Mini Normal 2238 | Game Over

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:44 pm

I still dont understand what Green Unicorn Iguanas means. What does GUI mean? Like how does that become a crumb. Suppose you checked me, how do you crumb that I cant communicate?

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:45 pm

In post 4048, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4044, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Kerset
Why did you come up with TA again? Remind me?

I thought you had slipped your own role.

Speculation. All I can say for now.

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:51 pm

In post 4057, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4053, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 4048, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4044, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Kerset
Why did you come up with TA again? Remind me?

I thought you had slipped your own role.
Speculation. All I can say for now.
That’s oddly specific. I as a neighbor thought PT cop or TA. *eyebrow raise*

I have reason to believe there is a TA because I'm aware of a role that a TA would see and a PT cop would not see.

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:26 am

I can confirm what DotW claimed. That's why I got pinged by the iguanas getting shipped to Titus, because I suspected someone had impersonated DotW when mailing me, until I saw him crumb about snail mail. I thought somehow an Iguana was a reference to a lizard like a Bearded Dragon or a Komodo Dragon that lead to "Dragon", and the shipment implied it came from somewhere else ("The West"?)

It seemed suspicious to me that Titus would know about DotW being a mailman unless Titus also received mail, or she was the impersonator. As I caught up though I saw the crumb from DotW and that's why I relaxed on the iguanas. DotW asked me to crumb to him who he should send mail to by referring to him as Dragon instead of DotW, so if you ISO me today you'll see I only used "Dragon" when trying to hint at who he should message (A50 and Nero).

While we're at it I'm VT.

Didn't Nero claim vig of some kind?

Also, making Titus Novice and House Lazy makes it so those investigatives are pretty weak. I also believe Cop the least but if he's town Ythan probably just gets shot so I'm chillin. Unless we have like, multiple scum fakeclaiming it seems ideal to just eliminate VTs. and if multiple scum are fakeclaiming the mechanics will out them I think.

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:45 am

In post 4182, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4116, Titus wrote:If there is a cop,
Based on what I have gathered from my skim I very much doubt there's an Alignment Cop in play. The closest to one would probably be a Vanilla Cop (not even a Nea).

SO, I gather Titus is TA, Dragon is Mailman, Kyou is Informed, that in addition to Math, DGB, House and myself having all claimed previously. Did I miss anything?

I'm not informed, I'm VT. I was Dragon's target last Night. I was being intentionally ambiguous because I wasn't sure if he wanted to claim yet. I was going to mention I was targeted by *an unnamed* mailman last Night, but thought DotW's snail mail crumb would be painfully obvious to any crumb hunters if I did that, so I just waited for him to claim if he wanted to.

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:40 am

In post 4159, Kerset wrote:Kyouko why are you scumreading me?

Poe, there are so many PR claims they can sort out overNight. I'm of the opinion a VT should die today, and A50 has already been jailed once, so my hope is Math will jail him again toNight. Pretty much just leaves me and you as VTs, maybe I've forgotten someone else

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:59 am

In post 4217, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Unvote

I know this is scummy but I wanna no elim hard

I dont think it's scummy given the claims we have out, and the fact we're on evens. I'd do that as well

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:04 am

In post 4457, House wrote:On to the next order of business.

I've rolecopped

Spoiler:
TBA

It's time for mass claim.

Vanilla Town

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:21 am

Dragon of the West - Mailman
ssbm_Kyouko - VT

Kerset - Put herself into own claim list as (VT?). Not actually claimed (unless I missed it)
Nero Cain - VT
DrippingGoofball - Neighbor (not fullclaimed)
House - JOAT: Rolecop, Roleblock, Neighborizer
Andresvmb - VT
Almost50 - VT
MathBlade - Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Titus - Traffic Analyst

Flipped Town
1-shot cop

Flipped Scum
Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Ascetic Bulletproof

I think we need full claims from DBG and Kerset still. I think Kerset implied she's VT with her own list of claims yesterDay but didn't actually claim it outright

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:39 am

I can appreciate thinking Titus is scum here as she's been pinging me from D1, but unless we have like, 3 groupscum AND a traitor I just don't think that's the case. The existence of neighbors, mailman, neighborizer, an immune mafia (ascetic), and a mafia that can become aware of town's false positives (combined rolecop voyeur would see upon targeting DotW, DGB, or Math, if Titus targeted the same person, that a Neighbor or Mailman was targeted by a TA), I just feel like Titus's role makes sense as some mostly negative utility that can catch only Wake if there is a traitor, otherwise could catch 2 scum, but has a plethora of false positive landmines to dodge.

I think mechanically, unless the theory is that there are still 2 scum, a group and a traitor, Titus's role just doesn't belong to scum. I haven't seen enough town power to believe we're in a 3+1 scum game.

