I don’t see how this makes anything clear if you’re town?In post 1713, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1710, MathBlade wrote:I apologize I am usually better with pronouns as they are important to me.In post 1709, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1697, MathBlade wrote:I would say based on these last few pages your stock would diminish greatly if Salsa is town and Marci is scum because you actively tried to derail the Marci elim. Before today if you had asked me that question I would say Dwlee then NM then you but if that was the case throw you all in a pressure cooker and see who comes up.
I know this is a non answer but if we elim Salsa and he’s town that’s a scary proposition here because I have had a feeling a deep wolf was on DGB’s hammer and not having been able to sort there really irks me.I'm town and aShe
Not sure about the town part though.You don't have to be sure, do whatssbm's want, eliminate me today... Everything will be clear after that. If you've time, can read my recent games. But leaving me today will cause town's loose over elo, I'm always a miselimination target, also don't think I can convince town ever, so eliminate me it's the best choice for town atm.
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VOTE: Unvote
I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.
I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I see that G but it’s still policy. Not mafia didn’t have posts on site far as I can tell. It could be because scum or RL it’s kinda one of those lines I just don’t cross.
In an ideal world we just elim both Not Mafia and Marci before elo but we can’t. Like I find it odd that Kyo is saying Salsa is scummier than Not Mafia and Marci and I want to hear that explanation.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I can be sold on this group except one thing:In post 1730, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 1352, Dwlee99 wrote:If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.
VOTE: dwlee
Dwlee/N_M last 2 scum
Why were you so sure on Salsa, what did you think about her? This sudden shift seems odd now that I ask you for a case.
I am kinda nervous on policying NM but if we don’t have a rock star case it’s what we should do.
I don’t give a rats behind about “putting scum!me” to bed. Anyone who has played with scum!me knows that paranoia is healthy.
I am getting kinda paranoid of you/Not Mafia.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I really would love to hear from G/Manatee about Kyo’s change in read.
I think then based on they say we either flash NM or not.
Something doesn’t sit right and I am not sure how to say it so I am just going to let this sit and see where G and Manatee come in.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I'm not sure how to, but if you're going against your top town read someone who can't be scum to your eyes, there should be a known justifiable reason or at least a double check.In post 1743, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Give your best shot at explaining it? I dont think anything should not be sitting rightIn post 1742, MathBlade wrote:I really would love to hear from G/Manatee about Kyo’s change in read.
I think then based on they say we either flash NM or not.
Something doesn’t sit right and I am not sure how to say it so I am just going to let this sit and see where G and Manatee come in.
And no I haven't. It's super late for me and I have work in the morning.
My point also doesn't involve 233. I'm trying to figure out if you swapped because you're town and had that notion or if you're scum and realized support for Salsa wasn't going to happen and then went to Not Mafia either as a mis elim or a bus. I'm trying to get to your brain state of what made you so sure before your swap to wanting Not Mafia.
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There’s way too many posts for me to read and catch up on before work so just answering G’s question and will get to the rest at lunch / after work.
Regarding Not Mafia I agree with the sentiment. I however can’t read a trolly player like Not Mafia to save my life. I think if we are going to policy him it has to be today because if we hit town today instead then tomorrow policy elims are off the table and we have to hit scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So no, I haven’t read all the wordy words because 10 minute break but this is where my thought is at
Kyo + Salsa are pretty much gunning for Dwlee.
So if we elim not mafia and town or scum since Not mafia isn’t really being talked about in context of not mafia I don’t see that changing.
So Nm town flip a conf Townie dies
Then tomorrow we are either in MELO with two players set on Dwlee or we are in double elim two players set on Dwlee
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So from your POV best case scenario NM is elimmed flips scum (I am not going to consider NM town here because the next question means we lose)
Then assume you are elimmed
Then me 1 conf town and kyo/salsa/Marci left.
Assume conf town dead and then the scum in that three kill in kyo/salsa/Marci as I am incredibly easy to buddy as evidenced by the townreads.
What do you think elo looks like and who kills whom?
And saying scum kill me is not an option. You’re not allowed to change the parameters of the hypothetical I am hunting this for a reasonScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If I am right on who scum is this is exactly what will play out but I don’t want to tip my hand here. Because scum will change their play.In post 1811, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay so it's final 4 of you, Kyo, salsa, Marci. Then there's a no lim and you're off limits to kill for some reason.
