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I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him. The way he worded this post makes it sound as though he was hard TR'ing NPOM based on play alone and the players he pushed.In post 1663, DeathNote wrote:See ya... I would expect several players here to do it but Salsa also is a newer player so it isn't a for sure thing.
No, NPOM isn't scum and I don't see how NPOM would ever push the people he pushes as scum.If he is scum, then hot damn good work and maybe we will catch him in lylo lol. I just don't see a reason to vote that slot right now.
When you compare with the Datisi crumb, he gave no reasoning as to why he believed so strongly that Datisi was town, but with NPOM he gives clear reasoning.-
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I was under the impression Fire had targeted Salsa, because there are players I would have expected to eat the NK before her.In post 2086, Datisi wrote: (2) i think? deathnote actually tracked fire to npom.-
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I think he'd lie if that player had then been NK and flipped Town PRIn post 2089, Elements wrote:I don't think fire lies about who he targeted?-
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I guess it's possible from the perspective that NPOM hard-bussed both partners, and both Saudade and Fire attempted as much distancing as possible before they were yeeted.
It's probably unlikely but I'm getting paranoid. I just came out of a game where an apparent 'conftown' ended up being the last scum and nearly won off the back of it.-
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The reason I say that is because I've done the same thing as Town PR in the past.In post 2101, Datisi wrote:
yeah, i'm going back and forth on that.In post 2092, Luca Blight wrote:I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him.
Actually you were in that game. I was Town informed and said 'I'm pretty sure Icon is Town but not 100% sure' so that if I died people wouldn't think I had an inno on him.-
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I gave clear reasons why I SR Zuko over Shepherd - he was trying to look good, Shepherd was not.In post 2159, Rannygazoo wrote:Look, I’m biased for being in the middle of it, but the push on Zuko was suspicious with zero knowledge. “You want to wagon this inactive slot? How about this OTHER slot that’s only slightly different?” I don’t think it would have succeeded even if I didn’t hold it back.
I know Luca’s going to come back and say I’m shading him, but whatever, I don’t think the strength of your TR on him is justified.
You said that there was little difference between them, but insisted on sticking on SoS regardless, and yet you try to make out I'm suspicious for pushing who I believed was more likely to be scum, and who actually turned out to be scum?
And yeah, your shading is scummy as f*ck because you don't seem to really believe I'm scum based on what you're generally pushing with regards to Elements, but keep throwing little bits of mud my way at weird intervals. It looks like you're trying to muddy the waters rather than genuinely game solve.-
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Are youIn post 2181, Rannygazoo wrote:
Boy oh boy guess what Luca is going to do tomorrowIn post 2176, Datisi wrote:sigh. the urge to just hammer the fuck out of that and hope it's over is immense. still think it's ranny > npom btw. npom's vague dropping of "ranny is scummy for x" while still being adamant in ele being scum makes me think he wants me to hammer ranny, but also wants to make sure we all know he wanted ele and then tomorrow he's gonna vote ele and say how he's town bc he didn't vote ranny while ele did.
Meaningless CYA post if I ever saw one.In post 2074, Luca Blight wrote:Anyway, I'll leave it up to Datisi from here. I've said what I needed to say, but I can clarify or expand on anything if need be.
If it were up to me I'd go for Ranny, but I'm probably only 55% v 45% sure on that one. I just hope the game ends today either way.trying to make out I'm suspicious for allowing Datisi to decide the elim?still-
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NPOM was right, you are trying to pocket him.In post 2192, Rannygazoo wrote:NPOM, I love how you're brave enough to say the things I'm not.-
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This is how I feel as well, although NPOM seems to be a little more open-minded now. I still don't trust him to choose correctly if it comes down to me vs Ranny.In post 2193, Datisi wrote:tbh i feel like exeing elements today always ends in loss because one of you always votes luca tomorrow so like no thanks-
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Your stance a little earlier this day disproves that:In post 2196, NoPowerOverMe wrote:If you read great idea mafia you'll see I don't rush to judgement in elo.
In post 1881, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Today, we are eliming Elements
Tomorrow, if the game isn't over(which it should be) we are eliming Luca.-
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Not really, as I don't TR Elements over you as of right now?In post 2203, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Datisi if you make this me and ranny vs you and luca you are effectively making elements kingmaker.