Now it is possible mechanically speaking that the mailman is scum, which gives 1 scum immunity to Titus, and 1 scum a confirmable escape from a Titus guilty (because we have a town Rolecop in this scenario), but I've been jiving with what DotW was saying most of yesterDay. I'm going to go back and reread the message he sent me.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:41 am

I remember DotW mentioning a few things - 1 that he was not confident in how to use his role and he asked for advice. He asked I crumb the advice by mentioning him as Dragon instead of DotW. 2 That I was his strongest TR from D1 and that's why he targeted me. It could have been a pocketing attempt as my read on him definitely ended up going upwards after that, during D2. So like, if it was, it worked. But I'll reread it and think on it. Have to check my and his ISOs as well to see if I TRed him at all D1 or if he expressed a strong TR on me.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:45 am

Mmm, I just reread the PM. It was pretty short - examining the verbiage I don't think he was trying to pocket me.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:48 am

In post 4487, DrippingGoofball wrote:Dragon's role is a bit sus, even though we know the role is real. It's not necessarily town.

Do you have any other roles or modifiers that would be relevant to determining the setup balance?

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:52 am

Spoiler: Dwlee watching us right now as we speculate on this wild-ass setup

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:55 am

BP on the scumteam could be a red herring and there is no vig (which seems to be the case) - or it was there to reduce the info that scum got on town's power. They wouldn't know if CSF was ascetic to dodge investigations, BP to dodge vigilantes, or both to dodge both.

So maybe assuming there is a vig is a scumslip, but I think Nero's crumbs were apparent enough that I would buy an uninformed Math drawing that conclusion. I'mma step back from this, I think setup spec is a bait in this one.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:30 pm

In post 4508, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4503, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:BP on the scumteam could be a red herring and there is no vig (which seems to be the case) - or it was there to reduce the info that scum got on town's power. They wouldn't know if CSF was ascetic to dodge investigations, BP to dodge vigilantes, or both to dodge both.

So maybe assuming there is a vig is a scumslip, but I think Nero's crumbs were apparent enough that I would buy an uninformed Math drawing that conclusion. I'mma step back from this, I think setup spec is a bait in this one.
Furthermore I didn’t believe Nero was a vig and if he is ??? He said he wasn’t.

Where are you getting Nero vig from? Nero is conf town anyway. He could be Miller ascetic disloyal tomatoes and I don’t care anymore it’s more scum over roles

Thought it was you that pointed to the posts where he was talking about "I give you bullets, who do you shoot tonight" - could be remembering wrong

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:48 pm

In post 4580, House wrote:Since Math is obviously not going to out the truth, I will.

He's a Jailkeeper.

No modifier.

VOTE: Mathblade

GG

You said your rolecop was lazy. Are you sticking by that, thus confirming there are 4 scum?

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:07 pm

In post 4590, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4585, House wrote:
In post 4584, DrippingGoofball wrote:Told you he no-killed.

VOTE: MathBlade
This is a town reaction.
In post 4581, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 4580, House wrote:Since Math is obviously not going to out the truth, I will.

He's a Jailkeeper.

No modifier.

VOTE: Mathblade

GG
What about Neighbor?
This is not.

VOTE: Andresvmb

I copped DGB, who returned only Neighbor.
That seems more like a House thing to do.

Good work House.

Yeah I will vote Andres or Kerset and JK the other.

VOTE: Andres

Popularity contest time.

I'm confused now because my impression was that House is claiming now that he is a full rolecop who targeted DGB N1, saw it was vanilla, and decided to say that was his roleblock. It's a clever fakeclaim for an actual rolecop and tbh I think I'll just assume if house is claiming anything to do with JOAT in the future he's lying (chrono trigger Chronicles, also I think he did it years ago as his CTC claim was vaguely familiar)

I guess I have to keep reading to see but dont have time atm. Seeya later

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:52 pm

Spoiler: I should also be blue as a claimed VT. Nero too I think

In post 4648, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Claimed VTs are in blue.

Vote Count 1.01

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -
Gammathan
,
Cat Scratch Fever
, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1) - Dragon of the West

Kerset
(1) - ssbm_Kyouko
Nero Cain (1) - MathBlade
Mathblade (1) - Nero Cain
Cat Scatching Fever (1) - Titus
DrippingGoofball (1) - House

Not voting (4):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Andresvmb
, Almost50

Vote Count 1.02

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -
Gammathan
,
Cat Scratch Fever
, DrippingGoofball
Cat Scatching Fever (2) - Titus, House
Titus (1) - Dragon of the West

Kerset
(1) - ssbm_Kyouko
Nero Cain (1) - MathBlade
Mathblade (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (4):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Andresvmb
, Almost50

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4) - MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House,
Gammathan

DrippingGoofball (2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, Nero Cain
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus
Titus (1) - Dragon of the West

Kerset
(1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Andresvmb

Vote Count 1.04

Nero Cain (4) - MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House,
Gammathan

DrippingGoofball (2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, Nero Cain

Gammathan
(2) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus
Titus (1) - Dragon of the West

Not voting (2):
Wake88
,
Kerset

Vote Count 1.05

Nero Cain (4) - MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House,
Gammathan

Gammathan
(3) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus
Titus (1) - Dragon of the West

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (2):
Wake88
,
Kerset

Vote Count 1.06

Nero Cain (3) - MathBlade, DrippingGoofball,
Gammathan

Gammathan
(3) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Almost50 (1) - House
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West

Not voting (2):
Wake88
,
Kerset

Vote Count 1.07

Gammathan
(3) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
Nero Cain (2) - DrippingGoofball,
Gammathan

Kerset
(2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, House
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
, MathBlade

Vote Count 1.08

Gammathan
(4) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, House
Nero Cain (1) - DrippingGoofball