I think Kyo would kill Marci because she could paint Salsa as DGB/NM's teammate pretty easily due to the lack of focus that I think Salsa has shown in sorting those slots.
I think Salsa would kill Kyo because Marci is an easier flip. But maybe she WIFOMs it and kills Marci now that I'm saying this.
I think Marci would kill Kyo for the same reasons Kyo would kill Marci. Salsa seems like an easy flip here.
That's what I think in that scenario, but I think you would be night killed if this actually played out because it gives way less info as to who is scum and keeps two townies able to be eliminated.
I might have said too much as it is.
Or it’s just you and Not Mafia and GG. LolScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why not? If you die and town wins who cares?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Proper procedure is a no elim at some point.In post 1815, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
You're counting down wrong.In post 1810, MathBlade wrote:So from your POV best case scenario NM is elimmed flips scum (I am not going to consider NM town here because the next question means we lose)
Then assume you are elimmed
Then me 1 conf town and kyo/salsa/Marci left.
Assume conf town dead and then the scum in that three kill in kyo/salsa/Marci as I am incredibly easy to buddy as evidenced by the townreads.
What do you think elo looks like and who kills whom?
And saying scum kill me is not an option. You’re not allowed to change the parameters of the hypothetical I am hunting this for a reason
In this hypothetical, after N_M flips scum, 1 conftown dies.
Then dwlee is eliminated the next day - and 1 more conftown dies.
There is no question of who is nightkilled unless you're assuming scum is not going to kill the conftowns b2b. In this scenario, MELO is me, you, salsa, and Marci.
So another kill is needed unless everyone just agrees I would die then we just have it out at 4ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not to me it’s not.In post 1818, Dwlee99 wrote:
It's a waste of an eliminationIn post 1814, MathBlade wrote:Why not? If you die and town wins who cares?
I think it’s likely because no one is defending Not Mafia he flips scum.
We elim you, either the game is over or we go to 4P elo.
At this point we decide to no elim or just play it out.
I think this gives us the best chance at winning. I think Dwlee is town here but I am not confident enough to stake the game on it but I think this is what we do.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am only staking the game on me being town.In post 1822, Dwlee99 wrote:You're staking the game on at least two people being town.
If NM flips town then I have myself and a conf town and we have an elo where scum have to vote first and I am deadly efficient to proper elo processes.
If NM is scum then flip you and the game isn’t won then I am betting on my ability to read the remaining three.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Take Warehouse 13 where I was sure DGB was town. I fought for it the entire time. It didn’t work and then I could go back to my PoE which pretty much was Cakez or Titus and got Cakez. There’s this illusion of “good” doesn’t miselim and having to be right that kinda permeates. It’s about stopping the wrong. If scum have no places to hide we are forced to win. I will sacrifice a VT to get a deep wolf.
Take this from earlier
If you are a VT I give 0 qualms about elimming you if it nets us the last scum or wins the game.
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Put your damn vote away. Far as I am concerned if you’re town your play is terrible and if you’re scum you want it. If you wanna help Town case someone if you think Not Mafia should not be the elim.In post 1827, Salsabil Faria wrote:By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.
Marciis saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.ssbmstill town to me, that left:
Dwlee
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Math
You can go for in this order tomorrow.
UNVOTE: Marci
VOTE: Salsabil FariaScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then who would you?In post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not comfortable betting the game on you picking among three people.
Assume we elim one town and one scum?
Who would you bet the game on deciding?
Because in the next two days we are in one of three worlds
We elim two scum we win yay
We elim two town we lose boo
Or we elim one town and one scum
My job is to get us to the point we are most likely to win
So if not me, then who?
Sure as hell won’t be you with two people in the PoE breathing down your neck.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not what I asked. Reread it.
I get you’d rather be alive but unless some people change their minds real fast that is antitown.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then act like it and do something.In post 1837, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town though
I have to work now but I wish I could just nuke everyone not confirmed and all it a day.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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First off I am a guy.In post 1839, Not_Mafia wrote:But muuuuuuuuuuuuuuum I don't wanna
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The hammer on DGB never got town cred >> Owo was in the PoE
Not wanting to vote them can be spun either way.