If it came down to you, me and Elements in ELO I'd have to reevaluate again.-
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Flipped Townies can be wrong.In post 2213, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm flabbergasted that flipped town stated they would never vote me yet Datisi still prefers Luca.
Datisi knows my Town game very well (and apparently has experienced my scum game as well but idk which one) which explains his confidence.-
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So you're allowed to shade me but I'm not allowed to answer back?In post 2216, Rannygazoo wrote:
Look, it’s like this.In post 2209, Luca Blight wrote:Stop throwing shade then
I’m *pretty sure* the last scum is El.
I’m *very sure* that Datisi is town by mechanics and NPOM is town by play.
That means *if I’m right*, you must be town by POE.
*But* I’m not sure enough to self-hammer and trust you to get El on ELo. Even though that would make everyone’s lives easier. From my perspective, I am confirmed town and you are not. I think we win by voting El, but it’s close to the end and I have to consider all angles. And I’m going to say plainly what I think in case I’m the elim today and people need to look back at my play.
Even if that means shading you.
So you can just stop complaining about it.
If you don't want to have an argument then just drop it. If you have genuine reasons for suspecting me then by all means go right ahead.
I get that you can't fully trust me at this point if you're town, but you are reaching for the most stupid reasons to cast doubt on me and it's irritating.-
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Engage me, then. Don't just manufacture BS reasons to make out I'm suspicious.In post 2220, Rannygazoo wrote:Luca, let’s have a civil discussion if you’re capable of that. Don’t cry “STOP SHADING MEEEEEEEEE!” every time I post something you disagree with.-
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I've already explained why your reasons are complete BS.In post 2223, Rannygazoo wrote:“Not genuine” mean “I don’t like it” in Luca speak. Confbias much?
What did I do that’s not genuine? You don’t think you’re genuinely getting on my nerves, my dude?
Elements. I think NPOM is probably Town, although I sometimes get paranoid. I don't see me voting him over you or Elements as things stand.In post 2224, Rannygazoo wrote:Fine, what is the other 25%? If it’s changed by now, what is the remainder?-
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Doesn't really matter. A lot of the things you've shaded me on have been based on stuff from previous days.In post 2226, Rannygazoo wrote:Elements isn’t posting.-
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I got a big Town ping from NPOM choosing to meta me to discover that my stance towards Datisi wasn't scum-indicative. I've still got mixed feelings on the DeathNote 'crumb', but in general my gut is telling me he's more likely Town. I'd have to reevaluate again in ELO if it came down to it, but right now I think he's Town.-
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So what was I supposed to give a Town point for exactly?In post 2239, Rannygazoo wrote:
NPOM just has one scum game on record, but he was more memey/less solvey in it.In post 2007, Rannygazoo wrote:
Hey Datisi, I saw you were in the game where NPOM rolled scum. Do you have any m*ta insights to share?In post 2003, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Finished Phase 1 of my wiki.-
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If you're Town then I'm not locktown to you because if it's not Elements it must be me, right? That's fair enough. Why not just be honest about that?In post 2242, Rannygazoo wrote:
It means I’m tired of rehashing the same old arguments. I’ve spoken with you about SoS vs Zuko before. I was trying to explain to Datisi how in my POV it doesn’t make you locktown, in the last thing you were complaining about.In post 2240, Luca Blight wrote:I actually don't mind being shaded, but your points made no sense, and the fact you haven't followed up on them means you probably know that yourself.
Saying I was suspicious for voting Zuko over SoS D1 is complete and utterBSand I'll call it out as such each and every time.-
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Your 'meta-dive' wasn't comparable at all.In post 2244, Rannygazoo wrote:
Nothing really, but I thought you might want to be consistent. I don’t understand why you want to TR NPOM for meta-diving you. Are you just flattered he would do that to you?In post 2241, Luca Blight wrote:
So what was I supposed to give a Town point for exactly?In post 2239, Rannygazoo wrote:
NPOM just has one scum game on record, but he was more memey/less solvey in it.In post 2007, Rannygazoo wrote:
Hey Datisi, I saw you were in the game where NPOM rolled scum. Do you have any m*ta insights to share?In post 2003, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Finished Phase 1 of my wiki.
As scum it would have been so easy to sit in the position of 'yeah Luca is scummy for saying that'. He put in effort to actually see for himself if it was scum-indicative, and I don't think he would have done that as scum.