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West
Almost50 (1) - MathBlade

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 1.09

Gammathan
(4) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, House
Nero Cain (1) - DrippingGoofball

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
Cat Scatch Fever (1) - Titus
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West
Titus (1) - MathBlade

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 1.10

Gammathan
(3) -
Andresvmb
, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
Dragon of the West (3) - Titus, House, MathBlade
Nero Cain (1) - DrippingGoofball

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Almost50
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 1.11

Dragon of the West (3) - Titus, House, MathBlade

Gammathan
(2) -
Andresvmb
, Nero Cain

Kerset
(2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - DrippingGoofball
Titus (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 1.12

Dragon of the West (E-2) - Titus, House, MathBlade,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50

Gammathan
(2) -
Andresvmb
, Nero Cain
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - DrippingGoofball
Titus (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3):
Wake88
,
Kerset
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 1.13

Dragon of the West (4) - Titus, House,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50

Gammathan
(2) -
Andresvmb
, Nero Cain
Almost50 (2) -
Wake88
, MathBlade
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - DrippingGoofball
Titus (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Not voting (1):
Gammathan

Vote Count 1.14

Dragon of the West (4) - Titus, House,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50

Gammathan
(2) -
Andresvmb
, Nero Cain
Almost50 (2) -
Wake88
, MathBlade
MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West
Titus (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Not voting (2):
Gammathan
, DrippingGoofball

Vote Count 1.15

Dragon of the West (3) - Titus,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

MathBlade (1) - Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

ssbm_Kyouko (1) - MathBlade
Nero Cain (1) - House

Not voting (2):
Gammathan
, DrippingGoofball

Vote Count 1.16

Dragon of the West (4) - Titus,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50, House
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
MathBlade (2) - Dragon of the West,
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

ssbm_Kyouko (1) - MathBlade

Not voting (1): DrippingGoofball

Vote Count 1.17

Dragon of the West (E-2) - Titus,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50, House, MathBlade
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
MathBlade (2) - Dragon of the West,
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Not voting (1): DrippingGoofball

Vote Count 1.18

Dragon of the West (E-2) - Titus,
Cat Scratch Fever
, Almost50, House, MathBlade
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Not voting (1): DrippingGoofball

Vote Count 1.19

Dragon of the West (4) - Titus, Almost50, House, MathBlade
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Andresvmb
(1) - DrippingGoofball

Wake88
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (0):

Vote Count 1.20

Titus (4) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, MathBlade
Dragon of the West (3) - Titus, Almost50, House
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Wake88
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (0):

Vote Count 1.21

Titus (3) - ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball
Dragon of the West (3) - Titus, Almost50, House
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Wake88
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 1.22

Dragon of the West (3) - Titus, Almost50, House
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Wake88
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 1.23

Dragon of the West (3) - Titus, Almost50, House
Titus (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Andresvmb

Almost50 (1) -
Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Wake88
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 1.24

Dragon of the West (2) - Titus, Almost50
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain
Almost50 (2) -
Wake88
, DrippingGoofball

Wake88
(2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, House
Titus (1) - ssbm_Kyouko
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 1.25

Wake88
(3) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, House, Titus
Almost50 (3) -
Wake88
, DrippingGoofball, ssbm_Kyouko
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain
Dragon of the West (1) - Almost50
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 1.26

Almost50 (4) -
Wake88
, DrippingGoofball, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade

Wake88
(3) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, House, Titus
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain
Dragon of the West (1) - Almost50
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Vote Count 1.27

Almost50 (3) -
Wake88
, DrippingGoofball, MathBlade

Wake88
(3) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, House, Titus
House (3) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko
Dragon of the West (1) - Almost50
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) -
Kerset

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Vote Count 1.28

Wake88
(4) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, House, Titus, Almost50
House (3) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko
Almost50 (2) -
Wake88
, DrippingGoofball
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Andresvmb
(1) -
Kerset

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 1.29

Wake88
(4) - House, Titus, Almost50, MathBlade
House (3) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko
Almost50 (2) -
Wake88
, DrippingGoofball
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Andresvmb
(1) -
Kerset

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.30

Andresvmb
(4) -
Kerset
, House, DrippingGoofball,
Wake88

Wake88
(3) - Titus, Almost50, MathBlade
House (3) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Kerset
(1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.31

House (4) - Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Nero Cain

Andresvmb
(3) -
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball,
Wake88

Wake88
(2) - Titus, Almost50
MathBlade (1) -
Gammathan

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1) - House

Not voting (1):
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.32

House (4) - Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Nero Cain

Andresvmb
(2) - DrippingGoofball,
Wake88

Wake88
(2) - Titus, Almost50
MathBlade (2) -
Gammathan
,
Kerset

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1) - House

Not voting (1):
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.33

Wake88
(4) - Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball
House (3) - Dragon of the West, MathBlade, Nero Cain
MathBlade (2) -
Gammathan
,
Kerset

Andresvmb
(1) -
Wake88

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1) - House

Not voting (1):
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.34

Wake88
(3) - Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko
MathBlade (3) -
Gammathan
,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Andresvmb
(1) -
Wake88

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1) - House
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - MathBlade