Salsa self voting I am kinda ignoring because it’s antitown if she is towb and if she is scum she wants her elim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.
I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.
VOTE: Not MafiaScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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[/quote]In post 1845, T3 wrote:In post 1720, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Unvote
I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.
I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.In post 1730, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 1352, Dwlee99 wrote:If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.
VOTE: dwlee
Dwlee/N_M last 2 scumIn post 1759, Salsabil Faria wrote:OkDwlee, IthinkI can believe you for a short time
UNVOTE: Dwlee
VOTE: MarciIn post 1827, Salsabil Faria wrote:By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.
Marciis saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.ssbmstill town to me, that left:
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Math
You can go for in this order tomorrow.
UNVOTE: Marci
VOTE: Salsabil FariaIn post 1829, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Salsabil Faria
Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself
[/quote]In post 1844, MathBlade wrote:I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.
I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.
VOTE: Not Mafia
At this point there’s so much posting I kinda just wanna just the night to catch up with it.
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1. We do. We could have 100. Not seeing how this makes anyone else a better elim.In post 1860, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:TLDR DWLEE CASE in 2.a.
1. We still have 3 days to deadlineIn post 1854, MathBlade wrote:In post 1845, T3 wrote:
At this point there’s so much posting I kinda just wanna just the night to catch up with it.
Does anyone have anything brief they wanna say or any reason why NM should not be the elim?
2. N_M's play is not scum-indicative. He is a policy elimination and there is no reason to policy when there exists the following alternatives:
a. Dwlee has been avoidant of questioning and is displaying inconsistencies around their handling of DGB. They have not been solving in a transparently town way, and it is easy to see the difference if you ISO Dwlee here and compare it to a towngame of his. Dwlee did not provide good reasoning to avoid eliminating DGB, and it is clear that they did not read my DGB's ISO through the lens of my case. At the time they ignored my case on DGB, he had me and DGB in his #2 and #3 townreads, but did not consider that he may be wrong on one of us at all. If he had considered it, he would have examined my case to see if it was accurate, but instead he ignored it, read DGB's ISO, and says (paraphrased) "I would only scumread them from meta, but meta is bad, and I don't want to vote them in case they are trying a new playstyle" He goes on to say that around post 260 DGB starts solving, and the solving that is in DGB's ISO is definitely not anything to hang a townread on DGB over. He has weak reasoning to TR DGB, and weak reasoning to not vote it. He also says that him wanting to eliminate N_M is because his POE is Salsabil, Marcistar, and N_M, but Salsabil and Marcistar are not teamed, so that only leaves N_M. When I ask why they are not teamed, he can only point to "vibes" which is again weak/no reasoning. I am also convinced that the usage of "divorced from" for the first time in his site-wide ego is indicative of scum searching for a powerful word to push home an exaggerated deception. He took what I said and bent it ever so slightly so he could interpret it as something else and represented it as such, then said that <that misrepresentation of my point> is divorced from <his original argument>.
b. Salsabil was not self-voting before DGB gained traction, but she began to self-vote as soon as it's wagon took off, with a huge ATE. Today they are again self-voting with ATE, probably so when N_M flips town her D1 play will look less suspicious. Salsabil has been distancing from Dwlee toDay since the moment she and Marcistar were considered a team. She comes in, says Marci and Dwlee are her scumreads, and votes Dwlee. She has to know, as town or scum, that this makes it look obviously like she is partnered with Marcistar. If she were town she would not want to give credence to the prevailing theory, and if she is scum, voting Dwlee there is an easy way to distance since town is already thinking Salsabil and Marcistar are the team. It makes Marci look bad on a Salsabil flip.
3. Math you say you are brutally efficient town. Who of the 4 candidates for elimination will provide the most useful flip for VCA? Certainly not N_M who has self-voted and not voted all game up until very recently toDay. If anything, you eliminating N_M today is contradictory to what you claim to be. Dwlee has actually used his vote in this game and shifted it around various wagons throughout D1.
