Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[Dwlee99]

My level of engagement depends on the game, playerlist, my vibes on that day, etc. I get into solving at very different times depending on all those factors, and self-meta makes me think that having trouble getting into the game isn't indicative of my alignment one way or the other.

[Dwlee99]

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

[Dwlee99]

There's another issue with your reasoning here but I want to see if you realize it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didn't find DGB's ISO scummy when I read it, but I felt it was off in a meta way.

So meta is bad when it's used on you, but you used it when reading (scum) DGB, rather than examining it to see if the case presented by your townread (me) makes sense? I would think in good faith you would be looking at it through the lens of the case to see if the case even makes sense, which gives you more info to sort me with right away. Instead you ignored the case and decided because the meta

didn't align with DGB's towngame, that it may have been trying a different playstyle

. Again the way you handle DGB doesn't make sense when you compare it to the way you handle other players in this game. You have an informed preference to not eliminate DGB, and the points you use to defend that stance do not apply to other players. Furthermore, they directly contradict what you're saying with regards to meta now when it is convenient for you.

Spoiler: Titus's ISO through 462

VOTE: MaxTheFox

I should be looking after my godchild but I am posting instead.

Hydra with your godchild

Far too young to do that with. I want them to think most people are good when they grow up.

VOTE: Titus

Serial killer hero solve.

Nope. I will win with my mason buddies again, just you watch.

To be fair, you didn't throw. Almost everyone else did.

The kid was cuter

All the kids are mine.

VOTE: looker

Life is getting complicated. I'll try to be here.

We can't say

<redacted spoiler tag containing forbidden word>

; it's forbidden.

Also, Titus and ssbm_Kyouko are dating. Congrats!

My boyfriend is going to find this awkward.

I keep telling him I have to spend time with my godchild.

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

Agreed.

Hi elo buddy!

Catching up tomorrow.

Spoiler: DGB's ISO up to my case

Hello ego post.

did you know that orthogonal states of the spin half quantum sub space are 180 degrees instead of your conventional 90

I'd love to see the mathematical proof of this

NOT

I am masons with your mum

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Reviewed by Isis and mastina.

Reviewed by Isis

Reviewed by

Isis

uh oh

DGB who is evil?

I'm on page 5 and it's still nothing but a

confusion of fakeclaims.

Get it? Like a murder of crows.

I wonder if some of it is deliberate.

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

Whassup with dat??? Right?

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

He's the only one who is actually trying to play the game.

Scum!Not_Mafia is usually happy to troll.

Saudade and Kyouko are also getting annoyed and taking initiative to get the game started, so town points for that.

The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

This feels like scum backing down with their tail between their legs.

but really like their posting screams "I am uninformed"

Can you elaborate on this? Whose posting? How does it scream "I am uninformed"?

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

Is this "caught for the wrong reasons?"

That's the question.

I'm giving myself 3 days to read Titus.

Is everyone just ignoring I claimed mason? Ok

The real masons are probably the ones not claiming mason.

Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.

How?

To pull a T3,

I don't think T3 is ever living that down. Poor guy.

What did I miss?

To pull a T3,

I don't think T3 is ever living that down. Poor guy.

What did I miss?

In a recently ended mini normal t3 claimed a guilty on his scum buddy while he was traitor. Promptly got nightkilled.

Site history!

What dad joke?

When does a joke become a dad joke?

When it becomes apparent.

FTR I'm never trusting Titus' MB read ever again.

VOTE: oʍo

I was getting the feeling that Dwlee is just a flailing townie.

I have seen it before when he tunneled on me!town for 87 straight gamedays.

UNVOTE:

OmO looking better and dropping town tells.

they dont post often so they didnt really ease my leftover worries from looker <3

LOL I just replaced.

Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

Based on this alone, she's scum.

VOTE: marci

UNVOTE: hmmmmmm

Tentatively, MathBlade dropping town tells in #920.

marci not acting like a total scumfuck in response to votes is good but idk if its good enough for me

ORLY

VOTE: ManateeDude

ATTENTION ALL VANITY VOTERS:

Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball (1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia (1):

Not_Mafia

You don't want to miss the 5:15 to Limtown.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There's another issue with your reasoning here but I want to see if you realize it

What post is it in?

[Dwlee99]

Your quoting of DGB's ISO proves my point. Around the post 260 point, DGB starts doing solving things.

And no, I didn't use meta to townread it. I don't like using meta. I don't think I ever really use meta. I said that from my reading of DGB's ISO, I would only scumread it from meta, not play. Your entire paragraph is divorced from what I was saying and have been saying about why I didn't really scumread DGB.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

Do N_M's vibes match with anyone?

[Dwlee99]

There's another issue with your reasoning here but I want to see if you realize it

What post is it in?

It's your entire argument/solve.

[Dwlee99]

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

Do N_M's vibes match with anyone?