Not voting (1):
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.35

Wake88
(E-2) - Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Dragon of the West
MathBlade (3) -
Gammathan
,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
House (1) - Nero Cain

Andresvmb
(1) -
Wake88

Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1) - House

Not voting (1):
Cat Scratch Fever

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Wake88
(Hammered!) - Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Dragon of the West, Nero Cain,
Wake88

MathBlade (3) -
Gammathan
,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
Nero Cain (1) -
Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1) - House

Not voting (1):
Cat Scratch Fever

===============================================

Vote Count 2.00

Not voting (12): Dragon of the West,
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball,
Cat Scratch Fever
, House,
Andresvmb
, Almost50, MathBlade, Titus

Vote Count 2.01

DrippingGoofball (2) - DrippingGoofball, Titus
Almost50 (1) - House

Not voting (9): Dragon of the West,
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain,
Cat Scratch Fever
,
Andresvmb
, Almost50, MathBlade

Vote Count 2.02

DrippingGoofball (4) - DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, MathBlade

Not voting (8): Dragon of the West,
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain,
Cat Scratch Fever
,
Andresvmb
, Almost50

Vote Count 2.03

Kerset
(2) - MathBlade, House
DrippingGoofball (1) - DrippingGoofball
House (1) - Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - Titus

Not voting (7):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain,
Cat Scratch Fever
,
Andresvmb
, Almost50

Vote Count 2.04

DrippingGoofball (4) - DrippingGoofball, MathBlade,
Cat Scratch Fever
, House
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Almost50

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - Titus

Not voting (5):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain,
Andresvmb

Vote Count 2.05

DrippingGoofball (4) - DrippingGoofball, MathBlade,
Cat Scratch Fever
, House
House (2) - Dragon of the West, Almost50

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - Titus

Not voting (5):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain,
Andresvmb

Vote Count 2.06

DrippingGoofball (4) - DrippingGoofball, MathBlade,
Cat Scratch Fever
, House
House (1) - Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - Titus

Gammathan
(1) - Almost50

Not voting (5):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain,
Andresvmb

Vote Count 2.07

Cat Scratch Fever
(2) - Titus, DrippingGoofball
DrippingGoofball (2) - MathBlade,
Cat Scratch Fever

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Gammathan
(1) - Almost50

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

MathBlade (1) - House

Not voting (4):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.08

DrippingGoofball (2) - MathBlade,
Cat Scratch Fever

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - DrippingGoofball
House (1) - Dragon of the West

Gammathan
(1) - Almost50

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

MathBlade (1) - House

Andresvmb
(1) - Titus

Not voting (4):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.09

Andresvmb
(2) - Titus, House
DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - DrippingGoofball
House (1) - Dragon of the West

Gammathan
(1) - Almost50

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

House (1) - MathBlade

Not voting (4):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.10

Cat Scratch Fever
(3) - DrippingGoofball, Titus, House

Kerset
(2) -
Andresvmb
, MathBlade
DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Gammathan
(1) - Almost50

Not voting (4):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.11

Cat Scratch Fever
(E-2) - DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

House (1) - Dragon of the West

Not voting (4):
Gammathan
, ssbm_Kyouko,
Kerset
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.12

Cat Scratch Fever
(E-2) - DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

House (1) - Dragon of the West
MathBlade (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3):
Gammathan
,
Kerset
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.13

Cat Scratch Fever
(3) - DrippingGoofball, Titus, House
DrippingGoofball (2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, MathBlade

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

House (1) - Dragon of the West
MathBlade (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (4):
Gammathan
,
Kerset
, Nero Cain, Almost50

Vote Count 2.14

Gammathan
(4) - Almost50, House, Titus,
Kerset

DrippingGoofball (2) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, MathBlade

Cat Scratch Fever
(1) - DrippingGoofball

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

House (1) - Dragon of the West
MathBlade (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Vote Count 2.15

Gammathan
(E-2) - Almost50, House, Titus,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
DrippingGoofball (3) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, MathBlade, Nero Cain
House (1) - Dragon of the West

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

MathBlade (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1):
Gammathan

Vote Count 2.16

Gammathan
(E-2) - Almost50, House, Titus,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
DrippingGoofball (3) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, MathBlade, Nero Cain
House (1) - Dragon of the West

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

MathBlade (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1):
Gammathan

Vote Count 2.17

Gammathan
(E-2) - Almost50, House, Titus,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
DrippingGoofball (3) -
Cat Scratch Fever
, MathBlade, Nero Cain
House (2) - Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

Not voting (1):
Gammathan

Vote Count 2.18

Gammathan
(E-1) - Almost50, House, Titus,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball, Nero Cain
House (2) - Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade
DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

Not voting (1):
Gammathan

Vote Count 2.19

Gammathan
(4) - Almost50, House,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball
House (3) - Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade
DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Kerset
(1) -
Andresvmb

Dragon of the West (1) - Titus

Not voting (2):
Gammathan
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.20

Gammathan
(4) - Almost50,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball, Titus
House (3) - Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade
DrippingGoofball (1) -
Cat Scratch Fever

Titus (1) -
Andresvmb

MathBlade (1) - House

Not voting (2):
Gammathan
, Nero Cain

Vote Count 2.21

Gammathan
(4) - Almost50,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball, Titus