4. There are actually only a few new pages of posting, and we still have 3 days, and Nights are only 2 days long. You wanting the night to catch up is inconsistent with what you said on D2. You said you asked for the Night 1 phase to be full length (not a quick night) so you could make sense of the voting patterns, but you could not, which indicated a deep wolf. If anything, you're looking to rush the day to an end now that I am building a case on Dwlee. N_M is an easy end of day compromise we're all happy with. There's no reason to end now when we have time to build actual cases and discuss them, when it is guaranteed we will be able to eliminate N_M before deadline.
2. He absolutely is. I do not want a Not Mafia that loves hammering without explanation in elo. There are other possibilities yes but I have faith those two assuming NM is town will follow elo rules. Not Mafia I do not. Leaving him alive is a huge risk. I am not sure if you know just how much of a troll Not Mafia is.
3. Most useful flip for VCA would be you. I also think that your flip would be way too damaging for town if you are town. I will sacrifice my ability for reads for town’s ability to win every time.
4. There is only a few pages but I really feel like my mind is made up here simply based on Not Mafia doing much of anything. If you can convince other people it’s the right thing then I will take another look but I see no reason to be a gambling man. Yes I am being wholly inconsistent but all that’s going on here is words. There’s no vote patterns to analyze so when I do VCA I remember who they pushed and who they didn’t want but not the details because that’s where scum like to get you.
So in short unless I am missing something it’s pretty clear Not Mafia should be the elim hereScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That’s a catch 22.In post 1869, Dwlee99 wrote:NM needs to go today. I agree people should still contribute but this day should not end on anything but killing him.
Once you’ve decided someone is an elim anything after that is theater for the next day just scum theater or town theater is tbd. That’s why it’s best to limit it to what is useful.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Only to a certain extent.In post 1871, Dwlee99 wrote:I think theater can be helpful in looking for alignment
There’s value in brevity.
At some point you reach the “eyes gloss over” point.
When you get to elo/melo and closer to it the cases should be fading away.
For example in a 1v1 and you’re the last Townie deciding the other Townie knows the other person is scum and scum knows the other person is who they have to miselim so their arguments are geared towards that. Instead you look back a few days and some progressions.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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A good rule of thumb is how many pages of someone repeating the same thing over and over again before you don’t care?
Is it 20? 10? 30? These numbers I ask not in hyperbole but to value how effective the speech is.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mine is specifically game control.In post 1883, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If you flip town, then either Salsabil or N_M is fine with me as I don't see Marci being scum here, and I only see scum!MathBlade with scum!Dwlee. I would prefer Salsa tomorrow, still for individual reasons, then Final 4 should be Me, Math, Marci, and N_M, and of those 4, N_M is clearly the scum imo. You should agree with me as well because you have vibes that Marci and Salsa are not teamed.
Assuming you are town, can you not see what Salsa is doing today? Why would you want N_M over Salsa? In fact, for anyone who is voting N_M (geraintm I've seen your reasoning but feel free to add more regarding Salsa if you like), why do you want to eliminate N_Mmore thananyone else?
It seems like everyone is afraid of having him in MELO tomorrow, but nobody but geraintm or I have offered reasoning as to why he is scum (that I can recall). The fact that everyone's quietly letting this happen feels wrong - does nobody else get that feeling?
I as pretty much confTown in like a majority of worlds should not be tipping my cards to scum at this point.
The entire idea of elo is to force scum to play by a very tight area of control.
Ideally if possible you want to force scum to vote first.
Not Mafia has a penchant for bucking any sort of rule or system set in place which means that if whoever we elim today is town we have a wildcard I can’t predict.
He has been given several chances to show a bare minimum of caring about the game and just hasn’t. Therefore he is either scum or just won’t give a damn in elo.
The more he blatantly trolls the more I think the former.
If I tip my hand too much the way I am thinking then scum adapt the scenario
Take a look at Calculasia where I was scum. Titus played that elo absolutely perfectly the way she was supposed to until she started publicly questioning which teams.
By breaking things down too much you give scum a clear path to victory.
There’s a sweet balance here.
We know the kills scum have to take which are conf town A and B. They have to make those kills OR they will no longer be in control of their vote. By remaining tight lipped at this specific moment whoever is scum doesn’t know I am a threat or not.