Based on your own meta-read on NPOM you'd surely agree with that conclusion?-
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And this is why I'm never voting Elements today. I don't trust you to make the right call in ELO between me and Ranny if Elements flips green.In post 2247, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I still think the ranny post where he scumreads two town players is town indicative.-
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Why?In post 2256, NoPowerOverMe wrote:And you're Ranny vote did not look town at all.-
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Your attempts at emotional manipulation aren't going to make me change my mind.In post 2258, Rannygazoo wrote:
If you’re town: how sad, putting in all that effort just to be wrong.In post 2255, Luca Blight wrote:I feel as though I've made solid arguments. If I need to I'll take the time to consolidate it into one post later.
If you’re scum: go get ‘em, pal!-
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I've said why I think Ranny is scum in general though, so you're taking it out of context? It's not like I haven't talked about it.In post 2260, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Because it sounded like you didn't really think Ranny was scummy, you just wanted to make sure Datisi had the deciding vote.
I've also talked about how an Elements green flip loses the game for Town, based on your earlier stance.-
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The only time I wouldn't agree to this is if I didn't trust the conftown's judgement.In post 2263, Luca Blight wrote:And as we've established, I am always willing to let the conftown decide in these situations. I'll give my opinion but at the end of the day they are in the best position to make the call.
In the game NPOM linked Kick was Conftown. In the games I linked Frogster and Joq were conftown. In this game Datisi is conftown. I respect all of these players' opinions and Mafia ability.-
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So you still suspect me for that, even though you’ve seen multiple examples of me doing the same thing as Town in previous games?In post 2269, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I don't think it's town at all to defer an elimination to a conftown. You should be conftown to yourself.
I’ve also been strongly pushing for the elim of the player I SR since I have become more sure of my read.-
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In post 2297, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Although elements posting fast night before the flip leads me to believe he is scum.
Elements was probably concerned about this and thought they'd have stronger chance WIFOM'ing Datisi in ELO.In post 2298, NoPowerOverMe wrote:In fact I'm going out on a limb and saying that's a scumslip. Town would assume the game is over especially since he voted ranny.-
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This, in hindsight, seems like ELO prep.In post 2107, Elements wrote:
Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.In post 2102, Datisi wrote:
why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?In post 2100, Elements wrote:I still just think it's ranny
Luca is also quite town.
Elements was hard TR'ing me earlier in the day, but then changes their stance here probably after reasling a NPOM elim in ELO was going to be very unlikely.-
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Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.
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At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.
Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.-
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That's one way to twist it.In post 2322, Elements wrote:
This is Luca literally setting himself up to vote whichever way the town choose to lean.In post 1717, Luca Blight wrote:Right now this is where I'm at:
NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.
Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.
Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.
Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.
I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.
By the same token Datisi was also setting himself up to vote any of them, as he was also very much torn between the three.
You're also ignoring the context - that was at the start of the day and my views (incorrectly) changed as the day developed.-
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It's called sorting.In post 2320, Elements wrote: i cba to do the other two but if you go through Luca's iso from yesterday he's throwing shade at all three of NPOM, Ranny, and I.
If it was that scummy you would have called it out Yesterday instead of saving it up for ELO.-
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Right back at ya buddyIn post 2317, Elements wrote:
I find this "case" on me absolutely hilarious. You are literally quoting my confusion at who scum could be and calling it an agenda.In post 2314, Luca Blight wrote:Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.
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At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.
Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.
Also Luca, you made the wrong kill. I was erring more on the lise of voting NPOM today if you'd killed Datisi.
I was very unsure of NPOM coming into this day, so was relieved to see him flip.
And it doesn't seem to me like it was real confusion. Easy for me to say knowing you're confscum, of course.-
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Yeah, I suspected NPOM at the start of D5 and became paranoid at certain later stages. What's the issue there?
Whereas you just followed the crowd while throwing bits of shade when it suited you, before committing to a TR when NPOM's elim seemed out of the picture.
There was nothing natural or organic about your NPOM read progression on D5.-
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I just realized something
I thought at the time that it was weird to post read lists on the start of page 2, and this now explains the purpose of them.In post 2323, Elements wrote:Spoiler:
Again, I just don't forget a scum buddy at the start of the game.
If you were Town I doubt you would have even remembered this and brought it along with you to ELO.-
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