Kerset
(3) - MathBlade, ssbm_Kyouko,
Cat Scratch Fever

House (1) - Dragon of the West
MathBlade (1) - House

Not voting (3): Nero Cain,
Andresvmb
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 2.22

Gammathan
(4) - Almost50,
Kerset
, DrippingGoofball, Titus

Kerset
(3) - MathBlade, ssbm_Kyouko,
Cat Scratch Fever

House (1) - Dragon of the West
MathBlade (1) - House

Not voting (3): Nero Cain,
Andresvmb
,
Gammathan

Vote Count 2.23

Kerset
(3) - ssbm_Kyouko,
Cat Scratch Fever
,
Gammathan

Cat Scratch Fever
(3) - Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, Titus

Gammathan
(1) -
Kerset

House (1) - Dragon of the West
MathBlade (1) - House
No Elimination (1) - Almost50

Not voting (2):
Andresvmb
, MathBlade

Vote Count 2.24

Cat Scratch Fever
(5) - Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, Titus,
Andresvmb
, House

Kerset
(3) - ssbm_Kyouko,
Cat Scratch Fever
,
Gammathan

Gammathan
(1) -
Kerset

House (1) - Dragon of the West
No Elimination (1) - Almost50

Not voting (1): MathBlade

Vote Count 2.FINAL

Cat Scratch Fever
(Hammered!) - Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, Titus,
Andresvmb
, House, Dragon of the West,
Kerset

Kerset
(3) - ssbm_Kyouko,
Cat Scratch Fever
,
Gammathan

No Elimination (1) - Almost50

Not voting (1): MathBlade

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:53 pm

^A50 is claimed VT too

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:02 pm

In post 4658, DrippingGoofball wrote:Looking at the votes, the worst blue player is Kyouko.

Et tu, brutus?

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:06 pm

In post 4662, DrippingGoofball wrote:Kyouko is the only blue player on the the Wake88 wagon; CSF held back. Kyouko was bus'ing.

But on Day 2, Kyouko made sure to stay off CSF, voting MathBlade, House and Kerset instead. Never voted CSF.

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

I was just going to let the claims resolve themselves mechanically and vote a VT to stall for toDay

Pedit:lmao

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:10 pm

In post 4673, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4654, House wrote:Fun fact: Titus also wanted DotW on d1.
Counter argument:

If Titus named all three scum D1 why do they shoot A50 and not her?

Because I pointed out the watcher crumbs

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:14 pm

In post 4686, House wrote:VOTE: Almost50

Math jailed A50 last Night I thought? That clears him I think

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:16 pm

In post 4693, House wrote:
In post 4692, Titus wrote:Let's just do Dragon.

House can you give an exact roleclaim?
If I get banned, it's your fault.

compulsive Jack-Of-All-Trades {neighborizer, complex rolecop, lazy roleblock}.

Okay if you're compulsive Titus's role is just town here

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:18 pm

In post 4713, House wrote:Who posted the list of claims, earlier?

I posted one shortly after you called massclaim, only change to it should be that Kerset confirmed herself vt

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 4725, DrippingGoofball wrote:DotW on CSF, Sitting On The Fence, Extreme Edition:

Spoiler:
In post 655, Dragon of the West wrote:Okay so I just finished reading through everything...I'm coming to the conclusion that D1s really frustrate me. Quick reads:

A50 - null; not enough content to read. Anyone familiar with A50's town vs scum play? I only played one game with them where they were scum and just seemed disengaged most of the time, similar to here so far.
Andre - townlean; not much content but what was there, I liked for town. reminds me of 233

CSF - mostly null; tone has seemed fine

DGB - townlean; I'm a little confused about how the whole hood thing played out but the way DGB came clean about the 'gambit' and explained the hood interactions in detail struck me as town-ish. Although, I disagree that claimed masons get targeted by scum for NK. the games I've seen so far the claimed masons/neighbors/mason-lites just get kept alive as weak PRs that people get paranoid about
Gamma - null to townlean; this seems like inquisitive town!Gamma for the most part. Seems to be a little more in the driver's seat here from other games I've played with them, but idk if that's AI
House - not sure what to make of this slot. maybe scumlean? some posts seem like they're acting from an informed position or agenda-y, but other ones also strike me as engaged and hunting. not sure if that's just busy-work, though
Kerset - null, no content
MathBlade - scumlean; I think if one of DGB or MathBlade is scum, it's this slot. Paranoia about getting investigated, "botching" the crumb/claim and then using that to cast suspicion on DGB seemed off and kinda scummy. I think they backtracked their DGB read when they realized it might get them killed either before DGB or right after
Nero - honestly, Nero is a mystery to me. Every game he seems to have a tinfoil paranoia hat on that makes no sense to me and sounds like he's just slinging conspiracy theories around and I get paranoid he's scum and then he ends up being town and his theories end up being right. I don't think I'll be on board for a D1 Nero lim
Kyo - null to townlean; thought process and questions seem like town!Kyo
Titus - townlean; much more engaged and aggressive early compared to what I saw in 233 where they were scum. They said they play very different game to game so again not sure if AI but tone strikes me as town
Wake - null, no content

VOTE: MathBlade
Hopefully I'll have more time to be around for discussion tomorrow

In post 1386, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 995, House wrote:Gamma and CSF aren't scum together.
I agree with this because I think the Gamma/Ythan slot is town but why do you think they specifically couldn't be scum together?