Elo is a big game of chicken and almost every time scum vote first town wins and vice versa if ran right.
For me to override what is a superior strategy every single time I have to be convinced that that person is 100000% scummier than someone who is seemingly not playing.
Which to be fair I don’t know if that bar is even possible.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s always good to be paranoid and talk things out. I am just literally not in the mood to post atm, kinda sick but if you have questions I will answer.In post 1890, marcistar wrote:In post 1881, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If we do Dwlee today and he is town though, thateliminates deepwolf Math from the likely pairings imo, given.his persistence on N_M today.That leaves N_M and Salsabil and I feel like in town!Dwlee world there is no way that's not the team.
is this the only reason to eliminate math from a possible paring?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I’ve seen all I need to see I think.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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ManateeLady please come hammer Not MafiaScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not_Mafia (3): MathBlade, geraintm, Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (3): ssbm_Kyouko, Not_Mafia, Salsa
Well fuck.
Dwlee and Not Mafia literally can’t change their vote.
Whichever ManateeLady votes for only gets to N-1.
Kyo seems pretty much set in her ways
Which means it’s likely me and Salsa who determine the elim.
Salsa, what’s it going to take to get you on Not Mafia?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yay! Math still can’t count.
It’s pretty much between Me Marci Salsa and Manatee.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This just seems like a desperate attempt not to elim Not Mafia lol. Like that’s just not even worth a response.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I would put the odds pretty high he flips scum.In post 1920, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Math would stake the game on N_M being scum? As in you die tomorrow if he flips town?
Bet the game, maybe.
I die tomorrow if he flips scum, no. That would be playing against wincon.
Right now I am playing the game to not lose.
Not Mafia being the elim almost assures that we (town) wins.
If Not Mafia is town and town decides that I am scum for it, then I am the elim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And that would cause us to lose but I don’t think that realistically happens here. I think I have demonstrated how I am town and I have shown it.
Your entire point is not wanting to elim Not Mafia and an exclamation point.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Merged thoughts sorry I am hella sickIn post 1921, MathBlade wrote:
I would put the odds pretty high he flips scum.In post 1920, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Math would stake the game on N_M being scum? As in you die tomorrow if he flips town?
Bet the game, maybe.
I die tomorrow if he flips town, no. That would be playing against wincon.
Right now I am playing the game to not lose.
Not Mafia being the elim almost assures that we (town) wins.
If Not Mafia is town and town decides that I am scum for it, then I am the elim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Keyword. Almost.In post 1924, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
It could be anything. It doesn't matter how small it is, it is a pattern in your play that is highly indicative of your scumgame and almost never present in your towngame. You are a creature of habit and so you stay consistent in your openings, but subconsciously, something pushes you to add that "!" when you're scum. My guess would be either you enjoy playing scum or you get nervous playing scum and overcompensate. It doesn't matter why you do it though, all that matters is that it is a provable indicator that you are >90% (estimated, the actual percentage will be coming after quotes) likely to be scum here.In post 1922, MathBlade wrote:an exclamation point.
I'm going to start getting the quotes now.
What you have even if you spam the thread with all the evidence in the world that proves your point that I do something more often as scum, this doesn’t demonstrate me being scum this game. Even if I grant your argument, which I don’t, that doesn’t make me scum this game.
So I mean post all the evidence you want but I have elimmed scum D1, tried to stop a mis elim D2, and setting up town to win today. How exactly is that scum?
You on the other hand seen desperate for straws. Especially if I assume Not Mafia scum. You’re trying to pull at literally anything so I do not control the game. This is why I am cagey because scum realize they can’t breathe.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why even look in the first place? What prompted that?In post 1928, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Disregard my exclamation point point
VOTE: dwlee
The first time I went through I was looking at Math's whole ego and clicking what looked like Games, then when I went to get quotes I did an advanced search for Author "MathBlade" Return results as "Post Topics" and Search Forums under "Mafia Games" to filter out all the other topics I was sifting through visually the first time.
I've already found 2 towngames in the first 4 or so I opened that have exclamation points, so the presence is not AI after allScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You, as town, should have a similar POV to me, as we are both the consensus townreads that are likely to be responsible for the decisionmaking in ELO due to the fact the conftown will die. You should realize, as I have, that there is no risk in outing what we're thinking as town right now - neither of us die before MELO, so our reads will not influence scums' kills, and even if they do, scum have to choose to leave conftown alive to kill either of us. That is what is actually pro-town.