Given that he has hardly posted? Yea. I could see him teamed with you, Marci, or Salsa.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your entire paragraph is

divorced

from what I was saying

This feels unnatural, like when scum searches for a powerful word to drive a point home. A quick ego search reveals you haven't used the term before. Why now?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

Do N_M's vibes match with anyone?

Given that he has hardly posted? Yea. I could see him teamed with you, Marci, or Salsa.

So by "Vibes don't match", you aren't even talking about vibes... you're talking about teammate equity. That is something that can be quantified. Show me, with evidence, the posts that indicate negative equity between salsa and marci.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There's another issue with your reasoning here but I want to see if you realize it

What post is it in?

It's your entire argument/solve.

How specific. Can't say I'm surprised.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also the "solving" by DGB that starts around 260 is easily faked, much like any "solving" that has appeared in your ISO in this game. The transparently town motivation is not there in your ISO this game.

[geraintm]

I see that G but it’s still policy. Not mafia didn’t have posts on site far as I can tell. It could be because scum or RL it’s kinda one of those lines I just don’t cross.

In an ideal world we just elim both Not Mafia and Marci before elo but we can’t. Like I find it odd that Kyo is saying Salsa is scummier than Not Mafia and Marci and I want to hear that explanation.

do you think there is any way we can let not mafia not get voted off either today or tomorrow with the level of content from them? we don't appear to have much in the way of investigatory powers on town side, and they are perfectly capable of just sitting this game out.
i don't see any obvious blunders from anyone else in the game to justify voting elsewhere right now.

[geraintm]

has everyone claimed by the way?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yes, everyone has claimed VT except the 2 conftown

[Dwlee99]

Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation.

Titus did literally no solving. That is why she was my priority at that point in the game. I found DGB scummy only in a meta sense, and that is why I didn't vote there. Vibes don't match clearly meant teammate vibes, and no, vibes can't be quantified. They just don't seem to both be evil.

[MathBlade]

There’s way too many posts for me to read and catch up on before work so just answering G’s question and will get to the rest at lunch / after work.

Regarding Not Mafia I agree with the sentiment. I however can’t read a trolly player like Not Mafia to save my life. I think if we are going to policy him it has to be today because if we hit town today instead then tomorrow policy elims are off the table and we have to hit scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Technically there could be more to your or Manatee's roles but unless the "more" is that one of you has a vig-shot or an investigative result, we're no better off right now than pre-massclaim.

Since everyone has claimed VT any action or no result besides Manatees FN is a guilty though.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation

I've caught scum with this before. I don't think it's natural language coming from you and it looks worse to me that you're brushing it off.

And if you want to continue to split hairs, I didn't say

you townread DGB for meta reasons

. I said

you used meta as a reason not to vote it, rather than examining the veracity of my case on DGB

. It's a subtle difference between "townreading" and "not scumreading", but the way you leap from "not scumreading" -

over

my point on examining DGB's ISO through the lens of the case in good faith - to the subtly different "townreading", and then say my point is "divorced from" your argument indicates to me that I'm onto something here and you're blowing a subtle difference out of proportion with strong languaging that you don't normally use on site.

It's not only that you're slightly misunderstanding a subtlety, but that you're then blowing the part that you misunderstand out of proportion, with unnatural language that you don't normally use,

and ignoring

the clear-cut point that cannot be misunderstood. And I know you understand subtlety, because when you were arguing with Roden earlier, one of your arguments against them was that they were not making a good faith effort to repeat back what you said. What they said was that you wanted to vote me out because I was pushing you. What you wrote was more along the lines of "Kyouko is scummy because she should know that town!me has a problem with his attention span", (from memory, feel free to correct if this is wrong)

VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.

I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?

Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.

I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?

You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.

[Dwlee99]

No, I didn't not vote DGB for meta reasons. Didn't read the rest cause I assume the rest of it is based on that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you conveniently stopped reading the moment before the point you ignored before appeared for the second time. Why did you not read DGB's ISO through the lens of my case against DGB?

[Dwlee99]

Are you going to address that I didn't not vote DGB for meta reasons?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

HUH IS DWLEE A REPLACE IN- i just lowkey felt bad for them based on what they were saying

This is a real reaction and doesnt come from Dwlee's partner and I'll die on this hill

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Are you going to address that I didn't not vote DGB for meta reasons?

I did. I said the posts that start around 260 that look "solving" are easily faked. The fact remains that you did not look at the ISO through the lens of my case. If you TRed both me and DGB, which you said you did, as town, you should have been examining my case on DGB closely 10 times out of 10, as it would indicate a possible blind spot in your reads. You would want to see if you were wrong about DGB, or me, and if you came.to the conclusion you were not wrong, and that my case was wrong, but not in bad faith, you would want to correct my read on DGB.

But you're not town, so none of that happened.