In post 3317, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 3197, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1427, Dwlee99 wrote:
Vote Count 1.18
Dragon of the West (E-2)
- Titus, Cat Scratch Fever, Almost50, House, MathBlade

Titus (2)
- ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)
- Ythan

Ythan (1)
- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)
- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)
- Kerset

House (1)
- Dragon of the West

Not voting (1)
: DrippingGoofball

It takes
7
votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:
House and Titus are VLA through the 20th of September.

Deadline
: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)
Phone forgot this but the point stands.

I see zero reason for CSF to move from DoTW to Wake if scum.

I'm kind of torn on CSF's slot. I disagree that they're cleared through VCA, but some of their posting has seemed townie to me. Hopping of the Wake wagon was really bad...but it was almost so bad I feel like scum wouldn't have done it because it looks so terrible.

For this post though, scum could have moved off my wagon because they didn't want to look bad by being on a wagon that flips town

In post 3333, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 3297, Nero Cain wrote:Also, I feel a bit like House is just aimless and I'm not sure if that's really a town mindsight. Can I get some opinions on House not using his rolecop ability last night?

In post 3294, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 3250, Dwlee99 wrote:
Vote Count 2.11
Cat Scratch Fever (E-2)
- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset (1)
- Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1)
- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)
- Dragon of the West

Not voting (4)
: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes
7
votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:
ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline
: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)
yeow at me being the top wagon with two votes from people who don't really think I'm scum afaict?

I probably should've declared a v/la for the weekend, but as there's basically no hope of me absorbing the last 20 pages, and admittedly I don't look great by VCA, I'm just going to claim Town [redacted] Backup Vig. Incidentally, I think I'd make for a good rolecop target tonight, and if House survives and can name my entire role, we'll basically have two locktowns because there's already a flipped scum role cop and I don't think scum would be given two role cops.

Hmmm...not sure what to make of this claim. I don't feel too great about relying on House to rolecop because I really think he's scum and you could both be scum together making it meaningless. Especially because I think we should be limming House today. If House flips red this ask to be role copped to create conftowns would look kinda bad for CSF.

I'm not super interested in limming a CSF slot I don't feel strongly about that's claiming a vig role. I think the claim should work itself out mechanically

In post 4420, Dragon of the West wrote:So if we're talking about eliminating in the VTs and no one is claiming vig, CSF is the obvious choice. Backup vig is a weird, out of place claim; if there's no vig, CSF has no utility; if town!Math, CSF can't even be protected despite being useless. At best, CSF is useless town who hasn't really helped solve anyways. At worst, they're scum. I prefer this over a no lim and being in the same place tomorrow

VOTE: CSF

I believe that's L-1

Ooh 655 DotW has 2 flipped scum as nulls and they're the shortest/simplest reads on his list

I think I've clowned on this game long enough VOTE: DotW

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:31 pm

In post 4730, House wrote:I'm thinking:

Lim DotW
Jail Kyo if town flip

Pray for no nk

If nk, lim Andres

I'm down for lim DotW, jail me. House I think you neighborize Math so he can feed you his targets in case scum decide to no kill to frame me for 1 mislim before killing Math. Once the hood is established I think Math's JK decisions should be private and fed to you via hood. Actually Math can feed DGB his jails anyways so imo I think lim DotW, math is not leashed anywhere and he chooses someone to jail for himself. He tells DGB who he jailed in case he dies, so that DGB can clear Math's target in the event of his death

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:32 pm

Oh yeah that is a fair read u right

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:51 pm

In post 4749, House wrote:CSF probably speculated vig BECAUSE bp.

Yeah, red herring for scum, like I was saying

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:51 pm

A green herring?

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:56 pm

In post 4757, House wrote:
In post 4756, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I'm confused now because my impression was that House is claiming now that he is a full rolecop who targeted DGB N1, saw it was vanilla, and decided to say that was his roleblock.
This is not a real thought.

DGB was a known neighbor d1.

Nah you're right I mistyped- but my thought was rushed and incorrect anyways. I was thinking, as a town rolecop that is gambiting as a JOAT, it might be smart to claim you blocked someone that was incapable of going anywhere based on their role. You could rescind later and claim the truth when you have more results, and if you ever die it would become clear that you couldn't have actually roleblocked. Anyways I'm caught up now and see what really went down.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:58 pm

In post 4783, Nero Cain wrote:SSBM, why does Houses role being compulsive make Titus' role town?

He cant avoid creating further false guilties for the TA because of his Neighborizer

ssbm_Kyouko · Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:06 pm

In post 4789, Nero Cain wrote:rather vote a pr than a vt

Yeah this. DGB has utility as the speaker for Math's target if Math dies. House will have that utility soon as well so if DGB is a scum neighbor it will not be able to lie about Math's target. I came into toDay and saw the flip and was thinking I'd be sheeping you most likely but I think Titus's plan is better. Lim PRs, jail VTs.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:30 pm

In post 4794, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4791, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 4783, Nero Cain wrote:SSBM, why does Houses role being compulsive make Titus' role town?
He cant avoid creating further false guilties for the TA because of his Neighborizer
he can? The way I'm reading it is that he has 3 shots that he has to use the first 3 nights. but you are making it sound like he can use those shots over and over again.