I agree with the first half of this.
As there are two conf towns it remains to the remaining players to argue it out. I have provided an example where likely town lead too hard and lost for it. I am literally arguing for the plan that makes the deep wolfing you suggest rather impossible. If I was scum I could have taken up either the Salsa or Dwlee paths whichever I am not scum with.
Your arguments feel very superficial and not thought out.
Your so concerned with scum data go look at my scum win rate. Go look at the elos played.
If you’re going to make an argument I am scum actually make it.
Like I could make almost anyone except the conf town look like scum with anyone else. The difference is I am not being manipulative here.
I think Not Mafia elim wins us the game. If town disagrees and elims elsewhere it does.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Dwlee has done things?In post 1949, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I don't care about meta. Dwlee has done nothing this game. When pressured he continues to do nothing. It's egg time
And what is “egg” time? That has a different meaning than what I think is implied but I am a trans guy so maybe I am reading this wrong?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Oh *blush* Thanks for the context.
I don’t think we should elim Dwlee.
Pedit lololol
That’s hilarious.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Same question Kyo: Will you bet the game on Dwlee scum? Yes no or maybe?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Don’t give me a long winded explanation just the answerScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then why would you expect me, who would bet the game on Not Mafia being scum to join you? This is not about asking you to case Dwlee.In post 1961, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Hmm, short answer is no, I wouldn't
Assume I am town, who is scum with them?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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See you keep saying that there is an unclaimed vig.In post 1965, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Salsabil would be with Dwlee, or if there is an unclaimed vig, then n_m would be
I find that just patently untrue.
If a vig existed Not Mafia would be dead already.
Let’s assume for a moment that an unclaimed vig did exist. That would be a third town only role with Friendly Neighbor and IC both being in the game. This means 3 confirmed town roles. Vig confirms with two deaths in a night, FN and Ic confirm by action. Even if Titus didn’t claim D1 that’s three instant lock confirm roles. That almost certainly doesn’t pass review as conf town would be forced to be in elo in almost every way the game progresses.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It certainly feels like you have had a pattern of anyone but Not Mafia today. You’ve ignored G’s case on Not Mafia, flooded the thread with long wall posts with multiple other suspects. As I have stated Not Mafia is a literal troll player to me. I worry about him if he’s ever pro town.In post 1967, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I asked you if you'd stake the game on it because it feels like the way that you (and dwlee?) are saying that I want to eliminate anyonebutN_M feels like one of you knows he will flip scum, and I thought if that someone was you that I might bait you into saying you would.
Pedit: I just played a large normal with dwlee with a similar ratio of conftown
I think furthermore if you genuinely believed that you’d be taking the free scum then hunting in me+Dwlee the next day.
The fact you’re not and saying no means something here.
Pedit: It’s possible scum have a PR of some kind which is why I delayed an answer hoping they would but I doubt it. The roleblocker/stopper would have to be on Manatee every night. While it is possible if you give scum more power, if someone claims vig without using it I would probably vote the vig for not shooting Not Mafia here.
It can’t be you because you would just vig if you didn’t get your way, you’re fighting too hard.
It can’t be me because I am not a vig.
So the only options at that point are Dwlee Salsa Not Mafia and Marci for a vig.
Unlikely Not Mafia because of play and just he doesn’t seem to care
So you’re down to two people you potentially see as a team together and Marci.
Odds are no vig exists.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think we can assume all town have true claimed though. I just don’t see how this balances out without just three goons.In post 1969, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Without knowing scum's power we have no way of knowing what is balanced
Pedit: Pretty much that.
Because if a vig exists and tries to hero this and loses us the game after all the work I did I am gonna cry.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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ThisIn post 1976, Dwlee99 wrote:Or... We could kill NM today. Because probably no vigilante and he isn't even tryingScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am not comfortable making a snap decision like that while civ game is starting.
It felt like you ignored G’s case Kyo.
I don’t townread Salsa if the votes went that way so I would hammer.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I will write something up more verbose probably tomorrow if I can. This is an elite game and critical role + work tomorrow.
