that there is a play style context that I am unaware of and Lilith is so I don’t think we should even think about that slot until later

[innocentvillager]

I’m going to be honest as much as I’m trying to get out of paranoia mode because it has cost me my PoE is now 3 people and unless I’m exactly right which I’m probably not i fucked up somewhere

like I didn’t want to townread you, lol, but I think I do now and that’s slightly concerning

[innocentvillager]

yeah but like I also don’t expect to solve the game on D1 and to have my PoE down to exactly the size of the scumteam is like probably too much?

i think I’m just going to close my eyes and vote in there and reevaluate d2, this game feels like it 180’d in terms of activity so maybe it just needs something to happen for us to really start going for the solve

VOTE: Zombie apocalypse

[innocentvillager]

ugh are you pocketing me norway

Like I don’t think so because you literally voted me? So I don’t see where your scum!agenda is there unless you’re sick enough to adapt quickly? lol ugh

[innocentvillager]

ehh I like this vote though

out of the PoE this slot has received the least attention.

@worsty your Elements thoughts got pushed up the priority list

[innocentvillager]

do you think there is scum!incentive to hide behind the radio thing as a gimmick to be null/unreadable/get a pass for D1?

and is it more likely for town or scum!Elements to drop the gimmick and start playing for real?

Pedit: lmao I think that’s a town!brilliance thing

but yeah the only way I see your pocketing is if it’s a real-time spontaneous decision to flip your agenda from casting paranoia outside the PoE block into me and instantly realizing you can use this as a way to get town!Zombie eliminated instead of Scum!BP or scum!Water

[innocentvillager]

anyway I’ll be around for deadline tomorrow if it doesn’t get extended (pls extend lol!!)

[innocentvillager]

billy idk what you are on about with the whole you “being the elim” or whatever? I’m fine with anyone inside my PoE and Zombie has essentially gotten no real scrutiny all day for doing nothing really

[innocentvillager]

Zombie, what is the most AI thing that sticks out then? Who is scum

[innocentvillager]

@worsty you think Elements slot leans town? when can we start reading this slot

[innocentvillager]

And where would you be looking if i flip town?

It seem like you're adamant, who do you think would be scum with me?

This feels like unnecessary openwolfing which seems townie

[innocentvillager]

Zombie, what is the most AI thing that sticks out then? Who is scum

idk, it's day 1
I only do gut day 1

from skimming your ISO your vote is on BP and you scumread Water? and these are gut scumreads? I just want to understand where you are at

[innocentvillager]

80% of what I say is nonsense and the rest is always completely correct without fail

I assume this falls into the latter category

[innocentvillager]

i think I’m kind of done with this day I just want to flip someone

[innocentvillager]

zombie you around? who is gut town

[innocentvillager]

I now think norwee is more likely town purelly because of the change of the profile pic

lol I do feel this

is it weird that this is so weird yet agreeable that I’m giving this townpoints

Pedit: yeah I assume sausage and una slots are the ones you want to revisit?

[innocentvillager]

can we like unextend the deadline

[innocentvillager]

i'll laugh if like, scum are gearing to quickhammer and they're frantically trying to coordinate something in the scum pt lmao

the worst is clearly the deepwolf

no why do i get this vibe worsty are you doing this again

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: water

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

can someone explain to me how Billy is towning it up the last few pages? All I see is him suspecting people off his wagon/moving off (like me) and whiteknighting people voting for him and questioning why people think he's town? this feels more consistent with a scum!mindset trying to wifom his way out and i don't really genuinely see the townie mindset of "literally wanting to die"

[innocentvillager]

yeah fine ok worsty i guess it's kind of obvious what the town mindset is

idk, im not convinced that this isn't wifom, like if this is all it takes to wifom my way out as scum I would just offer myself up as the elim as my wagon builds and push top townies. but maybe im just colored because i don't want to take more people out of my PoE

[innocentvillager]

i can definitely switch to water if people would rather get that slot, im still kind of whatever between BP and water

[innocentvillager]

yeah im not thinking about the pr thing as much as you are im just trying to elim scum

i believe you're overthinking it but i might be underthinking it? idk