I dont mean to make it sound that way. What I meant by further false guilties is that we already have Neighbors and a Mailman. Neighborizer is further ways for TA to get "can communicate", and House has to use it eventually.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:35 pm

UNVOTE: I'll probably end up sheeping toDay

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:58 am

In post 4835, MathBlade wrote:When you make it about Nero, yeah.

I have a dumb (read smart) idea.

Titus should use her TA check on an unlikely to be killed player.

If she gets a result then there is a traitor.

If she doesn’t then no traitor confirmed.

Groupscum cant communicate with traitor so whether we have 3 groupscum or 3 groupscum plus a traitor, the groupscum will not be able to communicate (unless they are a neighbor or mailman)

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:16 am

In post 4838, MathBlade wrote:It’s not about the usefulness of whether the person can communicate or not. That’s why DoTW is perfect.

It’s that she gets it at all being lazy.

“A Lazy player or power role loses their ability when there is only one anti-town player remaining.“

From the wiki. Traitors are anti town therefore if a traitor exists Titus gets a result. If she doesn’t get a result traitor doesn’t exist or it’s her.

I think she is novice, not lazy? House's Roleblock was Lazy

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:31 pm

In post 4864, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4863, House wrote:
In post 4862, Nero Cain wrote:Why did you stop suspecting DOTW, House? Are you in the "the last scum is a goon" camp?
I've been wanting Andres for a while.
If you think the last scum is a goon fakeclaiming a PR, you have to eliminate DotW as a suspect because his role is confirmed.
Unless it’s DoTW + Kyo.

Has anyone gotten a message today?

Yes I am paranoid but ugh

A50 got one

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:03 pm

Sekrit plan

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:17 pm

I think he's just been V/LA tbf. Happy scumday btw

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 am

In post 4917, Almost50 wrote:Wake

Heh.

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:34 am

VOTE: DotW

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:28 am

Time to check myself

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:37 am

sure VOTE: House

Spoiler:

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:46 am

Spoiler: No mods allowed

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:26 pm

In post 4975, MathBlade wrote:I don’t think a scum player makes a fake claim with a wildcard house assuming house is town though

I just don’t buy it when playing solo.

It feels to me like either Titus or House, as scum, would be able to play/pocket the other one if one is town and one is scum.

They seem to know each other well and oftentimes when that happens the scum can take some advantage of the predisposition of the town one to

want

subconsciously to work with someone they like, and more easily get TRed by them.

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:27 pm

In post 4986, Nero Cain wrote:the House

*removes sunglasses*

doesn't always win

VOTE: house

This would have been a good hammer

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:32 pm

Nice a pagetop hammer

ssbm_Kyouko · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:32 pm

1 step closer to Titus

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:36 am

So here's the problem - if Math and Kerset are both town, and the last scum is either a goon faking a PR or is an actual PR like Titus/DotW, they can abuse no kills to direct the town through 3 straight mislims to their victory.

In this situation:
8 players now. Lim Kerset or myself (town flip)
7 Players. Scum No kills while Math JKs the other of Kerset or myself.
7 Players toMorrow. Lim the other one of us (town flip)
6 players in the Night. No kill
We lim Math because after 3 nights of No kill his claim looks highly suspicious

I think we lim him now to lock Andres in as town, we have 2 conftown in Andres/Nero if Math is town. Scum can only kill 1, we go into 6 player MELO with 1 conftown so it's like 5P but we have an insurance policy of conftown wielding the hammer so it's harder for scum to quickhammer.

VOTE: Math

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:40 am

Oh yeah were down to 1 scum in this game I forgot UNVOTE:

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:40 am

Wake and CSF were scum here...

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:44 am

In post 5036, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So here's the problem - if Math and Kerset are both town, and the last scum is either a goon faking a PR or is an actual PR like Titus/DotW, they can abuse no kills to direct the town through 3 straight mislims to their victory.

In this situation:
8 players now. Lim Kerset or myself (town flip)
7 Players. Scum No kills while Math JKs the other of Kerset or myself.
7 Players toMorrow. Lim the other one of us (town flip)
6 players in the Night. No kill
We lim Math because after 3 nights of No kill his claim looks highly suspicious

I think we lim him now to lock Andres in as town, we have 2 conftown in Andres/Nero if Math is town. Scum can only kill 1, we go into 6 player MELO with 1 conftown so it's like 5P but we have an insurance policy of conftown wielding the hammer so it's harder for scum to quickhammer.

VOTE: Math

So I rescind all this, I thought we were at 2 scum

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:02 am

I dont think Kerset and I are correct mechanically. Math can confirm us if he is town, and if he is scum he has to claim he confirmed us each night in order to maintain his cover. So we dont kill him and we dont kill Kerset or I, and Math has to keep confirming us. I think he just tells DGB his targets rather than publicizing it so if either of us are scum we cant try to no kill to frame the other. Nero and Andre's are conf, Kerset and I are confirmable, DGB is useable for Math's targets in the case Math ever dies. So we kill DotW/Titus during the day, let Math do his Jailkeeper investigations, if he clears all the VTs he just gets POEd I think.