I just glazed over half way through most of your walls and just was like “So?” On like 90% if it. Felt like filler.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Responses in bold and underline because mobile
In post 1804, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Individual reads indicate Salsa and Marci in the same tier as scumreads above N_M. Together reads says Marci and Salsa are no scum together, Based onIn post 1612, Dwlee99 wrote:Individual reads:
Me
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Together reads: my gut is telling me NM + a deep wolf, but obviously this doesn't match with the individual reads in a quantifiable way. Might be as simple as NM + one of Marci/salsa.I don't really think that Marci and salsa are scum together though? Based on what I've seen?what Dwlee has seen.
This is the reason that N_M goes down to the bottom of the readslist - because Salsa and Marci are not scum together. It's not a good reason, so I questioned Dwlee about his reasoning, and he's dancing around giving a concrete reason to why they are not scum together. Just "vibes", but below we will see what "vibes" means in context.In post 1726, Dwlee99 wrote:Unless deepwolf I feel okay about Kyo and Mathblade. My vibe tells me salsa and Marci aren't both scum at the very least.
That leaves you
I don’t see why it’s not a good reason. I have formed reads based on who is a compatible read a lot of times. Vibes can be a thing.
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In post 1785, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
So by "Vibes don't match", you aren't even talking about vibes... you're talking about teammate equity. That is something that can be quantified. Show me, with evidence, the posts that indicate negative equity between salsa and marci.In post 1783, Dwlee99 wrote:
Given that he has hardly posted? Yea. I could see him teamed with you, Marci, or Salsa.In post 1781, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Do N_M's vibes match with anyone?In post 1776, Dwlee99 wrote:
There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't matchIn post 1774, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?
This is where he brings up Vibes. I quote reply to this post and ask if N_M's vibes match with anyone. It is clear we are talking about the same "vibes" from above
Dwlee says "yea", implying that the same type of vibes that make Marci and Salsa not teamed, are present between N_M and {myself, Marci, and Salsa}, because any of us can be his partner in Dwlee's eyes. "Vibes" can be translated to teammate equity here, and if we're talking about the same vibes as he was originally saying make Salsa and Marci unlikely partners, he's talking about negative equity. This is what I point out in the next reply.
Now he is saying it meant teammate vibes which is somehow different from teammate equity in his eyes? And refusing to quantify what is negative equity between because they're just teammate "vibes", not teammate "equity" (which are clearly, in context of 1783, the same thing). Then he says "they just don't both seem to be evil." This isn't even on the topic of teammate equity anymore, as he doesn't mention "evil together." So now he's slipping he doesn't SR one of them, imo, which is not in line with either the reads he posted earlier today, or the reasoning for voting N_M.In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation.
Titus did literally no solving. That is why she was my priority at that point in the game. I found DGB scummy only in a meta sense, and that is why I didn't vote there.Vibes don't match clearly meant teammate vibes, and no, vibes can't be quantified. They just don't seem to both be evil.The read of this argument becomes logically inconsistent as you have replaced vibes with teammate equity. Vibes is not teammate equity though. So you’ve rewritten Dwlee’s posts and then “destroyed” something Dwlee never said. So the rest of this post becomes …So? You’re not responding to what Dwlee’s posts are you’re responding through a thick layer of accidental mistranslation if town and purposeful if scum. Vibes does not translate into another conceptScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If town, you mean you’ve gotten lucky and the person happened to be scum.In post 1794, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I've caught scum with this before. I don't think it's natural language coming from you and it looks worse to me that you're brushing it off.In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation
And if you want to continue to split hairs, I didn't sayyou townread DGB for meta reasons. I saidyou used meta as a reason not to vote it, rather than examining the veracity of my case on DGB. It's a subtle difference between "townreading" and "not scumreading", but the way you leap from "not scumreading" -overmy point on examining DGB's ISO through the lens of the case in good faith - to the subtly different "townreading", and then say my point is "divorced from" your argument indicates to me that I'm onto something here and you're blowing a subtle difference out of proportion with strong languaging that you don't normally use on site.
It's not only that you're slightly misunderstanding a subtlety, but that you're then blowing the part that you misunderstand out of proportion, with unnatural language that you don't normally use,and ignoringthe clear-cut point that cannot be misunderstood. And I know you understand subtlety, because when you were arguing with Roden earlier, one of your arguments against them was that they were not making a good faith effort to repeat back what you said. What they said was that you wanted to vote me out because I was pushing you. What you wrote was more along the lines of "Kyouko is scummy because she should know that town!me has a problem with his attention span", (from memory, feel free to correct if this is wrong)In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:
You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.In post 552, Roden wrote:
I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.In post 544, Roden wrote:
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.
Some people use phrases more or less than others.
You haven’t demonstrated why this phrase is scummy and the rest of this post follows the idea that a certain phrase is scummy which I don’t subscribe to which again makes the rest of this … So?
If you don’t prove the premises/prior parts I find it very difficult to engage with the rest of the content because it’s flawed.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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She attempted to try to peddle Dwlee and Salsa as miselims rather than vote her buddy. I think the case speaks for itself here. I would be shocked if we had a day 5.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then help me do that. If you’re town point me in the right direction. You’re right in that if I was scum I could have taken up any of the other wagons that popped up and didn’t. Imagine this was elo and you and i conf and it was elim or lose. Who goes for you and why?In post 2020, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think Math is town after that. He could just have easily gotten support for Marci for quickhammering on D2, as his point was neither of them should be around for ELO. If Math was scum with N_M he could have pushed Marci instead.
Pedit: You need to consider who else is scum because the game does not end with me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t think it’s too scummy to be scum there. Too scummy to be scum would be an outright defense. What Kyo did was continually suggest other people.In post 2022, Dwlee99 wrote:The one thing giving me pause on is would scum!Kyo be that obvious there? Too scummy to be scum?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is also the extent of her attempting to meta Not Mafia versus say me.
For me she seems to be trying to find anything to scumify me and when it didn’t work she backed off.
It’s more like she’s scum who didn’t like I had her buddy pinned.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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She either A> has some software to read that many games that quickly >> In this case why not Not Mafia?
B> She spent read a lot of my games >> In this case why not Not Mafia who usually has way less of a post count.
Or C > The argument was preprepared in advance and she couldn’t build a similar one for Not Mafia.
Is it possible she is town of course? Probable is a whole nother matter and I just don’t see that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think the simple answer is you shot her to avoid potentially being guarded for leading the DGB wagon.In post 2025, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Seeing it was N_M and DGB so far that have flipped, whoever the third scum is was entirely alone D1, and was probably alone in choosing the NK. Personally I think this points the most towards Marci and Dwlee, but if Salsabil is town the play has just been atrocious. I couldn't make sense of it.
If I had to pick one player right now I really dont know. I was reading a lot of Roden overnight once I realized that the scumflips meant the third scum was essentially alone due to DGB and N_M's activity. This led me towards either Marci or Dwlee, as Roden was pushing on them both and was TRing DGB until I wagoned it. He was blind to DGB until I pointed it out. Before that, he was pressuring Marci and a little bit Dwlee, but my impression was it was mostly pressure on Marci. He came back around to pushing Dwlee in twilight, going so far as to tell him to "enjoy his babysit" iirc. I dont have my notes handy atm.
I still think we can look at the FN crumb and the Babysitter claim and question why it was Roden over a PR, and why was it Roden over me? It's easy to say Roden over me because I'm scum, but I found a readslist of Roden's that I think is kinda my salvation. He has me, DGB, as high TRs, and N_M as a townlean. Why do I, in that situation, flashwagon DGB at the end of the day and then kill a widely TRed player that considered me a part of their townblock? I, as scum, would probably shoot Titus there to kill the Babysitter while there are more town available and she is statistically more likely to target town than mafia.
So it comes back to, why was Roden killed over a PR? Easy enough to say if they saw the FN crumb that they figured Titus would have too, and thought she could protect Manatee. Also easy enough to say the last scum didnt want to risk being targeted by Titus. I think Roden was killed because he was pushing Dwlee and Marci. If he was killed for being TRed it would have been me, so there must have been another reason.
If we assume not you then it would probably have to me someone not attentive and I don’t know Salsa and Marci enough to make that determination but probably not DwleeeScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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