Let's try this again with the correct #of scum left

8 alive, 1 scum. Lim Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, presumably Nero or Andres, Math clears either me or Kerset
6 alive, we lim the other of Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, one of the cleared VTs
4 alive, we have Math, 2 cleared VTs, and DGB. Scum either in Math or DGB.

Scum can diverge and kill Math early and we still have some confirmed VTs.

The only way we can go wrong right now is specifically if Math is scum AND we lim in the VTs. Lim claimed PRs, if they're town, we confirm their power and can reassess how balanced a simple JK is in the setup later.

Idc which, DotW or Titus

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:03 am

Also if Math ever jails an already confirmed town we lim him

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:03 am

Just force him to keep confirming VTs

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:35 am

Yeah I forgot this game's gamestate

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:10 am

No result is as good as guilty in that situation

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:45 am

In post 5092, Titus wrote:I still don't get the point of a code. No one doubts DotW is a mailman. There's no unclaimed to keep hidden.

It allows Math to crumb targets via the code without having to rely on DGB's honesty in the event of Math's death. I think right now only Math and DotW know the code - I was worried about, what if Math dies, DotW can say the numbers mean anything he wants, but as long as he keeps sending the code to someone new every night until Math dies (at which point the code is kinda useless), it's fine. If he doesn't send the code to someone new one night and Math dies it gets sus.

I'm wary of DotW putting stock in my memory lapse as a townslip because I feel like scum are more likely to take that at face value. But idk if holistically he seems scummy. I feel like if I don't step up and solve I just never die and I stay somewhat lost in this game. I think the mech spec is getting to me here a bit too much and I've long since lost sight of the forest. Do we actually have cases on anyone at this point or is it mostly "there's 5 PRs, we should lim in the PRs" vs "there's 6 PRs, we should lim in the VTs"?

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:48 am

Briefly skimming the normal archive - it's uncommon, but certainly not rare, to see 13p games with 4 VTs. When this happens, the roles are generally complicated in terms of having many modifiers, usually gating modifiers, like non-consecutive, novice, odd/even-night, etc. From the claimed and flipped roles, we have a LOT of GATED roles, so I actually think it makes the most sense for us to be in a 4VT game. That gates town!Math even harder.

VOTE: Kerset

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:52 am

Actually Nero I saw that post by Math about a Vig shooting CSF. My Kerset vote hinges on you actually being a VT. If you claim gated vig that shot at CSF, I will POE through PRs instead of Kerset, as that is the correct play. I'm not going to blindly assume that the reason you're pushing PR claims is that you know there is actually 1 less VT (you) than currently claimed.

UNVOTE:

Unvoting until Nero confirms one way or the other

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:07 am

Math, have you already crumbed to DGB? If not, please wait to do so until my response

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:43 am

Oh okay so Math, Dragon already outed who you were on the list with his EoD comments about "should I message 5" "actually 5 was supposed to be 3" - SO:

Instead of crumbing you and your target in a 2 digit number, like 13, or 34, instead you need to string together 2 digits that represent a claimed PR and a claimed VT. Then DotW would know your target was the claimed VT

ssbm_Kyouko · Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:50 am

Like suppose I'm 2 and Titus is 4 - if you were jailing me, 24 or 42 would be your crumb

Pedit: I guess you can do that, my suggestion is geared towards if we lim claimed PR today. If we lim in me and Kerset, it's assumed you'll jail the other one

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:05 am

VOTE: Kerset

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:41 am

In post 5156, Nero Cain wrote:its prob just kerset and if not one of DOTW/Titus

VOTE: kerset

This, also that's E-1

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:45 am

VOTE: Titus

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:12 pm

Yeah idk what the deal with the list was but even if you did or didnt send it to someone in particular (2) that doesnt make you town or scum I dont think.

I dont really get what Math is waiting for so I'm just not waiting.

ssbm_Kyouko · Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:15 pm

Like Math makes 0 fucking sense in this game and when he was scum he mostly made sense so like... if he's scum here it's good beats and I'll learn for next time but I just dont think so.

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:36 am

I just feel like Titus probably made up her role after I said I have reason to believe a TA exists. If she didn't and is town though, my guess is the neighbors are her false guilties and the Mailman is her true scum guilty who has an alibi via his role.

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:25 am

I dont feel like rereading and making walls. I just finished isekai uPick in a similar position to how I finished our mini together. It was down to town!me or scum!Cabd and I didn't wall out like I did in our mini when it was town!me vs scum!you.

ssbm_Kyouko · Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:25 am

It's also not elo

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:27 am

VOTE: DotW
Sheep

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:24 am

Titus appears to have TAed me 2 nights in a row
:thinking_emoji:

ssbm_Kyouko · Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:32 am

In post 4500, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Spoiler: Dwlee watching us right now as we speculate on this wild-ass setup

In post 5377, Dwlee99 wrote:Hope y'all enjoyed the game. I was impressed by the way DotW managed to use the mailman to pocket people, even if it was only temporarily. Strong town play here as well, so this was a very interesting watch.

Thanks for hosting, my motivation for this one died a little after a long V/LA, I think scum played pretty well but unfortunately (for them) the town power cornered them in what looked to be an inescapable POE.